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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Piru on July 13, 2006, 09:54:59 PM
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So, one suddenly realizes that one of the HDDs actually has unpartitioned and unused area on it. What to do? Boring solution would have been to partition the area for some more por^H^H^Hcontent.
Instead this is what I did:
I finally figured out how to set up Mac OS X for Pegasos. I also installed Debian/GNU Linux unstable with the latest kernel. When booting the system presents a nice menu to choose the OS to launch. By default, if no action is taken, it will boot into MorphOS.
(http://piru.dyndns.org/~p/pics/peg2-morphos-small.jpg) (http://www.iki.fi/sintonen/pics/peg2-morphos.jpg)
(http://piru.dyndns.org/~p/pics/peg2-macosx-small.jpg) (http://www.iki.fi/sintonen/pics/peg2-macosx.jpg)
(http://piru.dyndns.org/~p/pics/peg2-debian-small.jpg) (http://www.iki.fi/sintonen/pics/peg2-debian.jpg)
Mac OS X install is using Molk 0.7 (http://pegasos.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=71), the bootmenu is implemented with BootCreator (http://www.tbs-software.com/morgoth/projects.html).
Well, nothing new there really, but at least I can now impress some guests with the multiboot capability. :-)
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When I get a Peg, that'll be one of the first things I do. I love versatile hardware :-)
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Sigh, now I *really* want a PegII :-)
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How well does mac os X perform on a pegasos under emulation then??Very tempted to buy a pegasos aswell..
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@Gav
How well does mac os X perform on a pegasos under emulation then?
There is no 3D graphics acceleration, so graphics operations are the slowest part. Graphically intensive operations such as video playback are painful (more like slideshow, due to missing hardware acceleration).
The good news is that otherwise it runs pretty close to the native speed of the hardware (it doesn't do any CPU emulation after all). Thus it's slightly slower than 1GHz G4 Mac. My experience of the emulation is just 2 evenings so far, though.
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Nice screenshots Piru :-)
My Peg2 is running MOS, OSX Panther, and Ubuntu with 2.6.15 kernel. Also menu selectable at boot. However, I'm using MOLK micro kernel for Mac On Linux - Networking, sound, USB, DVD/CD burning works too! I run the following apps on OSX very nicely:
Photoshop 7
Lightwave 7
Comic Life
Firefox
IE
Remote Desktop
Xchat Aqua
Obelisk
Iphoto
Itunes (*with streaming)
and more...
what runs slow/unusable
Imovie
DVD playback
anything 3d related.
Also a Note: Ubuntu is Awesome on the peg2 and Installs from the PPC Install disk that works on the Mac too! It probably the easiest to use and most functions. Its great.
But, Of course the Best is Morphos which I use the most for doing graphics, IRC, surfing, music, and more!
You guys really should get a Peg2 its all the computer you need!
magnetic
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Does OS-X make heavy use of the GPU for the attractive filtering effects and animation (resizing/minimising etc.)?
How does this perform?
Thanks,
James
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@jmbattle
Does OS-X make heavy use of the GPU for the attractive filtering effects and animation (resizing/minimising etc.)?
Yes it does, and all these are done with CPU with MOL.
How does this perform?
All these effects are naturally slower than on a real Mac.
However, I must say I was quite surprised how well these effects perform still, even without GPU acceleration. For example the zoom effect on the panel is very snappy, no obvious slowdown is visible there. Minimizing windows to panel is slower (most of the time it's fullscreen effect), but it still isn't slow, it just drops frames, so it's a bit jumpy. It doesn't bother me, personally.
You can also disable these eyecandy effects if they bother you.
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You feel confortable when triple booting it...
While I just want to QUADRUPLE boot it...
Gimme OS 4.0 for Pegasooooooooos!
:boohoo: :-o :idea: :cry: :-P ;-)
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Raffaele
OS 4 for Pegasos is never going to happen. You can thank amiga Inc for this....
Besides, Morphos will serve all your Amiga needs. It is more robust than OS4 and has more legacy program compatiblity, better 68 Emulation with Trance, and has many native programs.
I remember when I got my first Peg, a Peg1. I had an Amiga 4000T PPC that I loved. After I got the peg I no longer really used the 4000T, just for Video Editing. Eventually, I sold it as the Pegasos and Morph did everything I did on the 4000T better and faster!
magnetic
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Well, lets just raise the bar a little bit ;)
Here on my Peg, there are six Boot options:
two linux flavours:
(http://www.oli-hummel.de/temp/screenshot/suse_th.png) (http://www.oli-hummel.de/temp/screenshot/suse.png)
nothing special, just a plain Suse kde desktop
(http://www.oli-hummel.de/temp/screenshot/ubuntu_th.png) (http://www.oli-hummel.de/temp/screenshot/ubuntu.png)
this is Ubuntu, with gnome desktop
two mac os flavours:
(http://www.oli-hummel.de/temp/screenshot/os9_th.png) (http://www.oli-hummel.de/temp/screenshot/os9.png)
the classic Mac OS, it is installed as my favourite party game, You dont know jack seems not to work properly with the classic part in OS X
(http://www.oli-hummel.de/temp/screenshot/osx_th.png) (http://www.oli-hummel.de/temp/screenshot/osx.png)
Well, just OS X ;)
and finally two err, Amiga flavours:
(http://www.oli-hummel.de/temp/screenshot/mos_th.png) (http://www.oli-hummel.de/temp/screenshot/mos.png)
MorphOS 1.4, with latest Ambient and so on, seen on several screenshots ;)
(http://www.oli-hummel.de/temp/screenshot/aos_th.png) (http://www.oli-hummel.de/temp/screenshot/aos.png)
Yes thats right, this is a screenshot from a plain OS 3.9 Installation, and my Peg boots directly into it ;)
The intersting thing might be, contrary to molk, the underlying os is here not linux, boot indeed a stripped Morphos
(it is about 5 MB currently, and still has space for removing stuff) thus is booting pretty fast into uae ;)
However, as there is no PPC Jit for UAE everything is a bit slow compared to the real 060 Amiga I have here, not to speak
about X86 UAE Setups. Nevertheless it is working, it is fun and hey who knows perhaps I will boot into C64 one day too ;)
And maybe some day the OS Versions of Solaris and BeOs are available for the Pegs too, so I am sure my Bootmenu will grow ;)
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@Blade
:-P
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@Magnetic
:ponder: :roll:
@Piru
Cool :-)
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I'm impressed Blade! Where are you located? I have recently considered buying a Pegasos.
