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Operating System Specific Discussions => Amiga OS => Amiga OS -- Development => Topic started by: takemehomegrandma on May 02, 2003, 12:21:10 PM
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April 2003: Bill has to come in and testify about his finances. Of course, he's broke. He can't pay. This is when we learn of the new CEO, Gary Hare, and Bill's virtual washout by the Dutch firm.
Meanwhile: Wow, those health bills and stuff really hozed our credit rating, we can't buy a house.
Tears are shed, its a bad scene. This is what working for Amiga, Incorporated brought me.
I work as a bicycle mechanic in Bellevue, Washington now. At this rate, we'll be out of debt in about six years.
We spent our retirement accounts etc. while living without pay and believing in the dream, being strung along with promises of money, its almost here, your stock options might be huge, blah blah blah..
This is my story. You will note that Amiga's financial troubles began long before 9/11, before the tech downturn got crazy and so on..
A very interesting (and extremely sad) story, if it's true. Is it? I think so. Read the complete post in it's full context over at:
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1051799407&category=forum&number=32#comment (http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1051799407&category=forum&number=32#comment)
Suddenly it all makes sense to me! Not just this Amiga Inc CEO issue, but I think it explains a lot of what has happened to Amiga Inc during the past years. It answeres a lot of questions regarding "Amiga Incorporated" that previously was left completely unanswered.
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yep I read the same thing... it is indeed sad...and in my opinon maybe even pathetic on the part of AI...if indeed it does turn out to be true... ... I believe it is...
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That is heavy duty and quite depressing to read.
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Yeah, and let's not forget what happened with Viscorp as well. (http://amiga.emugaming.com/almaclose.html) Remember Bill Buck's other "Amiga" company???
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@ Herewegoagain
I was tempted to respond to that, but that is another topic. You know it. If you want to discuss Viscorp, then start another thread.
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Well. Here we go again with Herwegoagain - just posted the same on ANN (http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1051799407&category=forum&number=40#comment) and I responded thusly in the following comment:
I'll trot out the weekly Ralph Jolyon quote here to save myself any wasted thought ; }
"Oh, and a quick word about the rumours about Almathera/Viscorp - a lot of things were said about the demise of Almathera and viscorp's part in it, some attributed to me, which were simply not true. If they were true I wouldn't be so happy to be working with Bill again, and I'm certainly happy to!"
Sorry, takemehomegrandma.
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@Herewegoagain
What in the bloody hell does Viscorp or Bill Buck have to do with the FACT that Amiga Inc nearly destroyed Bolton Peck's entire livelyhood? Here's a hint, absolutely nothing.
It's just yet another quite boring and predictable attempt by those of you who feel Amiga Inc can do no wrong to divert attention from the fact that they (Amiga Inc) aren't quite perfect.
I for one KNOW Bolton's story is true. I have no doubts whatsoever. If you can't accept the facts, this isn't my problem. I'm simply very, very glad I never took them up on the Job offer in June of 2000 or I'd be right along with Bolton.
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aren't quite perfect.
you can say that again ... :roflmao:
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Does this mean we're not getting our T-Shirts?
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huronking, who knows. Maybe the "tire repair guy" might even get a t-shirt out of this ordeal.
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I think it has alot to do with the current campain by people who seem to want to keep starting these anti-Amiga threads. Just remember where the company you are supporting came from. They are not with completely clean hands either. Of course you will all dispute it and claim their innocence to the end... and then you call the rest of us "cheerleaders".
I personally have never said Amiga hasn't or cannot do any wrong. I know they can and have. But if everyday that you came into the forum and someone were creating a new thread about how terrible Genesi are, wouldn't you get kinda tired of it? I am not here to support "Amiga Inc" directly, although by supporting Hyperion and Eyetech, I do indirectly support AI. But you guys need to give this stuff a rest. You are all starting to sound like Bill Buck.
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@herewegoagain,
It's not about pro this, or anti that anything. If anything, my only severe interest is in unveiling the truth. If Genesi had lied to this community on the same level it now appears Amiga Inc is guilty of, I would accept (demand) proof of that as well.
I know that's hard for some to accept, but the people who have trouble accepting it are the same people who don't understand that Anti-Amiga Inc does NOT equal Pro {insert company X}.
