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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: ElZorro on August 19, 2006, 08:31:24 PM

Title: OK, I bought the kickstart roms 3.1, now what?
Post by: ElZorro on August 19, 2006, 08:31:24 PM
Because of the mailing with (I believe it was) Flashlab, I bought the kickrom 3.1 chips thrue Vesalia.de.
The chips costs € 23,20
But I do not live in Germany, so the international bank shipment gonne cost me 13,50 extra!
However, it seems less then buying it thrue for example ComputerCity.biz. CC sells them for €35,-- without post and packing! (about € 6,20)

But, thats that!
Now I have the kicks, how to install them....
probably somewhere explained on the net.
Any suggestion how to find...

'how to install kickrom in amiga'
 :rtfm:

Frisby
Title: Re: OK, I bought the kickstart roms 3.1, now what?
Post by: amigakit on August 19, 2006, 08:39:51 PM
You should have received some installation instructions which are specific for your Amiga model - it isn't possible to give generic instructions for installing the kickstart ROMs.

We have half a dozen different sets of printed documentation with diagrams for the different Kickstart 3.1 ROMs.  Which Amiga do you have?
Title: Re: OK, I bought the kickstart roms 3.1, now what?
Post by: Angus on August 19, 2006, 08:41:08 PM
I would only say that if you want to preserve your 3.0 chips investigate a chip extraction tool. I found it impossible to remove them without bending the legs - but you my be more skilful.
Title: Re: OK, I bought the kickstart roms 3.1, now what?
Post by: ElZorro on August 19, 2006, 08:48:44 PM
Quote

amigakit wrote:
You should have received some installation instructions which are specific for your Amiga model - it isn't possible to give generic instructions for installing the kickstart ROMs.

We have half a dozen different sets of printed documentation with diagrams for the different Kickstart 3.1 ROMs.  Which Amiga do you have?


I forget this everytime!
I will adjust my signature which describs my Amiga.

I have: hardware:

A1200 met 250MB harddisk 2,5" intern.
Kickstart 39.106 {exec.ver. 39.37} WorkBench 40.42 (diskversion)

Blizzard 1230 Phase IV MK, 50MHz, 32MB RAM met SCSI kit met 32 MB (totaal dus 64MB) (spec. CPU 68030/ 68882fpu/ 68030mmu.

(On the Scsi kit) external Hd 800MB

Midi interface (2x in 2xout 1x true)
Yamaha psr-540 keyboard
Roland EM-10 keyboard

Need more info?


Frisby
Title: Re: OK, I bought the kickstart roms 3.1, now what?
Post by: amigakit on August 19, 2006, 08:50:56 PM
1 Switch off your Amiga and disconnect the power.

2 Antistatically discharge yourself.

3 Place the A1200 with the keyboard facing down on a soft surface.  Remove the five screws that secure the casing and retain them safely.  Turn the computer around and remove the top case carefully.

4 The pair of KickstartTM chips can be accessed through the open space in the metal RF shielding.  The sockets are labelled U6A and U6B on the motherboard.  Please note the alignment of the chips and escpecially take note of the notch embedded into one end of each chip.  Using a suitable tool (e.g. a flat blade screwdriver), carefully remove the ROMs from the sockets.  You can prise them out of the sockets ensuring that you do not bend or break any of the ROMs' fragile legs.

5 Now you can install the 3.1 ROMs into the empty sockets.  Place ROM labelled 391773 into the lower socket marked U6A.  Place ROM labeled 391774 into the upper socket marked U6B.  Please note that the orientation of the notches must match!  The sockets are also larger than the actual KickstartTM ROMs.  The unused contacts remain free on the left hand side (nearest the ROM's notch)

6 Ensure that the fragile legs of the ROM chips are not bent during installation and make good contact with the receiving sockets.  The ROM chips should be installed level with minimal gap between them and the sockets.

