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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: AGSzabo on June 10, 2006, 04:36:14 PM
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ok, what is the current state of amiga hardware and system software? what is the latest news about os 4? do we get it or not?
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They're waiting for new hardware to be built so it won't be a marketing disaster when they promote it. For more info about AmigaOS 4 (which is currently up to prerelease 4 for those of us who have AmigaOne series computers) see AmigaWorld.net (http://amigaworld.net).
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should i buy an amigaone, or pegasus or wait for something else?
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so is there any new amiga hardware under construction?
will there be pegasos compatibility in the near future?
where can i see amiga os 4 screenshoots? where can i read developer class informations i.e. about how to code a gui under amiga os 4?
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@AGSzabo
so is there any new amiga hardware under construction?
The key phrase is "under construction". There are at least 3 projects that have a goal of producing new hardware. None of them look like producing new hardware anytime soon.
will there be pegasos compatibility in the near future?
OS4 will not support Pegasos (reasons are anyone's best guess: License from amiga inc is said to be the blocking factor, but those other projects seem to happily ignore the license problem. Personally I think the biggest problem is ego.)
If you want something now, the only choice is Pegasos and MorphOS. Then again, MorphOS is next generation amiga system aswell... If you want to read more about it, check Introduction to MorphOS (http://www.morphzone.org/modules/IntroToMorphOS) and MorphOS Developer Connection (http://developer.morphosppc.com/) (registering is free, and you get access to all developer material).
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Isn't ACK Controls suppost to be demoing his hardware today?
Edit: Amiga OS 4.0 info -
http://os4.hyperion-entertainment.biz
Damn it. Nope, no demo (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3142)... Hardware problems...
At this rate, it is slow and steady that wins the race. A lesson form the tortoise to the hare. Go, AROS, Go...
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The Amiga OS4 hardware situation is just pathetic and not about to change in the near future.
A CPU-modules demonstration from ACK Controls was just canceled for the second time. See here:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3142
The announcements of the other "company" Troika look even more vapourish.
Both basement projects failed to show anything so far.
I propose you don't wait for anything and move on.
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isn't morphos something built on mui? is there / will there be a firefox / java for morphos? will my 68k binaries run under morphos? if the answers are yes (except for mui which i dislike), i should give it a closer look. thank you.
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I've just read the "20 Reasons" page on Hyperion's OS4 site. Very impressive! I want it :-(
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moto
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isn't morphos something built on mui?
The desktop (Ambient) is built on it. Naturally you can use whatever GUI system in your own apps, boopsi, gadtools, classact, bgui or whatever.
is there / will there be a firefox / java for morphos?
In my personal opinion Firefox or Java are unlikely to happen for any amiga like system (AmigaOS 3.x, 4.x, MorphOS or AROS).
There's AmiZilla (http://www.discreetfx.com/AmiZilla.html) and JAmiga (http://www.jamiga.org/), but a lot should happen before these projects are finished.
will my 68k binaries run under morphos?
Assuming they're OS friendly, yes.
if the answers are yes (except for mui which i dislike), i should give it a closer look.
Out of interest, what's wrong with MUI?
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A CPU-modules demonstration from ACK Controls was just canceled for the second time. See here:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3142
Wow. I'm sure that came as a complete shock to everyone.
C'mon does anyone really believe this carp anymore?
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Marco wrote:
A Pegasos runs MorphOS or Linux (or MacOSX, but not legally) but not AOS4 (like MacOSX it's a legal problem rather than a physical one)
If you're including MacOSX in the list, with the 'not legally' qualifier, then you should include 'Amiga OS4' in there, with the same qualifier. The Peg also runs Amiga OS3.9 (under emulation), Aros PPC, QNX, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenSolaris, and probably a few more I forgot.
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>The desktop (Ambient) is built on it.
What the hell is it with these companies that need to come up with "trendy" names for things like your display? They're getting as bad as Apple. It reminds me of the early usenet poo flinging over the "Workbench operating system".
