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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Marky_D_Sahd on May 04, 2003, 02:20:15 AM
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(Might be the wrong forum... Moderator please check.)
I have everything for my new AmigaOne except the motherboard, but now I'm reconsidering.
I've seen PC motherboards at Fry's for under $100US. I saw a whole emachines setup, with a 17in. monitor, speakers and printer for less than $600US at Costco today.
What will my $800 AmigaOne motherboard do that these won't? Impressive graphics? It's got the same video card as the others. Stereo sound? Same sound card. Impressive graphics software? Can't even get Photogenics for the Amiga any more.
Why, except for nostalgia, am I doing this? I love the OS and hate M$ Winblows, but is the trade off worth it? A hundred or so, maybe, but a SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLAR DIFFERENCE?
Somebody talk me back into this. Developers please chime in.
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Hi Marky,
To be honest, the answer to your question is that the "$700" buys you absolutely nothing. OS4 might be lighter (and thereby a little quicker feeling) than Windows or Linux but the speed difference will still be tangibly slower on the AmigaOne than a PC.
I cannot really state any benchmarks on the AmigaOne. I've never seen one. I've also never seen OS4.0. I'm speaking strictly on the facts of physical hardware speed.
That being said, I have seen and played with, first hand MorphOS and the Pegasos (mine is not fully assembled yet due to money issues). Compared to any Amiga that I have EVER seen on this planet, the Peg/MOS combo is truly phenomenal in terms of the "feel of speed" and ease of use. Do I feel that it's faster than the PC? Sure, in a lot of respects I do. It feels lighter, is definitely more logical than Windows and the Pegasos/MorphOS combo really brings back the feeling of fun to tinker with. I have no reasons to believe that OS 4.0 would be different. Now... Is it really faster than my 1.4 Ghz Athlon PC? No. Not by a long shot. No Amiga has physically been faster than a PC since about... oh, I don't know... 1992?
You said it before though, a lot of the reasons for an Amiga platform system are based on Nostalgia, not power. The ability to have FUN with a computer. The ability to learn and know what the OS is doing in the background. The lightweight OS with a logical look and feel. The quick boot times and no "shutdown". There is also (or at least there used to be) the tangible, friendly, helpful community surrounding it.
In the end, the choice for you is exactly that, and it's a very personal one. What I would do if I were you is to buy what you need in order to meet the way you want to use a computer. If that happens to be an Amiga platform machine, very cool. If not, no harm, no foul. No one (except the zealots around us) could ever slight you for exercising personal choices in computing. An Amiga user chastising someone for using their personal freedom for computing would be somewhat of an oxymoron I think.
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It buys you a bit of individuality and freedom from the commercialism crippling home computing these days, isn't that worth a little extra?
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eMachines, ugh... Shiver...
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It buys you a bit of individuality and freedom from the commercialism crippling home computing these days, isn't that worth a little extra?
Your idea of "a little" is quite a bit different than mine. The relative $500 difference between building a PC and a similarly equipped A1 system (same video, audio, HD, CD, etc) is mostly the cost of the AmigaOne motherboard and CPU card itself.
Granted, I *would* stay away from eMachines and ANY like it that use proprietary parts (Compaq, HP, etc) but with that extra $500, I can build a second whole PC system (minus monitor).
If you're going with an Amiga platform machine, cool, but the question of how much "cool" that $500 going to buy you is strictly relative to your desire to be different. Same with Macs. AmigaOne versus PC is much more of an emotional decision than a logical one. It always has been.
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@KennyR
If you want to get rid of the commericalism in computing, why buy a commercial OS? :-)
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Other than emotional and nostalgic reasons one other reason really sticks out:
TCPA
Both AMD and Intel have agreed to include this standard into thier CPU.
M$ will require that you have this specification to run its new software.This software will be incompatible with previous software.
When all this comes about it means you have to move to the new windows way of life which means a new PC, or go linux\ old windows systems which will be incompatible with the new stuff.
Your A1 board means you have the opportunity to move away from all this into a community where choice is the catchcry instead of being forced into a system which is being moved to a subscription based design for use of software.
Check this link out and then decide:
http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit029.html
With more users of the Amiga prices will drop, and so will the power of new machines.
