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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: redrumloa on May 04, 2006, 06:51:10 PM
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Amiga Inc complained to eBay that the press kit was "Unauthorized copies include (but
are not limited to) backup, pirated, duplicated, or bootlegged copies." Pffft, idiots. eBay rolls for anyone. this was not bootleg, a copy or anything else. It was an press kit they freely gave out to members of the PRESS and companies. Oh well, like usual Amiga Inc is a day late and a dollar short as the auction was already closed and the item shipped days ago. Below is the full message.
Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 06:59:48 PDT
Dear redrumloa,
Thank you for your recent auction-style listing on eBay. Unfortunately, we
removed the following item(s):
8799698954 - Amiga Inc press kit 1999 OS4.0 roadmap OS4 pre Amigaone
because Amiga Inc. reported it to us for violating their intellectual property
rights. When eBay is notified by a rights owner of an intellectual property
rights infringement, eBay must remove the item in order to meet certain legal
requirements.
The following information may help explain the reason for your listing(s)
removal:
eBay prohibits unauthorized copies of media (such as software, video games,
music, television programs, and photographs). Unauthorized copies include (but
are not limited to) backup, pirated, duplicated, or bootlegged copies. It is
both illegal and against eBay policy to sell unauthorized copies of copyrighted
media.
To review a tutorial pertaining to this policy, please visit the link below:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/tutorial/verotutorial/intro.html
Questions about the specific violation should be addressed to Amiga Inc. at the
following email address: info@amiga.com
Your eBay fees for this item have been credited to your account. All bidders
on this item have been notified of its cancellation.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: Repeated violations of this or other eBay policies may
result in the suspension of your account.
eBay understands that it can be frustrating to have a listing removed. If you
have further questions, you can take the following steps:
- Take eBay's brief tutorial on Intellectual Property Policies and VeRO
- Read the ended listings FAQ at http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/vero-removed-listing.html
- Ask eBay a question using the link on the above help page
Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
Regards,
eBay Trust & Safety
I have a good idea why McBill complained to eBay, but it has nothing to do with me or any legality of me selling this. It has to do with the fear of someone with a judgement against them getting a hold of it. You can draw your own conclusions.. Oh well, I'm not angry or anyting, just having a laugh at AI's expense. :lol:
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an idea: scan and upload them to amiga.org :-)
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Amazing. All I can say is about AInc is...what a bunch of assholes.
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That's a neat trick. You can auction stuff for free by having someone report it as a copyright infringement after the auction is over.
In your auction you said your didn't sign an NDA so you thought maybe it would be bad if you had. Someone that had it to begin with probably did sign something about not passing it out to the public. You just ended up with it somehow. The original recipient selling it and you selling it are tantamount to the same thing. Or, it could be that they thought it was something that they legally had to come down on or risk losing their copyrights or something. One email to ebay is easier and cheaper than having to go to court to get back some IP you lost because you failed to protect it.
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Good for you. Not just this incident, but things like this really cause
me to regret ever supporting Amiga Inc. I am still optimistic that OS4
will eventually gain some momentium, but Amiga Inc really needs to
step out of the way so that the real supporters of Amiga (from all the
camps) can continue forward.
C Snyder
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:laughing::laughing::laughing:
I haven't laughed this hard since... Well... Fleecy was fluffing the AW.net crowd all those years ago about how everything was on schedule and ready to go.
First, it was a Gateway/Amiga Inc document, secondly, it's plans from 7 years ago which -- one would hope to almighty God -- don't still apply. They gave out dozens of copies of the same document to just about everyone who attended that show (I believe it was either Sacramento or one of the last ST Louis shows) with no NDA involved.
I know that all of the Huntsville Mafia here ended up with a copy. I just wish my copy had survived. I'd have HAD to put it on e-bay as a moral imperative.
In the end, it's pathetic really that Amiga Inc can't seem to think of anything more productive to do with their time. Maybe next they'll go after everyone on e-bay selling their legitimate copies of Amiga OS disks because they aren't being sold with the hardware. (I do believe I have about 4 different AmigaOS disk sets lying about without hardware).
:horse:
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One more thing, if they are so concerned with their intellectual property,
they should really step up pressure to end the sales of pirated software
that has been floating around on ebay.
C Snyder
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Damn it Red! Now AmigaSoft 5.0 will never be released! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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based on anouncements of os4 and the time table for it, someone should had suit for delay these chickenheads
at amiga inc...:laughing:
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Wait a minute...
didn't Amiga Inc have this stuff auctioned off in the FIRST PLACE? NOW, after they applied the money to their debts or whatever, they consider the stuff *THEY* auctioned off, CONTRABAND???
