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Amiga.org specific forums => New User Introductions => Topic started by: tec68000 on August 06, 2006, 08:22:18 AM
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Hello, my name is Ryan. (As the title says).
I have joined this forum for a few reasons, but mainly one.
Years ago, when I was six or seven, my dad brought home an Amiga A1000 that he bought for me. Upon startup, it asked for a Kickstart disk, which we couldn't find one at any computer store within a 50-mile radius. Still, this computer intrigued me. Not even a week later, The Amiga was gone. I wasn't happy, as it was my first mouse-driven computer, and I had been using an Apple II since soon before I learned to walk. I knew that no disk we had would boot it, but yeah..that didn't matter. I still wish I had it. Nowadays I'd be able to actually use it, now that I know where to find the disks. But that's besides the point. Now, I've used emulation quite a bit, and have become pretty familiar with what an Amiga is like. I would really like to see a new Amiga enter the market, but by the looks of it, those who have the power to do this, make little to no effort. One day (after smoking quite a large amount of "tobacco"), everything came to me. A way to introduce a new Amiga onto the market, and actually have it catch on in the mainstream. So in my mind, I have a "concept" of a new Amiga system. And I don't mean stuff like Pegasos or AmigaOne. I mean an entirely new system, which I have not heard of anyone mentioning anything near what I have come up with. I joined this forum to discuss this idea of mine, and at the worst, it stays just an idea, and most likely I believe that is all it will be. I'm not the authority on all things computer related, such as hardware design and programming, but I have come up with my concept. Anyways, enough about this. I'll make a post explaining my concept when I can comfortably put it into words.
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Welcome to AOrg Ryan!
Curious about your ideas ;-)
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Hello Ryan,
Whatever you do, bring out old hardware parts! I want A3000 PSU's, zorro cards et al! :cry:
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Just to make sure, your family-name is NOT Czerwinski ?? :roll:
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Welcome !
So, tell us about your concept, please.
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Head over to www.amigaworld.net and write about it there too. If you're serious about it maybe you should contact hyperion for a discussion?
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Hello Ryan. Welcome to Amiga.org.
I'm interested in reading about your concept of a new Amiga system.
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redfox
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Hi Ryan.
Also I know that people that are doing hardware ar reading these pages so if you have any ideas in this area, they could comre true one day.
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You must share this idea of yours with us soon, Ryan.
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Spare us your ideas, Ryan, will you?
I'm fed up with speculators like you who want to resuscitate the amiga!
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monty wrote:
Spare us your ideas, Ryan, will you?
I'm fed up with speculators like you who want to resuscitate the amiga!
speculators like the guys who produced uae?
or aros?
or pegasos?
or usb adapters?
or pegasos?
or minimig?
or any of the other great things that have been done to keep the amiga community at their favorite machines.
or do you mean speculators like amiga inc, and you?
ps. what exactly is a speculator? is it one of those things that a gynacologist uses?
wait thats speculum. never mind
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Hey! Welcome to Amiga.Org :-)
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monty wrote:
Spare us your ideas, Ryan, will you?
I'm fed up with speculators like you who want to resuscitate the amiga!
gee, I'm overwhelmed by your positive attitude :roll:
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@monty
:roll:
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Come on guys. You really are hyperpositive like it is the first time that some one steps in tells a "nice" story.
This is like the "Look I have found a way to make lot`s of money without doing much work" things that pop up once in a while. I thought we all got used to it enough to just ignore it.
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Welcome to Amiga.org!
But come on, how can we take your idea seriously when you've admitted it was conceived under the influene?
Like, ya know.... "Dude you can hide your weed in there" :-)
Plaz
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First off, no my family name is not Czerwinski. (I don't know what the significance is in that). I just came here to put up some ideas, that's it. As for Hyperion, I'm not entirely sure that they would be of much help concerning this. Anyways, here is some of what I have to say.
From my perspective, in its prime, the Amiga was known for being the best computer to use for multimedia production, and games. Today, looking at current "Amiga" projects..I don't see either of those uses put much as a priority. Let's look here for example... To get on an Amiga of some sort.today's options involve the following...
1. Laying down a good chunk of change to track down an old A1200 or A4000, a PPC upgrade board for it, both are quite sluggish by todays's standards, and hunt down a copy of AmigaOS 3.9. In a nutshell, go through a hassle and pay more for a computer and even upgrade parts that were obsolete almost ten years ago.
2. Laying down an even larger chunk of change to get an AmigaOne or Pegasos motherboard, along with MorphOS or AmigaOS4, Which doesn't REALLY have much to use for multimedia production or gaming purposes. Or, in a nutshell...Paying around $700 or more for a system in which hardware specs were obsolete around four years ago. I wanted a Pegasos II, but I just couldn't fork that much out for something that old.