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Well done Piru! I have OS X Tiger, MophOS 1.4.5, Ubuntu and Gentoo all running froma menu at startup on my Pegasos II as well! You have to love the Pegasos. It simply is the best computer system ever made as far as I can see. If hardware GPU was supported it would be an awesome Mac, however the speed OS X gets is perfect and is no less then using a older mac that doesnt have Wuartz Extreme support. Say a Powerbook G3 Pismo for example, Its actually faster then one of those.
Its a shame we cant have OS4 in them as well. They would run it quite well.
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amigadave:
Sorry, I am afraid its a bit far, I am from Germany, this would be a huge Trip
just for a Pegasos visit ;)
Regarding the Peg, this month it is 3 years since I have a Peg (*sigh*, as time goes by ;))
started with a Peg 1, upgraded to a Peg2, and never regret it.
It is a nice little machine and MorphOS is fun too :)
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Acill wrote:
If hardware GPU was supported it would be an awesome Mac, however the speed OS X gets is perfect and is no less then using a older mac that doesnt have Wuartz Extreme support. Say a Powerbook G3 Pismo for example, Its actually faster then one of those.
Yeah even the first 400-500Mhz Powerbook G4 Titaniums only had ATI Rage cards which are unsupported by Quartz Extreme or Core Image. I am using a 2001 G3 iBook (ATI Rage 128) while my MBP is away at Apple getting fixed. It doesn't support either. OS X on the Pegasos is a lot faster than on either the iBook G3 or the 8MB VRAM Powerbook G4's.
Its a shame we cant have OS4 in them as well. They would run it quite well.
Why can't you? :-? I don't understand why people are quite happy to break Apple's EULA by running OS X on unlicensed hardware (be it A1 or Peg) but when it comes to running OS4 on unlicensed hardware they get all moralistic. There is no difference.
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I don't understand why people are quite happy to break Apple's EULA by running OS X on unlicensed hardware (be it A1 or Peg) but when it comes to running OS4 on unlicensed hardware they get all moralistic. There is no difference.
I don't think OS4 will run on Pegasos. It would probably need a patch, and then you'd have to get hold of a copy of OS4 (which isn't available for purchase, so you'd have to use an illegal hack.)
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@Lando
There is no difference.
Mac OS X is available for purchase though, that's the difference I can see.
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Piru wrote:
@Lando
There is no difference.
Mac OS X is available for purchase though, that's the difference I can see.
A good point well made.
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Yup, thats it. You cant buy OS4 so you cant install it. I am sure once its released it will get it, if it ever gets released. I would have no moral issues buying a copy if I had a way to install it on my unlicensed Pegasos!
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@Blade (where did you leave the "runner" ??)
So thats OS3.9 running in UAE ?
Reminds me of when my Peg1 was new, and I wanted to transfer files from the A4k the fastes possible way (no USB and no Net at that time). Added the A4000's HD to the Peg, switched it on....
... and was creeted by lovley 3.9 :-o :-o :-o
The trick must have had something to do with that HD having an extremly high boot-pri :crazy:
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@Kronos
Ummmm, how??? Pegasos is a PPC system, but Amiga Workbench is a 68k OS :-?
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moto
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@motorollin
Sure, but ......
The OF will just load boot.img (I think it was MOS1.0 or maybe 1.1) from the normal MOS-HD.
That will get the ABox going, which then searches for bootable FFS or SFS formated drives, and boot the one with the highest pri.
In my case that was the DH0: partition on the A4000-HD.
The only think that suprised me that it survided "setpatch", but that did probraly check the version and thought "wtf v50 ?? I'm only v45.xxx .... someone is doing a prank on me !! I'm on strike !!!!"
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But the boot.img doesn't contain the 68k emulator which would be needed for AOS3.9, right?
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Ummmm, how??? Pegasos is a PPC system, but Amiga Workbench is a 68k OS
In practise it was MorphOS but running 68k stuff from Amiga HD (like Workbench). It was not using 68k Kickstart image or anything like that...
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@DJBase
But the boot.img doesn't contain the 68k emulator which would be needed for AOS3.9, right?
static 68k emulation is inside the boot image, the JIT is not.
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@Piru
static 68k emulation is inside the boot image, the JIT is not.
Ok, thanks for clearing this.
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Very nice, now I want a Pegasos 2 too :-)
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Kronos:
The "runner" got lost, cause I once forgot the old passwort and
somehow didnt get the password reminder working.
Well was to lazy and simply registered a new account
(Is a while ago, IIRC the old Bladerunner which I never
used anyway is now gone)
Regarding 3.9 yes it is running inside UAE, cause if
I would run it directly on top of MOS, I would loose
AGA and such, it is actually just for gaming and fun
purposes (but I think I will downgrade to an ordinary
3.1 again, 3.9 is a bit problematic with some games
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I think you can have multiple istances of UAE...
One using OS 3.9, and another using 3.1
So then instead of seven OSes, then you can have eight OSes running on your Pegasos.