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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: ElZorro on August 08, 2006, 11:31:45 AM
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No, this is a serious quest.
I rediscovered my miggy as a programable machine, not as a piece of toy (although I like to play some games)
I have an Amiga 1200 with internal 245MB HD and an external 170MB SCSI. I have a Blizzard 1230 Phase IV with 64MB + Scsi.
What should or can I do with this hardware equipment.
Flashlab explained me that 4 GB is possible on this Miggy, but where can I can Scsi (or fitable on this amiga) Harddisks?
How to expand memory is already explain, but has got some?
I think I have a standard kickrom, but how can I change that to upgrade possibility's?
How to make a super Amiga out of mine?
Any suggestion (not to expansive please!)
I know it depense on what I want to do with it, I am just currious!
Frisby
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You could set it up as a games machine
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If you have Kickstart 3.1 you can install AmigaOS 3.5 or 3.9 . They have some extra eye candy and the functionality to install greater than 4 Gb hard drives. There is also a driver for AmigaOS 3.1 that will let you do this but I'm not sure if it will work with Kickstart 3.0 .
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Domo Aricato! (japanese for thank you vely much)
I saw on the dutch website computercity.biz this:
http://www.computercity.biz/index.php?cPath=21_69&osCsid=71ea2ede3855117ff104f79db0ce5313
(hope it works)
something about Romkick 3.1
Amiga OS 3.5 or 3.9.....On aminet I guess?
If I get better with Amiga OS, I want to record my self-made-music on a cd-recorder. (The dream we all dreamed of)
frisby
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Amiga OS 3.5 or 3.9.....On aminet I guess?
Nope on CD-ROM and not free...
Second hand Kickstart Roms are a lot cheaper.
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@ElZorro
There is Lots you can Do to upgrade your Amiga 1200:
1) add USB ports with the SUBWAY USB from AmigaKIt
2) add internal Laptop DVDRW/CDRW drive
3) add 80 Gigabyte Harddrive (yes you can read all of it)
4) add 128mb or 256mb if your Accelerator supports is
5) add a Wireless PCMCIA card in the Card slot
6) Add a Compact FLash adaptor internally to the IDE chain
7) Upgrade to OS3.9 (I prefer OS3.1)
8) Get a Genlock if you want to Do Video
9) Add a Coclino PS/2 Mouse adaptor to use Optical PC mice
10) Get SCALA MM300 or MM400 (Powerpoint for the Amiga)
11) Get DSS8+ Digital Sound Studio 8bit Sound Sampler
12) get a PC power supply and convert it for your A1200
13) Get AOL Instant Messenger, Yahoo, and MSN and AmIRC
14) Get Brilliance 2.0 Paint package
15) Get a Motorola 68060 accelerator if you can!
16) Even better, get a PowerPC/68060 and use OS4.0 and Linux
And so much more you can do! I say a DVDRW/CDRW jus so that you have the maximum possible upgrade incase you want to burn CD's in the Future (Burn It, MakeCD, Frying Pan, Master Iso) are available Burning software for Amiga
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who has got Amiga OS 3.5 or 3.9 available?
Price?
Where to get?
Who to obtain?
Who is a friend?
thanks :-D
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@ElZorro
YOu can get it on eBay..............Read my Post above
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Dear Leirbag,
I was overwelmed with this list.
I will so lonely with the standard A1200 like I have.
It feels like having a PC like 386 DX 66 and thinking it supports a lot!
Time stood still. Likewise my Miggy!
I will start saving money and time!
Video editing is not my thing.
I like to make music!
So which additorials remain?
frisby
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You can get OS3.9 from AmigaKit or Vesalia too, but...
You need a CD-ROM drive for OS3.9! It can be installed without one too but you need to know what you're doing then; it's not for novices. I think AmigaKit sells harddisks that have OS3.9 preinstalled.
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-Vesalia :
Kickstart 3.1 for A1200 : 17,90 Euro (http://www.vesalia.de/?V02b0f1453524616715a59555209514e01101f04435605551c4a0108515d324c536c352c2c6165693647097c6a2e653b781565636963372d276b120e4d703f3b6b087248404617655414654b544f4b58574e7952551347565e517550087c571f58652661703f3c6c7b24707a716a7a3)
OS3.9 CDrom : 39,90 euro (http://www.vesalia.de/?V02b0f1453524616715a5955520e514e01101f04435605551c4a0108515d324c536c352c2c6165693647097c6a2e653b781560646e61277829207f105e0a702c6245177a46440b7948430c68425c5d4b4054343f7b1051414b0a3e5b5405671c486d603065267a3a7b3)
-Ebay:
128 Mb modules that fit your 1230/4 (http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=300014955059&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=020)
Hope this helps a bit :-D
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@ElZorro
First think of what you want to do with your Amiga. Make a small list. A lot of upgrades don't make any sense if you're not going to use them. It's IMHO just a waste of money.