After 12 years of supporting the Amiga community, and 6 years of dealing directly with McEwen, I want ... no ... I demand the truth from the people involved, and I eventually will get it ... by legal means, one way or another. It's that simple.
If I am wrong, then I will apologize. That too is simple.
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/me refills the popcorn supply, gets a few cases of coke and settles on the couch.
:roll:
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After 12 years of supporting the Amiga community, and 6 years of dealing directly with McEwen, I want ... no ... I demand the truth from the people involved, and I eventually will get it ... by legal means, one way or another. It's that simple.
'Legal means' is what's the problem nowadays.
You might get the truth or justification or whatever you do it for but in the end you will have destroyed a lot also.
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PulsatingQuasar,
but in the end you will have destroyed a lot also.
I don't know about you sir, but I don't want to be any part of something the truth could destroy. Truth is salvation. The truth will set you free. Sometimes the truth hurts.
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I'll be honest. I own a Pegasos, yet am rarely believe statements coming from BBRV without proofs.
Despite that I used to believe Wayne's best intents, and proofs seem to come in - I still cannot believe it.
Maybe it's something to do with that I believed in all AIncs before, till the last moment.
Or in another words, as maybe a "heretic" in cheerleaders eyes I cannot believe it, as it is too nice to be true.
Whatever, I warn you: expect popcorn shortages soon. :-)
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Wayne wrote:
I don't know about you sir, but I don't want to be any part of something the truth could destroy. Truth is salvation. The truth will set you free. Sometimes the truth hurts.
Damn right, those are words to be read and understood. Don't close you eyes and ignore facts. Don't blinding follow any company simply because of a name. Opening your eyes and accepting the major faults of A-Inc doesnt mean you are anti OS4 or pro MOS! It means you enjoy reality!
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Normally I love it when the information comes out. But I don't understand why threads keep getting pulled from various websites, and if
something is so wrong as to be pull a thread, maybe that something
can't be discussed either...heck I don't know anymore.
I just know I don't find it enjoyable to participate in this discussion.
But, I still glad others are talking, I guess I will do something unusual for me....just sit back and read.
oh heck, I can't help myself...I do know one thing, if a new CEO
has been in place for months, its ashame how much his control of
the corporate website is lacking.
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Stop messing about and ask the cover up king himself,
(http://amigaworld.net/images/ask-fleecy.jpg)
Click Here is disabled :-)
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@Paul
AAARGHH!! Damn I wish that violated something so I could yank it;-)
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I sure wish that violated something
hmmm... copyright law? :-D but don't take it down, its funny ;)
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I know that's hard for some to accept, but the people who have trouble accepting it are the same people who don't understand that Anti-Amiga Inc does NOT equal Pro {insert company X}.
Sorry Wayne,
it's either Pro Amiga Inc or Pro Genesi.
Those who don't care at all have long left the platform. Where "Pro" doesn't mean you follow blindly, you just trust this company more than the other. It 's difficult to hate them of love them equally unless you are an A500 user having moved to Windoze 95 when it came along.
Well, it's hard for me to trust anything from Genesi, Bill Buck et al and I DO care about Amiga as a platform so that makes me Pro Amiga Inc. I have been disappointed with the company so far but I can live with it.
Regarding Peck's issues and Amiga Inc status I am interested in hearing the other side first.
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Point taken Wayne, but still, BBRV isn't much better then Amiga Inc at the end of the day. It's simply unfair of him of using Amiga Inc's troubles for his own profit, when he did much, much worse himself.
People lost a lot of money and companies went bankrupt because of Mr.Buck, don't forget it!
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@ toRus
Regarding Peck's issues and Amiga Inc status I am interested in hearing the other side first.
Are you kidding? All you'll get (if *anything* at this point) is "Everything is on shedule and rockin'!" :-P
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@Jethro_Tull
I don't get your point. Gensi(bbrv) has a product that actually ships. If you like that product you buy it. Amiga Inc's only product I can see at the moment that actually ships is the WinCE game pack at CompUSA. If you like that product you buy it. All this soap opera is to us should only be entertainment. Has bbrv said things that people can find annoying or wrong? Probably. Has Fleecy and BillMC? Yup. Has Bill Gates? Absolutely. If you were to base product purchases soley on what a senior officer at the respective company has been known to say, you would never buy anything. That goes for Pepsi, American AirLines, Microsoft, McDonlads etc
Henry Ford and Walt Disney were known nazi sympathisers. Have you ever driven in a Ford or went to Disney World? And this is a more extreme example.
