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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: AmiDelf on May 10, 2006, 10:30:24 AM
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I am the editor of Amitopia. A magazine for Amiga users in Scandinavia, which is using www.amigapower.tk/forum for discussions and info about our radio Radio Nitro.
Last week I posted a news item on both amiga.org and amigaworld.net about Amitopia stronger etc.. and the news item came thru here on amiga.org, but wegster on amigaworld.net didn`t want to post it because of warez/abandonware software been hosted on www.amigapower.tk website.
Amitopia dosent want to be seen on as a warez or keycracker magazine. Were using www.amigapower.tk/forum for the discussions about it and Radio Nitro. Nothing more.
Do you think that what www.amigapower.tk is hosting is illegal or not? I know that Amiga forever have the rights to use the Kickstart files in their package, but they are using UAE in some form also.
What should I do? Move to another webserver or is amigapower.tk ok? I am pleased to be able to use their forum for the magazine for free, but if the community feels its wrong. Tell me.
Regards,
Michal, editor of Amitopia
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That site has tons of illegal software, there is no doubt about that. If you don't want to be associated with a warez site then don't use it.
Cloanto have to pay to include the ROM files with Amiga Forever.
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I know that Amiga forever have the rights to use the Kickstart files in their package, but they are using UAE in some form also.
What kind of warped reasoning is that?
There is nothing wrong in selling GPL software. Amiga Forever is perfectly legal.
If you think this somehow justifies piracy, you're way way off.
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Actually it was posted for a couple of hours. A few members explored the site and complained both publically and privately of the warez.
Take them off the site and you'll have no problem in posting your news articles.
Sincerest apologies to Wayne, staff and the membership of Amiga.org for posting on issues across from the other forum.
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Oops, forgot to state that my second paragraph in no way implies that we think you are either a) peddling the warez and/or b) condoning warez. But that since they are on your site, we are not able to allow the linkage or advertisment of it.
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Find another forumhost I'd say, can't be rocketscience to start your own forum.
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It is MY OWN opinion, that anything so old that does not pay directly to the developer is not warez.
I don't say to pirate whdload or warpdt...
also it is my feeling that many would still buy originals off ebay or stores, just to own the original...
it is enough that ppl still use amiga...
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Thing is...
My guess is that 99% of the users here have warez (considering the legal definition on what is warez and what is not) on their Amigas that they use on a rather regular basis, even some of the people that rage against against warez (or try to define what is warez and what isn't).
The problem is, though, that Amiga.org doesn't supoort this, and are against talking about warez, posting links to sites hosting warez and against everything warez in general. It is not that hard to understand, I think, and since that is the rules of this site the rules should be followed.
Fact: just because software is old, not commercially viable and/or available anymore doesn't make it legal to spread it around. The games, for example, hosted on the domain in question is warez. Period. No question about it. There is no such thing as abandonware.
However, OF COURSE things could (and should, according to me) be questioned, and people can take different stands on how to relate to the problem of unavailable software. Some won't go out there trying to get hold of a working copy of some 20 year old software, possibly paying money beyond what seems logical, to get hold of it, if the software is one click away. In some situations the software is technically doomed to never be available again, and what to do in those cases? Is it right or wrong for a private person to earn insane amounts of money off of selling some commercially unavailable software second hand, instead of the programmers or the company behind the initial release?
What is warez and what isn't, that isn't the difficult question to answer.
What is difficult is how to relate to the problem with unavailable software.
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Well..
1st.
The site isn`t mine. So I am using another persons site. He allowed and wanted to give the forum to me, so I could use it for the magazine.
2nd.
I will remoove myself from the site because of this. I just think that what amigapower.tk, back2roots.org and other abandonware sites is doing.. is preventing Amiga games and utilities to be withdrawn from the historybooks.
3rd.
I need someone which could freely host a site for Amitopia for free at the moment.
Regards,
Michal, editor of Amitopia
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I don't follow the reasoning.
Just because two sites are located on the same server, that hardly seems relevant, since they are operated by different webmasters, have different content, etc. They are on the same server for technical reasons nothing more. Each file should be assessed on its own merits.
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@AmiDelf
You have a mail from us :)
but your email adress dont work :(
please write a email to andreas@apc-tcp.de
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speaking as a moderator:
If its new software dont trade it on this site, what you do on your time is your business.
as myself (LOL):
I'm probably the most lax when it comes to old applications/games. I simply dont care. Old software..thats a tough subject.. if its abandonware, not being sold anywhere.. then its all fair game IMO. Its not my job to hunt down a author to ask if I can have the code or if he can release it to the world for free. You're not going to make any money off of Rick Dangerous or Skychase etc.. LOL. I'd rather have that software released and if the author finds out about it then he can ask to have it removed, from that point on I'll know its not freeware etc.
There isnt a "Amiga" scene software wise..its all old news. Support what we have left..Pegasos and A1.
-Alex
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I dont own the forum neither. amigapower.tk is not mine at all, but I have got support to be a part of the forum.
Well, now I am working for getting a better place to be for Amitopia and Radio Nitro.
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I just think that what amigapower.tk, back2roots.org and other abandonware sites is doing.. is preventing Amiga games and utilities to be withdrawn from the historybooks.
Oh my ...
back2roots.org is NOT abadonware/warez site!
They have permission to host all files. There's a world of difference here compared to the warez (or abadonware if you want to call your warez that) sites.
You are just trolling right?
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thanks for the link i finally found some games that i didnt know about... the http://www.amigapower.tk/ sure is a substitute for b2r...
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