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Title: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: redrumloa on August 20, 2006, 06:19:40 PM
Heck, it looks fairly sharp, but even without the "As-Is" comment $2,000 is a wee bit of a stretch :roflmao:

Linky (http://cgi.ebay.com/Commodore-64-1541-II-1581-tape-JiffyDOS-ALL-MINT_W0QQitemZ320018006192QQihZ011QQcategoryZ74945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: spihunter on August 20, 2006, 06:27:28 PM
Not quite as wacky but here (http://cgi.ebay.com/Amiga-2000-C-68060-with-64-meg-ram-1-meg-of-chip_W0QQitemZ170020221606QQihZ007QQcategoryZ4598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) is another one. :roll:
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: Plaz on August 20, 2006, 06:42:01 PM
Well to be fair, the starting bid is only $500. And hey, they have JiffyDos. That make all the difference! :-P

Plaz
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: Plaz on August 20, 2006, 06:44:17 PM
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spihunter wrote:
Not quite as wacky but here (http://cgi.ebay.com/Amiga-2000-C-68060-with-64-meg-ram-1-meg-of-chip_W0QQitemZ170020221606QQihZ007QQcategoryZ4598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) is another one. :roll:



Must be the fact it has an 060 card. Maybe you can get them to include the digital keyboard in the background too for that price.

Plaz
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: countzero on August 20, 2006, 06:49:46 PM
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Plaz wrote:
Well to be fair, the starting bid is only $500. And hey, they have JiffyDos. That make all the difference! :-P

Plaz


hey, I'll make you a favor and sell my jiffyDos roms for 450$. deal ?  :lol:  (as-is)
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: redrumloa on August 20, 2006, 07:07:54 PM
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spihunter wrote:
Not quite as wacky but here (http://cgi.ebay.com/Amiga-2000-C-68060-with-64-meg-ram-1-meg-of-chip_W0QQitemZ170020221606QQihZ007QQcategoryZ4598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) is another one. :roll:


Yeah that's a bit high but at least it has an 060 card, which for the 2000 is pretty rare.

No way I'd pay that  :-P
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: irishmike on August 20, 2006, 08:33:43 PM
Wow:

I saw a very nice C-64 in my local Thrift store (wasn't very yellowed, with all docs and such for $25.

This is 4 months back, so not sure if it is still there or not, but if I can turn around and sell them for that kind of cash, maybe I will go buy it :-D

Personally, I have no real interest in the C-64s, but they were pretty cool at the time :-)

I wish those sellers good luck.

I have stopped using E-Bay permanently as a seller or a buyer because I feel that there are too many people out to take other people.  (Not saying that these sellers are in that category, because the rule of capitalism is "What the market will bear".)   But I certainly even offer up the starting bid when I seem to be able to find rather nice looking and functioning C-64s all over the place for $5 -$20.

Anyhow, maybe someone feels for their 64 like many of us feel for our Amiga and may be nostalgic enough to spend the money :-)


Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: KThunder on August 20, 2006, 08:38:49 PM
that a2000 is nice but the $500 should be a buy it now price with maybe a $100 starting bid. see then i would have already put a bid on it.
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: recidivist on August 21, 2006, 03:17:33 AM
 I got a C128 and disk drive for $35 in the boxes in a Cinncinnati Ohio thrift store in the 90s.(still have it.)
And 8 C64s at another one for 50 cents each.
Had so much C= stuff that I got rid of most of the boxes and packing to make room in the house;then found out people on eBay would pay double for original boxes!

 C= should have made JiffyDos standard and sold even more C64s.
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: Lando on August 21, 2006, 03:31:46 AM
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I saw a very nice C-64 in my local Thrift store (wasn't very yellowed, with all docs and such for $25.