7 Reassemble your Amiga.


Next time you know what Amiga store to go to ;-)
Title: Re: OK, I bought the kickstart roms 3.1, now what?
Post by: amigagr on August 19, 2006, 08:52:48 PM
god bless commodore...
Title: Re: OK, I bought the kickstart roms 3.1, now what?
Post by: keropi on August 19, 2006, 09:01:52 PM
yeah, I bought all my late stuff from amigakit.com ... always professional packed, with instructions. I am sure all that have bought from there agree it is a very trustworthy and efficient shop. the kind amiga-shops should be!  :-D
Title: Re: OK, now what?
Post by: ElZorro on August 19, 2006, 09:06:42 PM
Hi Amigakit,

I visited you website, looks great. Time to investigate it all! :lol: (If I only had some more)

As soon as I receive the chips, I will get to it straight away. Remember my name, FAME!

I had ajusted my signature explaining my setup of Amiga.

Now the Amiga World will know!

Thanks, Frisby
Title: Re: OK, I bought the kickstart roms 3.1, now what?
Post by: A1200Power on August 19, 2006, 09:06:58 PM
Pieter check out the picture it speaks for itself

Very nice story from amigakit but picture's tend to be more usefull.

Rom 3.1 Picture (http://amiga-hardware.com/display_photos/roms31.jpg)
Title: Re: OK, I bought the kickstart roms 3.1, now what?
Post by: amiga4001 on August 19, 2006, 09:50:25 PM
@EL zorro

All banktransfers is EU are free.
That is if you set option "share costs" in the assignment to your bank.
As you are from the Netherlands it shouldn't cost you anything to transfer the money.
I know as I purchased a lot by vesalia.
Title: Re: OK, I bought the kickstart roms 3.1, now what?
Post by: DaBest on August 20, 2006, 12:56:52 AM
Where the hek was AMIGAKIT when I installed mine. lol

My old ROM were removed with a screw driver.

EEEEEEEEKKKKKK

Do not attempt that PLEASE.
I almost went right through the motherboard.

Other then that it is fairly easy to do. :-D
Title: Re: OK, I bought the kickstart roms 3.1, now what?
Post by: justthatgood on August 20, 2006, 03:12:40 AM
I cant believe that people bend up their legs pulling their chips.
Title: Re: OK, I bought the kickstart roms 3.1, now what?
Post by: ElZorro on August 20, 2006, 10:41:25 AM
I will post a piece of the confirmation and my bank account:

VESALIA
1 pcs Kickstart ROMs 3.1 for Amiga 1200     17.90   17.90

Payment method: Cash in ADvance (Bank Transfer).

Shipping & Handling:                                 5.30
---------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL AMOUNT:                                       23.20

Bank Account Notification
(because of transmission to Germany)

17/08/2006 FOREIGN PAYMENT   - 13,60 EUR  
Valuta : 18/08/2006    REFERENTIE 060817E095200201  
  TRANSFERPROVISION EUR 6,80  
  CSTS FOREIGN EUR 6,80


How to set this to lower costs, if banktransfer going to cost me 13,60 eur anyway?
How much would it cost to pay in advance to the UK?

Any ideas?

Frisby
Title: Re: OK, I bought the kickstart roms 3.1, now what?
Post by: ElZorro on August 20, 2006, 10:49:07 AM
Do you know the dimension of the chip?

in milimeters, please, because inches is not by best why to calculate.

I need to know this to get a chip removal tool.


thanks

frisby
Title: Re: OK, I bought the kickstart roms 3.1, now what?
Post by: A1200Power on August 20, 2006, 02:14:41 PM
Pieter,

You really don't need a removal tool just patience and common sense. I myself really use a screwdriver with a very small tip, you can buy them at the GAMMA or PRAXIS.

When you want to remove the chip just put it in the end of the chip and it will come loose, then do it on the other side until it is fully lifted out of it's socket.

Nothing fancy about that.
Title: Re: OK, I bought the kickstart roms 3.1, now what?
Post by: ElZorro on August 20, 2006, 08:53:44 PM
For every job, a PRAXIS job.
That's what I said, GAMMA

Thanks, I just want to be precaution with fragile objects.

