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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: AGSzabo on June 17, 2006, 12:42:31 PM
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i found this: http://www.troikang.com/faq.html
a new board for amiga os 4 comming soon. does anybody know something more about it? e.g. a date when it will be ready to be bought?
the write they have a "friends" relationship with hyperion. does this mean os 4 will run on the board? as far they write, it is going to.
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No one knows... They have claimed for a while that it will be released soon, but nothing ever happens. They also say it runs OS4, but they seem to avoid the question regarding the licensing issue with amigainc and hyperion has so far denied that they have seen this board in action, which means the porting work has not even started yet.
So if it gets released, then it probably wont be too soon..
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Don't forget about the Eyetech exclusivity ...
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Keep in mind that that website is in the process of being face-lifted (as the front page indicates). Those specifications will likely be changed soon. See here (http://www.ppcnux.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6413) for more information about the Troka Amy '05 and the ACK Software Controls PowerVixxen TL.
-edit- It seems that article I linked to is about another board besides the Amy '05 that Troika is developing.
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will troika amy 05 be a good board?
No. troika and the powervixxen is just a very long and boring hoax.
I wonder if the next troika annoucement will contain
"Sorry can`t show pictures, my mother is in hospital"
to match his fellow hoaxing comrade.
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"hoax" may be too strong a word. No one has any idea what that board is about. Or the motivations of the people saying that.
until there is something I can actually put my hands on, I totally ignore it. it's not real. I don't know why anyone gets excited by people saying, "oh, i'm thinking of making a board"???
heck, I'D love to "make" a board too. You don't see me getting excited, however. I'm just wishing. just put things in pespective, please.
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I am dead tired of all the people waiting (and wanting) for others re-inventing the wheel. It's not the same as when Miner put his new hardware together, then it was something new That was different. What is happening now is pointless.
Just grab anything available for gods sake and release it
already.
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No. troika and the powervixxen is just a very long and boring hoax. I wonder if the next troika annoucement will contain "Sorry can`t show pictures, my mother is in hospital" to match his fellow hoaxing comrade.
You post is neither based upon facts nor is it constructive. Keep constructive, please, and don't claim things which you can't prove. A 'trollish' attitude won't help matters the slighest, you know.
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Manu wrote:
...others re-inventing the wheel.... ... it was something new That was different....
why the wheel?
the way amiga os 4 boots is in fact something new. the os 4 is the best operating system ever (see libraries coding). someone is rich if what he has is enough.the new amiga os 4 mainboards are good enough with what they have on them. you do not need so called newer or "better" hardware.
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cecilia wrote:
"hoax" may be too strong a word. No one has any idea what that board is about. Or the motivations of the people saying that.
until there is something I can actually put my hands on, I totally ignore it. it's not real. I don't know why anyone gets excited by people saying, "oh, i'm thinking of making a board"???
heck, I'D love to "make" a board too. You don't see me getting excited, however. I'm just wishing. just put things in pespective, please.
I'd just like to see an announcement like 'We have developed this new product, it's finished, and comes bundled with OS4.0. Here are photos of it, and some videos, a full list of specs, and some benchmark results for comparison. You can order it right now for 'x' price and it will be delivered in 3-5 days.'.
If you can't do that, then stay quiet until you can. What's the point of an announcement that doesn't announce anything? At least try to behave like normal companies.
Like when Apple announces a new Mac, as soon as they made the announcement you can go to their web store and see photos, read specs, and place an order. Or Acer, or even Dell, rarely will you see an announcement from them more than 2-3 weeks in advance of the machine actually being available to buy.
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Lando wrote:
I'd just like to see an announcement like 'We have developed this new product, it's finished, and comes bundled with OS4.0. Here are photos of it, and some videos, a full list of specs, and some benchmark results for comparison. You can order it right now for 'x' price and it will be delivered in 3-5 days.'.
If you can't do that, then stay quiet until you can. What's the point of an announcement that doesn't announce anything? At least try to behave like normal companies.
Like when Apple announces a new Mac, as soon as they made the announcement you can go to their web store and see photos, read specs, and place an order. Or Acer, or even Dell, rarely will you see an announcement from them more than 2-3 weeks in advance of the machine actually being available to buy.
I guess Intel, AMD, IBM, Matrox, ATI, NVidia, Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft etc. aren't real companies. Real companies don't announce hardware before its ready. ;)
But seriously, from the point of view of the developer, an early announcement provides a cheap way of generating interest from the buying public and potential investors. Unfortunately the poor track record of would-be Amiga developers to deliver - either on time or at all - ensures few of such announcements are taken seriously.
Nonetheless, kudos to them if they aren't all talk!
Jarrod.
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This is just my two cents on the subject:
It seems to me that rumour mills are always present with any platform. Apple is an excellent example -- someone gets wind of what they "may be" up to and they speculate and show pictures on sites like macrumours and then the product gets released and it is really not at all it was made out to be. The example I can think of most recently was back when they changed from the Graphite G4 to the Quicksilver G4 model, there were all kinds of crazy renderings of what the new case would look like and the specs that were reported to be in the production model. It was a lot different (although IMO the Quicksilver was a good machine) than it had been made out to be. The rumour site does *seem* to drive interest though.
Sorry about the lengthy post -- but my point is simply that Amiga is not immune to rumours of what will come. I too would love to see some new hardware released with OS 4 and also be priced competively enough that it could gain users and be a viable alternative to a PC.