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Stop thinking like the IT dirrector at a telemarketing firm. People always make "Business" descisions when purchasing a computer. Fact is, most of us arn't using mission critical software. We buy computers to be entertained. Will you have more fun with an AmigaONE?
Or will the e-machines be more fun? Well, personally, windows XP and new.. everybody else has it.. computer hardware make me yawn. Remember when you first booted an Amiga? The OS was new, the features were new and nobody else had one. It was a sense of wonder and exporation. It was fun.
Ok, now when I first boot my e-machine, the OS is the same as everything MS from the past 9 years, the features of windows XP insult my inteligence and every seniour citizen sweet talked by the best buy salesmen has one. Thrilling.
To me, the choice is clear.
I just wish I had the extra 700$
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When it comes down to it, it's like this:
Are you willing to pay the extra to run AmigaOS4 and all that that entails?
If so, get the AmigaOne, if not, get a PC.
The PC is cheaper and better supported. You can run pretty much any OS on the PC that you can run on the AmigaOne, with the exception of AmigaOS4.
Also, to use GNU/Linux as an example of an OS that runs on both, the x86 version has FAR more support than the PPC version and you'll be doing it all with cheaper and better supported hardware.
All that in mind however, I'd rather have the AmigaOne than a PC anyday - simply because OS4 will be my OS of choice when it's released.
I'm keeping my PCs of course, but one of them is being relegated to the cupboard soon and the other one is being stripped of most of it's good hardware to go into the AmigaOne.
Regards,
Yttrium Oxide
AKA Ben de Waal.
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@Marky_D_Sahd
I really like AOS but there is no way i will buy an AmigaONE board when the price for one is just stupid,
The price is not even realistic, over 500 quid is just not acceptable imo for a motherboard and chip in 2003 and i just can not see myself spending that kind of money on just a board.
If you really want to use OS4 then you are forced in a corner with either buying expensive hardware or go elsewhere, it is really simple at that.
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@Paul_Gadd
And over $1000 Australian dollars :-o.
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and if indeed AOS4 does eventually come out where is OS5 if Amiga.inc goes under??? thats my question
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read bellow
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Hey Paul,
Maybe Seehund should describe the concept of VSRs (Value Subtracted Resellers) here.
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Actually, the PC has Amithlon. While I work for Genesi, I have, use, and enjoy Amithlon.
People sometimes HAVE to go to a PeeCee, that's all there is to it. We don't live in Utopia. I'm quite happy with the way Amithlon works, and the speed of it's JIT.
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why buy a system with a really crap os ?
and no support ? iam not on about the Amiga
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Actually Kay, by the time you get the CPU on there (especially if your buying Intel) you're going to have more than just $100.
*I'll* pay the extra $$$. At least *I'll* own my AmigaOne, unlike the PC, which Bill Gates is positioning himself to do right now, and nobody with any authority will try to stop him. Bill can have admin/root priviledges on my box when he can pry it from my cold, dead hands.
:-D
Also, think of it as 3 computers in one. AmigaOS/linux/Mac-on-linux is a pretty large software base, when you think about it. Also, the electricity you save over a few years will pay for the extra $$ you spent buying a PPC board.
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Love your Av, Legion.
Kewl synths as well.
Up there with Sequential circuits.
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Paul_Gadd wrote:
The price is not even realistic, over 500 quid is just not acceptable imo for a motherboard and chip in 2003 and i just can not see myself spending that kind of money on just a board.
Be aware that the price of an item is influenced by the scale of manufacture. Compared to a mass produced PC, the AmigaOne is quite small (as well as the Pegasos), and so it's gonna cost more. The Teron board used to cost thousands of US dollars for these reasons. (Even smaller manufactured numbers compared to the AmigaOne).
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There's only one advantage - the AmigaONE will run OS4 (like the PegasOS lets you run MorphOS). You've got to buy it based on that, not on the hardware (fairly unexceptional). Of course, it'l run Linux and probably MacOS - but so will a Mac :-)
It's the same reason why lots of people here have upgraded "classic" Amigas with stupidly expensive PPC expansions, PCI slots etc.
