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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: alexh on May 29, 2006, 08:42:39 PM
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I was in sainsbury today and I saw that they are selling a 15" LCD TV with built in RGB scandoubler on the SCART socket and VGA connector for £164.
Native panel resolution of 1024x768
It's slightly different model to the one already discussed on this forum, from a different manufacturer (next time I pop in I will make a note).
Definately the perfect "budget" monitor for Amiga's with no scandoubler, even better if you also have a bvision.
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That's pretty good, although with the cost of the TV license you'd need as well, it would be about the same as my current 19" Acer 1932M.
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Sounds similar to the one I'm using. Got mine from ASDA though. These LCD TVs with VGA inputs have been around for a while, but it's only recently that they have become cheap enough to be a cost-effective alternative to scandoublers.
@Tricky
TV License? Pfffft... :-P
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moto
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Actually, you only have to buy a TV License if the equipment you are buying contains a tuner. If it's just a SCART and VGA input, then you are not required to pay a license.
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I've read that most of the scandoublers made for Amigas have trouble displaying AGA stuff in remotely good quality, are these LCDTVs capable of displaying Amiga native screenmodes properly?
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@Marco
My LCD Monitor certainly has no trouble with it. Only problem is, the image isn't quite centred properly. It's a bit too high, and there seems no obvious way to adjust it. Fine for workbench cos you can just move the screen around, bit of a problem for some games though...
@Motorollin
"Actually, you only have to buy a TV License if the equipment you are buying contains a tuner. If it's just a SCART and VGA input, then you are not required to pay a license."
I know this, which is why I got a monitor and not a TV! It has DVI and S-Video inputs too...
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alexh wrote:
Definately the perfect "budget" monitor for Amiga's with no scandoubler, even better if you also have a bvision.
And perfect for morons like me that have a 1084S and a 14" SVGA monitor stacked ontop of an A4000 :crazy:
Ta for the info, the ancient SVGA monitor might have an 'accident' this week :evilgrin:
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motorollin wrote:
Actually, you only have to buy a TV License if the equipment you are buying contains a tuner. If it's just a SCART and VGA input, then you are not required to pay a license.
I dunno if the rules have changed, but 5 or 6 years ago we got a 21" TV to use as a video monitor at work. We phoned up the TV Licensing people and they told us that as long as we detune it and confirm it in writing then we wouldn't have to get a license.
Didn't stop them sending the lovely threatening red reminders every year, but another confimation letter sorted that out...until the next year.
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@Doobrey
It's true, you don't actually need a license if you don't watch TV on it... you can even use it to watch videos on an ordinary VCR, as long as you don't receive programmes "honest guv".
Thing is though if I got a telly we doubtless would watch TV programmes... this is something I have sucessfully avoided for the last 3 years.
And anyway. It's 19 inch!
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@Doobrey
The law has changed recently. Retailers are required by law to send the TV Licensing Agency the names and addresses of all customers who buy equipment containing a tuner. This doesn't necessarily mean you have to buy a license, but once the licensing agency know you have bought something capable of displaying a TV signal they will start sending you letters...
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moto
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so long as you only watch videos or connect your computer you dont have to buy a tv licence when you buy a tv.
only if you tune it in and have it connected to the aerial lead to watch programs then you do, and the same goes for your video.
i know i have had the tv people around to check me on a number of times and they dont like it (tough)
i have better things to do with my money like spending it on my amiga
:-D
bye mike
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@Moto
The wording of the TV license forms is very specific - if you use your equipment to receive a signal you must have a TV license.
Even if your equipment has a tuner you do not need a license, so long as you do not use it to receive a signal.
If you call the TV license people and declare that your TV is used only to watch pre-recorded videos and DVDs that is perfectly acceptable (I have been doing this for 4 years).
What they won't accept is:
If you only declare it "off the road" when the TV license man calls at your door.
or
If your TV/Video/TV tuner card has all the channels tuned in to receive signals.
So to be doubly sure de-tune your equipment also.
EDIT: - DOH! That'll teach me to read the rest of the posts before writing a reply myself. Set of stingy buggers that we UK amigans are, knowing the letter fo the TV licensing laws :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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@Boot_WB
Yup, that's what I meant when I said that you don't necessarily have to buy a TV license. You only need the license if you intend to tune the equipment in to TV channels.