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A very sad story indeed.
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@Jethro_Tull
Point taken Wayne, but still, BBRV isn't much better then Amiga Inc at the end of the day.
Why? Because he's point blank and abrasive? Because he isn't afraid to call it like he sees it? BBRV isn't easy to take for everyone, and I agree that he can be his own worst enemy with his aggressive style and mannerisms but he's done nothing here but deliver a product.
It's simply unfair of him of using Amiga Inc's troubles for his own profit, when he did much, much worse himself.
Again, I must ask you "Why?" What is so "unfair" about using standard business tactics (and it *is* standard) to compete?
Remember folks, this isn't personal for him or Amiga Inc. This is business.
I don't know about BBRV's "past history". In part, because in this current situation between Genesi and the Amiga, his past history is not relevant. The only relevant thing here is
1) the fact that BBRV told the truth (no matter how much you HATE the bitter truth, want to blame him for it, or want to claim the contrary) -- whether appropriate or not for him to do so is debatable --
2) Genesi is, and has been actively and openly supporting the Amiga community including Web sites as well as it's members. This is more than can be said for Amiga Inc (not counting shows) though I honestly wish it had come about differently.
In the end -- and this seems like the end to me -- Bill McEwen and Fleecy Moss are fully responsible for their own actions and the fate of Amiga Inc. No one else.
Remember one thing here folks. *IF* Amiga Inc folds (and I hope that they don't, I just hope the rumors of a re-org are true), that doesn't mean that your Amigas are any less useful than when Commodore folded. The "death" of Amiga Inc should not affect the community because we will still be here, chugging away with Genesi, AND Hyperion / Eyetech. Only the "middle man" would be different.
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Remember one thing here folks. *IF* Amiga Inc folds (and I hope that they don't,
I really hope they do, they have gone to far now and the sooner they fold the better and hopefully some new fresh genuine people will take over and actually do something.
The Amiga should be about the machine,community, instead of supporting a dodgy cowboy outfit just because they own the IP.
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The Truth is the first victim of any conflict.
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Good taste?
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@Wayne
No, these are not business tactics. Attacking people on a personal level, demaining them and sometimes literally stalking them are definitly not business tactics. I will not be giving my hard earned cash to someone like BBRV, who literally crucifies whoever gets in his way. Finally, I'm surprised at how quickly you sweep BBRV's troublsome past under the carpet.
@redrumloa
You're sidestepping the subject. My mail was about BBRV using Amiga Inc's alleged troubles for his own profits, when he did far worst with his previous business venture, which went bankrupt and took other valuable Amiga companies in the grave with it.
@toRus
'Well, it's hard for me to trust anything from Genesi, Bill Buck et al and I DO care about Amiga as a platform so that makes me Pro Amiga Inc.'
I agree 101%, well said. At the end of the day, we're here to support the Amiga platform, not pale imitations. Hopefully Hyperion are coding away while we're writing all of this, so the new Amiga computer can finally see the light of the day!
Thanks ppl
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Trust noone. It's that simple.
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I'm assuming a re-org too. I assume the Dutch investors and the other investors would like to at least get most of their invested money back. It seems that (from what "information" has been posted) a liquidation of Amiga, Inc. assest would not amount to much. Leaving two options for investors; be stuck with a 5+ million dollar loss or reorganize and try to make it work in hopes of getting their investment back with , hopefully, abit of profit.
P.S. Has anyone scared up any info on these Dutch investors that own 50% of Amiga, Inc. and or a decent bio of Garry Hare?
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I DO care about Amiga as a platform so that makes me Pro Amiga Inc.'
So to care about the Amiga you have to support a Mickey Mouse company what are involved in all sorts of fraud and deception?
Nonsence, i think AOS is great and have been using it since the late 80s but there is no way i will defend cowboy companies just so i can be branded a TRUE AMIGAN, blindness is wrong.
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Hey, Don't talk about Disney that way! :-P
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Just an idea... Told many times.