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amije wrote:
based on anouncements of os4 and the time table for it, someone should had suit for delay these chickenheads
at amiga inc...:laughing:
I would presume they may be afraid of very much that, though I cannot fathom how a Gateway Amiga statement might have affected the current company's plans or goals.
Wayne
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T_Bone wrote:
Wait a minute...
didn't Amiga Inc have this stuff auctioned off in the FIRST PLACE? NOW, after they applied the money to their debts or whatever, they consider the stuff *THEY* auctioned off, CONTRABAND???
*laughing* They probably wanted their licensing fees from RED.
:rtfm: :crazy:
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T_Bone wrote:
Wait a minute...
didn't Amiga Inc have this stuff auctioned off in the FIRST PLACE?
They did, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's where it came from. Like I said, kinda pathetic.
Then again, I guess they're mad that they didn't think of ebaying it first.
Wayne
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Haha! That is quite humourous. And here I thought they might actually be doing a service and going after the people selling the questionable "pre-installed" HDs and the clearly pirate game DVDs.... No... Of course not... It is AI, after all. :-P
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Guys Guys Guys!..................You know what this means?????
it means that at least Amiga Inc still exists! WoooHoo!
this is good news :-)
They are still ticking somewhere...............who knows where.
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leirbag28 wrote:
Guys Guys Guys!..................You know what this means?????
it means that at least Amiga Inc still exists! WoooHoo!
this is good news :-)
They are still ticking somewhere...............who knows where.
Phew...and I was worried that they might be gone for good. :roll:
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In your auction you said your didn't sign an NDA so you thought maybe it would be bad if you had. Someone that had it to begin with probably did sign something about not passing it out to the public. You just ended up with it somehow. The original recipient selling it and you selling it are tantamount to the same thing.
No, not at all. There would be no legal reason why i couldn't sell something that was freely given out to anyone attending a trade show. The only reason I added that line about no NDA to the auction, was a preemptive strike against any questions that might arise. Even if there was an NDA involved, which I find out now was not the case, it may have raised a moral issue in some peoples minds, but not a legal issue.
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amije wrote:
an idea: scan and upload them to amiga.org :-)
I didn't scan every page to upload for 2 reasons. One is completely personal, but the other is the high bidder should get some pleasure of viewing his unique winnings before the rest of the community. Maybe the high bidder will feel inclined to scan the whole thing and post it.
Anyhow, here's what I did scan. Do what you wish with it. I recommend anyone who wants these images to download them, as I won't be hosting them for much longer on my temporary image hosting.
image 1 (http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j233/redrumloa/ai/haha1.jpg)
image 2 (http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j233/redrumloa/ai/haha2.jpg)
image 3 (http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j233/redrumloa/ai/a-press-1.jpg)
image 4 (http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j233/redrumloa/ai/a-press-2.jpg)
image 5 (http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j233/redrumloa/ai/a-press-3.jpg)
image 6 (http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j233/redrumloa/ai/a-press-4.jpg)
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At least we know they're still alive.....
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moto
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motorollin wrote:
At least we know they're still alive.....
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moto
but they act like zombies :-D
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amije wrote:
motorollin wrote:
At least we know they're still alive.....
but they act like zombies :-D
Hmmm not sure I agree - Zombies have no soul, and consume the brains of the living. By that definition, Microsoft are more like Zombies than AInc :-)
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moto
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Images will be available here (red permitting ;-)):
http://www.iki.fi/sintonen/amigapresskit/
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motorollin wrote: At least we know they're still alive.....
No we don't.
For all we know, Ray Akey simply sent a quick note to eBay claiming to represent Amiga Inc's interest. It does not in any way, shape, or form indicate any sort of life signs in the stillborn Amiga Inc.
Wayne
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True. I wish they would either make a statement, or release what they've got and call it a day. Do they really think keeping their mouths shut about OS4 is helping? People want to know what's going on!
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moto
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@Piru
:roflmao:
Of course red permits, I don't claim any ownership or copyright to the images :lol:
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by motorollin on 2006/5/4 15:14:24 At least we know they're still alive.....
Mars will show signs of life before Amiga, Inc. does. We have what we might think could be fossilized microorganisms from Mars and other clue like past liquid water, which is more than can be said for Amiga, Inc. What ever came of that NHL deal? Oh, the is that drawing of the motorcycle. Wouldn't a high end PDA that could run the games in their online store be more in light with their assumed business. Oh, and the recent MobleZone deal. Has anyone seen anyone playing their games or new games (if any)?
