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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: ArchM on September 13, 2006, 10:50:39 PM
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I have been wanting to get an Amiga 1200 for awhile now, and I just got a little money back from school that I was going to use for it, and right then this auction came up.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Amiga-CD32-SX-1-fully-loaded-and-28-Games-A-Conditio_W0QQitemZ200026635443QQihZ010QQcategoryZ4598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
In case the link doesn't work, it was for a CD32 + SX-1 (which is the setup I REALLY wanted but figured would never come my way). It also comes with an external 3.5, 4Mb of added memory, and an IDE Hard drive.
The buy it now was set at $450, and since I NEVER see SX-1's for sale, I couldn't resist and I went for it.
What do you guys think? I don't really care if I overpaid, I just don't want to get it home and find out I misunderstood and can't actually play old Amiga games on this setup.
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That's fairly steep for such a setup, but you will be able to play games on it. Consider upgrading to 8MB to give WHDLoad (http://www.whdload.de) a little more room to play with.
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If you really wanted it, then that's all that matters.
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vesalia (http://www.vesalia.de/) sales cd32 for $190.57 and amigakit (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/shopping_cart.php?osCsid=a64a0267a24031d66d4047139badf2a4) an ntsc a1200 plus a small hd for $156.86 :roll:
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Yes. And for all the games included I would say a fair price.
I have about the same config. CD32 + SX-1 + 8MB fastmem + 3.5 from CDTV (black) + A1000keyboard
The only dislike is the really lousy connection between the CD32 and the SX-1. No srew to fix the sx-1 to the cd32. So be careful while olaying games. don't shake the table or hit it, as the sx-1 could lose connection.
And I suggest that you look for a better PSU as the original CD32-PSU is a liite bit weak. If you have strange failures while coping from/to HD from/to Floppy then it is time for a better PSU.
Search for the net to get the DEMO-CD C= made for dealers. It has some nice bonus material, as a complete WB3.1 on it. V1.1 even has a complete fully working Pinball game instead of the demo version. V2.0 has more (and updated) OS-Software.
Some games won't run if the SX-1 is connected as they can't believe that a CD32 has fastmem.
(Sorry for some crude costructed phrases. My nativ language is swiss-german)
Markus
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dude you paid way to much. Its a nice rig and all, I'm sure you will enjoy and you got it all as one purcase, but in the future I would let some of those auction go as that just not worth is IMO.
(sx-1 pop up all the time.... it's the sx-32 (i think) that is actualy rare)
patience is a virtue on ebay... as all we know
"haste makes waste"
I have overpaid before, I like the stuff I got so.. lesson learned.
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Much like being the first one to buy the new car or other toy,an early buyer pays more but gets to use it longer.
If our intrepid buyer had waited he might get a better deal but would definety lose the enjoyment during that time.
Sometimes one gets lucky as the fellow in our C= club who found a 1200 in the Cicinnati Goodwill thrift store for $12! Does that mean A1200 are all worth only $12? I think not,and if I insisted that was the limit I would pay it would be a long time before a 1200 made its way to my desk.
The same item can have different value to different people depending on how much they each use it.It is probably best not to second-guess oneself but just get on with life.
Believe it when I tell you that I have more regrets over the things I didn't do than those things I did and didn't turn out so well.
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Yeah, I figured that I hadn't seen but one SX-1 in about 2ish months, and I just couldn't pass up the chance to be playing Under a Steel Sky from my couch. (That WILL be the first game I get). I really just wanted to make sure that everything in the auction will suffice to get me playing original Amiga games.
Oh yeah, and I'm sorry I forgot, but there is also 24 games with the auction, lol! Can you tell where my emphasis was for making the purchase? I didn't even read the list of the games that came with it, I wonder if there are any good ones.....
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next time have some patience if he can t sell at $450 he will relist for less.... You have gone this long with out the thing. what's another week. Help us keep the prices under controll, please donlt over pay if you can help it.
