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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: CD32Freak on May 29, 2006, 10:33:41 AM
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A few days ago I started this thread over at AW, but I thought maybe some AO members don't go there and could help me :-)
I was wondering if anyone ever has downloaded the 12 MB zip file with a high resolution image of the A5000 motherboard. Back in 1998 it was on the DCE download page, but now of course it's gone. However, you can still read the page at the Internet Archive (http://web.archive.org/web/19980110200833/dcecom.de/html/download.htm). If you have this A5000.zip file, please share it with the Amiga community. Thanks in advance :-D
By the way, here is the low resolution version:
(http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8859/c97a50005re.th.gif) (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c97a50005re.gif)
Some are also looking for the Computer '97 A5000 mpeg animation on that page :-)
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It has to be somewhere, but the question is: where? * little bump* :-D
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I can't remember why this clone didn't appear... was it due to the lack of available AGA chips?
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I've send an e-mail to Thomas Dellert of DCE, so I'm curious if he will reply :-)
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I can't remember why this clone didn't appear... was it due to the lack of available AGA chips?
Nope DCE thought they could not make any profit with the board due to the high price per board due to the low volume. Kinda ironic if you look a th AOne situation today. Back then you could have sold a few thousand of those boards. DCE decided it wasn`t worth the trouble.
I've send an e-mail to Thomas Dellert of DCE, so I'm curious if he will reply
If something even remotely amigarelated is in the subjectline your mails is likely to be deleted automatically. Thomas Dellert really does not want to hear a single question about Amiga anymore. There have been to much freaks (in the negative sense) bugging hin in the last years, so he got fed up with that.
I have heard that he even gave all leftover Amigaparts to the recycler / citydump rather then selling it and having the buyer bugging him about something.
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@Lemmink
Thanks for the information :-)
Well, a few years ago he sold a lot of Amiga stuff on eBay. I know because I bought an CD32 MPEG module from him for 25 Euro's! :-D Okay, it had no ROM and loopback adaptor, but who cares?! :-P
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What were the specs of the motherboard ?
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Yeah I got my PowerUP Developerboard from those sales and one of those 10x A600 Mobos in a Box. (I was only interested in teh original Commodore transportbox but in the end there was even one working A600 board among the bunch ). I was told back then that the A5000 prototypes would go on sale on ebay the next days too, but I guess he decided not to do it to avoid the buyer bugging him about documentation and "how great it would be if the boards would go into production after all those years"
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Found info on it... (http://www.amigau.com/aig/power5000.html)
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@ Jose
The A5000 was basically a mix between an A1200 and an A4000 with a general overhaul. Scandoubler and 4way IDE-Adapter onboard, could take up to 64 MB FastRAM onboard. CPU 68030/68882 @ 50 MHz The rest would be the standard AGA Amiga stuff.
Bus would have been Zorro II/III on a custom daughtercard.
There was an A6000 planed that had an 68060 instead of the 68030/68882 combo.
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I have heard that he even gave all leftover Amigaparts to the recycler / citydump rather then selling it and having the buyer bugging him about something.
ah! interesting!
Framiga (one of the "freaks")
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There is no doubt about the fact that Thomas Dellert was one of the most talented Amiga hardware developers. He personally designed so many crafty little expansions.
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Yes, he was, look at the clever design of the SX32 Pro for example.
Apparently the A5000 was on display at the Benelux Amiga Show of 2003: http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2003-08-00009-EN.html
I guess someone has saved at least one A5000 motherboard, the question is: who? Come out, come out, wherever you are! :lol:
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You might want to search for it under the name Power Computing A5000 as well - they were to be the UK distributors and might yeild a few more hits.
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Thanks, but there were no links to the A5000 motherboard image.
I found the smaller gif image also in the AmigaScene 0x00 archive on Aminet as part of the Computer 97 Special: http://www.aminet.net/package.php?package=docs/mags/ascene00.lha
Still no sign of the high resolution image. However, I'm not giving up, it has to be somewhere! :-)
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While other people are waiting for a picture of a new Amiga motherboard, I'm still looking for this classic clone :-D
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@CD32freak
Did you find it, CD32freak? No, not yet :-D
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I still haven't found what I'm looking for. Hey, that's a U2 song, maybe they were looking for the same file? :-P :-D
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Seesm to be an endless story.