However, regardless of how you intend to use the equipment, retailers are still required by law to pass your details to the TV Licensing Agency so they can check up on you :roll:
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moto
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So you're required to write your name down when you buy a telly?
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Boot_WB wrote:
Set of stingy buggers that we UK amigans are, knowing the letter fo the TV licensing laws :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm getting close to ditching it, TV seems to be against me.
Channel 5 (analogue) is impossible to get a good picture, although when there's footie on it miraculously improves.
So I bought a Freeview box, but the signal is so crap that it can only find 2 channels, BBC Parliament and one of the kids channels. Only problem is that I can't tell the difference between Tellytubbies and PrimeMinister's Questions. :-P
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Oh, you wacky brits.. It's TV not HAM radio...
Glad I don't have to have a licence to watch TV.
Geesh, can't have guns or knives. Licence to watch TV... How about radio?
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@motorollin
I used to have to do this when I had a Saturday job selling TV's and stuff in the seventies.
@Argo
Yep, we need to buy a license but it's worth it!; :-)
4 pretty decent channels totally advert free
several others that have to compete with the above.
4 fantastic national radio channels totally advert free
(The markets' great but it's better with rules! :-D )
You might learn that lesson when the oceans boil away because you guys wouldn't sign Kyoto! :madashell:
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You might learn that lesson when the oceans boil away because you guys wouldn't sign Kyoto!
Kyoto is a farce as much as man made global warming is. Before you blow your cool, please read this (http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/) and then send a PM.
Dammy
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Ok.......NOW I have heard it all.............you need a licence to watch TV in the UK???????
Wow thats weird..................nevertheless that can be a good thing! :-D
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So it's ok for someone to broadcast a TV signal into the middle of your living room without your permision, but you have to have pay for a license to watch it?
If you don't have a television can you ask them to RF proof you house for free? Or maybe charge a fee for the RF signal running through you brain probably causing cancer or something? ;-)
AmigaHeretic
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@leirbag
The license pays for the BBC TV channels and radio stations. Some argue that the BBC have a monopoly since you are forced by law to pay the license, whether you watch BBC channels or not. This may change when the analogue TV signal is turned off, since digital TV is more easy to control than an analogue broadcast, since you can encrypt it and switch off the BBC channels for those who choose not to pay the license.
The TV License is the reason why there are no adverts on BBC channels...
@AmigaHeretic
The radio signal for analogue TV is such a low frequency that it is unlikely to do any harm. But I see your point :-)
I am actually far more worried about all the satellites all over the place picking up brain-melting microwaves...
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moto
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As already indicated, the TV licence helps pay for the wonderful BBC. I understand BBC will be (is?) using adverts in their international editions.
After all, why should the UK taxpayer pay for a broadcaster that serves the entire world?
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dammy
You would have to be a moron to make statements like that,which contradict what most major scientist agree on. You really need to pull your head out of Exxon Mobil's propaganda machine and get a clue.
@thread
You guys should drop to your knees in thanks for the tv tax and no "adverts" One of the main reasons I despise us broadcast television is the mind numbing ads.
magnetic
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For our $240+ per year We still get mind-numbing ads, just not on a few channels, which include a pre-school channel, a kids channel and a channel dedicated to showing you crusty old farts taking a nap in Parliament.
It's time to scrap the license, a couple of years ago I'd of argued against, but the BBC is crap, and only going to get worse. They're obsessed with ratings as much as the commercial stations (if not more so), and their conduct has hit an all-time low. I don't watch BBC stuff anymore so why should I pay for it?
BTW (and getting slightly more on topic) why would the majority of people need to get a TV licence for that screen? Most people have licences already.
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Hi there !
There was similar sold in France, but these materials are so good that there is a high rate of RMA... and the performance are quite poor
And yes you also have a TV/Radio license that is around 120 Euros/year what ever if your TV is new or 30 years old or only B&W... whatever if you only watch non-public/commercial channel ... you must ask a professional to "remove" or set "off" the tuner...
@Doobrey : before your good old SVGA monitor got an accident, check and test these LCD during 6 days (that's an european commercial law voted and used since 2002) that allow you to return it and get your money back !