You don't need OS3.5 or 3.9. You can upgrade 3.1 with a lot of patches from Aminet that give it the (nearly) same functionality.
You already have a nice machine that can be used to make music and play all those classic games! All you need is a big bigger HD. That's why I said to get a HD that isn't bigger than 4Gb (4Gb should be more than enough). That way you have enough space and you don't get into trouble with the 4Gb limit.
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I will meditate about a whish list of things I wanne do with Miggy.
Thanks Flashlab.
With my Scsi kit on my Blizzard I'll be able to connect a 4GB harddisk, right?
I have this Cable from the back of my Amiga (scsi) to a bigger (looks like the old parallel) connector. That is attached to a SCSI box. In it there is my ext. HD. In there the connectors has less pins than a usual PC HD.( So it is Scsi, right? Not IDE or AT mention in advertisments.)
oh, dear, I think I have to make photo's to explain better!
:crazy:
Frisby.
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@ElZorro
Dont worry about the length of the list.........these are just in My opinion the first Priorities.
But as it is.You have an Excellent machine right now! My Amiga is 68030 as well..........and it does lots!
All you need is OS3.1 or 3.9, and a Harddrive bigger than 4gig..although 4 gig will do you just fine and last a while.
For Music I would say get a Midi Interface, Digital SOund Studio 8+ for sound sampling, ProTracker, Octamed SOund STudio, MusicX, Bar N Pipes Professional.
and your good. You can alway later upgrade to a 16bit SOund Card too!
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to Effy:
The 128Mb modules, nice!
"U heeft daar een goede uitstalling van gemaakt! Amai!"
You added a long list of information!
But that is not what I need, I guess.
Flashlab explained me that being satisfied and thinking about the acual use of the miggy will give a good feeling.
More memory is still the thing that keeping me bussy.
I have the Blizzard 1230 and A1200 Power told me that it is faster than a standard. (so I have something more than usually). The external features can be used for other hardware (SCSI) where to finf a HD which I can connect to my SCSI-kit of this blizzard? Or an internal one bigger than 240 MB?
I learn more about the a1200, so keep me informed.
Greetings,
Frisby
:rtfm:
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Haya Leirbag28,
Each time I answer/reply someone else, you posted something in between. funny!
I get happier each time I read this topic.
So much to offer, so less time!
I have the midi interface. A good one! 1x In 2x Out 1x thrue. Original Amiga! Yeah!
I use Octamed V5.0, I think it is not the original version, because everytime I start it, I get A screen that tell me that I have to buy some more , but after clicking proceed, I can make, save and load my music! It does not seems to me it is limited.
But I do not have the guide and manual. (Do you?)
I have the DSS 8+ sampler. Works Perfect!
I heard about a 16bit sampler (Aura ?). Is that good?
This whole quest for the giga Amiga started with the need for more Chip Memory. To make more samples...
Frisby
:-P
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You already have 64 Mb of FastRAM. That is a lot for an A1200. I really don't think you need more.
You can see how much memory the Amiga has left at the top of the screen in Workbench. Does the counter really reach zero when you use a lot of apps?
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Flashlab wrote:
You already have 64 Mb of FastRAM. That is a lot for an A1200. I really don't think you need more.
You can see how much memory the Amiga has left at the top of the screen in Workbench. Does the counter really reach zero when you use a lot of apps?
nope
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16) Even better, get a PowerPC/68060 and use OS4.0 and Linux
Can you tell us how to get legally OS4 when you are not a well known programmer ? ;-)
Linux is slow aas hell even on a BPPC/240, but MorphOS rocks (Bvision or Voodoo needed).
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CLS2086 wrote:
Can you tell us how to get legally OS4 when you are not a well known programmer ? ;-)
Are you asking me this question or just generaly?
After 10 years of being the owner of my A1200, I finaly start reading the book about Workbench 3.0 :rtfm:
Yawn! :sleep: My brains are not able to understand this (technicaly) english!
I need to ask the dutch-dudez on AOrg for help or the dutch translation/version. :idea: ???