What is really needed, is a complete system, that you can just pull it out of the box, plug it in, and do your thing. Like the Amigas of old back in their day. What else is needed are the groundbreaking capabilites that the Amiga had way back when. We need something that outshines anything else you would ever consider for multimedia production, as well as gaming. It seems to me that the Amiga's focus has been lost over the years. Also, what could definetely help, is a new OS. I don't mean AmigaOS 3.9 or 4 or morphOS, or anything like that. I mean starting off from scratch. Something with a familiar interface of course, but that's it. And why not make it something that a Windows or Mac user would see and wish "Wow, I wish i had that." I've come up with further ideas for that too.
That is what I will tell you for now. There is much more, but I thought I'd give you a small taste of what I was cooking up.
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So, erm... your idea is to make something better than what is currently available?
Ok, so go away and do it.
Go off and design and produce the new hardware that is as groundbreaking as the Amiga was in '85, and then write the new OS from scratch that will make Mac and Windows users say 'Wow'. Oh, and you could write the Multimedia production software you were talking about too, since until your new computer has sold tens of millions of units, nobody else is going to be bothered to write it for you.
Of course by the time you've done all that (a conservative estimate would be 10 years, assuming you have a kick-ass development team and several hundred million dollars to spend on R&D before you even see 1 cent in revenue), the Mac and Windows machines/OS's are several generations down the line and make your new wonder machine look like a Commodore PET.
But at least then you can come back and tell us about it. Until then, your 'idea' is nothing. Sorry, but every man and his dog has 'ideas', it's implementing them that takes skill and vision.
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Lando wrote:
So, erm... your idea is to make something better than what is currently available?
Ok, so go away and do it.
Go off and design and produce the new hardware that is as groundbreaking as the Amiga was in '85, and then write the new OS from scratch that will make Mac and Windows users say 'Wow'. Oh, and you could write the Multimedia production software you were talking about too, since until your new computer has sold tens of millions of units, nobody else is going to be bothered to write it for you.
Of course by the time you've done all that (a conservative estimate would be 10 years, assuming you have a kick-ass development team and several hundred million dollars to spend on R&D before you even see 1 cent in revenue), the Mac and Windows machines/OS's are several generations down the line and make your new wonder machine look like a Commodore PET.
But at least then you can come back and tell us about it. Until then, your 'idea' is nothing. Sorry, but every man and his dog has 'ideas', it's implementing them that takes skill and vision.
Everything starts with a dream. Tell me what YOU have done to brighten the future for the Amiga?
I've already begun work on the OS. A large amount of work on the new OS has already been done. It's nowhere near complete, but it's nowhere near "nothing". As for a lot of the hardware, there is some currently-existing technology out there that can be utilised in new ways. Hardware production will be the biggest struggle.
If you ever have a dream about doing something great, remind me to piss all over it, in the same fashion you have.
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Hi Ryan,
Don't let the negative attitude of some people piss you off too much. You are bound to find responses of all kinds here, so just ignore the crap, take any constructive comments and criticsm you get and continue with your dreams.
Not all of us are going to agree with your concepts and ideas, but I for one will defend your right to express them.
Lando, go read the posting guidlines for this site and get off Ryan's back. If you want to criticize his ideas, at least wait until he has fully explained them and the work he has already done to make his dream a reality.
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@tec68000
First off, Welcome to our community!
I am very interested in seeing the Amiga make a comeback, however, Apple Macintosh and propritory systems have taken the video industry away from the Amiga, although I am willing to bet that smaller TV stations still use Video Toasters and some smaller school districts for sure. The problem is that Final Cut Pro is really very good and it will be hard to compete with Apple in this industry.
I think if we could modernize the OS (much like Apple did) then the possibility of revitalizing the platform is very good. I do think that the "retro" side will remain the retro side, but it would not hurt to have a good UNIX based modern version of AmigaOS that would run on modern hardware!
Too bad none of us has the rights to the software :-(
Anyways, I think that it is good to have a dream! And I also believe that your positive attitude and opinions should be heard and while some will disagree with your point of view, I think all people's opinion should be treated with respect. SO please do post your ideas, you never know who might just see it!
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irishmike wrote:
@tec68000
I think if we could modernize the OS (much like Apple did) then the possibility of revitalizing the platform is very good. I do think that the "retro" side will remain the retro side, but it would not hurt to have a good UNIX based modern version of AmigaOS that would run on modern hardware!
