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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Savan on June 14, 2006, 02:14:12 PM
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(Edited by Admin: Personal Attack)
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=19383&forum=33
http://steve.amigaworld.net/Temp/ack_log.html
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Not that much of a surprise actually.
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My father was admitted to the hospital yesterday, please be a bit patient as this is more important than anything else at the moment.
Making lies like this to get out of being exposed as a hoaxer is evil and twisted.
(Edited by Admin: removed Personal Attack. You have any proof that this is not true?)
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Well, I give him the benefit of the doubt on this one, but I hope that something will get released, pictures, demos, something that shows it is not a hoax.
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@OldTimeUser Quote:
OldTimeUser wrote:
@ackcontrls
Edit: Removed Post. Personal Attacks are not welcome
That's the final straw. I'm out of here....this is just not worth the aggravation. Have a good life everyone. Adam
There you go, project over... all because people were hung up on what day a photo was shown. :madashell: :-( :roll: :pissed:
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@Olid_hd
Well, you can't seriously believe that this is because of the pictures alone???
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Savan you're pathetic.
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Get a grip Savan.
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Well, you can't seriously believe that this is because of the pictures alone???
Nope I dont, just posts like savans (and most of the ones in the aw.net thread) gets to me.
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There you go, project over... all because people were hung up on what day a photo was shown.
You are taking the piss right? :-?
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Oli_hd wrote:
Well, you can't seriously believe that this is because of the pictures alone???
Nope I dont, just posts like savans (and most of the ones in the aw.net thread) gets to me.
I don't think comments like that belongs here either.
However, I have posted in the aw.net thread as well, so apparently I must be getting to you as well, but do you honestly think that the users deserves to get disappointed over and over again?
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@doctorhq
I can already tell you, when Adam would decide to leave the Amiga scene and no longer develop new hardware, all the people with doubts will be quickly made to scapegoats on Amigaworld.net.
Hell, it was a --single-- person (OldTimeUser aka Savan) who insulted Adam, not other people who have --justified doubts-- that it might be a hoax or that nothing will ever get released.
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silly to see that the amiga comunity has become the biggest spam and troll comunity alive .. no wonder people pull the other way (know several examples). But dont get me wrong most of us are ok.. But i think moderators are to nice as well ..
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@Oli_hd
(Edited by Admin: Personal Attack
Why the hate? It could be said of so many other Amiga Developers.)
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@Savan
Try reading the posting guidelines mate.
Personal attacks and insults are neither constructive, nor within said guidelines.
Criticise and doubt the project, but keep your insults to yourself.
IMHO.
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It's true that out of all his announcements, not a single event took place.
But still this isn't a reason for personal attacks. Call it a hoax or whatever you prefer, but don't insult him on some personal issues.
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That guy deserves everything he gets, he constantly makes announcements which every single one has turned out to be a lie. He has been poking fun out of Amiga users for a while with his hoax, sadly he has now an excuse to leave the scene as a hero rather than the fraud he is.
That's a bit harsh, isn't it? Truth is, no one can prove he's lying. Equally true, however, is that no one can prove he isn't.
I *personally* have no doubts that he is developing hardware, given his reputation as a reliable A1 dealer. However, I am concerned that his projects may end up like the BoXeR: designed, prototyped, but never finished. He said in the IRC log that he tends to get obsessively involved with bug crushing - I'm hoping that's the cause for delay.
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Come on, the whole thing really sounds like "the dog ate my homework". Theoretically possible, but how likely is it ??
So the reactions are everything else then strange.
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well I understand the frustration with all the pre-announcements...but I have a great solution to that one...stop following them.
As a matter of fact, this thread announcing the failure of the project...is the first I've heard of the project, so I'm in no way disappointed.
But also, along that same line of thinking, if someone made me guess, I would say this project was always some nerds pipe dream.
Thats not personal, because I know nothing about the person, or the project...its a guess based upon the many projects we've seen. Announce a project, and you'll be a celebrity for a little while.
The fact is, it truly isn't this chancy, random, speculative or otherwise difficult to put out a project. If you really had the chops to do it, you'd do it. If you failed, its because you really weren't ever very serious or likely to do it...let it be a lesson to the next one...keep your pipe dreams to yourself.
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I'm sorry to read about Adam's father and hope he is feeling better soon.
It's a shame things worked out the way they did but he's right, there are far more important things to worry about than some old computer system.
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Savan wrote:
@Oli_hd
That guy deserves everything he gets, he constantly makes announcements which every single one has turned out to be a lie. He has been poking fun out of Amiga users for a while with his hoax, sadly he has now an excuse to leave the scene as a hero rather than the fraud he is.
Sir,
I understand that you are -- for some unknown reason -- upset about this situation, but I'm inclined to agree with the few complaints that I've gotten that you have crossed the line into simple trolling and personal attacks. Neither of which are acceptable.
I'm not suggesting you should just be blindly supportive, but if you have nothing nice to say, please consider saying it elsewhere.
