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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: bakoulis on June 06, 2006, 02:51:49 PM
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I have burn many cds, with various 030 Amigas to the past, with the makeCD 3.2 without problems. Last year I try to backup my HD to cds but the buffer (about 10MB) run quickly to empty. The result is not correctly writen cds. I upgrade to 040 from 030 but with same results! I try with image file and without image, with DAO or TAO but nothing. I use an idefix buffered adapter with a master 2.5 HD (8GB) and a master 3.5 combo DVD/CDRW BTC. Ofcourse I have install the idefix 97' software to support it. The crazy thing is that I have burn many cds with other amigas (A500 020/33mhz!!! & A1200T 030/50mhz) to the past without problems. Ideas? :-?
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i had a similar problem recently and after a clean install from scratch of the makecd all problems gone. i use the standard a1200 ide port though...
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There's an option in MakeCD to disable concurrent reads and writes. This could help in this case.
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You could try reducing the write speed in the MakeCD options.
Iirc
0 = automatic or maximum (I forget)
1 = 1x speed
2 = 2x speed
3 = 4x speed
etc.
Should all be in the docs..
Also, make sure your CD burner is set up corectly in IDEfix prefs to use maximum speed (0). Not sure if this makes a difference when MakeCD takes over, but can't hurt to try.
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@Boot_WB: in my setup i have set the speed at 1x but the prog writes by it's self from 6x to 8x...
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Even 6x to 8x is still less than 2MB/s - should be no problem to read from scsi or RAM to CD writer on the IDE bus. If you're trying to write an image from a hard drive on the IDE bus this could be a major problem though.
If the image file is small enough, and you have enough RAM, try moving the image file to your RAM disk and writing to disk from there. Otherwise you'll have to find a way of forcing MakeCD to write at a lower speed. I'm sure there must be a setting somewhere which allows this?
Is the hard drive containing your image file on the same IDE cable as your CD writer? I'm not sure whether it might be better to have them on seperate IDE lines, or whether it would make little difference.
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in a3000 with the standard scsi controler, when i'm setting the speed at 1x writes at 1x. in a1200 dosn't work. i have try to write both image files and direct files from a partition (i.e. System). when i'm writing files from the partition the burn process is faster. in any case, i only have the standard ide port of the a1200.
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Try what I told you. It might be that the IDE bus is blocked while a write command is active, so no data can be read from the partition. This is even more probable with the drives being on different channels of the IDEfix adapter, because the read and write commands have to be finished before the IDEfix software can switch to the other channel. You should try to connect both devices as master and slave to the same channel.
The IDEfix adapter is not the same as the two disjunctive IDE controllers on a PC motherboard. The IDEfix only allows one IDE controller to be switched between two cables. But you can access only one cable at a time. If you read the manual of the IDEfix adapter, you'll see that you should first fill the first channel with a master and a slave before you use the second channel to connect a third and fourth device.
Bye,
Thomas
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Thomas wrote:
The IDEfix adapter is not the same as the two disjunctive IDE controllers on a PC motherboard. The IDEfix only allows one IDE controller to be switched between two cables. But you can access only one cable at a time. If you read the manual of the IDEfix adapter, you'll see that you should first fill the first channel with a master and a slave before you use the second channel to connect a third and fourth device.
To my case the first channel is for my 2.5 HD. I can't connect 2 HDs on it, the cable is short and have only 1 connector. The second channel have the 3.5 DVD/CDRW as master too.
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When burning with image, does it make the image successfully first or will it stop there? Does the buffer underrun happen at same place always? Have you tried to write some other data? Is your HD badly fragmented? It could affect with that low spec system. Your CDRW doesn't have buffer underrun protection?
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pVC wrote:
When burning with image, does it make the image successfully first or will it stop there? Does the buffer underrun happen at same place always? Have you tried to write some other data? Is your HD badly fragmented? It could affect with that low spec system. Your CDRW doesn't have buffer underrun protection?
It create image to HD successfully. And the buffer goes to empty ever with same steps in a few secs. The rest you have wrote is not happened to my system.
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bakoulis wrote:
To my case the first channel is for my 2.5 HD. I can't connect 2 HDs on it, the cable is short and have only 1 connector. The second channel have the 3.5 DVD/CDRW as master too.
AFAIK the IDEfix adapter has one 2.5" connector and two 3.5" connectors. The 2.5" connector and the first 3.5" connector are shortened, so you can have the master on the 2.5" cable and the slave on the first 3.5" cable. So you should try to connect your CD writer to the other 3.5" connector and change the jumper to slave. It should then be scsi.device unit 1 (if idefix software is running) or atapi.device unit 1 (in any case) instead of unit 2 as before.
And there is still the "no concurrent reads and writes" option in MakeCD waiting to be tested.
Bye,
Thomas
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I have tied the other port of adapter but don't worked at any combination (master or slave or CS). So, I have returned to other port and device unit 2.
What do you mean: "And there is still the "no concurrent reads and writes" option in MakeCD waiting to be tested." I hear for it first time.
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"no concurrent reads and writes"
He means in the preferences, Hardware Compatibility Settings, Parallel read/write.
If this is off, try with it on.
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If this is off, try with it on.
And vice versa. IIRC it is on by default but should be off in this case.