Too bad none of us has the rights to the software :-(
A UNIX-like foundation is one thing I had in mind, and is one thing I have been working on. However, what needs to be done next is the composition of something a bit more sophisticated than X11. The hardware is going to be the real kicker though...(let's just say, some people wouldn't even call it a computer)...Although, to look from a different point of view, what I really have in mind...well PM me and I'll tell you more.
By the way, software rights shouldn't be an issue.
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@ tec68000
Maybe I can explain the generally cold reaction to your proposal. To tell you the truth, someone comes along here with a brilliant idea just like yours every couple of months. It sounds great on paper until you realize that it has no specifics behind it. Most of these people we never hear from again. So far, only Dennis (of MiniMig fame) and one other developer have managed to produce working prototypes (and they're "just" creating reimplementations of the original Amigas).
Basically, morale is low after years of "wouldn't it be awesome if..." and "this will revolutionize everything" and "here's what Hyperion should do" and "this should be the new Amiga", plus the occasional outright scam. There's even cynicism over announcements from already established professional developers. We've heard it all before with close to no results.
So by all means enjoy the personal enrichment of developing your own system, but be aware that it's probably a lot harder than you initially thought to produce a state-of-the-art system with a one-man operation.
At any rate, please consider staying with the Amiga as a software developer. We could sure as hell use you.
Welcome, and good luck.
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Okay, maybe it will make things easier to swallow for some people if I tell you this..
What I've come up with has very little to do with an actual Amiga of any sort. In short, it's not even an Amiga. Think of it as more Amiga-inspired...but then again, you could also say that it's just as inspired by an Atari ST as well.
So no, I'm not trying to really make a new Amiga. So far, I'm in the beginning stages of piecing together an OS, for something SIMILAR in purpose to what an Amiga was back in the late eighties. Yeah, it would be cool to call it an Amiga, but who really cares what it's called. I have no interest in using a single piece of hardware, or a single line of program code you would find in any incarnation of Amiga. A similar interface, and perhaps the porting of UAE would be the most that it would ever have to do with an Amiga. It would not be Amiga compatible in any way, shape, or form. At the very least, it will all just end up being an advanced UNIX-based operating system that caters to those familiar with an Amiga, but underneath the GUI, it's 100% UNIX.
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Most of us will wish you good luck on any work that could bring any good news to the amiga community. But you have to understand that for years people have been coming to this and other amiga forums with projects, hopes, dreams and vapor that for one reason or another never materialize. The skepticism runs very high in amiga land, and in a few cases it's down right nasty. If you have a good idea, get to work, get it done, and good luck. Spring the good news on us when you have demos to show. Otherwise it might be better to keep the planning stages to yourself just for the sake of your sanity.
Plaz
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Perhaps the problem with all those individual ideas is that they can't be done all alone. Perhaps a group of fanatiscs with all special talent/skills can form a group and produce something. And this also requires some management.
It all starts with a dream, and the realisation requires time and effort.
If you have an idea, write down your goal and the steps required to get there. It will open the eyes for both pessimists and optimists. :-D
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Welcome Ryan..
Are you sure that was a large amount of "Tobacco" you were smoking the day when everything came to you? :lol:
Seriously though. Feel free to post your ideas, hopes, and dreams for the Amiga here. When it comes to a new Amiga, It could be all people will ever have.
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So no, I'm not trying to really make a new Amiga. So far, I'm in the beginning stages of piecing together an OS, for something SIMILAR in purpose to what an Amiga was back in the late eighties. Yeah, it would be cool to call it an Amiga, but who really cares what it's called. I have no interest in using a single piece of hardware, or a single line of program code you would find in any incarnation of Amiga. A similar interface, and perhaps the porting of UAE would be the most that it would ever have to do with an Amiga. It would not be Amiga compatible in any way, shape, or form. At the very least, it will all just end up being an advanced UNIX-based operating system that caters to those familiar with an Amiga, but underneath the GUI, it's 100% UNIX.
So basically you say that you will write a new UNIXisch OS for the (hoho wild guess) upcoming PS3. It will have nothing to do with Amiga at all apart from the fact that it will just be great. Maybe an UAE if it has to be, but that`s it.
Well this might be nice, this might even work, but it is completely uninteresting to the Amiga community.
You must know some people in the community we are talking about complain that they just can`t stick an old A500 disk into an AOne or Peg and run the old games just off the disk. And here you go an tell that you absolutely can`t use anything at all anymore on the new wondermachine apart maybe from running it on UAE.
Heck you can run UAE on a fridge today, and that hardware has a cool design by defenition.
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I find it interesting. By the way could you submit some screengrabs of your new OS? Because you said you had a yet working version somewhere.
