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Title: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: mrbill317 on July 03, 2006, 05:13:51 PM
Do I just get a video card or is there a drop in solution?

can the 030 25mhz be upgraded without a accelerator?
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: Wayne on July 03, 2006, 05:23:29 PM
the A3000 can't be upgraded to AGA on any way
you can get a gfx card instead I recommend a picasso 4
and maybe you can upgrade that 030 to a 030/50mhz but not sure...anyways the best solution is 060 turboboard

bye, Laser
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: mrbill317 on July 03, 2006, 06:00:23 PM
Picasso IV is hard to find. :(
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: Crumb on July 03, 2006, 06:24:59 PM
Buy a CyberVision64 (but not the "3D" model).

It is very fast, it's Zorro3-pure, includes a monitor switcher as standard, includes a jumper to choose Buster11 or previous versions and is very nice :-)
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: mrbill317 on July 03, 2006, 06:30:50 PM
Cool, ok is anyone selling a Cybervision?
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: doctorq on July 03, 2006, 06:37:52 PM
I'll trade an A4k for your A3k if you need AGA :-D
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: ricco32097 on July 03, 2006, 07:59:50 PM
doctorq -> Aren't you the guy on Amiga.dk that sells junk and have people complaining? *LOL*  
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: doctorq on July 03, 2006, 08:20:54 PM
@ricco32097

Nah, one person complained unjustified. Junk I have never sold.
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: ricco32097 on July 03, 2006, 08:28:33 PM
doctorq -> I might have got it wrong then. Something about an A4000 with an 040 25 MHz, and the motherboard was messed up but you forgot to tell the buyer.

EDIT: 3.34PM (14.34) It was something I heard long time ago. It is none of my business, I am not going to buy anything from you anyways. Sorry
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: doctorq on July 03, 2006, 08:31:26 PM
@ricco32097

Yes, you have gotten something messed up. I sold him a system, with the battery removed and damaged clock circuit. I made him aware of that at least a couple of times already before he bought the setup.
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: doctorq on July 03, 2006, 08:53:27 PM
@ricco32097

Why make judgment on "something" you have heard, and put me in a bad light without no reason and no personal experience? And focusing on one persons unjustified attack and forget about the positive feedback in the exact same thread? I have never forced anyone to buy anything from me, and never will.

Don't be sorry that you don't buy anything from me, you won't be missed.
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: ricco32097 on July 03, 2006, 09:14:11 PM
doctorq -> I just don't get it. If he was aware of the problems with your hardware, why did he complain when he received the goods?
That seems weird.

Seriously, I doubt you have lost any potential customer. With almost 1,300 written messages on the forum, you are well known. I am sorry that I wrote, it was not meant as an attack. If you feel that I have done you any wrong I apologize. It started out as a joke.

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Don't be sorry that you don't buy anything from me, you won't be missed.

So, you are saying you do sell junk Amiga equipment. Do I smell Retrogeek, *lol*

After being burned to many times I have completely stopped buying used hardware.
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: motorollin on July 03, 2006, 09:14:50 PM
@mrbill
You should be aware that upgrading to a gfx card like CyberGraphics or Picasso will not allow you to run AGA software. There is no way to do that on an A3000. The only Amigas which will run AGA software are the A1200, the A4000 and the CD32.

--
moto
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: doctorq on July 03, 2006, 09:36:34 PM
@ricco32097

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I just don't get it. If he was aware of the problems with your hardware, why did he complain when he received the goods?
That seems weird.


Your guess is as good as mine. He bought the setup where the motherboard was fixed at Amiga Repair Center in France (except the clock circuit problem was not fixed). After he busted the first mortherboard in an attept to replace a chip, he bought a replacement motherboard with the same error. Both had the clock circuit problem, and he was aware of it, and was made aware of it before purchasing. A year after he bought the setup, he posted a personal attack on a public danish Amiga forum. My best guess as to why he did it was because he was upset that he couldn't buy a CSMK3 and a CV64/3D for around 100 USD from me.

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Seriously, I doubt you have lost any potential customer. With almost 1,300 written messages on the forum, you are well known. I am sorry that I wrote, it was not meant as an attack. If you feel that I have done you any wrong I apologize. It started out as a joke.


