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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga community support ideas => Topic started by: amiwales on September 10, 2006, 01:58:36 PM
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I've heard a lot of rummors,Wondered if there is any proof of this new hardware and others. As so much hardware has been promised over the years but only eyetech has actually made good of next generation hardware. eg Gateway's MMC, Power computing's A5000, A6000, Index Information's Boxer etc.
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Eyetechs hardware wasn't really great either I understand...
OS4 looks nice but there's no hardware and no actual prove that this may change any time soon. Hyperion hasn't confirmed any of the so called next gen hardware projects to be real either.
I'll just wait and if there ever comes OS4 hardware that I would like maybe I'll buy. It has to offer enough performance; I'm not going to pay 1000 euros for a 600MHz computer; sorry...
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Nobody know whether Amy05 is a hoax except the people "developing" it. Nobody else has seen it :roll:
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moto
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Don't know if they're a hoax or not, it's just that they haven't shown us a single reason from which we could think that they are "for real"...
If they really manage to present a non-working prototype (hooray!) at BB4 (remember, they already failed last year), that would probably change their status from "hoax" to "extremely pathetic progress".
At Big Bash 5 in 2007 we'll then see Amy'05 booting half-way into Linux accompanied by a "progress" report before saying that they finally selected the "amazing" Sil0680 as their IDE controller chip. :roll:
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Its just the usual "wait and see" kind of thing that goes on around here.
Just be careful not to pre-order anything :-o
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So far, Troika and their Amy 05 looks real (maybe it should be called Amy 06/07?). Mind you, hoaxes are designed to look real too. If they don't manage to produce hardware, it doesn't necessarily mean that it was all a hoax. The Boxer was real, but never made it all the way to production. I hope that they or some other group manage to get OS4 licensed PowerPC hardware out.
Hans
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Just be careful not to pre-order anything
Regardless of the whole anonymity (no names, no address) of Troika, I think there will be many (mainly on AW.net) who would even do that.
But... I would also hide my name if it's highly probable that what I do might turn out as either a hoax or failure. ;-)
@Hans
So far, Troika and their Amy 05 looks real
What makes them look "real"? Their "progress" reports? Their anonymity? Their website?
The website of this fine "corporation" (http://iwin.a500.de/enmain/enmain.html) must then look even less like a hoax?! :-P
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Too many people get worked up over new "hardware". Would it be nice? yes. But over the past x amount of years we've had how many companies buy Amiga, go bankrupt, promise x and deliver nothing? Best thing to do is read about whatever comes out and treat it as vapour until you have proof. Why would a legitimate company give a "progress report" about a "progress report" ? Just sit back and enjoy classic computing at its finest. If anything worthwhile shows up with tangible proof then lets have a look/see :) Keeps you from being disappointed.
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Just sit back and enjoy classic computing at its finest
Good idea!
(http://www.asterixatletiek.nl/2005/babbelix/smilies/gamer.gif) :popcorn:
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unless I can hold a motherboard in my hands I don't believe it exists.
Troika may very well be developing Something, but I'm not paying Any attention until there's something that works.
people have to stop investing emotion into nothing.
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unless I can hold a motherboard in my hands I don't believe it exists.
But even if it "exists", would that really help us unless it boots into OS4 and Troika managed to get a license from Amiga Inc.?
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Hans_ wrote:
... hoaxes are designed to look real too ...
Thats probraly the most convincing reason why they might not be an hoax :-D :-D
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this thread reminds me of that PPC mobo that was sold for $19.99 somewhere.. dude said he was making a PPC mobo (or solution) for the Amiga and it would run AOS4 then said he gave up for whatever reason.. I forget where I read this, its been a while.
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@Kronos
Kronos wrote:
Hans_ wrote:
... hoaxes are designed to look real too ...
Thats probraly the most convincing reason why they might not be an hoax :-D :-D
:lol: Brilliant!
@humppa
IWin's been confirmed as a hoax for a while now. Plus, I don't like the look of their website.
Troika have occasionally posted "updates" that at least sound plausible. The technical detail is correct. They also appear to have actually contacted both Amiga Inc and Hyperion.
There was another project that claimed to be in the works with a photo showing a crashed U-Boot loader. However, one of the Friedens (who is an OS4 developer) said that he had no knowledge of this project at all. That sounds more like a hoax.
Either way, I said that they LOOK real. I have seen no concrete evidence to either prove or disprove that they really are developing what they claim to be developing.
Hans
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http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=18841&forum=33&start=300&viewmode=flat&order=0
Read post 318.
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I'm not saying Troika is a hoax but again, I'm not holding my breath for any new mobo until it is demo'd, with the bugs worked out and a due date that isnt 'when its done'.
