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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: nasty on June 13, 2006, 07:25:45 PM
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I'm planning on getting a Pegasos2 system, And from what I've been reading MorphOS/Pegasos2 can run Amiga software! I know there will be afew exceptions to this rule. But before I go diving in and buying a complete new system. I was wondering what Amiga software I could use on MorphOS/Pegasos2? example I'm guessing most of the Amiga games like payback,nightlong,heretic2 etc etc will run on MorphOS/Pegasos2 without major problems? Also would I be able to use programs such as ppaint,dpaint,soundtracker and whdload for some of the non AGA games?
And does anyone here have the peg2 and what do you think about it?
Thanks in advance for any help :-D
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You should be able to run any Amiga software that is OS-friendly and doesn't rely on the custom chips. Unfortunately this rules out most games (although they should run under e-uae emulation.)
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If I were you I'd try out the free MorphOS download on that PowerPC accelerated A1200 mentioned in your SIG first since most of what you said you wanted to run would require EUAE to function at all on the Peg2.
Remember that EUAE only has a JIT compiler for the Intel versions. The PowerPC versions use interpreted only. You'd have no better luck with MorphOS than AOS 4.0 at getting any decent performance but at least you wouldn't have to wait for new hardware.
-edit- Not sure if MorphOS supports the Mediator bus expander on the A1200.
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SamuraiCrow wrote:
-edit- Not sure if MorphOS supports the Mediator bus expander on the A1200.
It doesn't.
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Thanks maffoo:-D,
Has anyone tryed e-uae under Morph0S? and is morphos/peg2 a good machine for gaming? and i would still like to hear what you guys think about morphos/peg2 as my goal is to have a replacment PC
@SamuraiCrow
Thank you,I've got 2 BPPC amigas one has the bvision, so I'll try the Amiga Morph version out and see how i get on.
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I had a Pegasos for a while, e-uae worked pretty well but it was nowhere near as good as WinUAE.
TBH, I wasn't overly impressed with MorphOS. It looked nice and was responsive, but for it to be much use to me it needed a decent web browser (I'm too spoilt by Firefox) and a modern office suite (I'm spoilt by OpenOffice.org.) At least with a classic Amiga there's nostalgic value and native games. IMHO MorphOS is a great hobby OS with a lot of potential, but that's it. I lost interest in it once I got my new iMac.
(I know a lot of people here won't agree with me, but I'm just giving my opinion, not trying to start a flamewar.)
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Thank you again maffoo for your honest review on morphos :-D
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If you run MorphOS on an A1200 with a BPPC, can you still run Classic software which needs the custom chips? (Read: WHDLoad :-) )
edit: without booting into AmigaOS
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moto
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MorphOS runs lots of AmigaOS software and games:
Myst 68k
Napalm 68k
Payback 68k
Quake 68k
TvPaint 68k
Dpaintt 5 68k (works, but but but)
Cinema 4D 68k
Photogenics 68k
WebMaker 68k
AmIRC 68k
Wookiechat 68k
iBrowse 68k
Miami/MiamiDx 68k
Genesis 68k
ClassAct 68k
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As you see, lots of AmigaOS software works. There is also nice native programs for it:
AmiNetRadio V4 PPC -music player, supports mp3, ogg, mod...
SongPlayer -music player, supports mp3 and ogg etc
MPlayer PPC -multimedia player, divx, xvid, avi, mpeg etc..
MOSnet 1.2 -native tcp/ip stack
Blender -3D making software, native
fXpaint 2.0 -great graphic program
VooDoo-X -great file archiver program. All in one
Ripper -nice music ripper
Titler -great 3D titler program
Virtua Grand Prix 2 -3D native racing game
Quake 3 -3D FPS ported game
WipeOut 2097 -3D flightracing game
QuakeMOS -Quake native
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There you have a small guide.
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MorphOS is a very nice system, Ambient the user interface gets updated almost daily and is making great progress. If you don't like Ambient there's also Scalos wich is pretty good and very Amiga like.
Shogo, Heretic II, Wipeout, Quake 2 and Freespace run very well, no problems on my system. There are also other games like Quake III, Hexen II and Virtual Grand Prix available.
E-UAE runs most demo's and games fullspeed on a Pegasos, the speed of E-UAE is about 50% of a stock Amiga 4000. The waiting is for JIT to make the most of it.