At the end of the day, the people buying A1's and PegasOS's now are basically pioneers - the price will go down, and the power will go up - but only if enough people take the plunge.
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Kinda different beasts; Moog was on the way down when Sequential Circuits really started becoming the predominant USA company. That's about when polyphonics became feasible. Then, when Dave Smith practically invented MIDI, with mild assists from a couple of Japanese megacorps, Sequential again reinvented the market...
...What was the topic again? ; }
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The AmigaOne is for running old Amiga software faster, and only once OS4 comes out. The hardware is too rare to attract any developers, so it's a dead end. As for OS5, well, it's been more than three years since Amiga Inc formed, and still nothing. Amiga is broke because nobody is interested. Period.
I still think everyone who bought an AmigaOne before the release of OS4 is out of their minds. Do you want an Amiga or do you want Linux?
The way all these "alternative" companies operate, it's obvious to me how Microsoft hangs on to its share of the market.
I'm going to be shackled to Windows2000 forever. Sigh.
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The AmigaOne is for running old Amiga software faster
And new software
and only once OS4 comes out.
I definitely agree on this at least :-)
The hardware is too rare to attract any developers, so it's a dead end.
Remember that people have to port to an OS, not a computer. Several years back, the Linux OS had no commercial development and little other development. Look at it now.
I still think everyone who bought an AmigaOne before the release of OS4 is out of their minds.
You would only want an A1 if you knew the OS you wanted would arrive - ie if you don't want to use it as a Linux box you have to be really confident OS4 will arrive. If you're not, then there really isn't any point in getting one yet.
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Well, as for myself I'll get the A1 when OS4 has arrived. And why? Because mostly of nostalgia, the second for the FUN. If OS4 is capable of running my old amiga games (in ADF I suppose since we got new diskdrives nowadays..) and applications problemfree as well as new software then I'm happy. Currently I use an AMD 2Ghz computer to run new games on and WinUAE. I use my real A1200's just as often, and the only reason I got an AMD in the first place is to play the new games, like Falcon 4, FS2002, Unreal Tournament and so on... but if I got a computer that was running AmigaOS natively without emulation and that could do the above stated, then speed isn't a necessity. I will still have my PC next to my Amiga, but only for gaming and 3D design. Everything else I would be doing on my Amiga.
Finally, to me fun can not be measured in money. Sure, the A1 is expensive, but it's WORTH it when comparing to using a machine running Windows.
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Interesting TidBit, Greenboy.
Ty.
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In terms of cost neither a1 or pegasos are worth it both are overpriced and underpowered, but then again they have not got the large userbase of the pc so cost are going to be higher. i have an a1 on order i also have a pc my 2400xp with 512 meg memory and and 120 gig hd with geoforce ti4200 graphics and soundblaster live + cd writer and dvd drives, did not cost as much as my a1 has. Cost i worked out my a1 when it arives and is put together has cost about £1024 ,a fair bit higher than my pc .but i still have an a1 because there are things that a pc is just not as good at. Besides i get bored of the pc somtimes and want something else to keep me ocupied. :-?
+ i can aford it its only money
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sheesh, use some punctuation!
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by Cyberus on 2003/5/4 11:51:16
sheesh, use some punctuation!
Whats that then :-D
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@Bodie
And over $1000 Australian dollars . :-o
You know, I put together a whole mid-spec PC for less than that (sans OS, but including monitor) this weekend.
There's no way I'm rushing out to buy an AmigaOne anytime soon.
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I'm getting an AmigaONE almost entirely because I *love* developing for AmigaOS, and don't really enjoy developing for Windows or Linux. OS4 takes the platform I love and extends and improves on it, so i can't wait.
Also, sheer bloody minded stubborness is a factor. I saved up for a Phase 5 G4 card, then an AmiJoe, and now an AmigaONE. One way or another i'm damn well going to get a G4 powered AmigaOS box if it kills me :-D i've waited long enough...
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@Wayne
AmigaOne versus PC is much more of an emotional decision than a logical one. It always has been.
True Wayne, but this has been the case for Amiga vs. PC since 1995. Emotion is not a bad thing, as long as we keep our heads. If it's any consolation I agree with you that the A1 is just too expensive, which is why I won't be buying one. That was not an easy decision to make.