You can never know. You have heard "something" that happend on a public danish forum, so by that you judge me, based on one person badmouthing me. In the same thread there are at least 5 other people giving me positive feedback, but these things is something you haven't heard of. The same thing will happend now; the 1 negative thread available, ruin at least 10 positive. People focus on the negative and not on the positive. In the end it's a pretty bad joke if you ask me.

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So, you are saying you do sell junk Amiga equipment. Do I smell Retrogeek, *lol*

After being burned to many times I have completely stopped buying used hardware.


No, I say that because I'm not interested in dealing with people that already have a negative attitude towards me. Sorry for you being burned when buying used hardware, it happens for everyone, my self included.
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: ricco32097 on July 03, 2006, 10:47:49 PM
doctor q ->
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Sorry for you being burned when buying used hardware, it happens for everyone, my self included.
So, you just sell your busted hardware to someone else.

Last year, I paid good money for a motherboard, that was supposed to work. Similar listed like yours
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'as working, no further testing has been made' (from your web page)
 and when the board arrived, it looked like someone had spilled a coke on it. It did not work, no refund. I still have the board.

"Can't we just all get along" and not sell busted hardware to each other?
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: TjLaZer on July 03, 2006, 11:03:39 PM
There is nothing wrong with selling "busted" hardware, as long as the parties involved are aware of it!  Some people fix the broken boards or use the chips etc.  I don't see that anything wrong was done from doctor q.  Amiga 4000 motherboards are hard to find, and expensive at that.  Besides his board worked; just the RTC did not, and it is not needed for operation.  I remember seeing his posts and he was honest and up front with the condition of the board.  Why Amiga Center was not able to fix it, I don't know...

Back on topic, the only way to make a A3000 AGA is to get the rare 3000+ motherboard!! ;)
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: doctorq on July 03, 2006, 11:09:44 PM
@ricco32097

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Sorry for you being burned when buying used hardware, it happens for everyone, my self included.
So, you just sell your busted hardware to someone else.


Why are you twisting my words? By being burned I mean loosing money on equipment that never shows up, but we apparently have a different view on being burned. Bottem line, I don't sell busted hardware.

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Last year, I paid good money for a motherboard, that was supposed to work. Similar listed like yours
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'as working, no further testing has been made' (from your web page)
 and when the board arrived, it looked like someone had spilled a coke on it. It did not work, no refund. I still have the board.


Well, sorry for your misfortune, but what has that got to do with me? You are taking things out of a context so it matches what you want to say, instead of dealing with the facts. In fact it looks like the same method as the one badmouthing me on the danish forum used. The quote you are refering too is like this

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Shows up in early boot menu as working, no further testing has been made.


I have had the card plugged into my Amiga, looked if it was listed as defective or not in the early boot menu, and not done any further testing as I have plenty of other things to do, than testing equipment I originally listed for sale for 15 EURO. I'm selling it as is on ebay, because the card is untested, and not because it's dead.

In case the board doesn't sell on ebay, the card is binned, as I have nothing to use it for, as software emulation is faster on my machines than the chip on the emulator board can provide.

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"Can't we just all get along" and not sell busted hardware to each other?


Who are selling busted hardware?

Anyway, since you are just twisting words and are taking things out of context, I see no point in discussing it further.
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: carls on July 03, 2006, 11:10:11 PM
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ricco32097 wrote:
(...) I have completely stopped buying used hardware.


n/m, mixing up posts
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: doctorq on July 03, 2006, 11:12:50 PM
@TjLaZer

Thanks for the support.

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Why Amiga Center was not able to fix it, I don't know...


I was wondering that myself when I got the boards home. Only thing that changed was that the Save button in the Time prefs wasn't ghosted any longer, and apparently that was seen as a working clock circuit at Amiga Repair Center.
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: ricco32097 on July 03, 2006, 11:22:02 PM
doctor q -> So, is it not true that you bought a burned DVD with illegal scanned material? Or, am I twisting your words again?
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: carls on July 03, 2006, 11:27:33 PM
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ricco32097 wrote:
doctor q -> So, is it not true that you bought a burned DVD with illegal scanned material? Or, am I twisting your words again?