I bet you could have had this setup for $300. Did you try to make an offer?
enjoy!
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adolescent wrote:
If you really wanted it, then that's all that matters.
Agreed... and look at it this way, what will it be worth in ten years? Likely much more.
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Not too bad a setup. Although, I'm wondering why you bid the price up $300??
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or much less, hard to say what this stuff is "worth"
I hope it will be worth more as I have tons of it, but I kinda doubt it... as much as I love these old things I just don't see it turning mainstream anytime... but we can alwasy hope!
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I have noticed the 8 bit C= prices have fallen on eBay as the diehards have pretty much acquired their needs and family pressures mount to get rid of that old junk!
I might get back half what I spent for a 1581 drive,and shipping costs are up significantly.
Will continue to watch for bargains at hamfests,it has been years since any C= or Amiga stuff appeared in the area's edition of Trading Post,also rare at yard sales.
Did acquire a TI-994A for a dollar in its box.But nothing else in the box,no docs,no power supply,no cartridges,just space.
Not basing my retirement on recouping "investment" in collectables?
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The big reason I didn't just try to bid higher, was because I didn't want anybody ELSE to use the Buy It Now option. I was considering bidding 400, and then with the way Ebay worked, I would only have to pay as much of that 400 as the next highest bidder pushed me to. But again, there would have been a chance that somebody else could have come along and bought it out, then I would be stuck playing other consoles. I figured, what the hell, I can pay a little extra for the peace of mind that comes with knowing I will be playing Amiga games for the first time in my life in less than two weeks. :P
As long as it works, and I don't end up needing anything else to get started, I am a happy camper.
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Sorry, one more question.
Can I play PAL CD32 games on this machine? What about PAL disc games?
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Hi,
yes you can.
But you paid too much :
PAL+RGB french CD32 + PSU + pad + pinball illusion + transport = 45E
SX1 + 8mb + RGB cable + external floppy = 35E
CD32FMV complete in box incl. transport = 55E
:roll:
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Did you really understand what the difference between an SX-1 and an SX-32 was when you bought it?
Did you accidentally think this was an SX-32?
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pierre wrote:
or much less, hard to say what this stuff is "worth"
I hope it will be worth more as I have tons of it, but I kinda doubt it... as much as I love these old things I just don't see it turning mainstream anytime... but we can alwasy hope!
Amiga being "mainstream" would destroy its cult appeal and make them worthless (how many free Amigas have you seen on Craigslist?). Rarity and desireability are what determine value. The desireability of Amiga equipment is static - if not increasing. And rarity is proportional to time. I think for sure Amiga prices will continue to go up. For the better, imho.
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yeah I see what you mean, I think I used the wrong word.
I think over time less and less people will go to the trouble of wanting to run a classic amiga. As much as I enjoy playing with them I get the feel that is i actualy considered an uncool activity (not just by my girlfriend). It's not like restoring a classic car or anything. If course I want it to nad hope more people will get involved, just not sure it will happen based on what I see. Prices are falling on the old grear all the time. I think those that are going to get into it are already here.
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pierre wrote:
yeah I see what you mean, I think I used the wrong word.
I think over time less and less people will go to the trouble of wanting to run a classic amiga. As much as I enjoy playing with them I get the feel that is i actualy considered an uncool activity (not just by my girlfriend). It's not like restoring a classic car or anything. If course I want it to nad hope more people will get involved, just not sure it will happen based on what I see. Prices are falling on the old grear all the time. I think those that are going to get into it are already here.
