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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: motorollin on August 16, 2006, 07:20:59 PM
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I love my A1200. I love just tinkering with the OS, playing older games and some newer ones too, and have also recently discovered demos for the first time. So I really enjoy the Classic Amiga experience.
However, I have recently been thinking about getting a Pegasos. I think I like the idea of getting a new "Amiga". I know the Pegasos is not really an Amiga, but the OS is Amiga-like and I have heard great things about it. However, I would obviously lose the ability to use my Classic software.
What I am thinking is that I could use the Pegasos as a fast Amiga-like system for surfing and general tinkering, and get UAE running on it for games. If I have a different UAE config for each game, I could have it automatically start the game when I double click the icon in MorphOS. That way it would be pretty transparent that UAE is being used, and it would be just like running a WHDLoad game.
Any input on the pros and cons of using a Pegasos as a Classic Amiga replacement would be appreciated!
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moto
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The same thing applies to all new generation Amigas, and the Pegasos really both looks good and acts good!
I still havent bought one, but i really want one ;)
The main advatages; Nice price and actually possibly to buy , now :)
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go for it.
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Just buy one and keep your A1200 for the classic chipset software.
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The Pegasos board is much smaller than I had thought! It would be fun to build it in to a classic Amiga case (A4000 would be cool).
I would really appreciate any input from a Pegasos user on how fast UAE is. I don't care about using Workbench in Picasso screenmodes or anything like that, just running classic games.
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moto
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I think you will like it. If you get one let us know how the uae stuff is working! Have fun, nad keep the 1200!
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Go for it, they are fantastic little machines and MorphOS feels so Amiga like it's untrue.
You can always trade it in for an OS4 mobo later on if you don't like it.
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@Moto:
Any input on the pros and cons of using a Pegasos as a Classic Amiga replacement would be appreciated!
Depends what you want to use it for.
I have a Pegasos1, which I have to admit, I hardly use at all these days, although I did switch it on last night. I used it mainly for ProStationAudio (and the occassional game of Feeble Files). It's Amiga enough for me to consider it an Amiga.
My A1200 still gets fired up for OctaMED and, well that's it but it sees more use than my Peg.
I also have an A1, which I still use every other day. It's even more Amiga than the Peg and is a still being used for HD-Rec.
I have a 4 month old WinXP box which I used last night to buld a drum track with Reason but I can honestly say that's the most use I've had out of it since I bought it.
Most of my home computing is now carried out on this here iBook.
All things considered, I'd say go for it; buy the Pegasos.
They're nice little machines and incredibly responsive.
And, to echo everyopne else, keep your A1200 too. :pint:
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You can always trade it in for an OS4 mobo later on
Although how *much* later on is anyone's guess. ;-)
Waiting on the new OS4 boards is getting a bit like waiting for the "last throes" of the Iraqi resistance to throw the towel in.
Diznae look like it's gonnae happen anytime soon...
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@Wilse
Nice to see a fellow Reason lover on a.org :-) It runs great on my MacBook. Most of my computing (music making, graphics and surfing) on my MacBook. I use my Amiga for light surfing and classic games. I would like to use it for more, which is why I'm looking at the Peg.
I'm not looking to get rid of my A1200, though if I did get the Peg I would probably turn the A1200 back in to a desktop machine and use it as a portable WHDLoad box, and then use the Peg for surfing, email and classic games with UAE.
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moto
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motorollin wrote:
@Wilse
Nice to see a fellow Reason lover on a.org :-) It runs great on my MacBook.
Last night is the first time I've really used it. It's fun though so I'll be back at again soon, perhaps later tonight.
Most of my computing (music making, graphics and surfing) on my MacBook.
Likewise, apart from the music but I recently bought Logic Express which I'm just trying to get my head around.
I use my Amiga for light surfing and classic games. I would like to use it for more, which is why I'm looking at the Peg.
I'm not looking to get rid of my A1200, though if I did get the Peg I would probably turn the A1200 back in to a desktop machine and use it as a portable WHDLoad box, and then use the Peg for surfing, email and classic games with UAE.
I say go for it - Pegasos is a very nice computer.
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Think of a Pegasos + MOS as an easy way to reach the fully expanded classic Amiga level, and then some.
You will essentially skip the hassle of buying expensive individual parts and OS3.x patches/hacks which are needed to make the workbench look nice and fancy and expand the classics to the up to date (or so) level, and you will gain more stability in the end, and of course run everything through a PPC Amiga like OS...much, much faster.
What you will lose is compatibility with classic hardware banging games, but for that you may as well keep your A1200.
The same could be said for OS4.0, but if you can source a used AOne system.
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how well does UAE work in th peg? I wonder.... I know it runs all the new stuff, but it sounds like it may not be the best uae machine...true?
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I`ve had my Peg2 for about 2 years or so, and It`s been great.
