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Title: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: mrbill317 on June 24, 2006, 02:31:29 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Amiga-1200-Blizzard-PPC-240-68060-50-Mhz-BVision-PPC_W0QQitemZ280001032220
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: dillinger on June 24, 2006, 04:02:31 AM
err, no, it's not. I saw a BPPC/060 go for £330 recently. Bvisions sell for around £70. So that's £400 before you even have a tower case (elbox sell those for £150), keyboard interface (another £30), A1200 motherboard, harddrive, etc. Plus, you always pay a slight premium on eBay for "Buy It Now" items, so £550 may seem expensive to you and I but in reality that's around the price you should expect to pay if you want those rare retro items from eBay.

Prices have sky rocketed for Amiga PPC h/w recently simply due to high demand and extremly low supply. That's the way free-markets work. No point whinging about it.
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: CLS2086 on June 24, 2006, 07:06:57 PM
That's right.
I got a quite similar configuration 2 years ago just for the third because there was no such demand.
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: Nitro on June 24, 2006, 07:33:22 PM
Yep, Blizzard-PPC doesn`t come cheap.  People will pay that much for them, if they want one.  I seen a card go on ebay for 900 euro.  It would be good to have these cards re-produced today at a low cost.
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: Narayan on June 24, 2006, 07:38:29 PM
It's a fair price, 2000 DEM, a regular PC doesn't have the 68060 power, plus the PPC (if it works). It's a beast, it's only that it's really ugly in that case.

Everything else is mindless, and nowadays just aren't 1000$ per A1200 with a 68060 days.
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: Legerdemain on June 24, 2006, 09:02:28 PM
Uhm, naaah...  I think it is a pretty fair price.

I would have liked to see some Mediator included, though, because I would see that as an essential upgrade if I bought that set (if it would have been included I would have considered bidding, that is the only reason for me even mentioning it).



Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: weirdami on June 24, 2006, 10:26:08 PM
@mrbill317

Were there really 316 mrbill's before you?
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: d0pefish on June 24, 2006, 11:26:02 PM
I paid roughly £430 for a Cyberstorm PPC/233 + 060/50 and a CyberVision PPC combined, which was pretty decent. They're not that easy to find.

Though it has to be said, they are worth every penny to me. :-) I really enjoy using my Amiga with these upgrades.
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: Lando on June 25, 2006, 06:10:46 AM
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mrbill317 wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Amiga-1200-Blizzard-PPC-240-68060-50-Mhz-BVision-PPC_W0QQitemZ280001032220


That's unbelievable.  The worst part is there's a chance someone may pay it - I've seen some crazy prices on Amiga stuff, generally between 10 to 50 times what you'd pay for the same hardware for a Mac or PC.
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: jimbo100 on June 25, 2006, 07:54:09 AM
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dillinger wrote:
err, no, it's not. I saw a BPPC/060 go for £330 recently.


That doesn't mean its priced right.  Its old hardware and if people are silly enough to pay that, more fool them.

Another silly ebay buy it now
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/paravision-sx1-and-fmv-8-meg-ram-130meg-hd-amiga-cd32_W0QQitemZ104751986879QQihZ020QQcategoryZ98930QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: xeron on June 25, 2006, 08:51:08 AM
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Lando wrote:
That's unbelievable.


Expensive, yes, but unbelievable? I don't know. PPC cards have always gone for silly money. The important thing to remember is that something is only worth what someone will pay for it. As long as people are prepared to pay lots of money for Amiga stuff, it'll continue to sell for lots of money.

Personally, I've payed a lot of money on Amiga stuff, but I don't mind. Its only money, and I enjoy using the stuff I've bought a lot.
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: BinoX on June 25, 2006, 10:56:41 AM
It's not a bad price for a whole system... I just paid £250 for a BPPC at 233MHz... Only got an 040 though.. but that's OK :) I got an 060 A4000 if I wanna play classic games :)

Edit: Typo
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: alexh on June 25, 2006, 06:21:39 PM
Yeah, but look who is selling it. Martin Flash, inverse Robin Hood, buy's from the poor, sells to the rich :)
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: MaDDuck on June 25, 2006, 06:28:54 PM
I'd have to agree, that is a fair price, hopefully it won't go too much higher!!