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You would have to be a moron to make statements like that,which contradict what most major scientist agree on. You really need to pull your head out of Exxon Mobil's propaganda machine and get a clue.
Oh gee, name calling, that's mighty mature of you. One would have thought to debate the article, but name calling is just as good and even better, right? Amazing people want to believe they are actually doing bad things, like they have some sort of master control over something like the Earth's ecosystem. But I guess it's politically expediant to believe so, since it's politically driven by political motivation in the first place.
Here is a funny cartoon (http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/NOWAKArchive/2006/cart526200651836PM.asp) for ya.
Dammy
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You guys should drop to your knees in thanks for the tv tax and no "adverts" One of the main reasons I despise us broadcast television is the mind numbing ads.
I certainly will not. I am not forced to pay the silly tax NOR do I watch that stupid crap you evidently are willing to watch minus the adds. I gave up on TV years ago when I got broadband. :-P Please, stop being so cavalier with wanting more of my money via wishing for a new tax system for new corporate welfare programs. :-(
Dammy
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one of the things i hate about Sky is the 5 minute advert breaks. i get bored, go channel hopping, or go do something else - having completely forgotten what i was watching...
so i am in favour of a yearly payment not to have adverts. so the license is ok. what i'm not sure about are the tests you have to take to get your license.
like the hazard perception test, how fast can you change channel when the emerdale farm music comes on.
or the theory test, how to program a VCR...
on a more serious note, if i pay the T.V. License, would downloaded shows, that have been shown on the BBC be legal?
sorry for the off topic, but i'll prolly get one of these screens if i can locate a big enuff sainsburys, so thanks for the headsup! :-)
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@Dammy
Whilst there is little danger of the oceans boiling, the website you linked to is hardly worth responding to.
Having no references to peer reviewed work, it is not worth the bother of arguing against it as there are no facts to argue against, no body of work to criticise, just quasi-statistical 'arguements,' and a deliberate misunderstanding of the term 'greenhouse effect' taking up a large portion of the supposed debunking.
Oh, from the same site: DDT - a weapon of survival. Yeah, right - tell that to the thousands of deformed children in Vietnam to whom the US government has yet to issue an apology after dumping tons of the stuff in the form of Agent Orange defoliant during the Vietnam War.
PS - slightly OT aren't we?
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@Darksun
Apparently one (or possibly more) of the Spanish TV channels has 15-20 minute advert breaks at the start and end of film showings, but no advert breaks during the films. Sounds like a good comromise to me, compared to the every-15-minute advert breaks on terrestrial and satellite channels
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motorollin wrote:
Sounds similar to the one I'm using. Got mine from ASDA though.
I dont think ASDA sell them anymore hence the new post. Some other people have also "slagged off" the DUAL brand as rubbish, although you are happy with yours :)
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OT: I haven't looked closely at that website linked to by Dammy, but I didn't notice any author's listed. I'm often skeptical of this. Several times when I've followed up on material arguing against the validity of global warming, it's been written by economists with absolutely no training in the physical sciences. Furthermore, they misrepresented their qualifications by calling themselves experts in the field. Business groups and politicians are great at using things like cost benefit analysese to assess environmental risks, while essentially ignoring any physical processes. Too often, genuine scientific argument is just not entered into.
P.S. Has anyone in Australia used one of these LCD TV's, and have a good line on where to purchase one?
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@Darksun9210,
one of the things i hate about Sky is the 5 minute advert breaks. i get bored, go channel hopping, or go do something else - having completely forgotten what i was watching...
Thats what really bugs me about Sky, and all the other Rupert bl00dy Murdoch price gouging TV stations- you pay for a dish and box (fair enough), you PAY for a subscription to his (mainly) sh!tty stations, add MORE for the sport if you like that, then he goes and CRAMS it full of Ads !! its one or the other for me. thing is, it sells like water in the Namib because of all the dopey more-cash-than-sense (and not a lot of cash really!) football addicts, who have probably forked out best part of a grand on a season ticket anyway ! :madashell:
BBC do excellent stuff - it does tend to be of a better quality than ITV even (ITV edge it in some areas), so I'm well in favour of the licence fee - it only works out about 3 quid a week, and of the 8 channels they bung out, I regularly use 4 of em, (6 if you include the kids ;-)) and tune in to News24 at least once a week.
there interactive service is second to none, of all the ones I've experienced.
anyway. looks like a nice set, to get back OT ! might replace my Digital 15" CRT nicely, and I can use both Amigas at the same time !!