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O.k. lets put it nall together:
- you are not the authority on all things computer related, such as hardware design and programming,
- that doesn't stop you from claiming to work on an OS, making progress even
- further on you had this to say : "What is really needed, is a complete system, that you can just pull it out of the box,", something we all knew for years, just like most of us knew that it would cost several million $
- you ask for "a start from scratch"-approach, where a completly new OS would be labeled AmigaOS, but actually you don't even want label it Amiga
- you talk about dreams, but forget that those who fullfilled their dreams didn't babble about it, they jsut did is.
- next thing you do is talking about YANO (yet another *nix OS), well o.k. theres plenty of those out there, atleast one even done by someone with a famous Amiga-past. But yet he didn't come around here and made a fool out of himself.
Hmm, did I forget anything ?
Conclusion:
a) you are pulling our legs, and are trying how obvious it can get before even the last Amigian stops swallowing it (also known as the Troika-paradigma).
b) you really believe the stuff you write, in which case I wouldn't be suprised if you'd started babbling bout exekernels and astrology.....
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@tec68000
Hey, I support you all the way..........any Idea is a good idea......thats where it begins!
Nevertheless, I would encourgae you to use your ideas for an already good existing one.,......the AMIGA! all that has to happen is all these ideas of different people, be combined into one company.............and YES, we do care if it is called Amiga!
Personally I dont care if someone invents a Computer for $500 that can travel through time........I want an AMIGA! alot of us are gettting old and dont want to start all over again...for that I will invest in Apple.
We are all dying to see an Amiga! Most certainly because of your inspiration.I would hire someone like you.
If only Amiga knew how incredibly easy it is to succeed....it is quite a breeze! they just dont know it because they are blinded by Technical terms of today (Convergence, SMartphones,Multithreading,) they think by putting these fancy words in that people will rush in..............we have heard it all before.
WHat Amiga Inc needs is: Are you ready for this?.........................An Amiga!
Well....whats an Amiga? An Amiga is A SUPER Potent Video Gaming Console, with a Keyboard and Superb OS, and is really a Computer that Multitasks and can throw Video around like no other........with HDTV Component OUT and S-Video OUT as NATIVE! more powerful than any in existence today,
Just like the A1000 was back then.
Whats the trick? PLUG and PLAY as some call it.
ever heard of Downloading a driver for a console? this is what Destroys the ease of use partially.
Just as you say..........Amiga's should be ready to use out of the box.no need for a monitor as HDTV will be native.
at least 4 joystick ports ( of a SUPER new kind) USB, COmpact FLash, BlueRay Drive, replaceable chips on the Mobo, and a Slot for Intel CPU's for full native running of Windows VISTA and MacOSX..................anything less than this.............will NOT succeed! it would be nice.........but will NOT succeed or surpass MAcs or PC's, which is really what is needed. Otherwise I would have purchased an AmigaONE long time ago.......as you can see...that failed miserably..........and I was 100% sure it would.
I would even dare recommend that you work on your UNIX to be for X86 processors, as this is where Amiga's future may have to be. Not that it should eb a PC......not at all. But an Amiga. Develop your unix to be ready to be implemented into a FUTURE AmigaOS. THats what I would say.
Having an Idea doesnt mean you have to be the one to put it out.....you may not be able to do that...but someon else has that skill......and its your job to work with them........thats how things get done.
Having an Excellent Idea is the start. and I believe the most important part of the success of what is to be. Of course it cant be done if its not manufactured either or if you dont have the money.
THis is where partners/Friends come in.......each one specializes in one thing...and as long as they do it to their best in accordance with th unified guidelines everyone agreed upon.....then its success ready to go..........all involved members must be Humble and willing to lose and be humbled. No Pride!!!!
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@leirbag28
Let's not forget that all this fantasy also needs MILLIONS OF DOLLARS!!
I mean , let's be a bit realistic here, Amiga Inc. doesn't have the money. Look at how much money Microsoft lost in launching the XBox and 360. After all these years the XBox is still not making a profit. The only reason this works is because MS has very deep pockets.
So launching a new computer system/console is NOT easy.
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firstly welcome aboard.
secondly , tobaccoo is bad for you! You should try cannabis, much nicer effect.
thirdly, nice dream it but come one... sobber up! The market has changed since the 80's and 90's, computers have evolved. You are describing a MAC. go get one, they are fun. If you don't like the MAC doenload LINUX and build a great unix box, nothing... this stuff has been done... too bad you did not have this dream in the 70's.... lots of people had that dream.
So what at this point i n time you want to come up with something better than linux or maxOSX come on , what is it that they don't have? :-)