Wayne
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Wow,
I have been with Amiga ever since I was 8 years old, and now 20 years old, and I have been around since all the hardware projects were announced, but still havent seen anything.
My, how come alot of you get hurt over the fact that hardware was not released. I am just gonna support someone for even trying to put thought into the Amiga at all.
Try to do something else besides to monitor the progress of a piece of hardware. If the hardware comes out, it does. If not, then im sorry.
Give the guy a chance. Not a big huge team of people are working on it. And im sorry and hope his dad gets to feeling better.
Until then, enjoy the power of WinUAE. :-)
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@ackcontrols
Adam,
I hope your father recovers soon. That's more important than downloading a few pictures to the net.
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redfox
@rest of thread
I'll use Lemmink's comment because, IMHO, it is the kindest comment I have seen so far:
the whole thing really sounds like "the dog ate my homework"
Come on guys, let's give the guy a break. Life happens and sometimes things don't work out as planned.
I don't know Adam, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I suspect he has more money and skin invested in this venture than any of us do.
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redfox
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@Savan
really mature using that kinda language, says more about you than him I'm afraid
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even if the product was legit...
it would have been crippled by the A1's bus
My vote is still AoN (Amiga on Nintendo)... It's PPC and it's cheap.
Wii for mii!
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Wayne wrote:
Savan wrote:
@Oli_hd
That guy deserves everything he gets, he constantly makes announcements which every single one has turned out to be a lie. He has been poking fun out of Amiga users for a while with his hoax, sadly he has now an excuse to leave the scene as a hero rather than the fraud he is.
Sir,
I understand that you are -- for some unknown reason -- upset about this situation, but I'm inclined to agree with the few complaints that I've gotten that you have crossed the line into simple trolling and personal attacks. Neither of which are acceptable.
I'm not suggesting you should just be blindly supportive, but if you have nothing nice to say, please consider saying it elsewhere.
Wayne
He already has. He has posted similar attacks on AW.net and moobunny and possibly on other forums too. I'm not sure that he's upset, his posts generally go along the lines of #### is a liar and a fraud and you are all stupid ####s for believing him. This is not just towards ACK, but others as well. It's all just repeditive and boring.
Hans
NOTE: Replace the #### parts with names/words of your own choice.
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lou_dias wrote:
even if the product was legit...
it would have been crippled by the A1's bus
Ummm... we're talking about PV aren't we? What has that got to do with A1?
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moto
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Well, i must agree that it is certainly odd that something bad always happens when the deadlines reaches. I think it is damn cruel to call him a {bleep} though, especially if this is true:
@Kronos
My father was admitted to the hospital yesterday, please be a bit patient as this is more important than anything else at the moment.
Adam
This could also explain why he was in such a bad mood to be affected by a simple remark from one user.
It would pretty damn sick of him if the issue about his father was just nothing more than a prank made against the amiga community.
If he did infact leave his project now, then i am 99% the whole thing is a hoax as well... No sane person would leave a project that they had invested loads of time on just due to some comment made by someone on a public forum.
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That's a bit harsh, isn't it? Truth is, no one can prove he's lying. Equally true, however, is that no one can prove he isn't.
Exactly..
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it would have been crippled by the A1's bus
This was suppsed to be an entirely new motherboard which has absolutely zero to do with the AmigaONE other than that they both use PPC as a cpu.
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lou_dias,
The PV connects to the A1200, He was also working on CPU upgrades for the A1s and a new motherboard.
Hopefully once his father's medical issues have been dealth with and he is not stressing due to that situation, he'll reconsider.
Really, as a group we treat developers of new products like crap. Of course, I'd think that developers would have learned to tell us nothing and just release a product. I guess it is the fear that if we no thing that we may not be here when the product is released.
Savan,
I understand the let down. I too was hoping to see some pictures. It is not like we, the community, have not been here before. Posts like your are what drives people way. This topic was started just out of hate and to attack. If I'd checked this morning it wouldn't be here. I hope you enjoy your time away from AO. May it give you time to cool off.
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Wow, some people take life far to seriously. And people wonder why the Amiga community gets such a bad reputation? Allowing trolls like this Savan person to remain is just going to keep future developers away.
Oh well, one more reason for us to forget about OS4
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Argo wrote:
Really, as a group we treat developers of new products like crap.
I don't know, I think those developers who treat the community with respect (like Jens Schoenfeld for example) get the same respect in return - the only time I've seen an announcement on amiga.org from Jens is when there's already a working product which people can buy, like the recent A600 expansion.
The same with Dennis and the Minimig - the guy only posted here when he had a working board and posted photos - there were many doubters but he proved them all wrong.
All of the reaction to ACK's original announcement back in 2004 was positive and encouraging. Everybody was saying that they wanted one. It was only after 18 months of silence / nothing shown / excuses that the negativity and scepticism started.
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*click* goes the sound of the lock being closed. Thanks for everyone's help in keeping up with this.
Wayne