This is 4 months back, so not sure if it is still there or not, but if I can turn around and sell them for that kind of cash, maybe I will go buy it


:-)

I am guessing that this is one of those joke auctions that pop up on eBay from time to time (like people trying to sell an old sock for $100) - I doubt he actually expects someone to pay 2 grand for a $5 computer.
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: beller on August 21, 2006, 04:35:45 AM
Hmmm...I'd sell the 64C sitting next to me, with the 1084, CMD FD-2000, 1541-II, and 1571 for $500 without a problem  Heck, for $2K I'd deliver it!

Bob
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: motrucker on August 21, 2006, 05:05:33 AM
Greed is a funny thing, aint it?
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: TjLaZer on August 21, 2006, 07:41:40 AM
To be fair, that C64 lot has some high ticket items. the 1581 alone is worth almost $100 !  And the rest is mint in box, so $500  is about right for a true collector.

The A2000 also is loaded, and the 060 card alone is worth ~$350 or more, figure $100 for the A2000, etc thats about right.  Lets not forget that.  People want Commodore stuff for nothing these days...  sheesh  ;)
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: c64_d0c on August 21, 2006, 10:11:09 AM
i agree with TjLaZer, its nothing wrong with the prices... that c64 stuff is mint and it got that 1581, the a2000 got a 060... some of the people here must stop compare with todays pc prices, and remmember a mint c64 with mint stuff and a a2000 060 dont grow on trees anymore..
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Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: justthatgood on August 21, 2006, 02:10:30 PM
I use my 1581 as a bookend (yeah I got all my c64's taken away from me). Didnt now it was that special.
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: redrumloa on August 21, 2006, 02:16:25 PM
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justthatgood wrote:
I use my 1581 as a bookend (yeah I got all my c64's taken away from me). Didnt now it was that special.


I'll give you $40 for the 1581 if it works and has a PS.

The 1581 used to get $200 on eBay a few years ago, nowadays it still sometimes gets $100. I got one recently for ~$50 on eBay.
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: spihunter on August 21, 2006, 02:47:21 PM
Oh come on you guys!. If you dont think $2000/$1000 is to high for these items then you must be the ones crazy enough to pay those prices.

I've got a mint Commodore Plus4 that I'll let go for $800

Any takers.
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: KThunder on August 21, 2006, 05:17:24 PM
i dont think anyone thinks 1000/2000 is right the question is the 500 starting bid. on the 2000 i thinkk the 500 would be good as a buy it now. i would pay 50 maybe for the 64c. if i was in the market for a 64c, which im not.
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: LoadWB on August 21, 2006, 05:28:25 PM
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TjLaZer wrote:
And the rest is mint in box, so $500  is about right for a true collector.


Collectors ruin things for those of us who want to buy reasonably priced equipment to USE, not put in a bleeping "museum."

I've had people argue about the price of items in the past.  Saying "well, I bought it for $x" or "it's worth $y".  BS - first off, I don't care what you bought it for... if it's yellow, has been exposed to the elements, doesn't have its accessories, etc., it's not worth what you paid for.  Secondly, it's only worth what someone will pay for it!

So, if someone pays $2000 for the 64C, it was worth it to them.  Kinda like the Toaster/Flyer boogiegail had up... it ended at $151, under the reserve.  Right now, it's worth $151, unless it gets relisted and possibly sold for more.

There's a guy out in the Crestview (FL) flea market with 22 ColecoVision carts.  Two years ago I offered him $25 for the lot... he says to me "well, I can't take less than $2.50 each, they were my own personal collection and I bought them all brand new."  Ummmm 20 years old, no books, no cases, peeling labels, and sitting in this open-air flea market for how long?  To this day, I believe all 22 are still sitting there.  To him, they're worth more sitting there waiting for someone who will give him $2.50 each, but until then they're worthless to anyone.
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: pierre on August 21, 2006, 05:37:53 PM
dude, consider this....it won't sell at that price, so relax and have a laugh...
Also, please nobody bid more that I am willing to pay, it messes things up for me :-D
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: pierre on August 21, 2006, 05:42:08 PM
and no the collectors are not what messing things up... it happens to be whats keeping things alive... seriously 20 years after that fact we are all "collecting".  Sometimes they drive the price up for something you want, thats good for the vendor and honestly it does not happen every day, most amiga people are still cheap...
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: LoadWB on August 21, 2006, 10:12:15 PM
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pierre wrote:
and no the collectors are not what messing things up... it happens to be whats keeping things alive... seriously 20 years after that fact we are all "collecting".  Sometimes they drive the price up for something you want, thats good for the vendor and honestly it does not happen every day, most amiga people are still cheap...