@Carls
Commercialism doesn't bother me, in moderation. Over-commercialism does.
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There is no way I would buy a A1 as a primary machine. Unless you have the extra cash for a "fun" machine at their price, I certainly would go X86. Now, if you can build a A1, you can build a damn killler x86 box for well under that.
For instance, I just bought ASUS A7V8X-X for $79.99 with 3 day FedEx shipping. It supports whatever the top flavor of Athlons are out there (quick look, XP 2500 is mid range speed at $148).
As for OSs, let me point out besides everyone pissing and moaning about XP and Linux, there are other OSs you can try, like BEOS and my favorite, AROS. Considering how big and inexpensive DH's are, this gives you a bounty of OSs you can boot from.
What a cheap x86 box to run AROS from? Try Walmart (http://www.walmart.com) and they should have a mini-ATX at 1.1GHz for $199. Rather have a Athlon for a few dollars more? Look on Pricewatch (http://www.pricewatch.com)
and see what box kit you want.
Now, if your dead set against x86, there is always a Peggy2 in Sept. =)
Dammy
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Amiga ones aren't too expensive. Let me explain how. Now: Compare cost of A1 board to comparable windows board (hard to find 800Mhz boards out there but just imagine). So okay, we've lost money on the board. But, AmigaOS4 is going to be very cheap comparably (and for exmaple MOS1.3 comes with the liek 600$ Pegasos boards, doesn't it?) So if we compare it to say, buying windows 2000 server software, it becomes comparable, simply because of how extremely expensive that software is.
The argument is lost vs. Linux, but then again whats really cheaper than free? AOL? :lol:
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Why are you mentioning software? A1 vs PC has nothing to do with software, a x86 board offers more than a A1 period and at a fraction of the price, if OS4 could be run on other boards (PPC ones) and they was cheaper i doubt anyone would touch a A1 with a bargepole.
Catch 22.
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Hey, Bargepole (http://www.geocities.com/darthbargepole/) seems like an ok kinda guy.
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I know I dont want an A1 unless it costs *LESS* then a cheap PC motherboard... if it cost even 100$ less then Pegasos I think it would still be overpriced... considering it only runs Linux and it dosent have firewire... the one with the soldered on CPU you can totally forget... I'd rather have a cheap calculator then that thing... in my opinon i havent seen such shabby quality since an integrated Cyrix board I used in a compaq in 1995.... total junk
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My take is quite simple, really:
I have waited for a new Amiga for more than ten years. I
hanged in here during all these years when a whole lot less
was happening and the Amigaworld was a lot darker. I have
been patted on my head by friends shaking their heads at
my seemingly never-ending fruitless waiting.
I'll be damned if I bail out *now*. Call it stubborness, call
it pride, whatever.
If AOS4 doesn't come to be for some reason, I will most
probably go Linux full-time. And that has nothing to do with
the merits of MOS. - But it requires a certain dedication, a
certain sentiment for me to put my effort and
enthusiasm into a "underdog" OS for perhaps another
decade.
I'm tired, to be honest.
Tired of being outside the mainstream and all the
compromises that forces me to do (which is why I use
Linux more and more, albeit with far less personal
involvement). Tired to listen to an old and venerable
community tearing itself to shreads. Tired to live without
the features of a mainstream OS (and in this respect I
consider Linux to be that, at least compared to MOS/AOS).
Tired of being patted on the head because "I still haven't
understood the Amiga is really, really dead". Tired of being
insulted in forums (albeit indirectly by means of
generalization so far) because I don't bash this or that, don't
hate this or that or choose to visit this or that website. It is
tiring. And it makes it difficult for me to summon the
enthusiasm so desperately needed in order to find
enjoyment with this little computer world and its offerings.
But I think I can summon that enthusiasm one last time for
AOS4 and an AmigaOne, even though it - just like MOS - is
currently yet another underdog. I think I can get excited
again. Now, MOS doesn't produce that feeling with me, and
that has nothing to do with its technical merits. It's simply
the way I feel about it, at this time anyway. And without
that sentiment I cannot rationalize my involvement and my
commitment. Then my tiredness take over.