Most Amiga programs run on MorphOS as long as they don't make use of the custom chips of the Amiga. I'm running TVPaint, Directory Opus and a lot of other Amiga programs on my Pegasos.
And yes it's true there's not a modern browser or office packet available for it but that aplies to all Amiga's including A-One and OS4. But there's hope, KHTML is just around the corner :)
It's even possible to run OS4 programs on MorphOS but I have not tried that because IMHO there's no need to run OS4 software on MorphOS.
The Pegasos II board itself is pretty nice and supported by various Linux distro's, I'm running Ubuntu Dapper Drake myself.
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I kinda feel that Pegasos is the right Amiga platform. Though in my deepest dreams, Classic Amiga with ColdFire is the thing, but it will never happend ;/
MorphOS is AmigaOS. It`s got the feeling, its MUI based and has an active Ambient developing theme.
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AmiDelf wrote:
I kinda feel that Pegasos is the right Amiga platform. Though in my deepest dreams, Classic Amiga with ColdFire is the thing, but it will never happend ;/
MorphOS is AmigaOS. It`s got the feeling, its MUI based and has an active Ambient developing theme.
I kind of agree with you there :-) Not Because I own a Pegasos but because I think the Pegasos/MorphOS combo is underestimated because it hasn't got the brand name. If you want a next gen Amiga system now, the Pegasos/MorphOS is the only way to go.
And yeah a Coldfire in my A4000 would be nice, but unfortunally it would never happen :cry:
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just to give my 2 pennies worth I have an a1200, BlizzPPC 603e @240mhz / 060@50mhz, 256mb, G-Rex, Voodoo 3 3000, Terratec PCI 128, Realtek 8139 100mb plus other stuff but my points are.
MorphOS is the only operating system I now have installed on this. The other is I bought the G-Rex, Voodoo 3 3000, Teratec PCI 128 and Realtek 8139 because I liked MorphOS so much and this hardware is fully supported without messing. Just to give an indication when I changed from BlizzVision to Voodoo I changed no settings or installed nothing I just switched on and got a screen instantly. There was no messing in pal modes first then switching screen modes, I just turned it on and the card was detected instantly.
If the opportunity comes to buy MorphOs for Powerup and recieve the same level of support the peg owners are getting I will jump at the chance.
It the best piece of software my amiga has seen
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Thanks for all the advice guys, one things that I'm wondering about is
MorphOS runs lots of AmigaOS software and games:
Myst 68k
Napalm 68k
Payback 68k
Quake 68k
Should'nt the PPC versions work on morphOS? also I'm sure I came across some kind of warp emulation for morphOS? or did I just make that last bit up :lol:
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most ppc software does work and warp emulation is built in aswell as warp3d emulation which usually runs faster.
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@motorollin
If you run MorphOS on an A1200 with a BPPC, can you still run Classic
software which needs the custom chips? (Read: WHDLoad )
edit: without booting into AmigaOS
WHDLoad: no
Programs can use classic chipsets (i.e. HippoPlayer runs fine) but if they try to take over system they dont work. WarpUp games run faster in MorphOS tho.
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Well, I got a PegII when the A1's wasn't available. I wasn't at all sure that I would like MorphOS but after a few months it really grew onto you. I can run all my usual software (exept for a MOD-player.. still looking for something like HippoPlayer or Eagleplayer for MOS.) plus all the nice PPC-apps someone else mentioned.
I only have two grips with MorphOs and they are quite silly. ;)
1. Sometimes when I move something from the Ram Disk to Work: the Ram Disk decides to meditate... nothing else to do than reboot. Never understood why it does that, but probably something i've fiddled with.
2. I can't for my life figure out where to change the mouse pointer. :lol:
anyway, if you are in the situation that you feel your A1200 is too slow then by all means buy a Pegasos. It's fast and it's very amigaOS-like. Be warned thought, that it's not entirely AmigaOS-like, you will find some annoyances, I'm sure, but after a while you just discover that it's another way of doing something and you start to like it.
E-UAE by the way, on my 1Ghz PegII, is running at fully acceptable speeds. I even run a full AOS3.9 emulated enviroment on it sometimes, and it slows down only when opening a drawer with lots and lots of files and icons.
oh, and Ambient is quite beautiful when themed.