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humppa wrote:
unless I can hold a motherboard in my hands I don't believe it exists.
But even if it "exists", would that really help us unless it boots into OS4 and Troika managed to get a license from Amiga Inc.?
i'd only bother to even discuss that once there really IS a board.
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The rumor is they are supposedly getting ready to send some
boards out for betatesting. Again, nothing concrete but the
ones supposedly "in the know" claim that stuff is happening.
As always, we will just have to wait and see.
C Snyder
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@billchase
In that case, perhaps post #39 might interest you:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3284&start=20
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@billchase
"Betatesting" of Amy'05 was already proclaimed in Autumn 2005 and they made a big fuss about it (as always).
Of course, they still haven't anything ready to send.
But "getting ready to send some" sounds as if they are arriving at a first milestone.
However, it's still a joke that large parts of the community (esp. at AW) still believe that the boards will be on sale in three months.
If everything works well (fixing existing hardware faults, porting, drivers, license), the Summer of 2007 sounds much more realistic to me.
I hope that some other project (ACK or some Italians) surfaces before. I wasn't to keen on buying anything from Troika from the start (partly had to do with their way of handling things and this whole anynomity-thing behind them).
It's also clear that a certain person involved in the project is a former dubious spammer from Moobunny who used the site for posting personal rants against bbrv.
It's a pity that a community member like Ian needs to deal with those kind of shady people.
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Just wait until the Minimig II runs OS4 :)
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As always, we will just have to wait and see.
and hasnt that always been good (but often unheeded) advice ? even as far as projects like Win'95 are concerned, but especially projects from small groups. I bet Troika is no more than 10 people. give em a break! these things are hard when you're HP...
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Rogue said a couple of times on AW.net that Troika isn't a hoax. Is there any reason not to believe him?
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I have atleast seen no real proof of it existing. I wont believe it until i see a real demo of some kind.
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@Agafaster
Guess what Troika means ...
1 is hiding behind a rock (or to be precise, a bunch of rocks forming a bridge)
1 is responsible for their fantastic PR (and man, that must be a full time job)
1 is claiming to have allready invested 600 hours into the project, but with rather little result.
@_yak_
Given the "predictions" from him and/or his company over the past 10 years, is there a reason to believe him ?
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I'm happy with my 1200. It would be nice if new hardware came out and i hope the shark ppc or a simlar card is released, but I'm not going to waste much time thinking about it as I've only been disapointed in the past.
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@all
Info from Troika Amy developer Ian Stedman the night before last regarding Amy & BB4 in post #39:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3284&start=20
New information posted today on Amy concerning specs:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3293
#6
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Troika have let down the people coming to BB4 to see their prototype yet another time. They did not show anything, except for some print-outs.
Read here. (http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbthread.pl/amiga/expand/133149)
Does anybody remember their explanation from BB3? Some parts didn't arrive on time and the developer got ill?
I suppose for BB5 it will be something like "my dog ate the mainboard one our before I was planning to drive to BB5".
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Troika Amy'05 stand (http://www.3cag.net/BB4/Amy.JPG)
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Piru wrote:
Troika Amy'05 stand (http://www.3cag.net/BB4/Amy.JPG)
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Nah, we have to admit, it's quite a progress compared to last year (BB3) where they didn't even have a booth. :lol:
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Troika is going to be ripped to shreads on moobunny.
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redfox
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Piru wrote:
Troika Amy'05 stand (http://www.3cag.net/BB4/Amy.JPG)
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Oh boy...
Nothing further your honor. :lol:
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Ian stedman being involved surely adds some credibility?
Got to admit, the stand really isn't helping much in the PR department.
They could at least have put a Scala presentation together :lol:
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Nothing further your honor.
No no no, it's, "Your Honor, the People rests it's case."
Dammy
Oh wait, maybe it's really like this (http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/pinkfloyd/thetrial.html).
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Ian stedman being involved surely adds some credibility?
Does it? I am not too sure... Ian has done some smaller hardware projects and fixes, but it doesn't look like he has ever done a whole mainboard before.
Just look at those 90-degree routing of the electrical traces. How is that ever going to work?
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humppa wrote:
Ian stedman being involved surely adds some credibility?
Does it? I am not too sure... Ian has done some smaller hardware projects and fixes, but it doesn't look like he has ever done a whole mainboard before.
Just look at those 90-degree routing of the electrical traces. How is that ever going to work?
Which suggests it is technical ability, rather than honesty, which is in question. In reference to the original post - Is troika a hoax? Possibly not. Will it ever reach market? Even harder to say.