Bye,
Thomas
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I have tried everything but nothing....
I'll try a new clean install...and maybe works.
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amije wrote:
@Boot_WB: in my setup i have set the speed at 1x but the prog writes by it's self from 6x to 8x...
I thing the biggest problem is the modern hardware (DVD/CDRW).
The modern combo drives have minimum write speed the 8x.
That is the problem I thing. The program try to write at this high speed for amiga specs and the buffer goes to empty very fast. Anybody writes at 8x with success to amiga1200 ide with makeCD? Anybody uses modern combo DVD/CDRW and writes CDs with lower speeds than 6x-8x with makeCD? If anybody make it please let me know that.
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i'm writing ok at 8x with a 52x32x52 cdrw. i'm using scsi.device and not atapi.device as i did in the past because i noticed that with scsi.device the cd can write at faster speeds. the cdrw is connected as slave at the standard ide port of a1200
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"I use an idefix buffered adapter with a master 2.5 HD (8GB) and a master 3.5 combo DVD/CDRW BTC"
Have you already successfully used that BTC combo with other Amiga system or its new?
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amije wrote:
i'm writing ok at 8x with a 52x32x52 cdrw. i'm using scsi.device and not atapi.device as i did in the past because i noticed that with scsi.device the cd can write at faster speeds. the cdrw is connected as slave at the standard ide port of a1200
What specs have your amiga? Mine have 040 blizzard but it fail to keep the buffer full.
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Framiga wrote:
"I use an idefix buffered adapter with a master 2.5 HD (8GB) and a master 3.5 combo DVD/CDRW BTC"
Have you already successfully used that BTC combo with other Amiga system or its new?
No I haven't successfully used that BTC to the past, is new to my system (I bought it from vesalia with an external cdrom case). To the past I used makecd with old drives like "Acer 2x CDR", Sony 8x CDRW" and "Toshiba 4x CDRW".
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bakoulis wrote:
What specs have your amiga? Mine have 040 blizzard but
it fail to keep the buffer full.
a1200, bliz1260/50, 192mb ram, 60gb ibm hd, subway usb, 150w psu, pcmcia ethernet, cdrw lg 52x32x52, amiga os 3.9 bb2.
it was writing ok too in the past with 32mb ram, 4gb seagate hd, os 3.5, and cdrw sony 12x.
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a1200, bliz1260/50, 192mb ram, 60gb ibm hd, subway usb, 150w psu, pcmcia ethernet, cdrw lg 52x32x52, amiga os 3.9 bb2.
it was writing ok too in the past with 32mb ram, 4gb seagate hd, os 3.5, and cdrw sony 12x.[/quote]
I thing the 060 is enough for 8x writing but my 040 isn't.
Plus my 8GB 2.5 hd is only 4.200rpm.
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No I haven't successfully used that BTC to the past, is new to my system (I bought it from vesalia with an external cdrom case). To the past I used makecd with old drives like "Acer 2x CDR", Sony 8x CDRW" and "Toshiba 4x CDRW".
i think the problem is the BTC unit, unfortunately.
AFAIK BTC is a OEM producer and that devices rely very much on the power of the CPU where is working on. (see PCs)
My Teac (and probably your previous CD writers in some way) have 8 MB of data buffer/write proof and rely very well even with my old 040 CPU card (writing on the fly as well)
btw.... have you updated your "makecdromfs.module" recently?
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bakoulis wrote:
I thing the 060 is enough for 8x writing but my 040 isn't.
Plus my 8GB 2.5 hd is only 4.200rpm.
i don't know about cpu speed problems but i have to say that from the moment that i start to use scsi.device i'm writing cds on the fly and not cd images as i do it in the past with atapi.device. as for the hard disk, sysinfo reports 1.8mb/sec transfer rate on my hard disks (the old and the new i use now)
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Framiga wrote:
No I haven't successfully used that BTC to the past, is new to my system (I bought it from vesalia with an external cdrom case). To the past I used makecd with old drives like "Acer 2x CDR", Sony 8x CDRW" and "Toshiba 4x CDRW".
i think the problem is the BTC unit, unfortunately.
AFAIK BTC is a OEM producer and that devices rely very much on the power of the CPU where is working on. (see PCs)
My Teac (and probably your previous CD writers in some way) have 8 MB of data buffer/write proof and rely very well even with my old 040 CPU card (writing on the fly as well)
btw.... have you updated your "makecdromfs.module" recently?
The BTC is the problem is my opinion. What to you mean "makecdromfs.module"?
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bakoulis wrote:
The BTC is the problem is my opinion. What to you mean "makecdromfs.module"?
makecd 32c (http://makecd.core.de/ftp/MakeCD32c-internet.lha) update (http://makecd.core.de/ftp/MakeCD32d_public_beta_11.lha) makecdromfs 45.12 (http://makecd.core.de/ftp/makecdromfs_45_12.lha)
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makecd 32c (http://makecd.core.de/ftp/MakeCD32c-internet.lha) update (http://makecd.core.de/ftp/MakeCD32d_public_beta_11.lha) makecdromfs 45.12 (http://makecd.core.de/ftp/makecdromfs_45_12.lha)[/quote]
The update didn't help. Same story like before.
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