I hold a differing opinion on this.  I believe that it US, the users who hold on to whatever it is about the computers that compels us, on which collectors benefit.  Not the other way around.  Were it not for people like us, much of the equipment would have been trashed a long time ago, thus driving the "value" up even more.

So, regardless of whether we keep or toss, the collectors benefit on our actions.
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: c64_d0c on August 21, 2006, 10:34:30 PM
YOUR TOTALLY RIGTH... if it have only been these cheap {bleep} around here. all the stuff have been tossed along time ago!... and now the cheap {bleep}s cry when they say the prices becouse they tossed or gave away their c64 stuff...
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Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: TjLaZer on August 21, 2006, 10:36:43 PM
Let me make myself clear that I was saying the starting bid amounts were ok, I never thought the BIN amounts were what they are worth!  I bet someone takes a stab at that A2000, not sure on that C64C lot beings it is over in the EU and our English friends are used to things being very cheap over there! lol
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: pierre on August 21, 2006, 10:46:41 PM
loadWB and all@
if you held onto stuff this long guess what!  you are a collector!  If you SAVED all this stuff then you would be the one selling it? right?  Just becasue you still use your stuff does not mean that you are not a collector (IMO)  
NOBODY is going to buy this unit at that price.. and if somebody did they would no be a collector they would be and idiot!  It almost by definition, if you are on amiga.org and look around eBay for amiga gear we are collectors.  it's o.k.
just don't outbid me and we are cool. (I want low prices too!)

Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: KThunder on August 21, 2006, 11:12:38 PM
better to be an amiga collector than in the amiga "cult"
nostalgic computing yeah thats ok
retrohightech

the coolest stuff is the cheapest because you can actually get it and not worry about breaking it. mint computers in the box in the original wrapping... sad ive seen some of that. i usually get a couple of whatever i get incase something breaks it can be replaced.... oh wait that makes me a pack-rat. :-D
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: nagaflas on August 21, 2006, 11:14:07 PM
Apparently the fellow with the $1000 A2000 with the '060 (and no monitor or software or manuals, BTW) has been receiving all sorts of mail concerning his pricing methods. I sent him one and here is the response I got:

mechanic_2 (103)
Positive feedback:  98.1%
Member since:  Mar-11-02
Location:  WI,United States
Registered on:  www.ebay.com

Item: Amiga 2000, C= 68060 with 64 meg ram, 1 meg of chip (170020221606)
This message was sent while the listing was active.
mechanic_2 is the seller.
-------------------------------------------------------
Look, I've tried to be nice. I am very ill and I don't have the time nor the energy to keep reading and replying to your messages. If you don't like the price, fine, don't bid on it. It is worth what I am asking for it. Go away, and leave me alone.
rich
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: LoadWB on August 21, 2006, 11:25:07 PM
Quote

pierre wrote:
It almost by definition, if you are on amiga.org and look around eBay for amiga gear we are collectors.


I collect Amiga and C64 equipment as much as I collect PC equipment.  I USE this equipment either in my own personal day-to-day, or to teach -- I find that these modern "technology" classes teach nothing about the logic of the system, rather they teach applications.

Mind you, a number of these types wind up being the bread-and-butter of my business (you know, the ones who can lay out a complicated Excel spreadsheet, but have to have "double-click" explained to them (true story),) but I would happily pick another career if these types were replaced with more saavy, knowledgeable, and intuitive types.

I agree that the start bid was not a bad price, though higher than I would need to pay, mostly because I already have a horde of a lot of that equipment so spares aren't an issue for me.  (Damn, computers get old!)  I've paid some stupid prices for things I need, and will probably pay stupid prices again.