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redrumloa wrote:
Of course red permits, I don't claim any ownership or copyright to the images :lol:
You took the photos, so don't the actual images belong to you? ;-)
btw, love the names of the first 2 pictures :lol:
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amije wrote:
motorollin wrote:
At least we know they're still alive.....
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moto
but they act like zombies :-D
Zombies know what a brain is.
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Wayne wrote:
motorollin wrote: At least we know they're still alive.....
No we don't.
For all we know, Ray Akey
I wonder if Ray ever got paid...
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Wayne wrote:
motorollin wrote: At least we know they're still alive.....
No we don't.
For all we know, Ray Akey simply sent a quick note to eBay claiming to represent Amiga Inc's interest. It does not in any way, shape, or form indicate any sort of life signs in the stillborn Amiga Inc.
Wayne
Ray, Vincent, Randall, Greg, or the guy in a new york office whose name sounds like polish?
By the way, has amiga.com domain info changed recently?
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That's just insane. If this was given out to members of the public (St Louis, or wherever) then it is in the public domain. They have no legal ownership of it as an item at all, it belongs to the person who it was given to.
It was a press kit for pity's sake!
I can understand them not pursuing every amiga pirated game (not their IP rights infringement), but I would think they would pursue copies of pirated OS disks just on the principle (I've seen a few 'pre-installed' hard disks going on ebay recently also).
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leirbag28 wrote:
Guys Guys Guys!..................You know what this means?????
Bill and/or Fleecy read Amiga.org and followed Red's link? :shrug:
Shame really, cos the only things I've got to say to them wouldn't pass the A.org profanity filter :furious:
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Doobrey wrote:
Bill and/or Fleecy read Amiga.org and followed Red's link? :shrug:
Most likely one of the fanboys told them about the auction. Even after all this time, Amiga Inc and Fleecy in particular (he was good at creating a higher-being-like image) still has plenty obsessed fans.
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Amiga inc, is just another soul-less corporation, out to make a buck at everyone elses expense :-(
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And failing miserably at that.
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I personally think that this auction was childish in the first place, as the only intention of it was to bash Amiga INC.
I do not think it should have been removed though, as i see nothing illegal done here.
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Look guys...
Not my auction, and it doesn't matter because it's a done deal anyway, but I don't really want to go heavy on beating them up again here.
Amiga Inc is a dead horse, with the obligatory :horse:
They have every right to take the action they did, though I personally think it's a bit sad and pathetic that they did so. I can however imagine someone like Bill Buck trying to get ahold of a copy to start more pathetic drama against Amiga Inc and their guys over a product and situation that just doesn't matter any more.
I guess what I'm saying is that we've gotten a sad little laugh out of this, but let's just let it go. There isn't any use drumming up which (Amiga Inc or Bill Buck) is the bigger scumbag here. It's a moot point, besides, neither really has anything to do with the Amiga any more and I can't help but think that's a good thing.
Wayne
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I have to agree with Wayne.
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Tomas wrote:
I personally think that this auction was childish in the first place, as the only intention of it was to bash Amiga INC.
You are reading WAAAAAY too much into it. It was an auction, no different than selling a 1200. It's only the people in threads like these that makes an auction into a full blown melodrama.
Wayne
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Funny incident nonetheless.
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For all their failures, :love: Commodore :love: would never have stooped so low. They had more style and grace.
They were also a _real_ company with better things to occupy their time ;)
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I just had a thought. What if the ONLY reason they reported the auction is to dissuade others from auctioning off all the other embarrassing items that they've done over the years?
Wayne
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I once had a jerk trying to steal me with shipping costs for an item I won on eBay. I ended up not paying. When I though it was all over I received a warning from eBay about a non paid item. I wrote in the open dispute that the seller was lying and even provided a link, but nothing, there wasn't even an eBay representative coming to the dispute. Then later on I received another warning that if had more of these kind of warnings or something. I could be kicked out. I got pissed and took the time to read eBay's rules on these kinds of things and what can you do, then made an appeal kind of thing (been a few moths ago, can't remember the names) provding a link to the auction and asking eBay to compare the invoice that was send to me and the auction description. It worked, my warning was taken off and didn't even receive negative feedback.
So maybe you should just fill a counter complain with proof that the auction was valid, cause it's something that was handed freely into the public domain.
It could be interesting to see the result. 8-)
Or maybe just don't bother, it's not worth the time...
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I personally think that this auction was childish in the first place, as the only intention of it was to bash Amiga INC.