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nasty wrote:
i would still like to hear what you guys think about morphos/peg2 as my goal is to have a replacment PC
I don't think the goal of completely replacing a PC is attainable with any of the current Amiga-related options. MorphOS is the best of the bunch but I don't know if you would be comfortable using it as your main or only system if you're used to running Windows.
If you are used to an Amiga then you'll feel immediately at home, and your first impression will be that its just like an Amiga only more modern, much faster and better looking. I spent the first few days running every Amiga program I could find and kept being blown away by the speed after years of having an A4000/PPC/Mediator. A lot of old programs that tried to use the custom chips failed, but compatibility with non-hardware-banging stuff is excellent. It even ran stuff I never got working on my A4k. And the 68k Trance JIT is the fastest you will find anywhere.
The lack of a decent browser is obviously another big thing, but once Marcik's KHTML-based browser appears things will be a lot better.
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@Nasty
Just one question for curiosity.
If OS4 and hardware was available, would you have gone towards purchasing that instead of pegasos/morphos?
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If OS4 and hardware was available, would you have gone towards purchasing that instead of pegasos/morphos?
I did have my chance to purchase an A1 when they were first released but after afew posts on here and some helpful replys, I did'nt feel the A1 was going to be a machine for me as with the emulation needed! I know now that whatever computer system I intend to use nowadays is gonna need some kind of emulation to run the older amiga software. So in answer to you question if it was available then I would give it some thought. and try to look at the big picture to see what the future held for the machine and as we all know a AmigaOne's should of came with a crystal ball. MorphOS/Pegasos2 seem to have a more defined future and development seems to be alot faster than that of the A1/OS4. So really aslong as I can continue to use my favorite apps like ppaint,soundtracker (brings me onto another question)and has the bit of power there to play the PPC games and apps like hollywood without slow downs then I'll be happy, cause for classic gaming I have my 1200 here that!
Has anyone tryed to run soundtracker on morphOS? as when I run it on my A1200 it opens in a pal screenmode so would this cause it not to work on MorphOS or is there some sort of forcemode for morphOS?
Also another question I thought of is what kind of video codecs are supported on MorphOS?
Yet again thank you for all the advice given so far :-)
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Desolator have you tried Pro-Player? works fine for those old mods :-).
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SoundTracker bangs hardware and doesnt work on Pegasos.
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@Desolator
"I can run all my usual software (exept for a MOD-player.. still looking for something like HippoPlayer or Eagleplayer for MOS.)"
AmiNetRadio for MorphOS can also play MOD's
For more info look at http://amigazeux.net/anr/play.php
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Thank you itix
:-D
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wish i could try the real pegasos deal out .. only did the free edition while i had a bppc and diddent have all the apps for an adventage nor the real speed of the peggy..
always wanted one but never took the risk in buying something i have not fully tested
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Nasty
I have a peg2 g4 and was a betatester for peg1. I used to have a hardcore Amiga 4000T (quickpack) with Cyberstorm PPC, Cybervision, Vlab Motion, Toccata and OS 3.9. When I got my Peg 1 with Morphos 1.3 soon the Amiga was used only for the Vlab motion. It is a complete replacemnt for the Amiga (except for hardware banging older apps and games which UAE can be used) I actually sold the prized amiga (something I thought I'd never do)
Morphos 1.4.5 is exceptional. IMHO it is far better than "os4" and has better support for classic Amiga apps and has more ports and native software. Here is some of the Amiga software I run on mos:
Photogenics 5
Image FX 4.5 studio
Fx SCan
FX Paint
AmIrc
Ibrowse
Voyager
Aweb
YAM
Simple Mail
ATC ftp
Directory Opus 5
Wildfire
Cinema 4d
Lightwave 5
MakeCD
Wipeout
Feeble Files
Quake2
Earth 2140
and more!
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maffoo wrote:
...but for it to be much use to me it needed a ... modern office suite (I'm spoilt by OpenOffice.org.)
I'm surprised - when I've tried openoffice I've not been overly impressed. imho it's really non-intuitive - I found myself wishing for Wordworth 7 when using the word processor (whose name eludes me).
Assuming the productivity software of Amiga works under MOS I'd be quite happy with it. I may end up buying one, rather than shelling out to do my A4000, what with the current PV situation.