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Agafaster wrote:
thing is, it sells like water in the Namib because of all the dopey more-cash-than-sense (and not a lot of cash really!) football addicts, who have probably forked out best part of a grand on a season ticket anyway ! :madashell:
No need to worry, not much chance of there being many Forest matches on Sky next season, unlike those of us now in the Championship* :-P
tune in to News24 at least once a week.
After catching their "NewsWatch" programme last week it seems that they never learnt anything after the Hutton report.
* Even though the chances are we'll be straight back down again. ;-)
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hmm. uncharted lives in Kent.
his side were promoted (we dont know how briefly) to the champignonship.
I'll name that side in one - Colchester. even though its in Essex.
After catching their "NewsWatch" programme last week it seems that they never learnt anything after the Hutton report.
well, nobody's perfect ! and the whole thing was a fudge anyway. Tony protecting his butt.
I'd also like to call evidence in favour of BBC's quality: the coverage of the game last night.
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Agafaster wrote:
hmm. uncharted lives in Kent.
his side were promoted (we dont know how briefly) to the champignonship.
I'll name that side in one - Colchester. even though its in Essex.
Nooooo!
FFS give me some credit! :-)
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Hrrrm, I've just bought a 17" LCD TV with VGA input from Woolworths. It's a Samsung SyncMaster 710MP (1280x1024) for £220 GBP.
(http://images.ciao.com/ies/images/products/normal/976/product-462976.jpg)
I thought since it had a SCART socket it would take the Amiga signal nicely, especially as I have a scandoubler/FF too.
Unfortunately I am not happy with it at all.
I reasoned that since it was capable of 1280x1024 (double exactly 640x512 of PAL Hi Res Laced) that I would get a crisp and proportional screen. However, the display is not fitting into the pixel array properly - giving me vertical bands of ill fitting pixels.
It recognises NTSC as 640x480 but expands it to full screen which on this ratio monitor stretches everything disproportionately.
There is no vertical resizing option and the horizontal resizing is very blocky. PAL will not compress down into the screen area on the vertical plain so you either have to edit the overscan prefs with a lower resolution or in the case of demos/games lose some of the screen (even though PAL: Hi Res Laced is exactly the same screen proportion as the LCD's).
The brightness/contrast settings are too dark and on 15Khz RGB SCART I get a funny green tint (which doesn't appear on other display devices I tested).
My EZ-VGA Plus already reduces the quality of my A1200's output from 18-Bit RGB down to 16-Bit CVBS with banding, this monitor not only emphasises the scandoublers reduction in quality but adds to this with poor contrast, lack of resizing and no seperate memory banks for image settings.
Another annoying thing is that the CVBS input for accepting camcorder signals also crops the sides of images and in this mode there is no way to resize or reposition the screen. Also, the feeble speakers are positioned underneath the display which is a major design flaw in my opinion (A sound field is best appreciated when the speaker is at the same height as your ears, not above or below ear/eye level).
I was a little wary when a Samsung driver CD came out of the box when I opened it. A monitor relying on Windows drivers struck alarm bells and my fears proved correct.
I'm going to have to look for something from NEC or Philips - they know how to make good monitors.
In the meantime, I'm packing up this Korean crud and sending it right back. Glad I kept my CRT for the time being!
Oh, and silver really doesn't go with vanilla, I must look for a colour matching LCD, darlings!
;-)
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@ Odin
Ja, they will take your details at the checkout.
@ All
Spare a thought for the South Africans. They also pay a TV license AND have ads on all channels, AND end up paying for content they can't watch because of the 11 official languages. My Zulu isn't that good ;-)
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Disgusting :(.
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@Hyperspeed : what happen when you use the VGA input with just the Commodore VGA adapter and not your SD/FF ? does the 15 Khz modes work ?
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So when you buy a tv and they ask for your address you say..
"No fixed abode"
It's good enough for the Pikey's
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Actually, this has been a legal requirement for many years. And it isn't just purchasing a TV.