In the end, I'm being a pedantic {bleep}, which may turn on me.  A collection is something "to be seen, studied, or kept together."  I would say that I definitely study these machines and encourage others to study them, ergo they are to be seen as well.

So, I should say that I do not collect for monetary value.  I collect for use and and practicality, the value of which are completely subjective.

And stay away from stuff I need or want, and we won't have any problems in these here auctions  :-D
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: LoadWB on August 22, 2006, 02:50:49 PM
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Look, I've tried to be nice. I am very ill and I don't have the time nor the energy to keep reading and replying to your messages. If you don't like the price, fine, don't bid on it. It is worth what I am asking for it. Go away, and leave me alone.
rich


 :flame::roflmao:

Excellent!
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: Olecranon on August 24, 2006, 07:40:10 AM
I guess he doesn't understand that some people are actually trying to be helpful.  Its pretty obvious that he is out of touch with what Amiga systems are selling for these days.

He has now appended this to all of his auctions.

Because of the mis-treatment that I have received from some people concerning this equipment, I will not be relisting it. I will be destroying the equipment when the listing expires.

Dont send me emails or I'll throw this 060 board out this 3rd story window!  I'll do it!

Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: weirdami on August 24, 2006, 08:30:38 AM
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I guess he doesn't understand that some people are actually trying to be helpful.


People that complain about the price of something aren't trying to be helpful.
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: Rooster on August 24, 2006, 08:41:44 AM
What do ya mean a "thrift store"?  Names/examples..  Like Salvation Army store or something??  
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: redrumloa on August 24, 2006, 09:06:46 AM
Well I hope AO users didn't send nasty emails because of my post, that was not my intention.
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: Ilwrath on August 24, 2006, 11:36:43 AM
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Well I hope AO users didn't send nasty emails because of my post, that was not my intention.


Don't sweat it, red.  I remember the (I'll smash this equipment) guy from back in the BBS days.  He was a whiner and a PITA back then, too.  He had a fairly nice system until backlash when he went to a pay structure.  (Who actually pays to be on a pirate BBS? :lol: )  

Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: odin on August 24, 2006, 03:05:52 PM
The guy has a point. Just let him be and let him put an A2k on ebay for a million if he wants to.

Then again, it's funny how he turns all 'aw, look at poor old disabled me' in the replies to the questions on ebay =).
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: sdyates on August 24, 2006, 04:00:27 PM
I think I am going to make a bid. I have some spare Monopoly money around
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: spihunter on August 24, 2006, 04:10:45 PM
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Because of the mis-treatment that I have received from some people concerning this equipment, I will not be relisting it. I will be destroying the equipment when the listing expires.



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

You make me mad and I'll take my football and go straight home!!.
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: TjLaZer on August 24, 2006, 04:44:16 PM
WTF is wrong with people, is $500 too much for a loaded Amiga 2000 with Phase 5 68060 card and 64MB of RAM?  I think that is a reasonable price especially if you want a maxed out Amiga 2000!  People should go to StarBucks and smell the coffee. People always want things for free. Well guess what, most of my collection is from ebay and I paid a lot for it and I never whined.   Get over it, nothing is for free.   This is a very sore subject for me so watch out!  lol  (Nickel and diming bids, shows people are cheap and want things for nothing)
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: TjLaZer on August 24, 2006, 04:54:49 PM
LoadWB wrote:

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Collectors ruin things for those of us who want to buy reasonably priced equipment to USE, not put in a bleeping "museum."


