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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: wolfstudio on July 16, 2006, 02:30:08 PM
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Hi, I have come back to the Amiga after many years of owning and using Amigas for mainly music. I started with a Amiga 500, then a 3000, to a 4000, where I took another direction.
Now , I have returned to a 4000 lately, but have some problems that I cannot seem to iron out.
The issue is that the system will not see the CD-ROM after I reformatted the hard drive with OS 3.1.
I purchased ASIMCDFS 3.1 and changed the CD-ROM even and still the system will not see the unit.
I have OS 3.9 to install, but as you see, this needs to be ironed out first.
I hope you knowledgeable folks can give me some insight as to what to try next.
It's good to be back!
Wolf
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Hey Wolf,
You say that after the format the drive is not seen by os3.1 right? So it did work before, and is yes what did you use IDEFIX or IDEFIX '97.
Some also prefer AmiCDFS from aminet (no costs) I hope you have acces to that source in some way.
Never forget that the cdrom could also be broken wich may cause in to not mounting the cd.
Greetings Henk
p.s. And welcome back
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If you're using the built in IDE on the A1200/A4000 you need an ATAPI driver (IDEFix, IDEMax, etc.). You can use the IDEFix demo from Aminet and then replace it with the built in atapi.device in OS3.9 once you get things installed.
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Hi Henk and thanks for replying!
When I bought the A4000 from a friend, it had a video toaster installed. I did not need or wish to buy the extra hardware, so he yanked the card. The CD-ROM did work at that point. When I took it home ,I found out that the CD-ROM did not work, so I bought OS3.1 thinking that a reformat would solve my problem. Not So!
I did try to install IDEFIX , but the installer (tool?)would not begin the installation. The OS3.1 and the ASIMCDFS3.1 did install with there installer because it ran off of the floppy disk. How do I get OS3.1 "installer"
to function correctly? Is there something I need to type in the start-up sequence?
Never had this problem on my old A3000 :-?
Wolf
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Hi adolescent,
I will try that(I'll try anything at this point!).
If I can get the OS3.1 "installer " to install, which has also been a problem.
Thanks for your reply and your help, I really appreciate it!
Wolf :-?
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"Installer" is a standard program used to run installation scripts. It is contained on the Install3.1 disk but unfortunately not copied to HDD during OS installation. So copy it manually to Sys:C and to Sys:Utilities (different scripts expect Installer to be in one or the other location, so copy it to both), then the IDEfix installer will run.
There is a new version of Installer on Aminet which is to prefer: http://www.aminet.net/package.php?package=util/misc/Installer-43_3.lha
Again, copy the Installer program to both Sys:C and Sys:Utilities.
When the installer lets you select your CD-ROM drive, use scsi.device as driver, not atapi.device. Then you have less hassle when removing IDEfix later.
Bye,
Thomas
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Hi Thomas,
I really appreciate the reply.
That all makes sense now.
I think I can now get on with my "Amiga life".
Thanks so much,
Wolf
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Hi Wolf, Welcome back to AO.
Wat did you do with the old Toaster card you pulled?
Regarding the CD drive not working did you check to make sure that the CD0 driver was located in the dos drivers drawer? this can be found in the storage folder.
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Hi Tony,
I bought the A4000 from a fellow by the name of Dan.
He pulled the board and might still have it. I think his web site is www.dansdeals.net
He has always been very active in the Amiga community as long as I've known him. A good guy to deal with too!
The CD0: driver is installed in the dos drivers drawer, but I have not been able to get back to the Amiga and install IDEFIX yet.
I am pretty confident that the "Fix" will do the job. I had some good help getting me this far from some helpfull people on this board.
Cheers,
Wolf
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I just fiddled around with the CDFS settings until it worked :-)
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IDEFix is not needed if you are using AsimCDFS, though it's important to clarify: Do you have Asim 3.1 or Asim 3.10? There's a big difference. Later branches of Asim 3.x definitely have a new driver for the 4000's built-in IDE port, but I'm not sure if 3.1 does.