So. How about the Coldfire card?
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Lando wrote:
If you're including MacOSX in the list, with the 'not legally' qualifier, then you should include 'Amiga OS4' in there, with the same qualifier.
Really? How?
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moto
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Proper untrendy name for Ambient would be The desktop.
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Piru wrote:
Out of interest, what's wrong with MUI?
its overload, can do much more than you really need. and to me it still doesnt look nice. i like ReAction as it is.
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C'mon does anyone really believe this carp anymore?
Sadly yes. I just wonder when the troika and ack hoax will end.
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ok, what is the current state of amiga hardware and system software? what is the latest news about os 4? do we get it or not?
:horse:
Dammy
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any chance that amithlon gets resurrected?
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AGSzabo wrote:
any chance that amithlon gets resurrected?
I think that is very unlikely - the parties involved are not on the best of terms (to put it mildly).
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any chance that amithlon gets resurrected?
:horse: :horse:
Dammy
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im very sad :cry:
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@dammy
:D
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@AGSzabo
its overload, can do much more than you really need. and to me it still doesnt look nice. i like ReAction as it is.
you never seen Mui4, i suppose? Changes parsed in runtime and other little jewels ;-)
MorphOS and Mui4 grab (http://my.morphosi.net/cmcont/gallery/Robin/WBSnap.3.png)
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Lando wrote:
C'mon does anyone really believe this carp anymore?
No fish has ever lied to me.
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Framiga wrote:
MorphOS and Mui4 grab (http://my.morphosi.net/cmcont/gallery/Robin/WBSnap.3.png)
My god, that is seriously ugly.
With all its advanced abilities you'd think that someone would be able to make a decent ambient screen grab. Ugly WB syndrome is alive and well.
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Savan wrote:
C'mon does anyone really believe this carp anymore?
Sadly yes. I just wonder when the troika and ack hoax will end.
This article (http://www.ppcnux.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6413) should be some indication of what this "carp" is leading us toward.
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With all its advanced abilities you'd think that someone would be able to make a decent ambient screen grab. Ugly WB syndrome is alive and well.
MUI4 in action: http://www.lehtoranta.net/unsorted/UberAmbient.png
\o/
Edit: oops, ugly title bar visible. Here is fixed version:
http://www.lehtoranta.net/unsorted/UberAmbient-fixed.png
Eyecandy suxx.
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Framiga wrote:
@AGSzabo
you never seen Mui4, i suppose? Changes parsed in runtime and other little jewels ;-)
MorphOS and Mui4 grab (http://my.morphosi.net/cmcont/gallery/Robin/WBSnap.3.png)
it might be too good for me. well, let me see more, f.e. the configuration window!
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are you saying thats a mock or so?
@Uncharted
are you aware thats configurable?
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no. i believe you. i just would like to see more of it.
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Framiga wrote:
@Uncharted
are you aware thats configurable?
Configurable or not, that it still an ugly screengrab.
@itix
That's way too colourful for my tastes ;-)
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@uncharted
Ahha, you say you don't like colours? Take this (http://www.iki.fi/sintonen/pics/mui4fun.jpg)!
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where are more mui4 images? i did not find any on the mui website.
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That's way too colourful for my tastes
Here is something to make your eyes bleed. OS4 screenshot by "AmiGame/JerryUK", has just been posted on Amigaworld.
ugly OS4 screenshot (http://amigaworld.net/modules/myalbum/photos/417.jpg)
Can it get any more psychedelic? :crazy:
Let's make a competition for the most ugly screenshot! :-D
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humppa wrote:
That's way too colourful for my tastes
Here is something to make your eyes bleed. OS4 screenshot by "AmiGame/JerryUK", has just been posted on Amigaworld.
ugly OS4 screenshot (http://amigaworld.net/modules/myalbum/photos/417.jpg)
Can it get any more psychedelic? :crazy:
Let's make a competition for the most ugly screenshot! :-D
Nowadays the only difference between MUI and the AOS 4.0 implementation of ReAct in terms of appearance is that the skin settings for ReAct are global whereas MUI can have a different skin setting for each application.