The agency is informed of the following:
1. purchased of television and other receiving equipment
2. owners of new houses
3. council house tenants
4. house sales/purchases (in theory!)
plus some others I can't recall of top of head. The residential details were interesting, as they were held for 10 years. Ever wonder, given the number of sets in the country, the agency knew when to send a detector van out, and where? The residential information was cross-referenced against the licence database. When the number of "unlicenced" properties reched a given proportion, a van would investigate, concentrating on unlicenced addresses.
The 10 year date reflected the size of storage systems back in the 80's (small).
This still lives on, today. You might not have a TV/video/etc, but for years you will receive a reminder that you 'need' a TV licence as you - the address - does not have one. Of course, larger datasets and more powerful processing allows them to store data longer, and fine tune the various parameters, such as letters, visits, and detector vans.
"Interesting" story. How do I know this? 15 years ago I was on a systems analysis course, in the Army. The course as run by the Royal Signals at Blandford Camp, in Dorset. This barracks is large, very large (by UK standards) and includes married quarters living accomodation within camp boundaries. The perimeter is about 8miles long, in total. Its so large there is a bus route that passes through it(!)
Part of the course context for the analysis studies involved a fictional location - Popo Island - which was replacing manual systems, one being the TV licence system. As students, we gathered the business requirements, the future needs, analsysed the current system, and developed a three options report;
a. keep as is
b.
c. throw more money/men at it
Option B was always the "preferred solution", ie replace/upgrade computer system (althouh I did once submit one that didn't involve a computer, merely a streamlined manual system, but I digress). We put together various 'solutions (including the data analsysis, JSP diagrams, etc)' and business cases. Anyway, when this particular assignment was completed, suprise suprise we find that just about every one, on every course, had submitted a solution that was very similar to that used in the UK, and were then given a presentation on the system used in the UK, and how it works.
But this is were is gets humourous: Solders tend not to buy TV licences (well, not when I were a lad!), at Blandford no-one living inside the perimeter bought one. The TV licencing would periodically send a detector van (they didn't have details of soldiers in barracks, and the MOD does not supply MQ details to anyone exept courts - this predates "poll tax") to investigate the MQ area.
Now Blandford Camp is a communications nexus, with some very sensitive traffic. The agency had to noify the MOD in advance, because the detection equipment is of course based on the same principles that TEMPEST uses... so in advance this visit would be printed on Part 1 orders. When the van did arrive, it would be stopped at the Guardhouse, and searched - in minute detail, to ensure it really was - and only just - a detector van, with equipment soley tuned for TV frequencies. Meanwhile, a landrover would take off round the MQ area, letting everyone know the detector van was on-site.
Oddly enough, no one was ever caught without a licence there :-)
motorollin wrote:
@Doobrey
The law has changed recently. Retailers are required by law to send the TV Licensing Agency the names and addresses of all customers who buy equipment containing a tuner. This doesn't necessarily mean you have to buy a license, but once the licensing agency know you have bought something capable of displaying a TV signal they will start sending you letters...
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moto
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Actually, this has been a legal requirement for many years. And it isn't just purchasing a TV.
The agency is informed of the following:
1. purchased of television and other receiving equipment
2. owners of new houses
3. council house tenants
4. house sales/purchases (in theory!)
plus some others I can't recall of top of head. The residential details were interesting, as they were held for 10 years. Ever wonder, given the number of sets in the country, the agency knew when to send a detector van out, and where? The residential information was cross-referenced against the licence database. When the number of "unlicenced" properties reched a given proportion, a van would investigate, concentrating on unlicenced addresses.
The 10 year date reflected the size of storage systems back in the 80's (small).
This still lives on, today. You might not have a TV/video/etc, but for years you will receive a reminder that you 'need' a TV licence as you - the address - does not have one. Of course, larger datasets and more powerful processing allows them to store data longer, and fine tune the various parameters, such as letters, visits, and detector vans.
"Interesting" story. How do I know this? 15 years ago I was on a systems analysis course, in the Army. The course as run by the Royal Signals at Blandford Camp, in Dorset. This barracks is large, very large (by UK standards) and includes married quarters living accomodation within camp boundaries. The perimeter is about 8miles long, in total. Its so large there is a bus route that passes through it(!)