It seems steep, only because for US$800, you could get a better equiped Mac or even a winclone if you so desired.

So for what it is, yes- it is a good deal!
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: Chain on June 25, 2006, 07:11:45 PM
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alexh wrote:
Yeah, but look who is selling it. Martin Flash, inverse Robin Hood, buy's from the poor, sells to the rich :)


 :evil:  Looks funny, but its true :madashell:
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: BinoX on June 25, 2006, 07:34:31 PM
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alexh wrote:
Yeah, but look who is selling it. Martin Flash, inverse Robin Hood, buy's from the poor, sells to the rich :)


ROFL! inverse robin hood... That's a good one
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: ironfist on June 25, 2006, 10:36:31 PM
Jimbo:
That SX-1 auction includes the rare FMV. I sold the FMV with
manuals and original box for 202 USD last fall on eBay.

Sure, 300 GBP sounds abit too much but someone will probably
buy it.
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: itix on June 25, 2006, 11:02:22 PM
It is not bad price. Three years ago I sold my BPPC and BVision for 200e (about 140 GBP) and it was the cheapest possible BPPC (040/25+603/175).

This one sold in eBay has got 060/50+603/240 and both BPPC and BVision cards are getting rare...

There is one error though. It should read BPPC/BVision with A1200 rather than A1200 with BPPC/BVision :-P

Should add it probably would sell better in parts than all parts together. I find it unlikely anyone would buy a complete system in 2006...
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: Markus_Bieler on June 25, 2006, 11:40:45 PM
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That SX-1 auction includes the rare FMV. I sold the FMV with
manuals and original box for 202 USD last fall on eBay.


But it has ro be said, that a SX-1 with 8MB Fastmem won't work together with the FMV-Modul. The FMV will take away 4MB Fastmem-space for his own memory.

AND you need a stong PSU with both expansions connected.

3rdly. The price is IMHO to high

Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: SHADES on June 26, 2006, 12:32:43 AM
@ thread,

I agree, it's way too expensive for what it is.
I agree it's the way of the free market.
I agree, supply is low, demand is high, prices become inflated.

I would not buy one, I'd run an emulator. HW is better, faster and will do more under emulation. Sad but true.

Ok, I'd buy one via proxy lol! I'd feel sorry for the proxy though ;)
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: coldfish on June 26, 2006, 04:15:16 PM
Its worth whatever people will pay.  

Leave it to the mad collectors.
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: BinoX on June 26, 2006, 05:03:41 PM
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coldfish wrote:
Leave it to the mad collectors.


You called? ;)
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: coldfish on June 29, 2006, 05:15:44 AM
You're MAD!

 ;-)
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: ZXoney on June 30, 2006, 04:33:15 AM
 I would love to see someone make these old PPC cards again, I'm sure they would make a pretty good lick!
 I think the prices are way to high too but, I wanted a PPC for my A4000D and look here http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8827401836&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1

So If I was crazy enough to pay that then.. You can't really say that, if people will pay crazy prices for that stuff(like me) then ole' well...  :crazy:
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: MAD on June 30, 2006, 05:58:49 AM
Hoya!

Boy I wish I had the money! Living without Amiga is not really living... Merely surviving...

Be funky

M A D
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: jimbo100 on July 22, 2006, 11:11:39 AM
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ironfist wrote:
Sure, 300 GBP sounds abit too much but someone will probably
buy it.


Appears not, he relisted it again but this time wanted 350UKP.  Again it didn't sell, finally he has the FMV listed on its own at 160UKP and again it didn't sell.

