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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Tutorials => Topic started by: Heinz on August 23, 2006, 10:36:06 AM
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Hello, all.
I wrote a step by step tutorial about how to install Aros on a harddisk.
The Tutorial is in german, but every step is documented with a screenshot, so maybe it helps someone.
http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/WinAros.php
http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/WinAros/Aros_HD_Installation.pdf
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Is there a way to get it to use SFS natively yet?
The OS will always be slow if it has to rely on FFS. Well, file access and directory browsing anyway.
I guess the quick solution, since memory isn't an issue with typical AROS boxes, is to make all commands memory resident...but that doesn't help opening drawers (yes, I didn't say folders!). However, making all commands memory resident would slow down the bootup process, I imagine.
Also, an english translation would go a long way. Thanks.
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Thanks, Heinz.
Sehr nett von Ihnen.
Hope that's right...
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lou_dias wrote:
Is there a way to get it to use SFS natively yet?
As far as I know, it's not (yet).
The Problem is, that GRUB (the Bootloader) is not able to boot from a SFS Partition. I am sure this will be fixed someday.
The OS will always be slow if it has to rely on FFS. Well, file access and directory browsing anyway.
SFS would be a lot faster, but FFS is not painfully slow on real Hardware.
I guess the quick solution, since memory isn't an issue with typical AROS boxes, is to make all commands memory resident...but that doesn't help opening drawers (yes, I didn't say folders!). However, making all commands memory resident would slow down the bootup process, I imagine.
Good Idea!
Also, an english translation would go a long way. Thanks.
I will make a translation when I have the time
@all
Is there any interest in a english translation aside from lou_dias ?
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mgerics wrote:
Thanks, Heinz.
Sehr nett von Ihnen.
Hope that's right...
That is perfectly right. :-)
But when you use the first name,
it is more usual to replace "Ihnen" with "dir".
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Heinz wrote:
lou_dias wrote:
Is there a way to get it to use SFS natively yet?
As far as I know, it's not (yet).
The Problem is, that GRUB (the Bootloader) is not able to boot from a SFS Partition. I am sure this will be fixed someday.
As a workaround, couldn't you have a small FFS boot partition and then a large SFS partition which contains the OS? The startup-sequence on the FFS partition transfers all of the default assigns (C:, S:, LIBS:.....) over to the corresponding directories on the SFS drive and then executes the startup-sequence from the SFS partition.
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moto
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motorollin wrote:
As a workaround, couldn't you have a small FFS boot partition and then a large SFS partition which contains the OS? The startup-sequence on the FFS partition transfers all of the default assigns (C:, S:, LIBS:.....) over to the corresponding directories on the SFS drive and then executes the startup-sequence from the SFS partition.
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moto
I dont know.
You should ask that at aros-exec.org
I am sure one of the developer could explain that.
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I don't use AROS myself. It was just a suggestion :-) Maybe somebody who is using AROS can suggest this to the developers.
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moto
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Is there anyone that could translate this fine work?
I have been interested in trying AROS simply because it works on x86 and my next fav OS FreeBSD.
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@Heinz,
I'd like to see an english version of this as well. I've been thinking of setting up Aros on a spare drive in my x86 box.
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Heinz wrote:
SFS would be a lot faster, but FFS is not painfully slow on real Hardware.
Well, I haven't used real hardware since '98. What wasn't painfully slow then on real hardware will kill you today. People consider an OS as a kernal, but really the key word is "System". That system consists of a kernal, a user-interface and a FILE SYSYTEM. If anyone of those 3 things is cumbersome or bottle-necked, the "system" is not user-friendly or particularly useful.
Remember, the floppy disk file system actually reads an entire track into memory at once then returns the requested sector to the "application", iirc. Clearly, alot of thought was not put into the original design of the file systems on the Amiga. I guess they felt anything was a step up from the Commodore 1541 and the tape drives, lol...!
I know even accessing Windows folders in WinUAE is painfully slow. I have a media folder with ~900 files in it. I won't even dare open that drawer!
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Ok.
I made a quick Translation.
Certainly not my best english but should be understandable.
http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/
http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/WinAros/Aros_HD_Install_English.pdf
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thanks... look interesting I think I will try this. BTW does aros run all old amiga software?
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@pierre
No, there is no emulation in AROS. Software has to be written for AROS for it to run. I think there is an AROS version of UAE which might let you run some of your older software under AROS.
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moto
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No. It was never meant to.
Aros is sourcecode compatible. That means, that you can compile Amiga Programs without changes for it.
You can find a lot of those programs and games on Aros-Archives or Aros-Max.
http://www.aros-max.co.uk/
http://archives.aros-exec.org/
It is only binary compatible when you run it on 68k Machines.
Or you can use E-UAE that comes with Aros.
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Again I say:
Sehr nett von dir
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Great work Heinz :).
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hi all,
i may have missed it but where is the feature set of aros? i mean what elements does it have. wordprocessor or sequencer? etc. or maybe i'm being a bit opimistic in these early stages? thanks.
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I agree with monami... Someone should write out a complete list of things currently completed or at least functioning in AROS. Many moons ago there was a very well done list, complete with a graphical representation of "completeness" that disappeared. I'd certainly like to see something like that again.
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i've got stuck at the first hurdle. i've made my disk etc it boots i pick vga mode, as i get nothing else but a black screen otherwise. and then i get a request for a bootable disk and the message "retrying in 5 seconds." which is an endless loop... and for some reason it's looking for a disk in the floppy drive. (as it keeps accessing the floppy.) i think i'll go try it on my other pc...
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Try and dissabling the floppy in the Bios and boot again.
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i got it going on my other pc! i like the look of it and i think this is the way to go for me. (with no super expensive hardware...) i like the feel of an amiga style os on a newer computer. i also like the way the os is sponsored by whoever pays for the work they want to see done.
how is the software for it going to be done? are the aros team expecting other software writers to play along in a traditional style? or are they going to be writing apps themselves? i want to see a music sequencer... thanks.