Part of the course context for the analysis studies involved a fictional location - Popo Island - which was replacing manual systems, one being the TV licence system. As students, we gathered the business requirements, the future needs, analsysed the current system, and developed a three options report;
a. keep as is
b.
c. throw more money/men at it
Option B was always the "preferred solution", ie replace/upgrade computer system (althouh I did once submit one that didn't involve a computer, merely a streamlined manual system, but I digress). We put together various 'solutions (including the data analsysis, JSP diagrams, etc)' and business cases. Anyway, when this particular assignment was completed, suprise suprise we find that just about every one, on every course, had submitted a solution that was very similar to that used in the UK, and were then given a presentation on the system used in the UK, and how it works.
But this is were is gets humourous: Solders tend not to buy TV licences (well, not when I were a lad!), at Blandford no-one living inside the perimeter bought one. The TV licencing would periodically send a detector van (they didn't have details of soldiers in barracks, and the MOD does not supply MQ details to anyone exept courts - this predates "poll tax") to investigate the MQ area.
Now Blandford Camp is a communications nexus, with some very sensitive traffic. The agency had to noify the MOD in advance, because the detection equipment is of course based on the same principles that TEMPEST uses... so in advance this visit would be printed on Part 1 orders. When the van did arrive, it would be stopped at the Guardhouse, and searched - in minute detail, to ensure it really was - and only just - a detector van, with equipment soley tuned for TV frequencies. Meanwhile, a landrover would take off round the MQ area, letting everyone know the detector van was on-site.
Oddly enough, no one was ever caught without a licence there :-)
motorollin wrote:
@Doobrey
The law has changed recently. Retailers are required by law to send the TV Licensing Agency the names and addresses of all customers who buy equipment containing a tuner. This doesn't necessarily mean you have to buy a license, but once the licensing agency know you have bought something capable of displaying a TV signal they will start sending you letters...
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moto
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The government lists of radio and gun owners were really useful to the Nazis .
And such lists continue to be useful to like-minded socialist dicators,whether they run a small bureau or an entire nation.
Sadly ,the U.S. is moving in that direction.
AS for the monitors,since the lcd types have an absolute fixed number of pixels,it would seem necessary that all the various Amiga display rates somehow be a factor of the pixel number.This may require waiting until there are LCD screens of 16megapixels or something.No,I didn't work out the math.
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@ Hyperspeed - ..hi, I own the same monitor and I must disagree with you quite a lot.. It is not as bad as you describe..
PAL signal is quite good even if I am using just a CINCH cord for Amiga PAL composite OUT.. demos look good, games are playable, but there is problem with text, but it surely can be solved by using proper SCART 2 Amiga RGB cable.. Also I have not experienced any geometry problems..
You don`t need to use Windows drivers to get this monitor working correctly, it displays signal from my Voodoo at 1280*1024*60 Hz without any problem.. AFAIK there are some drivers packed with every LCD monitor these days.. I doubt that you will get any significantly differnt results using different LCD TV..
Best regards ;-)
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The tv license issue here in Norway is worse... :-(
Here you automaticly have to pay even if you do not watch tv at all and the people selling tvs, vcrs and such are forced to send your name and such to the state owned tv company. The worst part is that they now want to extend this license onto computers and cell phones because you "can" stream tv over internet or 3g phones. And do you think the internet streams are free for those who pay the licenses?? hell no... You will have to pay a subscription to be able to use it.
The analog tv signals will also be cut off soon and be replaced with dvb-t through a customized mpeg4 decoder. This means it wont be possible to recieve tv anymore without buying an additional decoder and this will cost money too. But that does not mean that we dont need to pay a tv license even if we dont own this decoder. :crazy:
So we are forced to pay this license even if we do not own equipment capable of recieving tv signals from the nazi state owned tv channels.
It wont be easy to get the license terminated even if you sell your tv later on... They have such power that they can do whatever the hell they want.
Oh and when tvs get built in dvb-t tuners, it will still not work as they only let you use their approved decoder.
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ad TV license - here in The Czech Banana Republic every private household (house/flat owner) who has electrical current connection has to pay for TV (100 CZK per month, approximately 3 EUR).. but you can claim a "declaration on word of honour" that you don`t own any TV device and you don`t have to pay it then..