Ahh, nothing like a nice evening at home in front of the computer together with the trolls.
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: doctorq on July 03, 2006, 11:33:07 PM
@ricco32097

What's that got to do with it? Now you are taking statements from other people, with actions I have done, and ask if you are twisting my words again. What's the point in that, when it's not even my statement?

I bought a DVD with scans of danish Amiga magazines that doesn't exist any longer, but that will be my own headache in case the copyright holders go after me. But what that has got to do with your first accusations of me selling busted hardware, I honestly can't see.

Please, if you want to discuss it further, create a thread with your personal vendetta, instead of taking of focus from the original posters questions as this is completely off topic.
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: Argus on July 04, 2006, 12:37:52 PM
I bought something from doctorq once and he was up-front about the condition of the hardware so he is honest.  Enough of the badmouthing around here, TjLazer is right about used hardware (i.e. I wanted the chips).  Caveat emptor, the stuff is *at least* ten years or so old now.  Be prepared to spend money to repair stuff, especially failure prone equipment like A4000Ds and A3000Ds with leaky batteries or DCE CyberstormPPCs with bad chips (JJB is the only guy I know who can repair stuff like this, he fixed a CyberstormMKIII I bought that wouldn't boot so he's legit, A1 operation).  Of course, sellers should always be as honest and up front as possible, especially given the crazy bidding prices on auction sites for Amiga gear right now.

Back on topic: the only way to add AA or AGA to an A3000 is the C= way (replace the mainboard with the AA3000 or A3000+ motherboards).  They exist (though rare) and are drop in replacements with the same form factor as the desktop A3000.  Reputedly they work just like an A4000 but with SCSI rather than IDE. Too bad Commodore got cheap in the end when switching over to surface mount technology and released the A4000 instead.
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: Nitro on July 04, 2006, 01:06:02 PM
@ rico32097 and to whom it may concern
FOR THE RECORD:  I have done bussiness with doctorq, and it was a professional transaction.  Everything was packaged nice and there was fast delivery.

@ Mrbill317
Well there is always the option to get a Mediator PCI 3000D with Voodoo, or S3 ViRGE, but that runs about 300 Euro.
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: Wayne on July 04, 2006, 03:10:29 PM
hey..what kind of discussion is that off topic?

ah ....but is doctorq
the famous doctorq
he is a famous pirate from Denmark
his real name is Lechuck Barba negra
and he is well know by the police of Denmark to sell
defective hardware to inocent people
and he was in prision lot of years ago

ah yes get ready people

bye, Laser
 
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: doctorq on July 04, 2006, 04:28:06 PM
@Laser

What are you up to? Joined up with ricco32097 to spread lies?
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: Tricky on July 04, 2006, 04:36:19 PM
Will an A1200 motherboard fit inside an A3000 case?

(I do realise this is a very silly solution...)
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: Linchpin on July 04, 2006, 05:12:49 PM
Guys please - Can we get this thread back on topic?

Thanks

Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: gazgod on July 04, 2006, 05:13:40 PM
I have bought quite a few items from doctorq and i've always found it a pleasant experiance. I wouldn't hesitate to buy something from him again. :-D

ricco32097 > Is this some form of personal vendeta? Or have you bought faulty hardware off him?

Gaz
Title: Re: How can an A3000 be upgraded to use AGA?
Post by: Marco on July 04, 2006, 05:19:13 PM
[Comicbookstore-guy voice]Must! Keep! Thread! On Topic![/Comicbookstore-guy voice]

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Tricky wrote:
Will an A1200 motherboard fit inside an A3000 case?

(I do realise this is a very silly solution...)


Probably not, the 1200 mobo is very long and narrow, while the 3000 is quite boxy in arrangement. Maybe if you were to slice off everything to the right of the accelerator port (i.e. cut off the silicon holding the mouse/joystick ports) then it might but I don't know the dimensions. Also you'd have to figure out how to mount it as the mounting screws will be in completely different places.

N.B. I whole heartedly discourage mutilating A1200s, and if you must try this, try and get ahold of a revision 1D4 or 2B board as the 1D4 boards are missing part of the board anyway (one of the ports just hangs on a cable) and the 2B boards are actually 2 pieces of silicon which look like they can be detached.