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@uncharted
Try this two
http://members.lycos.nl/dehbi/snapshot_05_07062006.png
http://members.lycos.nl/dehbi/snapshot_00_07062006.png
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the amiga must read informations
isnt the so called "new" amiga hardware outdated? No! Read this: someone is rich if what he has is enough.the new amiga os 4 mainboards are good enough with what they have on them. they do not need so called newer or "better" parts.
boards on sale soon:
general: http://www.ppcnux.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6413
amy 05: http://www.troikang.com/ $400
powervixxen: http://safir.amigaos.se/article_ack_eng.html $300
boards on sale now:
amigaone:
http://www.eyetech.co.uk/search.php?SearchStr=&SearchCat=AMA1 550 uk pfunds
pegasos 2:
https://www.pegasosppc.com/store.php?category=1 EUR 415
http://www.vesalia.de/ EUR 500
EFIKA 5K2:
about: http://www.ppcnux.de/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5334
price/buy:
https://www.pegasosppc.com/store.php?category=19 EUR 250
http://www.vesalia.de/e_efika.htm
specs: http://www.genesippc.com/efika.php
SharkPPC: http://buy.elbox.com/cgibin/shop?info=350S1G $400
java for amiga:
active: http://www.jamiga.org/sites/faq.php
suspended:
http://ringlord.com/people/walrus/amiga/java.html
http://www.haage-partner.de/com/products/ja_e.htm
firefox (mozilla) for amiga:
get it here: http://amizilla.sourceforge.net/
donate here: http://www.discreetfx.com/AmiZilla.html
amiga os 4:
screenshoots:
http://www.golem.de/screenshots/0204/amigaos4/sc01.html
http://www.ppcnux.de/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1757
general:
http://www.amiga-magazin.de/magazin/a01-04/amigaOS4/index.html
http://os4.hyperion-entertainment.biz/
http://www.amiga.com/amigaos/
compatibility:
http://saimobvq.interfree.it/glUAE/index.html
forum for users and developers: http://www.amiga.org/
developers: http://www.amiga-magazin.de/
amiga news: http://www.amiga-news.de/
amiga demoscene archive: http://kestra.exotica.org.uk/
emulation of classic amiga: http://www.winuae.net/ can read amiga disks on pc!
amiga os on x86 (sourcecode compatible to amiga os 3.1):
AROS: http://www.aros.org
AROS forum: http://www.aros-exec.org
bounties: http://www.teamaros.org
AROS on CD: http://aros-max.co.uk/
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AGSzabo wrote:
i collected all i know so far::::
isnt the so called "new" amiga hardware outdated? No! Read this: someone is rich if what he has is enough.the new amiga os 4 mainboards are good enough with what they have on them. they do not need so called newer or "better" parts.
boards on sale soon:
general: http://www.ppcnux.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6413
amy 05: http://www.troikang.com/ $400
powervixxen: http://safir.amigaos.se/article_ack_eng.html $300
You forgot the SharkPPC. That one's been 'coming soon' for 6 years now and counting.
boards on sale now:
amigaone: http://www.eyetech.co.uk/search.php?SearchStr=&SearchCat=AMA1 $550
$550? The cheapest board on that page is over $975. Anyway that page is out of date by almost a year. There are no AmigaOnes to buy. Didn't you see 'Last modified: 29-07-2005'
java for amiga:
http://www.jamiga.org/sites/faq.php
http://ringlord.com/people/walrus/amiga/java.html
http://www.haage-partner.de/com/products/ja_e.htm
The last update on the H&P Java page was from 7 years ago, and the other site you list from 6 years ago. And Jamiga (the only one with any relatively recent work on it) is a very very early alpha which doesn't run anything and in it's current form is useless.