I know many others have a different take and a different
history than me. Noone is more right or more wrong.
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SlimJim
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SlimJim I can understand all you're saying... but you really should check out MOS and Pegasos... it's made by Amiga people... it's the work of long time community members and coders...not the work of outsiders... it's a system the community can fully feel is their baby...not the baby of gateway or some other company with other motives...
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I know how you feel SlimJim. Me too.
Now summers nearly here I'm tempted to go buy some fishing gear and spend some tranquil time out in the middle of nowhere.
Haven't been fishing since Dad died in 82. (Ironically, he had a major heart seizure at a fishing match !!)
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@mips_proc
SlimJim I can understand all you're saying... but you really should check out MOS and Pegasos... it's made by Amiga people... it's the work of long time community members and coders...not the work of outsiders... it's a system the community can fully feel is their baby...not the baby of gateway or some other company with other motives...
I have been in this community a long time you know. I know
all the background and I have heard most of the arguments.
I'm not going into any "what is an Amiga" -argument here.
Your opinion is just as valid as mine. It's just different.
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SlimJim
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by SlimJim on 2003/5/4 19:36:56
My take is quite simple, really:
I have waited for a new Amiga for more than ten years. I
hanged in here during all these years when a whole lot less
was happening and the Amigaworld was a lot darker. I have
been patted on my head by friends shaking their heads at
my seemingly never-ending fruitless waiting.
I'll be damned if I bail out *now*. Call it stubborness, call
it pride, whatever.
If AOS4 doesn't come to be for some reason, I will most
probably go Linux full-time. And that has nothing to do with
the merits of MOS. - But it requires a certain dedication, a
certain sentiment for me to put my effort and
enthusiasm into a "underdog" OS for perhaps another
decade.
I'm tired, to be honest.
Tired of being outside the mainstream and all the
compromises that forces me to do (which is why I use
Linux more and more, albeit with far less personal
involvement). Tired to listen to an old and venerable
community tearing itself to shreads. Tired to live without
the features of a mainstream OS (and in this respect I
consider Linux to be that, at least compared to MOS/AOS).
Tired of being patted on the head because "I still haven't
understood the Amiga is really, really dead". Tired of being
insulted in forums (albeit indirectly by means of
generalization so far) because I don't bash this or that, don't
hate this or that or choose to visit this or that website. It is
tiring. And it makes it difficult for me to summon the
enthusiasm so desperately needed in order to find
enjoyment with this little computer world and its offerings.
But I think I can summon that enthusiasm one last time for
AOS4 and an AmigaOne, even though it - just like MOS - is
currently yet another underdog. I think I can get excited
again. Now, MOS doesn't produce that feeling with me, and
that has nothing to do with its technical merits. It's simply
the way I feel about it, at this time anyway. And without
that sentiment I cannot rationalize my involvement and my
commitment. Then my tiredness take over.
I know many others have a different take and a different
history than me. Noone is more right or more wrong.
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SlimJim
I feel the same.
I so nearly bought my self a kick ass PC for online gaming but i did not want Windows & even more so as i dont like the way windows is heading.
If amigaOs fails i will be going the way of the Apple.
Its been an effort holding off buying a PC/Apple for liking AmigaOS so much over the year. But would not like to do it all over again by moveing from failing AmigaOS to another OS that is even smaller in userbase.
If this effort fails im going mainstream, i have had enough.
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@Wayne-
If you're going with an Amiga platform machine, cool, but the question of how much "cool" that $500 going to buy you is strictly relative to your desire to be different. Same with Macs. AmigaOne versus PC is much more of an emotional decision than a logical one. It always has been.
Yep... this is about the most accurate advice I've heard. Personally, as cool as the A1 might be (if AOS4 ever ships, but that's a different story) I just don't think it'll be $500 cool.
I mean, I built my PC, and took the $500 and bought a SGI Octane (512MB, R10k, SSI -- $200) and a TiVo ($300). Now THERE'S two cool toys for the $500! ;-)
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This is supposed to be Amigas great comeback but there is no chance when the hardware is still so expensive as if it was the late 80s/early 90s.
