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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: amigadave on August 30, 2006, 03:28:59 AM
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Did I get anyones attention?
How many of you would be interested in purchasing an A1000 Phoenix replacement motherboard if a new production run could be arranged?
If I knew how to set this up as a Poll here on A.org, I would, but I don't.
I am not saying I have any inside information that this can be done, but if there is sufficient interest, I will make every effort to make contact and make it happen.
I will be the first to say I want one.
Who else?
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Count me in.
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yes please, I,d be in that too.
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I would buy one
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I would buy one!!
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Count me in too!
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Don`t forget to count with me as well.
Price?
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Don`t forget to count with me as well.
Price?
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@amigadave
Would that be the sort of deal where you'd just remove the custom chips from your old motherboard and put them on the Phoenix one?
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@weirdami
Yes.
Maybe if this can be organized well, you can buy chips en masse from some vendors for distribution with the new boards, but that is purely hypothetical.
So as a start for a new motherboard-run, please expect to butcher old (hopefully defunct) systems.
Have fun,
McTrinsic
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If I could get all the needed custom chips from somewhere then I'd say yeah.. But I don't have an A1000.. and if I did I'd want it in orig condition... But I WOULD like a phoenix system.. lol
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Very interested but price has to be a factor.I need to know how much before committing.Have two 1000s so I guess one could be a chip donor.
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It is my understanding that the custom chips can only come from existing systems, or dealers that have stock of old chips. I have to do some more research as to which Agnus chip will work, but I believe that the square shaped one from the A500, A2000 and A3000 is the one needed, in 1mb or 2mb (fatter and fattest Agnus) versions. I think the rest of the parts needed are still available from what has been said in that other A1000 Phoenix thread.
I have no idea what the cost will be, but the last run was reasonable, so if we can get 50 to 100 people interested, and/or a couple of the few remaining dealers, we should be able to justify the production.
Software Hut, Amiga Kit, Vesalia????
I don't think this will be worthwhile with just 10 or 15 interested buyers.
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BinoX wrote:
If I could get all the needed custom chips from somewhere then I'd say yeah.. But I don't have an A1000.. and if I did I'd want it in orig condition... But I WOULD like a phoenix system.. lol
You can find A1000 systems quite cheap and sometimes free if you look hard enough and in the right places. As for keeping it in original condition, that is great if you are a collector (like me) and want to put it on a shelf and only use it once or twice a year, but with the cost so low to find them, get two and just keep one stock.
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If some more could be made then you can put my name down as well. Depending on the price of course :-D .
Paul.
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I'll buy one!
http://phoenix.a1k.org/pix/phoenixboard.jpg
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@all
Please be aware that an A1000 is NOT a good idea as custom-chip-donor. The A500 would much better do: the phoenix needs an Gary and the A500-Agnus, NOT the A1000-"Agnus".
So you should really go for an A500. If you want to use a High-Res-Denise and an 2MB-Agnus you have to use chips from various systems anyway.
In any case: check with Andrew what is possible FIRST.
DON'T make too many plans about this project before haven an idea what it will be about.
Have fun,
McTrinsic
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you should also mention that the money would most likely be needed "upfront" with a lenghty wait time, if you are interested in creating a list of "serious" buyers.
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I would be up for it 100%
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I'm interested for sure :-D
but I'd like to hear a price before I'd commit to anything.
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You can also count me in!!
Im very interested in getting one of this board!!
Regards
Sebastian
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I have no idea what the cost will be, but the last run was reasonable,
well then post the last runs price so we can get a ballpark figure. how long will it take? who is making it? etc.
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Yesss, by all means post TODAY'S projected costs as all I could find were 2 year info.
Thanks to the member who pointed out A 500 is a better donor( and 500 is more common and cheaper).
My preference based on the 2004 prices would be the tested board minus the IC chips.
SLIGHTLY RELATED QUESTION : my recently purchased new old stock 1200 motherboard appears to have no 68020 chip on it...is a base 020 necessary if an accelerator card is attached?
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Well, duh! :-D Of course I would. Either as a user wanting a single piece, or possibly multiple for resale.
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Please read the comments by aPEX in the other thread:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=23782
It took 1.5 years to get the boards delivered.
Price for Germany including tax and shipping was about 300 Euros.
Read his comments!
You are up to a frustrating, time-consuming project costing you a lot of money.
Thinking about it... it is a typical Amiga project, then :) .
If I may make a suggestion: there is one of you interested who is from Australia. Looks like a good idea to make him the person to approach Andrew.
And if you are going to make any deals, let aPEX (again, see the other thread) know about it, he has a list of persons who didnt get a board last time.
Have fun,
McTrinsic
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I'm up for one as long as they are relatively good value for money.
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@McTrinsic,
My idea was to get enough people interested and approach Andrew to do it again. It would have to be easier the second time around for him than for someone to try and duplicate his effort as a first attempt.
I may be too optomistic, but I really think we could find between 50 to 100 interested users/buyers, and I would bet that a few dealers would be willing to commit to buying several boards for resale, if they can make a small profit from the effort.
I just hope that Andrew will agree to build the new boards if there are enough buyers to make it worth his time.
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Hi! all, as I live in oz I thought I,d drop Andrew an e-mail to sus out if he would be interested in doing another Phoenix board run Basically I said that there were a few of us who would really like one and that if we could fill an order for 50 boards or more would he be interested in doing a re-run. I never asked about price at this stage as these details can be worked out later,thats if he decides to go along with our little project, in other words this all hinges on Andrews yeh! or neh! will keep you all posted if he replies.