Rumours will be a part of any platform and it is one of the pre-marketing techniques of some companies to leak some info rmation to get their product into the public's eyes so when it does get released, we all say "Wow, here is this thing we've been hearing so much about, lets buy it." -- At least this is what the marketing folks would like us to do :-)
Of course, some rumours are nothing but "vaporware" and so I am in the camp that believes in waiting until it is actually released before getting too excited about it.
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AGSzabo wrote:
the way amiga os 4 boots is in fact something new. the os 4 is the best operating system ever (see libraries coding).
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That was great, tell us about Orthogonal Persistance next thats one of my favorites.
the new amiga os 4 mainboards are good enough with what they have on them. you do not need so called newer or "better" hardware.
The Teron Boards (and chips) worked poorly enough that the company was put out of business. DMA is basically broken, audio doesnt work (or is not installed) in the majority of the boards and oh yeah, they have a mortality rate that is terrible.
-Tig
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The Teron Boards (and chips) worked poorly enough that the company was put out of business. DMA is basically broken, audio doesnt work (or is not installed) in the majority of the boards and oh yeah, they have a mortality rate that is terrible.
-Tig
Actually they finally got the onboard sound chips to work and somebody batch-ordered more for the people that didn't get them. Assuming you're not banned from AmigaWorld.net you could have been informed of this.
Also, the DMA thing had to do with the caches not updating automatically when a DMA took place which is just what happened when the classic Amiga did DMAs so is it any wonder that the problems only occured under Linux and not AmigaOS?
The mortality rate is another story, however, and I agree that those CPU modules and cooling fans need improvement as a result. I believe that's ACK Software Controls' first order of business as soon as Dad gets better.
-edit- Link to story about batch order of sound chips. (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3133)
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Sound chip works on AmigaOne boards story. (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2662&start=20#32127)
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Legerdemain wrote:
A 'trollish' attitude won't help matters the slighest, you know.
You mean what the Amiga needs is just a little bit more blind belief and fanatism so we can get feeded with more BS spoon by spoon ?
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You mean what the Amiga needs is just a little bit more blind belief and fanatism so we can get feeded with more BS spoon by spoon ?
No.
Blind belief and fanatism doesn't make things better.
There is nothing wrong with being sceptical. And there is nothing wrong with pointing out ones scepticism. But there is a big difference between doing it in a constructive way or in a 'trollish' way.
I made a choice to answer your post this way; further describing my point of view. I could, however, have looked upon your post as a bait for me to react to and thus have answered something like "Are you an idiot? That is not what I wrote! If you feel like reading things into my posts, things that actually isn't there to be found, then you can shut the {bleep} up!", or something the like, but that would have been a 'trollish' attitude, non-constructive, and nothing good would have come out of it. I just don't see the point in using that kind of attitude.
I don't know your point of view. But, when reading your reaction to my post, I have to ask: do you think it is okay (or a good thing) to react in the same way as Glittering did (calling the hospitalization of Adams father a hoax, without even having certified what is true or not)?
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Actually they finally got the onboard sound chips to work and somebody batch-ordered more for the people that didn't get them. Assuming you're not banned from AmigaWorld.net you could have been informed of this.
Which caused me to laugh for a very long time and the ineptitude of Hyperion and Eyetech. This is the hardware they picked for the system, and 18 months after they deliver the hardware (and after they have delivered the majority without the chip). We get a 3rd party delivering a driver that finally makes it work. Do you realize how bad this is in the scheme of things?
Also, the DMA thing had to do with the caches not updating automatically when a DMA took place which is just what happened when the classic Amiga did DMAs so is it any wonder that the problems only occured under Linux and not AmigaOS?
I'm sorry unless you actually understand the issue, have actually put MAI parts on a scope and watched the crap they do, dont every argue they work correctly. Thats a different opinion then the engineers at my company, at Rockwell, at Genesi, the Barbie folks etc have. There is a reason MAI is out of business.
The mortality rate is another story, however, and I agree that those CPU modules and cooling fans need improvement as a result. I believe that's ACK Software Controls' first order of business as soon as Dad gets better.
New CPU boards dont help when there are less then 1000 running boards of 3 varieties and that number is heading towards 0 and won't recover. Its great that ACK may build CPU cards to replace those that died, the fact that the Teron boards themselves are gone in 1/2 the cases show this solution won't fix the problem
-Tig
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AGSzabo wrote:
Manu wrote:
...others re-inventing the wheel.... ... it was something new That was different....
why the wheel?
Yes. Why, I can't see the point when the world is full
of hardware. On-the-shelf hardware is four years late now.
the way amiga os 4 boots is in fact something new. the os 4 is the best operating system ever (see libraries coding). someone is rich if what he has is enough.
I'm sure OS4 is good, boots fast etc, but when there has
been problems getting new hardware for over a year then some
bells should start to ring.
the new amiga os 4 mainboards are good enough with what
they have on them. you do not need so called newer or "better" hardware.
The mainboards aren't being sold, it's good enough for those
that have them and runs OS4 on them but that is history
now. I'm not sure what you mean with "better" hardware, but
I agree that we can manage with slower processors etc. but
then the pricing should be accordingly if it is of interest
to grow the userbase.
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as far i see the new boards are going to be sold. is there any known reason why the amigaone is currently not sold?
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AGSzabo wrote:
is there any known reason why the amigaone is currently not sold?
Yup.. they're not being made anymore,Eyetech quit the Amiga scene in a hissy fit last year.
Have a search about on Amigaworld.net for more info
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AGSzabo wrote:
as far i see the new boards are going to be sold. is there any known reason why the amigaone is currently not sold?
Boards can no longer be manufactured, and havent been made in 18 months now, last new board sold over a year ago. With half a dozen DOAs repaired and made available last fall, the so called Italy boards.
-Tig