And again: so much to learn, so little time. :lol:
Frisby
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You can make it super by knitting a cape for it. :lol:
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ok, way to go, weirdami!
:lol: :-D :lol:
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@ ElZorro
..hi! I see that you are intererested in music composing, so IMO you also need an usable desktop resolution and frequency to work comfortably, so first of all I would buy a tower, mediator, voodoo and LCD monitor with SCART-IN (or RCA) for AGA stuff..
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weirdami wrote:
You can make it super by knitting a cape for it. :lol:
Or
paint it red and put a Ferrari sticker on it. :-D :-D
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ElZorro : forgot to tell you something about the scsi. If you want to use only an external scsi harddrive which is attached to your Blizzard 12340/4 then I think that your theoretical maximum is 8 Gb and not 4 Gb. The 4 Gb refers to the limit of the internal IDE port. In other words, if you can buy a cheap 9 Gb scsi hd then you can use the first 8 Gb without using any patch at all !! By the way, using only an external hd and leaving the internal IDE port empty will surely result in a speed increase as loading through the scsi controller will take a lot of load of the processor :-D
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Effy!
How to set this SCSI external HD as bootup/start HD?
Can quit understand the english installation procedures mentioned
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@ElZorro
Haven't followed the full thread, but the boot-device is determined by the bootpri-parameter.
Herwego:
1. Reset Amiga and hold both mousebuttons
2. in the early-startup-menu check which device has the highest boot-pri (ignoring DF0:)
3. boot into workbench
4. start HDToolBox or similar and change the bootpri of the current boot-partition to 0
5. switch to the new boot-partition and set boot-pri to something between 1 and bootpri-DF0: (AFAIR 10 is a good number here, but it's been years since I used a classic).
6. save to disk
3. trees fingeros salutos :-o
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you want a super amiga just buy everything in my signature!
But be warned it all costs a fortune and isnt much use if you cant find the software that actually takes full advantage of it! Now that is the hard part
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by leirbag28 on 2006/8/8 7:31:30
[color=ff0000]2) add internal Laptop DVDRW/CDRW drive[/color]
Several people told me they are toying with such ideas.
But I have yet to see any picture of this?
Can this be obtained without damaging the floppy frame?
Anyone has any picture of such installation?
Sounds great, where do I sign for order? 8-)
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Prepare to invest quite a lot of money if you _really_ want to expand your A1200. It's fun to do, though, and you will end up with very nice machine.
I have added tons of expansions myself and am running OS3.9. I still have (and will keep it that way!) my A1200 in its original case and will definitely not towerize it. The drawback for me is that I cannot use a graphicscard and will have to make do with AGA, thus creating a bottleneck for my system. This can be remedied for a large part by using only 4 colours on your workbench. 256 colour Workbench does look better, though... :-)
Anyway, if you want to take a look at an expanded A1200, just whistle. Schellinkhout is just around the corner, and you can reach Enkhuizen from there on your wenkbrauwen... ;-)
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Here's a guy that did an internal cd-rom mod:
http://home.twcny.rr.com/wicksall/1200CDMod.html
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Can this be obtained without damaging the floppy frame?
haha, you do realize that CDROMs are larger than diskettes?
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Kerchow!
Luigi only follow ferraris!
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Hi, Well I personally would go for a CD-ROM
OS 3.9, and a bigger hard drive. Otherwise, get NSD patch
from Aminet, if you want to go with OS3.9. It can be a bit tricky, (from what I have heard)
but worked for me for 2 years. (OS 3.1, 8.5GB Seagate drive)
Many people have mixed feelings about OS 3.5/3.9, even I do.
If you want best game compatability, OS 3.9 can be trouble.
Oh, OctaMed SoundStudio has been mentioned in this thread, highly
recommended. I think it may be on Aminet, as well. At least
it was on one of my Aminet CD's.
For music, I am not sure if more fast RAM would help.
You need a graphic card...to free up Chip RAM (I do too!)
Hey everyone, the MOD player 'EaglePlayer' can store samples
in Fast RAM, can any music writing programs do this?
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Hay Jiffy,
actualy for everybody joining this topic!
When you feel bad or having the worst day of your week/life keep following this topic!
You will be laughing!
On the end I'll be stuck with a ferrari-red painted, with a woolen knitten cover Amiga 1200. :-P
I wonder what it will look like...hummmmmm.
Maybe I going to do some photo-shop art-work!
Soon on the Forum Pictures!
About you Jiffy.8-)
Enkhuizen is on the agenda!
I will make an appointment asap. ;-)