Cheers
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@all
Be sure you read and understand aPEX' post in the other thread.
There might be something possible, but at the time being it is not. Andrew can and will not do a production run by hinself, since he is lacking parts.
He is willing (afaik) to share layouts etc, so if you can organize something, there might be a possibility.
You would have to do a lot of work, it would not be a simple order. However - if you succeed, you would open up a new source for new Amiga-boards. Considering that there also is an accelerator card for the phoenix available commercally and the buddha ide interface, you would essentially bring new life to the classic amigas.
I have warned you, though....
Have fun,
McTrinsic
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@all
Hi! just received a reply from Andrew and this is what he said
Quote: At the moment I am not going to do another run of Phoenix boards, but this may change if there is enough interest. The only assembled boards left, about 30 or 40, are boards that have been tested and found not to work. To get these working would be correspondingly harder, take more time and therefore cost more.
To assemble blank boards would be prohibitively expensive, as all components would have to be bought and the hand assembly time enormous.
At present I have one fully functional board left over from the last lot I did for Robert and the Germans. It is available for AU$300 plus postage to anyone who is interested.
Regards,
Andrew.
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@bigmac,
Some of us might not mind spending enormous amounts of hand assembly time to "do-it-ourselves".
I have also sent you pmail.
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@all
Well at least he didn’t say it would be impossible so there is some hope at least :-D
If we’re all still really serious about trying to convince Andrew to do another run I wouldn’t mind volunteering myself to whip up a small online database to track people who’d be interested in this project. That is if there isn’t one already.
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@techie,
Go for it.
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I see a business oportunity for someone who knows how to troubleshoot and repair boards :make a deal with Andrew !
Andrew could recoup some funds from currently unsalable inventory and 15 or 20 Amigans could be made happier. I am assuming a lot heree,including some boards would have to be scapped.
Or maybe someone could get the rights to produce blank ,drilled boards and clear documentation.
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@TjLaZer
So it's the exact same as an A1000 mobobobo? I was thinking it was some smaller form factor dealybob. Is there advantage to it besides just having a less than 20 year old piece of hardware?
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@weirdami
It's not a carbon-copy replacement motherboard. It has a few extra's like a Zorro II and Video-slot. Have a look (and read) at a1k.org (http://www.a1k.org) and read all about it.
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The only assembled boards left, about 30 or 40, are boards that have been tested and found not to work
Here is a tip: sell them on eBay and use the profit for a new production run :-D
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techie wrote:
If we’re all still really serious about trying to convince Andrew to do another run I wouldn’t mind volunteering myself to whip up a small online database to track people who’d be interested in this project. That is if there isn’t one already.
Probing who is interested isn't the biggest problem, I think this thread pretty much covers it.
The biggest problem; for anyone is raising the funds to do it. Say 50 people would want one at 200AUS$, that would mean a (upfront!) payment of 10.000AUS$.
Then you have to manage to get everyone to pay in time, wait for the boards to be finished, and then comes shipping + import taxes (depending on where you are).
Anyone with a spare 10.000 AUS$ should go for it; looking at the current market the chances are very slim you would be stuck with any boards; but I for one don't have that kind of cash upfront.
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I'll buy one. At a sensible price ofcourse.
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For those unfamiliar with such a board, like me, what is it and what does it offer?
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@PJHUTCH
As can be read on amiga-hardware.com (http://www.amiga-hardware.com/) its a replacement motherboard for Amiga 1000s. To get it up and running you needed the original chips from the Amiga and put it on the board.
As stated before, its not a carbon-copy of the A1000 originals motherboard, it comes with a few extras:
* Kickstart ROM socket for 1.3 or 2.04 kickstart (not sure about 3.1).
* 1 ZorroII slot
* 1 OCS/ECS videoslot
* Possibility to use ECS chipset
* Optional SCSI
* 1 or 2 MB Chip RAM
* Battery backed up clock
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@Tahoe
It may not be the biggest problem but at least it's one I can help with :-)
@All
Database is pretty much done just working on a layout here, should have it up and running in the next couple days but NO guarantees :-)
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techie wrote:
@Tahoe
It may not be the biggest problem but at least it's one I can help with :-)
Hey, count me in! :crazy:
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I would be into this. I have 2 A1000s and I'm big fan of this original breakthrough machine.
John A
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@All
Hi Everyone!
Well it took a little longer than expected but the new database is now online and ready to go. If you wish to register your interest simply click on the link below and follow the instructions listed in the 'Purpose' section.
Now before you go clicking away here are a quick couple of notes:
-First, I have to apologize but I was NOT able to make this site Amiga Browser compatible *embarrassed*
Now before you go stringing me up by my toenails and forcing me to watch episodes of Star Trek: Enterprise until my brain implodes please understand that it would have taken me significantly longer to make a layout that works on all Amiga browsers then it did for me to create a layout in xhtml 1.1 and CSS.
-Second, I did my best to bug test the site before putting it online but as this was a side project I can not guarantee that I squished all of them. If you do find any bugs PLEASE let me know about them through the provided contact address and I will attempt to fix them ASAP.
- Third, This site is by no means finalized so if there is anything you would like me to change or add just give me a shout and I'll try and accommodate :-)
Guess that's about it then, happy registering :-D
Register Here (http://www.techsupportcomics.com/phoenix)
Edit: Just a quick reminder, once you register you must activate your account to be counted.