But now as the management responsible for the split in the community (MOS/OS4) is in trouble, wouldn't it be wise to join the efforts instead of finalizing the damage? I'd love to see Hyperion games popping up on MOS, not to mention, if they join forces the development curve of a joined OS can be skyrocketed... IMO
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When commodore folded, ppl left the platform in droves, and developers too.
and what we saw, was a computer that once previously often got the best software and got it first...being delegated to the occasional also-ran, and that hurt.
to where we are now, we don't have as much to lose now....but still this has got to hurt sales of the AmigaONE....I know some people will purchase no matter what, but this is confidence shaker.
I hope they do something and soon. I hold out the possibility that this could all be for the best and bring the community back together as well....possible.
on another subject.
No, BBRV isn't just eccentric.
Apple Mac OS X CANNOT RUN ON A PEGASOS or on an AMIGAONE. It's a violation of American law. The EULA prohibits it, and for better or worse the DMCA laws here back that up.
lawbreaking is going too far. And I am not ready to make a citizens arrest, or accuse someone of breaking the law (not doing that) but I do observe the websites showing MorphOS/pegasos and for that matter linux/AmigaONE violating apple's eula. That needs to be clarified...and btw...c'mon.
I can respect a loud mouthed eccentric, I don't know why, but its in my heart to forgive such a failing.
But some things are a bridge too far.
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No, these are not business tactics. Attacking people on a personal level, demaining them and sometimes literally stalking them are definitly not business tactics.
Forgive me if I am wrong. I might not know everything involved, so I would seriously, honestly like to be corrected if I am wrong, but I have never seen BBRV attack anyone on a personal level or demeaning them. I ***HAVE*** seen Bill Buck trying to defend himself against the onslaught of people screaming at him and trying to slam him. Sometimes he has gone a little overboard, but you need to understand something. Attacking is to come first. Anything after that is defending.
If you call me a liar and I call you a moron, which one of us is at fault?
I will not be giving my hard earned cash to someone like BBRV, who literally crucifies whoever gets in his way.
Then I guess you'll never eat at McDonalds, or Burger King. Buying a PC is out of the question, and you'll never, ever own any sort of automobile or wear any clothes. Each of these markets is cut-throat. That is business. This is business.
Finally, I'm surprised at how quickly you sweep BBRV's troublsome past under the carpet.
Again, I'm not aware of his past, only his present. Please let me know in very clear terms exactly how BBRV's alleged past is relevant to this current situation?
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Apple Mac OS X CANNOT RUN ON A PEGASOS or on an AMIGAONE. It's a violation of American law.
Well, AFAIK Genesi is a European held company and running OSX on an A1 or Peg is NOT a violation of European law. If I buy a piece of software, it is mine. I can do with it what I please within the limits of UK law and EU law. No American lawyer will be able to stop me. They can have a try if they want.
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except Genesi operates in the U.S., as one of its countries...they announced this, and if they violate American law, then they can be held liable.
certainly I don't think you personally are in any danger.
I won't comment on european law only because it isn't necessary, however they do have their own versions of 'dmca' type laws.
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I won't comment on european law only because it isn't necessary, however they do have their own versions of 'dmca' type laws.
EULA's are worth nothing over here.
Even in the states though, I can't see how people running MacOSX on a Peg would get Genesi in trouble with the law.
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To the best of my knowledge (BBRV is welcome to correct me if I am wrong), I have never seen Genesi talk about selling the other OS's. They certainly can't help if their hardware supports it though.
Selling I think is the part that might land them in hot water.
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Until Genesi is even noticed on Apple's RADAR, I doubt anything would happen. I will point out all the different third party boards came out for the Amigas to run MacOS on and Apple never bitched. Now that Apple is into the music biz, they may have even greater tollerances for MOL style apps.
Now where is Samface at? I think he has ALOT of explaining to do about this thread and his fanatical support of Amiga Inc...
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Now where is Samface at? I think he has ALOT of explaining to do about this thread and his fanatical support of Amiga Inc...
Don't be so quick to point the finger at other site members or twist the blade here folks. Forgive and forget and all that jazz.
We all have opinions. Statistically, 50% of them are wrong.
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I think you all are being geniune so let me be geniune.
I have observed apple for some time.