Eh? :inquisitive:
Umm, no.. That would be a stupid reason to start an auction. The reason to run an auction is to make $$$ MOOLAH $$$, and this auction suceeded perfectly. If you are talking about the tiny bit of off color humor in inject, I do that to almost every auction listing, especially retro stuff. My listing have have had descriptions like "This is a big pile of useless crap, I have no idea why someone would bid on it. It will be packed in a box with no packing material and dropped repeatedly before shipping. No, really! Don't expect anything but small pieces!". I do that to lower expectations, then the buyer is happy to see it's not quite that bad;-) This one specifically? Yeah I guess you can say the humor has an element of snipe at AI, but after all these years and all their B$, I won't cry for them.
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That's odd, someone in Amsterdam spoofed me on Moob.
Moo Bunny (http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbthread.pl/amiga/expand/129486)
Nothing really bad said, but why spoof me? Hoping someone will troll it? :-?
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Ok, that's just sad.
Wayne
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At least we know they're still alive.....
Yes, and here I thought we were going to have a long hot summer without comic relief!
Now I'm waiting for the treasure trove of stuff Wood bought from AI's landlord to show up.
Dammy
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Argo wrote:
by motorollin on 2006/5/4 15:14:24 At least we know they're still alive.....
Mars will show signs of life before Amiga, Inc. does. We have what we might think could be fossilized microorganisms from Mars and other clue like past liquid water, which is more than can be said for Amiga, Inc. What ever came of that NHL deal?
Looks like the little NHL logo at the top-right on the nhl.amiga.com page was the full extent of the deal. A search for 'Amiga' on the entire NHL.com site brings back no matches.
Oh, the is that drawing of the motorcycle. Wouldn't a high end PDA that could run the games in their online store be more in light with their assumed business. Oh, and the recent MobleZone deal. Has anyone seen anyone playing their games or new games (if any)?
I've never seen or talked to anyone outside of the Amiga community who even knew that Amiga was now selling PDA games, never mind actually played one of them.
The best game on AmigaDE/Anywhere is still Planet Zed, but even that is starting to look very old (it is getting on for five years old now) compared to modern PDA and cellphone games. Most of the others are very simplistic puzzle / crossword games.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :roflmao:
This is just too funny. I especially like the target dates shown on that one photo.
Best laugh I've had in a long time.
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I doubt Amiga Inc. had this removed... surely if there is someone with the intent to clone redrumloa on a Dutch website there is similar intent to write to eBay with a fake reply-to?
I think we should always look to the potential good things that can happen soon such as the home-brew hardware, software developments etc.
After all, this is what the Amiga has always been about! Never mind the owners...
Put a smile on your face troops, it's Amiga's 21st birthday in 2 months. I hope there are plenty of plans to celebrate this traditional coming-of-age: parties and big gatherings are a must!
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@Red
Does that report affect your rating or standing with Ebay at all? And how do we know it was really AI that hollered?
At least we know they're still alive
Is that a good thing? How long will they let AROS have free reign?
Plaz
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by Plaz on 2006/5/6 22:16:05
How long will they let AROS have free reign?
You can't stop the signal! :-P
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They can do nothing to AROS.
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If Team AROS is brought down with legal issues we could set up our own underground operating system group. It could be called 'Amiga-Renaissance System Enhancer' (ARSE).
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I can however imagine someone like Bill Buck trying to get ahold of a copy to start more pathetic drama against Amiga Inc and their guys over a product and situation that just doesn't matter any more.
He has done it: SEE IT (http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2006/05/enemiga.html)
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Plaz wrote:
How long will they let AROS have free reign?
See, thing is this isn't really a concern, no matter how deluded AInc are, even they will be well aware that they can't touch AROS, it's a legal fact that you are allowed to reverse engineer proprietary software. Haiku is a perfect example of this, they're reimplementing BeOS 5, in fact, I think there's even such a clone of Windows, think it's called ReactOS.
In their case someone did try and threaten them, but it was only in alleging that they'd used actual elements of the NT source code that had allegedly been leaked. As the AROS team has no access to the AOS3.1 code, I'm pretty sure no one has access except those who originally made it and Hyperion, there's no risk of them falling into this legal pithole.
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He has done it: SEE IT (http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2006/05/enemiga.html)
:popcorn:
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by Fransexy_ on 2006/5/7 16:03:08 He has done it: SEE IT
That is so pathetic and lame. Sad, but so Bill Buck.
I'm not sure if it's two kindergardeners fighting over a toy or two rabid coy dogs fighting over an old rotting steak.
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@Plaz
Sorry for the slow response, I've been out of town. All we know is someone claiming to be Amiga Inc complained, probably from a @amiga.com email address. My eBay account should be ok, as I don't sell pirate items, period. It does tick me off though. :angry:
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@Argo
I don't know if I can agree with you. It's probably not a popular view, but I think Buck should persue his right to damages. Putting aside all personal issues people have with Buck, as valid as they may be, Amiga Inc did not deliver DE(Which at the time *WAS* called OS4 as this flyer shows).