(Edit. I don't mean that the JAmiga project is useless, it's a very worthwhile and much-needed project, I just mean that it isn't much use for running Java applications at the moment but that should improve as it becomes more complete)
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Lando wrote:
boards on sale now:
amigaone: http://www.eyetech.co.uk/search.php?SearchStr=&SearchCat=AMA1 $550
$550? The cheapest board on that page is over $975.
that are complete systems. the boards only is ca 550 (well, one ist 528 and the other 587 ).
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Where does it say $ on that site ?
Why oh why does "Amiga" only attract :crazy: :crazy: these days :roll: :roll:
Oh and offcourse there is no A1 on sale anywhere (except fleaBay&Co), nor will that ever change.
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You forgot a bunch of links:
AROS: http://www.aros.org (http://www.aros.org)
AROS Community Portal: http://www.aros-exec.org (http://www.aros-exec.org)
TeamAROS: http://www.teamaros.org (http://www.teamaros.org)
AROS Distro: http://aros-max.co.uk/ (http://aros-max.co.uk/)
AROS Hardware: http://www.pricewatch.com (http://www.pricewatch.com) :-D
Dammy
TeamAROS
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aros wont run binary 68k code but amiga os 4 and morphos do. so i left it out. an emulation part in aros though would be welcome to me.
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aros wont run binary 68k code but amiga os 4 and morphos do. so i left it out. an emulation part in aros though would be welcome to me.
There is AROS E-UAE.
Dammy
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dammy wrote:
There is AROS E-UAE.
Dammy
i tried it and it crashed all the time. currently the only superb uae is winuae. annother good variant of uae is http://saimobvq.interfree.it/glUAE/index.html as it extends the OS directly and can run multiple instances from the same codebase.
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AGSzabo wrote:
Lando wrote:
boards on sale now:
amigaone: http://www.eyetech.co.uk/search.php?SearchStr=&SearchCat=AMA1 $550
$550? The cheapest board on that page is over $975.
that are complete systems. the boards only is ca 550 (well, one ist 528 and the other 587 ).
No. Those are UK£ prices. The cheapest motherboard (£528) is over $975 USD (or around $1100 CAD). But those are just the prices they used to be when they were available, which they no longer are.
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He made a mistake. Be nice! :)
You know that Mr Szabo has made some useful software for the Amiga over the years such as XFR.
http://www.psi5.com/~silva/afilter/
and also a searchable interface to the Amiga Demo Encyclopedia which is very useful
http://kestra.exotica.org.uk
... on the amigaone thing. If you want AmigaOS compatible computer with some faster ppc hardware, then in my opinion Pegasos/Morphos is the only way to go. Although I would prefer to be able to run Morphos on something like a Mac Mini :-)
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hello buzz, good to see you here. only thing that prevents me from buying a pegasos is.... well, i want firefox/java and amiga os 4 and i guess that some other board will work with os 4 first. amithlon would be fine also. i guess these are the things that EVERYBODY here wants. btw, xfr works on morphos, that means it is correctly emulated.
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There is a morphos browser based on Konqeror being developed. I don't think there is a version of firefox for amigaos4. There have been projects, but none of them I think are active (Correct me if I'm wrong).
I'm also not convinced amigaos4 offers anything more than morphos in terms of functionality. Infact I read you can run much amigaos4 software on morphos (Correct me if I'm wrong) :)
In a real world where people have logical business ideas, I would be able to go out and buy a pegasos, or other PPC hardware, and buy amigaos4 and morphos for it.
But this is amigaworld (snigger), where everything is upside down.
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Justone wrote:
@uncharted
Try this two
http://members.lycos.nl/dehbi/snapshot_05_07062006.png
http://members.lycos.nl/dehbi/snapshot_00_07062006.png
Those are pretty nice... however those blue arrows on scrollbars stick out like a sore thumb.
Yes I'm very picky :-P
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i tried it and it crashed all the time.