I understand your frustration but if you want to buy a Commodore 64 to USE and not "Collect"  please consider buying a nice used one that is cheaper, rather than whine about the high priced Mint in boxed ones!  Doesn't that make sense since you will be using it and not storing it in a "Museum" ?  Also as pointed out that lot came with a 1581 which has fetched $100 to $200 alone.  Yes the price is a little high, but it has to.  It's all mint in box!  Why is that so hard to understand people?
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: Olecranon on August 24, 2006, 06:29:54 PM
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by TjLaZer on 2006/8/24 10:44:16

WTF is wrong with people, is $500 too much for a loaded Amiga 2000 with Phase 5 68060 card and 64MB of RAM? I think that is a reasonable price especially if you want a maxed out Amiga 2000! People should go to StarBucks and smell the coffee. People always want things for free. Well guess what, most of my collection is from ebay and I paid a lot for it and I never whined. Get over it, nothing is for free. This is a very sore subject for me so watch out! lol (Nickel and diming bids, shows people are cheap and want things for nothing)


No..  WTF is wrong with YOU people who would pay $500 for any A2000..  Or close to $800 for an A1200 accelerator for that matter (but thats a different thread).  :lol:

1994 called, it wants it's computer prices back.  Yeah, $500 is too much for a loaded A2000 computer (In my opinion).  It's like charging $25000 for a 15 year old, decked out Geo Metro.  A4000 systems rarely go that high.  $500 for the worlds fastest ZII ECS chipset machine, brilliant!  Just need to spend another $400-$500 to get a RTG graphics card, new roms, os3.9, and ethernet.  Then you can have a mediocre experience surfing the net.

No wondering there are people who make a living selling old Amiga computers on Ebay, they know some crazy person will overpay for anything.

Thats just my opinion though
 :-)  
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: TjLaZer on August 24, 2006, 06:54:29 PM
Well if someone wants a MC68060 accelerator card for their Amiga 2000 it is going to cost them.  In this case it comes with a fully loaded A2000 so I think $500 is fair.  If you don't then that is your disillusioned opinion.  Look at what Phase 5 060 card have been selling for and then come back.  You cannot compare 1994 CPU prices, the Amiga is a special case.   A 386 DX2/486 CPU or system cannot be compared to a 68040/68060 based Amiga, don't you know that?
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: lopos on August 24, 2006, 07:23:29 PM
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Olecranon wrote:
Quote

by TjLaZer on 2006/8/24 10:44:16

WTF is wrong with people, is $500 too much for a loaded Amiga 2000 with Phase 5 68060 card and 64MB of RAM? I think that is a reasonable price especially if you want a maxed out Amiga 2000! People should go to StarBucks and smell the coffee. People always want things for free. Well guess what, most of my collection is from ebay and I paid a lot for it and I never whined. Get over it, nothing is for free. This is a very sore subject for me so watch out! lol (Nickel and diming bids, shows people are cheap and want things for nothing)


No..  WTF is wrong with YOU people who would pay $500 for any A2000..  Or close to $800 for an A1200 accelerator for that matter (but thats a different thread).  :lol:

1994 called, it wants it's computer prices back.  Yeah, $500 is too much for a loaded A2000 computer (In my opinion).  It's like charging $25000 for a 15 year old, decked out Geo Metro.  A4000 systems rarely go that high.  $500 for the worlds fastest ZII ECS chipset machine, brilliant!  Just need to spend another $400-$500 to get a RTG graphics card, new roms, os3.9, and ethernet.  Then you can have a mediocre experience surfing the net.

No wondering there are people who make a living selling old Amiga computers on Ebay, they know some crazy person will overpay for anything.

Thats just my opinion though
 :-)  


Nobody is forcing you to buy anything. If you don't like don't buy it. :madashell:
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: mpiva on August 24, 2006, 07:46:44 PM
  I also think $500 is a reasonable price for that A2000 system.  I'd never spend that kind of money on an A2000 regardless of what's in it but I do think it's on par for what similar items are selling for on eBay.  Why should people be expected to GIVE stuff away on eBay?  He's obviously trying to reap some benefit from all the money and time he's invested into this system.  What's wrong with that?  If people are willing to pay what he's asking, then good for him.  The problem is, it's unlikely to sell with that starting bid and it's sad to think that such a nice system MAY go in the garbage.  The ironic thing is that he probably would have got the $500 (and possibly more) if he had a lower starting bid (and the $1000 BIN price just scares people away).
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: Rooster on August 24, 2006, 07:59:21 PM
Again, I ask:   What do ya mean a "thrift store"? Names/examples.. Like Salvation Army store or something??
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: KThunder on August 24, 2006, 07:59:47 PM
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mpiva wrote:
  The ironic thing is that he probably would have got the $500 (and possibly more) if he had a lower starting bid (and the $1000 BIN price just scares people away).