And, they aren't nice and will be upset, if they ever find out about something...I won't do it, but BB has enough enemies that you never know what someone will do.
Here is the thing...in the U.S. it is illegal to even post instruction on how to violate a copyright protection.
Forget about europe, again I know europe has some laws of their own. You are taking it from the wrong angle..you can do what you want with your own hardware...what you cannot do, even in europe, is what you want with Mac OS X. It's not yours, you only buy a restricted license to use it.
Anyway, I will accept the idea its different in europe, so lets consider the u.s. only.
Apple's Mac OS X checks for apple hardware.
In order to run Mac OS X on non-apple hardware,
you have to modify a copy protection scheme.
If you do that, you broke the dmca, if you post how you did it, you broke the dmca. If you hired someone to do it, you broke the dmca.
If you do it, you will get a threat, like,:
You should be aware that Apple has never authorized you modify the Software. Moreover, by providing instructions on how to modify and circumvent restrictions within the Software, you are infringing Apple's copyrights in violation of the Copyright Act and engaging in acts of unfair competition in violation of the Lanham Act. Additionally, Apple's license agreement, which you accepted upon purchasing a copy of the Software, specifically prohibits you from copying, decompiling, reverse engineering, disassembling, modifying or creating derivative works of the Software.
Consequently, on behalf of our client, we demand that you cease and desist from publishing or distributing the above-referenced materials. We believe that this is a very serious matter....
you get the idea.
Now my own personal take....
its wrong, we'd go ape ASDFAS if someone stole OS 4, or probably the same with MorphOS....its a matter of respect....
I'm not a tattle tale, don't worry about me...but why cant they just come out against it. Say they dislike it, don't want it, don't need it....don't anyone do it.
well....i think a lot of us know why....but I'd still like to see it happen.
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You should be aware that Apple has never authorized you modify the Software. Moreover, by providing instructions on how to modify and circumvent restrictions within the Software, you are infringing Apple's copyrights in violation of the Copyright Act and engaging in acts of unfair competition in violation of the Lanham Act. Additionally, Apple's license agreement, which you accepted upon purchasing a copy of the Software, specifically prohibits you from copying, decompiling, reverse engineering, disassembling, modifying or creating derivative works of the Software.
As I am very much ignorant on how MOL works, I thought it was some sort of emulator (like WinUAE).
Is it? And if it is how exactly daoes it make it illegal?
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Does someone have some popcorn? Things are becoming stranger and stranger all the time.
What do you do when you've had your fill of working for Amiga Inc? Start up a users group (http://www.snopug.org/older/index.html) for what product?
At least I don't need to rent any movies for a while. This is playing out to be a lifetime supply of entertainment.
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what you cannot do, even in europe, is what you want with Mac OS X. It's not yours, you only buy a restricted license to use it.
That is not correct. I can do what the hell I want with the software as long as I don't pirate it. Unless I sign a contract physically when I buy MacOSX that say's I agree not to run it on non-apple hardware then I am bound by no licence at all. This counts for GPL too.
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@ Madgun68
That's exactly what I would have done!
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redrumloa wrote:
If you were to base product purchases soley on what a senior officer at the respective company has been known to say, you would never buy anything.
You've never heard the story of Gerald Ratner then? It shows that people will base purposes on what senior officers of companies say.
Chris
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Wait a sec. Apple really dosent want OSX to run on
anything but the newer G3/G4's. In fact, it will not
install out of the box on anything else. You have to
kludge it to install it on even a old PowerMac by
shoehorning it with OS9.2.2.
But, thousands of 9500's are running it with accelerators, and all the info you need is found
on places like lowendmac.com. Yes, it is
Apple hardware, but it is NOT what Apple intended
OSX to run on, and is probably a violation
of the EULA. (I havent read it.) Now, were talking
about a heck of a lot more low end upgradeable
Macs than Genesi will ever sell of Pegs. The
DMCA is serious legislation, but lets keep some
perspective here.
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@ Madgun68
As I wrote in an earlier post, recent events answeres a lot of previously unanswered questions.