Many of the more modern games (Wipeout2099,the Hyperion ports) fly on just a G3. I`ve been considering getting a second one with a G4. Hollywood2 works great, and I find myself working with Papyrus more and more. E-UAE on my specs can play classic games up to speed. With workbench it`s just a bit slower than normal when trying to play things like Hereitc in a window. I`m using using hard files from an Amiga Forever install, so it`s probally a matter of prefs to have better speeds. Many people may complain that the OS is developed slow but I`ve been happy with it.
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how well does UAE work in th peg? I wonder.... I know it runs all the new stuff, but it sounds like it may not be the best uae machine...true?
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sorry about the double post... it was an accedent.
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Pegasos is like an expended Classic Amiga, without Paula,AGA, and Amiga floppy.
So you won't fell lost, and if you want you can put OS3.9 over MOS 1.4.5 to get the classical felling (and some required files too for some old apps), you can also put OS4emu to get more apps :lol:
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Put it one way im loving MorphOS and thats on my classic. I dont even have OS3.9 installed anymore Just MorphOS.
It runs great here so on a recent chip it should be amazing.
Put it one way its the fastest ive run most of my software if not all and most of thats under JIT
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E-UAE for MOS runs pretty well, there are two versions for MOS, a native compile with overlay support and a SDL compile. They both support joysticks.
The SDL version has fullscreen support but the native version is a bit faster but you can't go fullscreen and there's no Picasso support I believe. Most games/demos I tried in both versions work fullspeed and are very playable on my Pegasos II G4.
If you want to use Workbench with Picasso screenmodes the speed is about half of a real a4000, it feels a bit sluggish though. The most important thing missing is JIT, this would speed up things very much. There's also a gui but I didn't try it, I just edit the different uaerc config files I have and start E-UAE with the config file I need.
There's also a Linux live CD with E-UAE available for the Pegasos II, didn't try it so I cannot comment on that.
But, nothing beats a real Amiga to play games on, I only use E-UAE on MOS to play some demo's. I've got an a1200 setup with WHDLoad just for games ;)
~tempest
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OK, I definitely want one but can't afford it just yet :-(
Just so I can draw up a wishlist, what components are required? The Pegasos is just the mobo and the CPU module, right? So do I need a PCI/APG gfx card? And the RAM is DDR, right? Is that everything?
Cheers for all the info
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moto
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UAE is too slow for enjoyable gaming. Some games are fast enough but for example Pinball Dreams gets slowdowns sometimes. For original OCS/AGA games I would keep A1200. Newer games from late 90s, especially those using Warp3D, run better and faster.
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Just so I can draw up a wishlist, what components are required? The Pegasos is just the mobo and the CPU module, right?
Right.
So do I need a PCI/APG gfx card? And the RAM is DDR, right? Is that everything?
- DDR RAM
- PCI/AGP gfx card
- a mouse
- a keyboard
- CDROM
- a harddisk
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At least to enjoy MAME, you'll need 512 mb of RAM (PC2100/ DDR266), but you can use PC3200 too.
For Watching demos and "old" Warp3D games with 15/16 bits mode I suggest you a Voodoo 5-5500 AGP.
For graphics apps and Linux, use a Radeon 9000/9000PRO/8500Le/9100/8500. The 8500 with 128mb is the best (choose a compatible AGP 2x/4x card !!).
You can use "old" Tekram SCSI card (and card that use the same chipsets too).
You can add some more USB2 port (at USB1 speed) with a VIA based card.
You can use any of the TV/FM PCI card supported by GREX.
You can add a sound blaster live! if you really need that.
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Would a ATI Radeon 8500 All In Wonder work ok? Is that the best card to use with Morphos? It's a 128MB AGP card. I'm thinking of buying up all the smaller parts now and then getting the mobo when I can afford it.
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moto
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There's a list here (http://3d.morphos-team.net/) of supported chipsets, it looks like a Radeon 8500 will work fine.
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Would a ATI Radeon 8500 All In Wonder work ok? Is that the best card to use with Morphos?
It probably is.
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Just ordered my PegII from Amigakit. I'm excited :-D
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moto
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thats a good decision.. post pics when u get it.
EDIT:
I just checked on amigakit's site but dont see a way to order the peg II. says its out of stock or something.
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Hmmm it was there about an hour and a half ago when I ordered it. It accepted my payment and I got a confirmation. Might give Matthew a call and double check he's got one.
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moto
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how much did u pay? was it just the mobo? you're going to love it.. MOS kicks asssstronaut. lol
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Yeah I just ordered the motherboard. Got it for just over £350 including postage. I've emailed Matthew to ask him to confirm he definitely has one for me. Can't wait to try MOS. Just remembered I need to get a case for it!
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moto
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I got the last in the batch :-P
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moto