see thats the point. if the starting bid was 100 i would have put a bid on it right off. noone is expecting anyone to GIVE anything away but be reasonable. the entire point of auctions is to let the potential buyers set the price. if the buyers arent willing to pay 500 for it then in this auction it is not worth 500. im sick of people bringing personal stuff into auctions and stuff. im sorry that he is sick or whatever but what does that have to do with the auction. i do want a 2000 with an accelerator, but to me and many others it isnt worth 500. look how much interest there is in this thing . this guy would have had a bidding frenzy if the starting bid was lower.
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: Olecranon on August 24, 2006, 08:04:17 PM
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by mpiva on 2006/8/24 13:46:44

I also think $500 is a reasonable price for that A2000 system. I'd never spend that kind of money on an A2000 regardless of what's in it but I do think it's on par for what similar items are selling for on eBay. Why should people be expected to GIVE stuff away on eBay? He's obviously trying to reap some benefit from all the money and time he's invested into this system. What's wrong with that? If people are willing to pay what he's asking, then good for him. The problem is, it's unlikely to sell with that starting bid and it's sad to think that such a nice system MAY go in the garbage. The ironic thing is that he probably would have got the $500 (and possibly more) if he had a lower starting bid (and the $1000 BIN price just scares people away).


Dont get me wrong.  I could care less how much people ask for stuff on ebay.  Your absolutely correct in saying that a person should be able to ask whatever he wants for anything.  What befuddles me is the people here (who should know better) saying that its a good price at $500.  Its a good price.... But i wouldn't buy it..  hehe  
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: KThunder on August 24, 2006, 08:07:13 PM
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TjLaZer wrote:
WTF is wrong with people, is $500 too much for a loaded Amiga 2000 with Phase 5 68060 card and 64MB of RAM?  I think that is a reasonable price especially if you want a maxed out Amiga 2000!  People should go to StarBucks and smell the coffee. People always want things for free. Well guess what, most of my collection is from ebay and I paid a lot for it and I never whined.   Get over it, nothing is for free.   This is a very sore subject for me so watch out!  lol  (Nickel and diming bids, shows people are cheap and want things for nothing)


what are you talking about "free" noone said anything about free. if you put something on ebay with an unreasonably high starting bid, and lots of people show interest but noone wants to take the plunge this is what you get. nickel and dime bids dont show anything more than that people want to outbid you but if someone bid a big bid on they wont get stuck paying alot more than they really intended. much of my collection is from ebay and on every auction i put the total amount i was willing to pay and if i got outbid oh well. some people dont do that though, thats part of the game.
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: TjLaZer on August 24, 2006, 09:18:09 PM
See expecting him to start the bidding at $100 is pretty much the same as asking for free stuff!  People want a good deal and are not willing to pay what it is worth.  I am sorry if you disagree but this system is worth $500 period.  (if you need a refresher can you say Phase 5 MC68060 CPU card three times?)  True if he started it at $100 the end bid *might* fetch $500 or more, but it could also end at $100 and what a deal that would be for you cheap skates out there huh!?  Well the seller has demonstrated he would like atleast $500 for his nice system.  And would not like to take a chance with it ending at $100.  Again, what is wrong with that?  Nothing, that is a fair amount IMHO.  Now if he had it at a starting bid of $1000 or even $750 that is a different story.