Gold plated solder on the board :lol:
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No, no! You were all supposed to talk me INTO buying the AOne! What's the matter with you?
Actually, though, it begins to look really bleak. I can't fork over that much dosh for a new and improved antique game machine.
I know that a few developers are still doing stuff for us, mostly Hyperion and..... Well, Hyperion!
Are there any commercial hardware (or software, at the risk of polluting this topic) developers working on wonderful things for the AOne? Or are they waiting to start when sales reach a magic number?
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No, no! You were all supposed to talk me INTO buying the AOne! What's the matter with you?
It comes down to this choice really......
Do you want a tool (PC/Mac) or do you want a "Big Boys Toy (TM) (A1/Peg)
I've already got my PC's so for me buying a Peg is a hobby choice, just something cool to play with. Just like when I got my A500 in 1989, except now I'm paying for it myself.
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Hi,
The pro's of the AmigaOne,
It is a new out of date slow toy that is good for a person who wants to play.
It don't use WinBlows.
The cons of the Amiga One
Its slow compared to the newer PC's
No software
No Operating system
Uses Linux (Are you a Geek?)
Uses ancient slow techno stuff.
The Amiga is litterally dead.
Does it have any developers?
One or Two stores will sell it!
A fired Gateway person helped develope it. This explains it all.
Have a nice day
Smerf
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No, no! You were all supposed to talk me INTO buying the AOne!
I doubt someone can without saying "Its runs OS4 when it comes out"
Hardware wise the A1 is pathetic when it comes to comparing it with other hardware so i only see OS4 as a reason to get one.
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These all apply to the A1 and the Peg:
Its slow compared to the newer PC's
Not that slow - and OS4 will fly on it.
No software
Look at Aminet for a start
No Operating system
It currently runs Linux and MacOS on top of that. OS4 isn't out yet, but it will run that.
Uses Linux (Are you a Geek?)
Linux is no longer a really geeky platform - many people and companies use it. Besides, aren't Amigans a bit geeky? :-)
Uses ancient slow techno stuff.
The components aren't slow - they're mediocre, but not slow. Besides they're way faster than the bottlenecks of a "classic" Amiga. And techno?
The Amiga is litterally dead.
Then why are there two new hardware systems and three new platforms coming out? Why are there busy forums like this?
Does it have any developers?
Yes - many individuals are interested in developing, and some companies (ie Hyperion) are definites.
One or Two stores will sell it!
And...?
A fired Gateway person helped develope it. This explains it all.
The OS (the important part) is developed by a company with an Amiga background, who are committed to the future of the platform.
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many valid points.
problem is the development cycle for amiga is that of a lame blind snail who is crawling through a pile of salt.
os4 needed to be out years ago. so did A1.
5 should have been out now.
people are sick and tired. kinda ironic that people are just realising this when everything is out (well, not os4.. i knew in january os4 wouldnt come out when stated).
theyre pushing their luck too far...
A2 should be out by now.
no hold on.. amiga should have been a software only company, as they promised, and brought out a x86 os4.. just like i moaned ages ago.
everyone slated me then, but now what are you all doing?!? building PCs i see... wouldn't you all like the 'amiga experience' on the thing you are all deciding to buy instead of the long awaited A1?
i would be ordering a copy (OS4) now, but they decided not to take my cash and waste a LOT of time and cash making custom expensive mid-performance hardware instead. solid business brains on amiga's shoulders..
now noone wants to buy their silly overprised 'exclusive' hardware.. its not BAD hardware, it's just that it's not cheap (i know, economy of scale, but if you know this, DONT BLOODY CHOOSE TO MAKE IT!!)
nobody buys it, os4 will go nowhere, and hey presto, a flop.
i miss amigaOS, i miss the (friendly) community.. i even dreamt last night i was doing stuff in DPAINT5!!!
but i have gotten cosy with a modern (albeit crashy crashy) OS loaded with free features and software..
why should i pay a lot for a lot less?? ill pay for the OS not hardware, as i feel they've made a stupid move.
i am rapidly nearing the end of my computer science degree, but cant really apply any skills to aOS coz i have to spend tons of cash on a board for a market that will yield me little cash for my efforts.
on top of that, i can not use many of the skills i have learnt on it either, as there is no s/w support (SQL?? any database support?? what sort of server do they dream of making the A1??) :-?
i really do hope people buy it. i want it to get SOME sort of pathetic market share and activity, so i can consider to one day get one when i win the lottery..
either that or gimme x86 AOS. hate the cpu, but who cares. its cheap. that its a crap cpu really doesnt cut it as an argument any more. noone codes the cpu direct.
my conclusion - Amiga Inc are thick, but U gotta love em!