 :-D

thanks Henk
Title: Re: OK, I bought the kickstart roms 3.1, now what?
Post by: Lemmink on August 20, 2006, 09:35:23 PM
Banktransfers from one EU country to another should not cost one penny more then a banktransfer within your country. That is defined by EU law. Some banks still "offer" the old way of transfering and it is perfectly legal for them to charge this much, but upon request they should make a standard EU-transfer with no additional costs. Any hornest bank should handle it like that right away without you specially requesting it.
Title: Re: OK, I bought the kickstart roms 3.1, now what?
Post by: amiga4001 on August 20, 2006, 09:44:01 PM
Yes that is right.
I never payed a penny with all my banktransfers.
That is several to germany(vesalia) a few to France(Amiga repair center).
You should contact your bank what is causing this issue.
The only way it will cost you extra is if you put extra "speed" on it.
This is an extra service and will cost you extra.
Title: Re: OK, I bought the kickstart roms 3.1, now what?
Post by: alexh on August 20, 2006, 10:16:56 PM
Vesalia accept PayPal payments so you could have saved yourself 13.50!
Title: extra costs with my order of Kickstart roms
Post by: ElZorro on August 24, 2006, 04:22:31 AM
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alexh wrote:
Vesalia accept PayPal payments so you could have saved yourself 13.50!


PayPal....mmmm :roll:
I started my account TODAY at 05:45 a.m.!

Can you tell me more useful gadgets like this!

Frisby
 :lol:
Title: Bank transfercosts to be investigated, Lemmink!
Post by: ElZorro on August 24, 2006, 04:50:11 AM
Quote

Lemmink wrote:
Banktransfers from one EU country to another should not cost one penny more then a banktransfer within your country. That is defined by EU law. Some banks still "offer" the old way of transfering and it is perfectly legal for them to charge this much, but upon request they should make a standard EU-transfer with no additional costs. Any hornest bank should handle it like that right away without you specially requesting it.


What was I thinking? (Did my brains ever work anyway?)

It never occured to me that I had to deal with international costs, untill I saw the overview of my bankaccount.:-o
I will ask my bank why they charge that much, and I will let them explain to me how I can do business without charges!

Thanks for the warning/suggestions.

Frisby  
Title: Ordered Kickstart ROM 3.1, now what?
Post by: ElZorro on August 25, 2006, 09:48:40 PM
Today they have arrived! Yeah!
What?
The kickstart roms 3.1 I ordered by Vesalia.de
Nice and well packed and unharmed!

OK! now what?

I will replace the roms later this week or month.
(I have a short holiday ahead next week)

What can  (or should)I expect when I have replaced the 3.0 with the 3.1?

I have this (english) manual of WB 3.0. Will this still be enought to know?
What are the new applicatons I have to know/see?

PLease inform me.

Frisby
 :-?
Title: Re: Ordered Kickstart ROM 3.1, now what?
Post by: Doppie1200 on August 26, 2006, 08:20:23 AM
Now nothing! Just update your sig and be cool!

No seriously, you could replace your WB 3.0 with a 3.1 install. The leap is not that much and I doubt it would be worth it. You could also opt for installing 3.9 on your system.

Edit: you'll need workbench 3.1 disks. You got those, do you?
Title: Re: Ordered Kickstart ROM 3.1, now what?
Post by: ElZorro on August 27, 2006, 04:48:21 PM
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Doppie1200 wrote:
Edit: you'll need workbench 3.1 disks. You got those, do you?


No, I don't
Will this give a problem?

Is there a copy available on Aminet or something like that?

Frisby
Title: Re: Bank transfercosts to be investigated, Lemmink!
Post by: McVenco on September 04, 2006, 05:19:58 PM
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ElZorro wrote:

It never occured to me that I had to deal with international costs, untill I saw the overview of my bankaccount.:-o
I will ask my bank why they charge that much, and I will let them explain to me how I can do business without charges!


If you pay electronically (I use Postbank and Rabobank accounts) you just have to go to the "betalen buitenland" (pay abroad in english) option, and fill in the IBAN code and SWIFT/BIC code that is provided on Vesalia's page. Doesn't cost you one single eurocent.

Cheers,
Eric