Example:  I recently listed a rare and usually pricy Atari Stacy 4 luggable.  I wanted atleast $300 so I did as this guy did and started my auction at $299 with a BIN of $399.  Yes days went by with no bids, and a day before it ended someone took a bite.  It ended at $330 or so.  Whats wrong with that?
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: mpiva on August 24, 2006, 09:48:54 PM
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TjLaZer wrote:
See expecting him to start the bidding at $100 is pretty much the same as asking for free stuff!  People want a good deal and are not willing to pay what it is worth.  I am sorry if you disagree but this system is worth $500 period.  (if you need a refresher can you say Phase 5 MC68060 CPU card three times?)  True if he started it at $100 the end bid *might* fetch $500 or more, but it could also end at $100 and what a deal that would be for you cheap skates out there huh!?


  That's why you set a RESERVE.  If you absolutely won't sell it for less than $500, then start the bidding @ $100, or even $200, and set your reserve for $500.  Then you don't have to worry about selling it for less than you want but you don't scare people away from the get-go.
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: spihunter on August 24, 2006, 09:58:50 PM
@TjLaZer,

Its not a Phase 5 card, its a GVP Tek060.

I agree that the machine may be worth $500. My original post was making fun of the Buy it now price of $1000

I dont think anyone should have sent harrasing emails to the guy, but he should have taken like a grown-up and ignored them.

If you look at the first last question on the auction. The person claims to be Doom master :roll:
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: KThunder on August 24, 2006, 10:59:05 PM
i have seen several 060 boards for 2000's go for around 200 on ebay. that with system going for 80 to 120  makes for a 300 to 350 system maybe 400 with cd burner
noone is sugesting the system is only worth 100 but if you want any bids start it reasonably and yes set a reserve price. thats what the reserve option is for.
i have spent around 800 on amiga stuff over the years and have tried never to rip anyone off so before you start throwing names around consider that. i have also sold stuff on ebay and have had some success at it. you have to consider not only what you need or want but what the market (collectors, users, scavangers) will support. 500 is not unreasonable for that system, but it is tough to get as a starting bid.
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: recidivist on August 24, 2006, 11:01:14 PM
 Thanks for the reminder;I have a Stacey somewhere in my stash.It is just one of several  machines i forgot about having for the "other computer" thread! Also forgot to mention Kaypro 4.

 Has anyone USED a Stacey?

Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: TjLaZer on August 24, 2006, 11:01:20 PM
Ah sorry I thought that it was a Phase 5, well that's irrelevant at it is a 060 card and GVP-m cards are VERY reliable and while I am thinking about it would rate that card higher than a Phase 5/DCE for sure!!!!  I own a GVP-m 4060 G-Rex II card and it simply rocks!  I have it overclocked to 66MHz and maxed out to 128MB RAM.  Very good quality boards.  If anyone wants a nice 060 card for their A2000 this would be one to get for sure.

Yes that does look like the great Doom Master indeed.  He also agrees with me it is worth $500.  I also agree with the majority of you that $1000 is way off base and the seller should revise this amount to like $600.
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: pierre on August 24, 2006, 11:19:16 PM
yeah, well great but it not your too sell so what the point?
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: pierre on August 24, 2006, 11:33:07 PM
the seller obviosly has no idea how to sell on ebay or what current prices are, must be a frustrating experience for him..
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: LoadWB on August 25, 2006, 12:49:53 AM
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TjLaZer wrote:

I understand your frustration but if you want to buy a Commodore 64 to USE and not "Collect"  please consider buying a nice used one that is cheaper, rather than whine about the high priced Mint in boxed ones!


Actually, I think you missed my frustration.  Read what I said about collecting, and you might get a better picture.  I am not after mint-condition items.  In fact, if this stuff truly is mint -- which in a openned box, it is not -- then it's probably worth its weight in gold.

What I am complaining about is equipment that has been used or abused every day of its life with outrageous asking prices.  I have bunch of C= equipment which I would never think to flog on eBay for some of the prices which I have had to fight over and eventually pass up.