During the last years a lot of things has happend around Amiga Inc (and Genesi) that has caused numerous heated debates on ann.lu, amiga.org and other forums. We debated each piece and then moved on. But what has been debated is only pieces ripped out of a bigger context. Many of us didn't see that all those things was pieces of a puzzle. But now the puzzle starts coming together and the whole picture becomes clear. Suddenly it all makes sense.
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"Does someone have some popcorn?"
Yeah, try Jolly Time healthy pop. It's 94% fat free. Might as well be healthy and entertained.
I wonder who wil be nominated for an Emmy...
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@mdma
That is not correct. I can do what the hell I want with the software as long as I don't pirate it. Unless I sign a contract physically when I buy MacOSX that say's I agree not to run it on non-apple hardware then I am bound by no licence at all. This counts for GPL too.
I don't know about the MacOS X license, but the GPL isn't that simple. If you do not accept the GPL license, you have no permission to use the code, and are therefore in breach of copyright law.
Of course, that's the theory and you may claim that you can do otherwise and no one can touch you. We haven't had a test case under UK law (AFAIK) so there's no precedent to go by.
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If you do not accept the GPL license, you have no permission to use the code, and are therefore in breach of copyright law.
This is what I meant by " I can do what the hell I want with the software as long as I don't pirate it."
I should have been a bit more specific
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i.e I can do anything that is against the licence the software is released under, as long as it is not distributed to anyone else.
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this is indeed sad... I guess Amiga is officially dead now... i feel sorry for those people that bought the AmigaONE to run AmigaOS on... So my feeling was true about that coupons was to raise funding.... sigh :boohoo:
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@Tomas
The Amiga is not dead, the only thing what is dead is Amiga Inc.
They have been exposed which is a damn good thing at long last, bunch of idiots the lot of them.
A certain site is still continuing with that Fleecy Q&L questions and lies, in Fleecy we trust.
How are you holding up Fleecy? Take heart, you guys held on for quite a while. Thanks for the effort, despite all the trolls and the antagonists running around, the rest of appreciate it.
Hang in there.
Why the continued support to a low life lying bastard? they are scum who have ripped off members of the Amiga community and you guys are praising them. something is f*cked up somewhere.
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They have been exposed which is a damn good thing at long last, bunch of idiots the lot of them.
They make Enron look like a trustworthy establishment! ;-)
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by Tomas on 2003/5/3 0:59:34
this is indeed sad... I guess Amiga is officially dead now... i feel sorry for those people that bought the AmigaONE to run AmigaOS on... So my feeling was true about that coupons was to raise funding.... sigh
What is really sad is idolatrism in IT industry.
You will cry a lot more in 2004 when I will be near
nirvana with Hyperion's AOS4.1 or
Morphos 2 and you die of incompleteness with
your PC. :-x
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@MarkTime
except you're wrong about it actually useing MacOSX... it uses MacOnLinux wich is legal in the US... MacOnLinux is far from native MacOS...and I doubt apple caresd about the 10 or so people nationwide who use it...
In fact Amigas in the past sold those mac cards...my A2000 had one... it allowed me to run MacOS...it wasnt illegal...and actually was better then a mac...
BBRV isnt selling MacOnLinux, their not selling OSX, their selling a board capable of running Linux, and capable of running MacOnLinux, anc therefore capable of having OSX installed to run in a window from Linux.....this is not copyright infringement...
The AmigaOne/Barbie or any PPC based system that runs Linux for that matter can do the same thing...you need to go look it up... Genesi may demo the system running MacOnLinux but they dont sell it with OSX... it's not illegal...their not that stupid...
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@Tomas
If Amiga is dead, someone forgot to tell the rest of us here that are working daily, which includes everyone from Bill McEwen, Fleecy, and others in upper management right on down to the contractors.
Facts:
1. Eyetech's AmigaOne is being delivered and people are receiving them the world over.
2. Hyperion is still working on AmigaOS4 and it is progressing as Ben Hermans stated.
3. Amiga Inc has product on the shelves (or at least in the web-shop) at CompUSA.
4. Amiga has product for sale in our own web-shop (http://shopamiga.com)
Bottom line: don't fall for the misdirection tactics of certain individuals for they are scared, digging up "dirt" and making a lot of noise in order to sway public attention away from the facts stated above.
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@mdma
i.e I can do anything that is against the licence the software is released under, as long as it is not distributed to anyone else.