You think so? I know what you're saying, but I see evidence to the contrary. I work for a big hardware manufacturer (one most people have heard of). My co-workers at first thought I was a out of my mind when I told them I had a collection of interesting vintage "PCs" from late 1980s and early 90s. Of course they were envisioning me piddling around with huge, big Mamma, clunker 286 DOS 2.0 machines. They were all astounded when I showed them my workshop; 4 new LCD flat panel monitors lit up with nice, modern looking "desktops" all in 16 or 24 bit resolution - all networked. No big, ugly CPU cases; biggest one is the Mirage. I had the 1200 hooked up to a Magma Box via PCMCIA and the Magma connected to an HP LTO Gen III (2gb NFC!!) tape drive. NFC = Native Fibre Channel. How's that for contrast? :) They couldn't believe it.. "These are Ataris and Amigas???" They had images of the Amiga 500 and the Atari 2600, and nothing else. If anything, it confirmed, in their minds, that indeed I am truly a little nuts. :) Anyway, I digress.. my point is that I think the Amiga will retain its cult status for a long time. One of my co-workers is now trolling ebay in search of an A1200 like mine. My neighbor's 16 year old son is a musician. He has been pestering me to sell him my MegaSTE. He wants because his musical idols used Ataris for MIDI work. Thats natural. I can see his way of thinking just as I can see him wanting an "old" Les Paul Guitar instead of a new one.
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hmmm. I dunno. Do see things happening. I work for a mayor animation company that you would also know. There are plenty old amiga guys here, they all left ages ago, why? New machines are BETTER and faster. They look at my collection and might, wow I had one of those and encourage me to sell it all on ebay and get a laptop! It just that unless your a bit nutts it not practical to have a bunch of amigas about the house. I think your co-worker and kid next door may be the exeption to the rule. Also how long will there intrest last once the see how much WORK it was doing it the old way! (and how much better modern software is for making music!) The "les Paul" is a wood crafted MATURE instument that will never become too old. The amiga is an ancent computer that has been improved on soo much over the years.
I hope you are right and this stuff becomes cool...
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You are absolutely right about the amount of upkeep involved in maintaining these machines, to say nothing of the money! To most of us its a hobby. Some of us take our hobbies more seriously than others, thats all. :) You said new machines are "better" and "faster". No question they're faster, but so what? I may be in the minority here but for me, I am perfectly happy with 100 million instruction cycles PER SECOND. If the trade-off for me to increase the rate at which I can compute to, say, 3 billion instruction cycles per second is a switch to one of three equally horrendous operating systems (Mac, Linux or Windows), then I'll stick with the 100 million ticks/second, TYVM. As far as "better", thats subjective. Ask 100 people to define "better", you'll get 100 different definitions. My view is that new machines are not necessarily "better". They're bug ridden, complicated, virus prone, inefficient, prone to overheat, and top heavy with software. Granted, you can do a lot more gee-wiz 'multimedia' stuff with new machines (like games and pornography). But I'm not really into those things. I think you and me grew up around the same time and we probably both got started early using Amigas. As such, we took AmigaOS for granted thinking "this is how a computer behaves; we command it, not the other way around". Eventually Windows got big, but it was an abomination, the very antithesis of what a computer IS. At least thats how I viewed it. :) To really appreciate the Amiga you kind of have to step back in time and undo a lot of the brainwashing of the last fifteen years.
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See, for me, I am interested in the style and quality of the games. The games that come out these days, I would say about 1 in 20 is worth a crap at all. With the cost of game production going through the roof, and not showing any signs of slowing down, companies won't take a chance on an inovative game idea, they have to stick with what is tried, true, and safe. There is so little real innovation in games anymore, and they all just seem to be clones of each other - the quality is dead.
I don't really care about all the new bells and whistles the graphics and sounds have these days, its all about the heart and soul of the game. For instance, "Out of this World"? BEST GAME EVER. That game had magic to it, no other way to describe it. It was perfection. Now, if somebody would give me another Out of this World, with today's technology, I would be happy. But they won't, they will give me Grand Theft Auto 6, or Tony Hawk 12.
I am buying this machine simply and solely to gain access to the Amiga's vast library of games - pure and simple. The days when a group of friends could make a game in their garage over the course of a year - that is when magic happened. *sigh* Done ranting....