Appears the market has spoken and these things aren't worth that much now!
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: Lando on July 22, 2006, 11:21:05 AM
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ZXoney wrote:
 I would love to see someone make these old PPC cards again, I'm sure they would make a pretty good lick!
 I think the prices are way to high too but, I wanted a PPC for my A4000D and look here http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8827401836&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1

So If I was crazy enough to pay that then.. You can't really say that, if people will pay crazy prices for that stuff(like me) then ole' well...  :crazy:


Wow $565 for a card sold 'as-is' 'untested' 'no warranty'.  Some people are just begging to get burned.  They could just be buying a nice paperweight...
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: Framiga on July 22, 2006, 11:50:53 AM
sometimes people thimks " hey if its broken, i can fix it!"

unfortunately with this kind of boards is rare (and the card would cost less than 1/4 of that price)

This price is just insane, if you ask me!
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: KThunder on July 22, 2006, 12:08:59 PM
the auction said it was running a while ago but he has no way to test it now, i would bid on it.

as long as this stuff isnt going into the trash i think its all good. we can complain about prices all we want but at least we have something to complain about. the points been made before but it bears repeating: something is only worth what people will pay for it, and someone did. it wasnt worth that to you or i but it was to someone.
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: Framiga on July 22, 2006, 12:48:31 PM
"the auction said it was running a while ago but he has no way to test it now, i would bid on it."

exactly the same "standard" reply a got when i purchased my first CSPPC.  

"yeah! it worked last time i checked!" pity that was 2 ywars before.

Superfluous to say thats mine lasts 2 weeks or so :-( (received with the PPC fan broken, hence....)

Edit- ah obviously i hope for the buyer that is full working but if it isn't and/or it works only sometimes (intermittent boot and so) my suggestion is don't use it in that state, Try to fix it or send it for repair (even if its the 060 socket badly soldered).

Using it in that state, will lands in problems for the PPC as well
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: ZXoney on July 22, 2006, 11:06:53 PM
I spoke with the seller of my CSPPC before bidding. When I got the card installed the system wouldn't boot, after over 1 1/2 hours of trying different things it finally booted, but after a little while I tried restarting the system to no aval. After a month of (Oh my GOD I just blowed $600 buck, Some guys here told me they had the same problem and to check my 68060 socket, with a small flat head scew driver I pride one side of the 060 up a little then pressed it back in and whamO! It has work everytime since! (Lucky? Probly) But its the chance you must take with older hardware.. And I'm not afraid of a little soildering either, having some electronics background is a real plus with older Computer E.Q. lucky the Amiga is quite forgiving! I have done many things to my 1000 and 3000 that would have fried my PC's!

 -=(ZXoney)=-
Amiga 4-Ever

 :lol:
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: irishmike on July 23, 2006, 02:16:14 AM
Then again, maybe the dude doesn't really want it to sell but is trying to apease his wife ;-)

Just kidding on that one.  My wife thinks that what I have invested in the Miggies I own is insane and I can't say that I have even broken the $1000 (USD) mark yet.

I think between my 2 A1200's and my A4000 parts, I have invested around $650 USD -- This includes the monitor I bought which is just an old 1084S with sound non-functioning.

So in actual computers, around $600 USD all total.  I think I have paid fair pricing for everything so far.  And though I wouldn't personally spend that much (mainly cause I don't have it), I know it looks about par for the course.

Just my two cents there :-)

Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: stopthegop on July 23, 2006, 11:28:33 PM
Mac and PC hardware can be found free in my neighborhood every Sunday and Wednesday: Trash day.  I find can working PCs on the curb all the time -- computers that originally cost $1000+, probably more.  Conversely, the guy who bought that Amiga accelerator for approx. the same amount of money didn't lose a penny because it, unlike PC or Mac hardware, retains its value.  Who's the fool?
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: MASACREWILL on July 24, 2006, 01:51:18 AM
..yeah, that is right, it is all relative, so if you have money and can get thing you want (need for living be worth  it) - just go for it.. you only live once! (maybe  :-P )
Title: Re: WOW , now thats way too expensive
Post by: pierre on July 28, 2006, 12:38:47 AM
yes it expensive for old hardware, but it hard to find this stuff, you can't just order it.  I think that prices fot this classic stuff will get higher....as more and more old system simply disapear. It will be a long lul but in 20 30 years people will spend BIG bucks on this stuff. Think its hard to fins an SX-1 now..... just you wait.