Well, considering the GPL is concerned with distribution mainly, I doubt you could do anything against the license if you're not redistributing it to anyone else.
:-)
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So Ray, just who is the CEO for Amiga Inc as of now?
Dammy
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To concoct a story that would be believed by the greatest number of people, inventing a courtroom situation would be ideal, in which Bill McEwen makes certain statements under oath..
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Another Courtroom Story (http://www.ann.lu/detail.cgi?category=news&file=1051932118.msg)
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Oh, my...
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:-? A big question in my mind is whether ANN.lu’s “Jubal” is a Club Amiga member or not.
From the notice it is clear that people joining in on the suit will almost certainly receive nothing for their trouble. So what’s the point?
As a member of Club Amiga, I have a vested interest in the matter. In my opinion, the best possible outcome is for Amiga to remain solvent until their Amiga DE / Amiga Anywhere revenues begin coming in, in force. Once their cash flow situation is improved, other things, such as printing T-shirts, etc., get easier. Forcing the company into bankruptcy will not satisfy THIS customer, it would serve only the purposes of their competitors.
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@toRus
I know that's hard for some to accept, but the people who have trouble accepting it are the same people who don't understand that Anti-Amiga Inc does NOT equal Pro {insert company X}.
Sorry Wayne,
it's either Pro Amiga Inc or Pro Genesi.
Those who don't care at all have long left the platform. Where "Pro" doesn't mean you follow blindly, you just trust this company more than the other. It 's difficult to hate them of love them equally unless you are an A500 user having moved to Windoze 95 when it came along.
I have to disagree. I'm still an Amiga user and really don't care for either Genesi or Amiga.inc
Amiga.inc isn't making Amiga computers OR AmigaOS and I haven't any interest in what Genesi are doing.
I'd just like to know the truth.
Regarding Peck's issues and Amiga Inc status I am interested in hearing the other side first.
I doubt you'll ever hear the other side. Forgetting all else, if they were to make a public statement on the subject, it'd probably be held against them in court.
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All the good #### happens when I am away :-(
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@Hooligan_DCS
All the good #### happens when I am away :-(
You'll know better than to go away then! :-o
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This all means nothing to me because whatever the outcome it doesn't compromise the path of AmigaOS4 and the AmigaOne one bit.
I'm still going to get my AmigaOne in the next couple of weeks and also AmigaOS 4 in the next couple of months.
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I'm still going to get my AmigaOne in the next couple of weeks and also AmigaOS 4 in the next couple of months.
I second to that. But lemme tell you, it was a helluva work to read all postings about the situation. sine yesterday. Hopefully all this gets a closure soon. Its getting very pathetic.
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@HMetal
I have to admit, you did a fine job of dancing with your words. I am particularly enamoured by the way in which you make it seem as if Genesi had a PR guy write up that outline on ANN. It's an impressive way of trying to make something appear as a falsehood without pointing directly to the individual who made the statements. Bravo!
On another note: Yeah, I'm on the other side now. However, I'm a personal friend of Bolton Peck (who is NOT a developer, btw). I've known about this story looooong before anything was said publicly, and before I had any involvement with Genesi. Wayne can collaborate this statement, because I told him months ago, "I have a friend with a suit against Amiga." I didn't give him any details, because it was Bolton's story to tell.
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Nothing is true unless it comes from the official source (http://www.theinformationminister.com/press.php?ID=612115744)! ;-)
(BTW, there has been a lot of Information Ministers lately. A fun idea, I must say! :-))
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The Amiga must be cursed! Commodore, Escom, Amiga Int, etc etc etc, and now this? The only thing that can go worse now is Micro$oft buying all the rights of Amiga and buries it 9 feet underground.
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@Restore2003
it can go even worse? :-)
You are even more pessimistic than I am
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restore2003 remarked:
The only thing that can go worse now is Micro$oft buying all the rights of Amiga and buries it 9 feet underground.
:cry: No, they wouldn't bury it. They would "enhance" the latest version of Windows with the GUI from Workbench1.3, and replace the Blue Screen of Death with Amiga's Guru meditation alerts. Of course, it would still require Gigabytes of hard disk space to intall, Gigs of RAM to run, Gigahetz Pentium processor, etcetra.
And their new EULA, naturally.