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Cant say I saw the A5000 at the Benelux show, there was a Draco, CDTV CR, Walker and then just normal Amiga's (A600HD, A1K XT emulator, etc)
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I am so sorry for beeing one of the peoples making him leave the Amiga scene. But I was the one going to DCE telling him about how bad his service have been towards CyberstormPPC and BlizzardPPC users.
Genesi had to come in the end. People have waited for over 2 years to get their PPC cards repaired etc.
I also wrote a very negative article about DCE which DCE didnt like at all. But it was the truth and he didnt want the truth to come out I guess.
He might be clever in designing Amiga hardware, but terrible at support. A5000 could be nice, but then again with DCE customer support, I cant think of supporting them.
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can't/should not blame one guy for the faults of DCE....
Sometimes a good hardware designer is a bad guy to have answering the phones.... Shame he left the scene. It hard when you see your dream go down .... ti was realy CBM's fault for lettingthe amiga die.....
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Jose wrote:
Found info on it...
.... and following:
http://www.blazemonger.com/BM/Articles/80_A5000Facts
you can find the "TRUE A5000 TRUE FACTS"
:lol:
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I found a zip archive with this information in it.
***************************************************************************
****************** First reports of the A5000 *************************
***************************************************************************
Commodore have gone for much like the A2000 large case to contain the power
of this new machine. on the front panel it supports two 3.5" drive (one as
standard) and two 5.25" (one holding a CD-Drive). This is the first machine
to really support multi-tasking with it's three processors on board.
Processors
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The A5000 will incorperate the new motorola 68060 + two 68EC040 processors,
the '060' is clocked at over 35MHz and the two '040' clocked at 25Mhz
will give the A5000 a total speed at over 60MHz. The '060' with sit on a
seperate card in the cpu slot (as in the A4000) and both the '040' will
sit on the motherboard. The '040' have been design to help the '060' ,this
will be most evident at times of heavy multi-tasking. As a result of this
configuration the A5000 will have a new kickstart.
Kickstart/Workbench
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The A5000 will have kickstart/workbench 4.0 (beta version has 3.2). This
kickstart is required to control the three processors , earlier kickstarts
will not be able to access the '040' (but the '060' can). This kickstart
will not be released for the older machines although 4.1 will. This
kickstart/workbench will enable the '040' to be assigned to different tasks
and as shiped one will handle all screen and sound processing and the other
will handle all of the I/O devices. This kickstart is a 1Mb chip and will
be shipped on the hard drive (to be confirmed). If it is released in chip
form then the chip will be placed on it's own card. This kickstart will have
a user-selectable kickstart screen so the user can select which kickstart to
load (either in slot or on harddrive) and the A5000 has been tested with
kickstart 1.2 upwards so there will be no more compatability problems.
Chipset
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Commodore have done it again in changing the chipset as there are several
new chips. The A5000 with workbench 4 is now capable of operating in all
modes with a 512 colour pallet. To maintain the speed require to operate
in this mode one of the '040' can be assigned to the screen display (as
it is shipped). The maximum screen resolution is 4096 x 4096 with over
32 million colours on screen. This new chipset will be able to detect which
chipset it should use (orig. ,ECS ,super-ECS or AGA , super AGA ) by
detecting which kickstart is currently running or which is selected at a
cold boot.
Ram
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As the new chipset has a higher resolution and more colours more chip ram is
required and commodore have responded by having 16Mb of chip ram on the
motherboard (expandable to 64Mb) and 16Mb of fast ram (theoretically
expandable to 1024Mb, tested to 256Mb). The chip and fast ram have been
organised on a 32-bit wide structure as in the A3000 + A4000.
Drives
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The harddrive interface is the new scsi2 standard with a 210Mb slimline
hardrive mounted as standard. The floppy drive is a high density type and
the CD-drive is a standard A2000 internal drive.
Sound
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The sound is now 16-bit as the A4000 was supposed to have.
Internal Connectors
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There are eight zorro III expansion slots with three IBM slots in parallel
with three zorro slots. There is no cpu slot as the '060' is on it's own
board and thus can easily replaced. If the kickstart is to be shipped on
the harddrive there will be an empty slot to place a new kickstart.
External Connectors
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It has all the standard ports (disk drive, serial, etc.) and the keyboard
connector (same pins as the A4000) at the back, the mouse ports are on the
right side towards the back.