The reason a new driver is needed is because the IDE driver in ROM - used by Workbench 3.1's default CD0 mountlist - doesn't support the ATAPI standards used by IDE CD drives. So you need a disk-based driver, and Asim has one. IDEFix offers another, but it gets a little messy when you upgrade to OS3.9 with the BoingBags.
The Asim installer should take care of everything for you. When it asks what kind of drive you're using, select ATAPI 1200/4000 (or similar). It'll offer to load SCSI Inquire to find your drive. Odds are it'll be asim_atapi.device, unit 1. Once Asim is installed, make sure your original Commodore CD0 mountlist is removed.
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Hi Matt,thanks for reply!
I will look to see what exact version of ASIMCDFS I have.(I'm at work presently.)
When I installed the ASIMCDFS software (from floppy disk)
it hung up when it searched for scsi or atapi device.(had to reboot.)I re-installed the software and did not let it search for the devices and it loaded fine. Although, it still hangs the system when searching for the devices.
Secoundly, the "install" tool was copied to the c: dir during the OS3.1 install, but when I tried to install IDEFIX97, " the install tool still would not perform the operation.
Do you think a system re-install is needed?
Wolf
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Wolf,
Do you have msn? if so ad me to it so i can help faster.
Gr Henk
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the "install" tool was copied to the c: dir during the OS3.1 install, but when I tried to install IDEFIX97, " the install tool still would not perform the operation.
"Install" is not what is needed, "Installer" is needed. "Install" writes a new boot block to a formatted floppy disk (same as "Sys" command on MS-DOS). "Installer" is the interpreter for installation scripts.
Bye,
Thomas
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Thanks for that clarification.
I need all the clarification I can get!
Thanks, Thomas
Wolf
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Thanks for invite, but I do not have MSN.
This forum is what I have.
All you folks have been very helpful so far,
I'm sure this will work out soon!
Cheers,
Wolf
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Hey Thomas,
is the "Installer tool" in the c: directory in the OS3.1
install disk?
Wolf
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>>The CD-ROM did work at that point. When I took it home ,I found out that the CD-ROM did not work,
So if I understand correctly it would appear that something happenned in transit that stopped the CD working. That would probably mean a knock or a bump had moved one of the cables. It maybe that whatever you install in the meantime will not get the drive working if a cable needs to be pushed into place. Turn the power off first. Good luck.
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my wild guess is that you don;t have the righ version as asimCDFS.
1,You should boot with 3.1 install disk.
2,format system: disk
3, launch 3.1 install
(this will give you are super clean install)
4, install asimCDFS unsing the installer in the asinCDFS disk
5, make sure to choose (atapi.d.., not scsi!)
(if the installer can't find your drive.
-make sure its connected right (power and ide)
-make sure the master/slaved setting are correct for your setup..
6, the insall should finish without error.
Otherwist try some of the other CDFS sytems out there, I have used asimCDFS for years no problems.....
make sure you make an emergency disk when you install 3.9....otherwise you may have to deal with this again!
Pierre
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is the "Installer tool" in the c: directory in the OS3.1
install disk?
No, it's in the root directory. Just enter
copy Install3.1:Installer c:
and
copy Install3.1:Installer sys:utilities
into a Shell window.
Bye,
Thomas
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Thanks for the reply, Angus.
Believe me, that was one of the first things I did.
I also swapped out the CD_ROM.
I think the problem is the installation of ASIMDCFS.
There have been a few gracious people on this board that are helping me out.
Cheers,
Wolf
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Hi Pierre,
Does it matter if the "slaved CDROM" is on the end connector of the 40 pin cable?
I know this makes a difference in the PC hardware.
Wolf :-)
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Thanks Thomas, I will try this approach this weekend.
Boy, the reason I got back into the Amiga was to utilize some of the music programs that the PC world has yet been able to match.
Many years ago, I had a A3000.What a great machine it was!
This A4000 is a different beast though!
I know once this initial setup is established, this will enhance my studio, like it once did.
Thanks again for your continued efforts! :-)
Wolf