Let the egg throwing commence :egad:
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I don't know if I can agree with you. It's probably not a popular view, but I think Buck should persue his right to damages. Putting aside all personal issues people have with Buck, as valid as they may be, Amiga Inc did not deliver DE(Which at the time *WAS* called OS4 as this flyer shows).
Let the egg throwing commence
Damages? What damages? DEad has and is been a complete and utter disaster. The porting of DEad would have ment nothing significant of sales increases, which means it didn't do much, if any harm to Genesi. Let's take a step forward for the sake of arguement and say Genesi won damages against AI. The only person going to win is Genesi's legal team with their fees. AI owes lots of people already who are ahead of Genesi in waiting to get their court awarded monies.
Raquel and Bill would be far better off using those tens of thousands of dollars and sink into a R&D Peg based on ARM. Atleast they could find a decent embedded market to peddle their wares.
Dammy
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dammy wrote:
Damages? What damages? DEad has and is been a complete and utter disaster. The porting of DEad would have ment nothing significant of sales increases, which means it didn't do much, if any harm to Genesi.
Maybe not having DE itself didn't affect sales, but Genesi also had the right to use the Amiga trademarks and logos in asociation with those products to which AmigaDE was supposed to be ported. I think the lack of the 'Amiga' name on the Pegasos line certainly did reduce sales.
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Not to vent, but who really gives a sh!t about Amiga, Inc? They've done nothing, but ruin and destroy something that *EVERYONE* here loves. They piddled and frakked around with their stupid, crappy 'DE', ostracising the *ONLY* source of real capital they had, which was the 'Classic' users, as they put it.
There's no, new hardware. There's no Amiga Ones. Hyperion are sitting on OS4, refusing to release it, without hardware and I, for one, don't blame them. They put quite a few years into OS4 and from what I've read recently, haven't even gotten a response from A,Inc recently. Everyone here knows that Gary Hare, Bill McEwen, even Fleecy are pieces of crap, not worthy of carrying on the 'Amiga' name and legacy.
I would give just about anything to win the frakking lotto, so I could *BUY* the IP from Amiga, Inc, taking them out of the picture completely. They've tarnished everything I adore and admire about this OS and actually made me despise the Amiga 'platform'now. I have no faith in Amigas anymore. I just come here, mainly for you guys (and girls. No chauvenists we!) I've been on Amiga.org for 7 years now (Yes, I was here before the 'reboot') and it's people like Red, Dammy, Cyberus, Karlos, T-Bone, Wayne, Moto and several others that make me come back here.
F*ck Amiga, Inc. I wish they would hurry up and become insolvent, so the stain they've left upon the Amiga would fade away. :madashell:
I just don't care about them at all anymore,
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Looking at the pictures I can only think that Amiga Inc were complete retards... and their action with eBay verifies that.
What a bunch of crap.
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Marco wrote:
See, thing is this isn't really a concern, no matter how deluded AInc are, even they will be well aware that they can't touch AROS, it's a legal fact that you are allowed to reverse engineer proprietary software.
As the AROS team has no access to the AOS3.1 code,
It's even better than that. AROS code was used in offically licenced Amiga products (OS3.9 and Amithlon/OSXL). They would look rather silly suing a project who's code they had used themselves (though their contractors)
I'm pretty sure no one has access except those who originally made it and Hyperion, there's no risk of them falling into this legal pithole.
Er, not 100% true, it's a long story, best left in the past... But the fact is it has nowt to do with AROS.
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They can do nothing to AROS.
Well they COULD start yet another "Get legal" -FUDcampaign like they did for MorphOS long ago...
But somehow I believe that it most people wouldn't really care about ANYTHING they say anymore (although at least I wouldn't mind seeing a honest "we've gone bankrupt" statement), and it would damage AROS much less than the earlier campaign damaged MorphOS (their reputation wasn't as bad as it is now)
But then again... Wasn't the original campaign aimed at no-one in general in the beginning? Just "to all parties concerned, get legal or get sued" without naming anyone particular...
Sure they added some fairytale stuff about stolen source code tapes, finding copyrighted code in MorphOS (even if it runs on completely different processor) later on.
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Well they COULD start yet another "Get legal" -FUDcampaign like they did for MorphOS long ago...
AI's only worry is DEad. I'm sure they have given up on OS4 as a lost cause that will not generate them any revenue. You can tell by AI's outreach to the Amiga Community on how much they give a crap, zero. As for AROS, the sources are available for download, happy hunting.
Dammy