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CLS2086:
I haven't tried the SyncMaster with the Commodore VGA adaptor (I don't have one) but to bypass as much circuitry as possible I used it Multiscan:Productivity mode... this is a 29Khz mode that avoids the flicker fixing and scandoubling circuits and is passed straight to the monitor.
To my amazement the screen quality was exactly the same, dull and with vertical lines (when I use this mode on the CRT monitor it avoids the quality degradation of scandoubling and flicker-fixing).
15Khz modes work on the SyncMaster's VGA input in scandoubled modes but I can't say without that as I don't have the VGA adaptor. I doubt very much it would go down to 15Khz without scandoubling in 'PC Mode' - this is because it will not accept Multiscan:Productivity via the RGB Scart socket (the screen blanks out and refuses to sink).
If the SCART input won't take 29Khz then I doubt the VGA input will take 15Khz. They seem to be clearly seperating video and SVGA...
MASACREWILL:
My opinions reflect only for people with OCS/ECS/AGA... I see no reason why a Voodoo card shouldn't behave exactly like a PC when it comes to using 1280x1024... after all this is the exact resolution and frequency that the monitor needs.
PAL/NTSC seem to have overscan around their displayed area and I'm wondering if this confuses the monitor's automatic display enhancer.
Composite (CVBS) gives fairly good colour (no problems with green tint) but 15Khz RGB via SCART was not satisfactory. I usually use a 21" NEC XE²¹ but even compared to my 25" TV the display was utterly blurry and crap.
To recap - good for graphics cards, bad if you want to use the video port, be it scandoubler or SCART. Text is no better with RGB than it is with Composite (CVBS) - pretty dissapointing.
A warning therefore about spending money on highstreet LCD panels.
The Amiga community needs to do more research into better video-capable panels such as LCD and plasma.
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@Dammy
Ok, these scientists haven't been funded by the oil companies like that other "research" was but I still think it may be good for you to read this...
Deep ice tells long climate story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5314592.stm)
Martyn.
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I have a RLT17AP15 from RELISYS. Its a widescreen LCD tv with vga and Scart inputs. I use it as a monitor for my pc on the vga and for my A1200 on the scart connected to the video out on the Amiga.
Amiga picture is spot on on all pal and ntsc modes. It will not sync with double pal or ntsc. I run WB at PAL super hi res laced with crystal clear picture.
just thought some may be interested in an LCD that works great.
Cheers
ikorodu
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@Doobrey
Where in the UK are you ?
I'm in the west midlands, so I get the Solihull transmitter.
get yourself to Maplins, and get one of their set-top aerials (with booster if required). if you are using an external antenna, you could do worse than use a booster or get a new aerial.
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uncharted wrote:
Agafaster wrote:
hmm. uncharted lives in Kent.
his side were promoted (we dont know how briefly) to the champignonship.
I'll name that side in one - Colchester. even though its in Essex.
Nooooo!
FFS give me some credit! :-)
Sarfend ? go on, giz a clue...
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by ikorodu:
I have a RLT17AP15 from RELISYS. Its a widescreen LCD tv with vga and Scart inputs. I use it as a monitor for my pc on the vga and for my A1200 on the scart connected to the video out on the Amiga.
Amiga picture is spot on on all pal and ntsc modes. It will not sync with double pal or ntsc. I run WB at PAL super hi res laced with crystal clear picture.
just thought some may be interested in an LCD that works great.
I've read a review or two on Amazon and the same seems to be said about this LCD panel. Unsatisfactory display characteristics similar to this SyncMaster I have.
PAL:Super-High Res Laced (1280x512) sounds feasible if the monitor does 1280x768 but surely you get flicker on it? That screenmode on the Samsung SyncMaster was completely illegible and flickery.
I'll try any LCD though as long as it has vertical and horizontal resizing to give me the freedom to move my screens about (as opposed to having them stuck off the edges of the display).
I'm so dissapointed that I couldn't get it to run flicker-free and with good quality picture on my RGB SCART cable (which I bought specially for this use). I could have sold my Scandoubler/FF then but it seems that either interlaced modes will still always flicker (contrary to what some have reported) or the SyncMaster's 5ms refresh times are too fast to disguise it.
:-(
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this is exactly they they of C$%RP that casued the USA to rebel agains the british government..... too bad thats the only thing we got right since then....
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pierre: I don't follow you... what are you referring to?
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