One thing I have noticed, though, is that this type of buying/selling comes in waves.  Sometimes you can't give this stuff away!  I bide my time when it comes to buying Amiga parts, and really any computer parts for that matter.  I have gotten some sweet deals on game carts and computers, but it took time and patience.  I get upitty when I watch the same people bid up cheap stuff to astronomic heights just so they can add it to their collection.  It's a waste, honestly.  Especially since when the old codger croaks his family will just throw the stuff in the bin.
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: Olecranon on August 25, 2006, 01:02:29 AM
Looks like someone took the bite on that A2000 for $500.  I guess some of you guys were right.  It was worth $500 to someone, and I find that troubling.  :crazy:
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: Olecranon on August 25, 2006, 01:22:17 AM
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by LoadWB on 2006/8/24 18:49:53

I bide my time when it comes to buying Amiga parts, and really any computer parts for that matter. I have gotten some sweet deals on game carts and computers, but it took time and patience.


I've only bought one Amiga item off ebay so far.  That was a non yellowed A500 w/power supply that I got $12.00.  I look on ebay all the time, but there are too many crazy people who are willing to pay too much.  You can get great deals on non Amiga specific items though.  I just bought a brand new 4GB Fujitsu HD for 11.00 (including shipping), and SCSI CDROMS are dirt cheap too.

I have two nice A2000 systems that I've gotten from private partys.  One with a 50Mhz 030, the other has a 28Mhz 030 card.  Both have 8mb 32bit ram, and both have flicker fixers.  I might have $400 between the two of them once I add up the cost of installing CDROM, and a 4GB 7200 RPM SCSI drives.  

I said I was done, but I know someone selling an A3000 + monitor for $200.  If I buy it, you may be seeing one of my A2000's on ebay very soon!  
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: LoadWB on August 25, 2006, 04:19:26 AM
Roger that.  I admit to having found excellent deals.  I just picked up an NTSC A500+ (rev 8 mobo, been looking for this for a long time) for under $50, and a 600 with 150MB hard drive for $75 (probably a little steep, but other than a flakey floppy -- of which I have spares -- it's in pretty good shape.)  Not bad deals, I think.  Good luck on the 3000 purchase.  I've never touched one, myself, but like the idea of the system.

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Olecranon wrote:
Looks like someone took the bite on that A2000 for $500.  I guess some of you guys were right.  It was worth $500 to someone, and I find that troubling.  :crazy:


I've had a couple of A2000 '040 accelerators go for around $200.  I can't remember what I paid for my Blizzard 2060, but it was probably a little over or around the same amount.  So, that would mean that the 2000 itself (in the case of the $500 system) would be selling for $300.  I wouldn't pay that, but to be fair, as someone else stated, it's in really good condition and has a really good '060 card.  If I didn't have so much Amiga equipment already, it might be worth it to me!

Reminds me, I bought my first A500 (rev 5 mobo) with 1.3, no hard drive, and a 4MB BaseBoard for $500 back in 1993.  I bought the Amiga specifically because I wanted Shadow of the Beast, only I didn't get it with the system... and instead I got hooked on Amiga as a computer :)
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: TjLaZer on August 25, 2006, 04:27:15 AM
@LoadWB, sorry didn't catch what you had said about people selling very used items for high prices, I understand.  Also if I could find a 060 card for my A2000 for $200ish I would snap that up right away but they usually sell for more as you just saw.  Sucks I know but thats the Amiga market for high end parts...  I don't think the seller was being too hostile, and if he is sick (as I am sure he is) I can understand his frustrations.  People have to understand that we all have our problems and to not let things like this get us bent out of shape.   We are all Amigans and should all just get along.

Cheers

 :pint:
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: LoadWB on August 25, 2006, 05:39:38 AM
@TJ

Yuppers. :pint:
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: TjLaZer on August 26, 2006, 09:52:54 PM
OK Here is a LAUGH!!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Amiga-2000-SCSI-Hard-Drive-Card-Great-Valley-A2000-HC-8_W0QQitemZ320021293978QQihZ011QQcategoryZ4598QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: CLS2086 on August 26, 2006, 09:57:43 PM
 :lol:   Life is life , lala la la ...
Title: Re: Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.
Post by: KThunder on August 26, 2006, 09:59:01 PM
wow that is a bit much. i just saw one of those go for 15 i think a month or two ago.