BUY AMIGA ONE!! This really is 'if you were the last woman and i were the last man on earth' situation.
THERE WILL BE NO OFFSPRING IF YOU DON'T! consider yourself a hero that is doing his bit for his (country?? no...) platform.
or maybe we should put it out of its misery and wait for amigaOS to go open source so it can be ported onto x86..?!
won't happen soon or ever, so i suggest the first option..
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@SnowBord
What about AROS for x86? I haven't tried it
yet myself, but it seems to be looking better
and better these days. Maybe I'll pick up a
cheap PC and give it a whirl...
@Marky
Go with your gut on this one...what really
matters is how much fun and use you will
personally derive from it. If you're excited
about using OS4 then do it! You could also
wait just a bit more and see how things
materialize in the next few months...maybe
plan on a trip to AmiWest and check out
the machines in person (if that's an option)
or wait to hear some user response about OS4
shortly after it's released.
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The amiga was great back in 1988 to 1992, but from there after started a great decline. I think of it like this, proprietary mother board and cpu..., The pc market, you can get all kinds of software, just about anything you can think of, the pc has it, if you want it for the amiga, you have to beg developers to just consider it, then sit back and hold your breath and maybe, just maybe, you will see an amiga port. for me the added cost of just being able to say, "Yeah I have an AmigaOne" does not do a damn thing for me when there is no real software, I'm not really in love with the giant over head that windows has, but todays pc's can handle it without any struggle at a fraction of the cost.
REMEMBER, ITS NOT JUST THE OPERATING SYSTEM THAT MAKES A COMPUTER FUN AND PRODUCTIVE, ITS THE LEVEL AND AMOUNT OF SOFTWARE AVAILABLE
NOBODY SHOULD HAVE TO LOOK TO AMINET FOR THEIR FIRST CHOICE OF SOFTWARE FOR A NEW SYSTEM.
ALSO IF YOU DONT LIKE WINDOWS XP, THERE IS ALWAYS WINDOWS 2000 PROFESSIONAL, (TO ME THE BEST OS MS HAS COME OUT WITH, ROCK SOLID)
TO ALL THAT STATE YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH WINDOWS 2000 PRO, MAYBE YOU SHOULD JUST STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER, BOX IT UP AND BRING IT BACK TO THE STORE FOR EXCHANGE WITH A FISHER PRICE SPEAK AND SPELL OR SOMETHING
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Tickly wrote:
I'm getting an AmigaONE almost entirely because I *love* developing for AmigaOS, and don't really enjoy developing for Windows or Linux. OS4 takes the platform I love and extends and improves on it, so i can't wait....
SuperTV for OS4 :-D :-D :-D ????
Would be nice
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heh
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@dammy
I agree with you about AROS. It seems the Amiga should have followed the AROS route, and run on stock X86 hardware. Can you imagine, you could buy a new 'Amiga' for about $300 and it would still run like a dream, since Amiga operating systems (MorphOS, AOS & AROS) have such low system requirements.
It's not technically the most elegant, compared to PowerPC, but is this detail worth the exorbitant price difference? Even Mac motherboards don`t cost this much.
True, there's the thorny issue of quantity. Profit and return of investment has to be divided between far fewer customers then PC parts. While eyetech's Alan envisaged a larger market for his mainboards, I cannot really see his point. If electricity consumption is an issue, boards such as mini-itx offer laughable consumption (they can run off batteries!!) with 101% PC compatibility.
Having said that, I'd still buy a Pegasos or an A1 once the future is clearer. The former seems to be beutifully engineered, and if OS4 is ever released for it, it'll be a more attractive option. But I can't help think about the missed opportunity that was X86 - OS4.
see ya ppl