Price
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Well that depends on what pack you want as as of this moment there are two
1 all above = $3499 (Appox.)
2 all above plus
Amax v3.0 Mac emulator (100% compatable with all known software) +
Golden gate IBM emulator = $3999 (Approx.)(uses two zorro III slots)
This information has been confirmed by Commodore.
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@ amesie2
The difference being that the "Commodore" A5000 is a work of complete fiction while the DCE A5000 is a never-released prototype.
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Whaaaaaaat??? THREE processors? Now thats somthing I haven't heard of in a Amiga type system before...
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I was at Computer '97 and saw the Prototype. I still have the full A4 size flyer (double sided) of the A5000. Would you like me to scan it and put it online? It gives you all the specs and says the A6000 will be available Spring '98 :) If only... .sigh.
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Errrm...Yes please :-D
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So..uhm..after more than a year, is there a living soul in this universe who has the higher resolution image of the DCE A5000 motherboard? :-?
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Ok here are the scans...
(http://www.hd-zone.com/amiga/A5000-1-small.jpg)
(http://www.hd-zone.com/amiga/A5000-2-small.jpg)
And high-resolution photos are here:
http://www.hd-zone.com/amiga/A5000-1.jpg
http://www.hd-zone.com/amiga/A5000-2.jpg
Enjoy :) Also check out my A4000-060 XP Rev. 2 accelerator photos here:
http://www.hd-zone.com/amiga/A4000T.html
Enjoy :)
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@CD32 Freak
I also looked for that high resolution photo..I had it years ago but no longer...and I cannot find it on the net anywhere...would be really nice to see it! All I have is the flyer I posted... :)
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@HammerD
Ah..too bad :-(, but thanks anyway for sharing the flyer! ;-)
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Only ZII slots? Ugh!
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I know this post is two years old, but.....
The service of DCE is very good. Our company works with them for specific designs. The problem was that he got cheated by Phase5 by giving him cards to repair (he didn´t even know this, but Phase5 directed all customer questions to DCE after the bought-out) without a customer list. So he had no chance replying customer questions correctly.
If you want to blame somebody take the guys from Phase5.
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@HammerD:
thank you for the scans/photos!
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I would be happy to see the high resolution photo of the DCE A5000 again, if possible.
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Ok here are the scans...
(http://www.hd-zone.com/amiga/A5000-1-small.jpg)
(http://www.hd-zone.com/amiga/A5000-2-small.jpg)
And high-resolution photos are here:
http://www.hd-zone.com/amiga/A5000-1.jpg
http://www.hd-zone.com/amiga/A5000-2.jpg
Enjoy :) Also check out my A4000-060 XP Rev. 2 accelerator photos here:
http://www.hd-zone.com/amiga/A4000T.html
Enjoy :)
These links appear to be dead now, are these pictures available anywhere else?
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So after more than 14 years it seems the zip with a hi-res image of the a5000 is rotting on a hard drive in someone's attic :(
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Ok here are the scans...
(http://www.hd-zone.com/amiga/A5000-1-small.jpg)
(http://www.hd-zone.com/amiga/A5000-2-small.jpg)
And high-resolution photos are here:
http://www.hd-zone.com/amiga/A5000-1.jpg (http://www.hd-zone.com/amiga/A5000-1.jpg)
http://www.hd-zone.com/amiga/A5000-2.jpg (http://www.hd-zone.com/amiga/A5000-2.jpg)
Enjoy :) Also check out my A4000-060 XP Rev. 2 accelerator photos here:
http://www.hd-zone.com/amiga/A4000T.html (http://www.hd-zone.com/amiga/A4000T.html)
Enjoy :)
These links appear to be dead now, are these pictures available anywhere else?
I'll try to find the original files, I still have the computer where they came from. Failing that, I believe I have the flyer somewhere here still. I will take a look for it. The reason why the links don't work is that I re-did the website at some point and unfortunately lost some of the original images.
Darren
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So after more than 14 years it seems the zip with a hi-res image of the a5000 is rotting on a hard drive in someone's attic :(
Well I found my original scanned files, new link here:
http://www.hd-zone.com/2020/11/05/dce-a5000-photos-flyer/
I seem to recall having a photo of the motherboard, but I haven't found that yet.
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Would be still nice to get the HighRes Picture and also that Animation. Seems nobody has them.