Haven't heard anything recent like that. Maybe a new bug, AROS folks always could use info on bugs, btw. So when you do find something, please report it. :-)
Dammy
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buzz wrote:
I don't think there is a version of firefox for amigaos4. There have been projects, but none of them I think are active (Correct me if I'm wrong).
You are wrong. See here (http://www.discreetfx.com/AmiZilla.html) and here (http://amizilla.sourceforge.net/). Note that Amizilla isn't for AmigaOS4 only, it's for all Amiga-like OSes. Also Ibrowse is still in development (at a painfully slow pace) and Paihia is a completely new browser we might see at the end of the year. A new version of AWeb is also supposed to be based on Konqueror. However, I think that they're waiting for KHTML to be ported to Morphos first before porting it across to OS4 and 68k.
Consider yourself corrected. :-)
Hans
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You are wrong.
Oh.. well. I know about those. and if those are your examples I do not think I am wrong.. Amizilla does not seem active (Certainly going by the CVS and news on site). I personally don't think it will ever be finished, But I would love to be proved wrong.
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i mentioned a lot of boards in progress but what about a pegasos 3 or a direct amigaone successor? never seen them though i heard somthing...
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AGSzabo wrote:
what about a pegasos 3 or an amigaone successor?
The Pegasos 3 will be Genesi's new dual CPU / Quad-core G5 machine. There will also be an upgrade scheme for current Pegasos II owners (trade in your PegII board for a big discount).
There isn't any new AmigaOne on the horizon. If there was then it would have to come from Eyetech, as they own the AmigaOne trademark. The problem is that Mai no longer design hardware, and the only other company currently making desktop PPC hardware (apart from Apple) is Genesi.
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:idea: thats the idea. lets get the pegasos 3 and os 4 together! :knuddel:
how much or how little shall the pegasus 3 cost?
apple went intel.. i do not expect more ppc hardware from them.
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AGSzabo wrote:
:idea: thats the idea. lets get the pegasos 3 and os 4 together! :knuddel:
In an ideal world :-) OS4 would fly on a quad-core G5 machine.
apple went intel.. i do not expect more ppc hardware from them.
Yes, Apple will keep selling the G5-based Powermacs (and XServe's) until August when they switch them to the new Intel Core 2 Duo, leaving PPC behind completely.
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The Pegasos 3 will be Genesi's new dual CPU / Quad-core G5 machine.
Do we really need more vapourvare, or even more "test-balloons" launched by Genesi?
First get the Efika out.
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Lando wrote:
In an ideal world :-) OS4 would fly on a quad-core G5 machine.
i want it, i want it, i want it!
the universe structures are all ideal in order to let life be possible on earth. this ideality is also present in the computer scene and that means we are going to get this quad-core g5 board with amiga os 4.
:cheers:
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the universe structures are all ideal in order to let life be possible on earth. this ideality is also present in the computer scene and that means we are going to get this quad-core g5 board with amiga os 4.
Cool. A quad-core G5 and not even being able to visit most websites due to crappy browsers (Ibrowse and AWeb) or using a decent office package.
Yeah, but I guess we really need G5 for screen-dragging.
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The Pegasos 3 will be Genesi's new dual CPU / Quad-core G5 machine.
Heh. So much for energy effeciency. :-)
The new Intel Conroe processors are looking VERY good, and supposedly run very cool. It looks like PPC outside the embedded market is going to be very rare. Without any decent chipsets, new PPC boards are unlikely.
Damn stubborn egos and politics...
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buzz wrote:
You are wrong.
Oh.. well. I know about those. and if those are your examples I do not think I am wrong.. Amizilla does not seem active (Certainly going by the CVS and news on site). I personally don't think it will ever be finished, But I would love to be proved wrong.
The last thing I heard was in May over here (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=19145&forum=32#296590). Anton Reinauer gave the update specifically because people were claiming that the project was dead. They really should update that site more often. I can't comment about the CVS contents as I haven't looked at it. It's possible that some people are slow with uploading their updates to the CVS.
Ultimately we will have to wait and see when/if Firefox is ported.
Hans