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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: 3246251196 on April 30, 2006, 01:24:36 PM

Title: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9 (PCMCIA ethernet)
Post by: 3246251196 on April 30, 2006, 01:24:36 PM
does 3.5 have programs like Miami (i think its called: Browser Software)

is it a good inteface when it comes to linking Amiga and PC via PCMCIA?

basically is it good for networking between PC and Amiga and is it READY-ABLE to connect to the internet?
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: Piru on April 30, 2006, 01:40:14 PM
It's called 'TCP/IP stack'.

AmigaOS 3.5 only comes with time limited demo version of Miami. You can't register it. The very same software is available in Aminet (http://www.aminet.net/). Oh yes, AmigaOS 3.5 was marketed to include full TCP/IP stack. It never did.

AmigaOS 3.9 comes with illegal copy of Genesis (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/amitcp392.txt).

If you want to stay legal (and have full unlimited network connectivity), the only solution for now is the GPL version of AmiTCP/IP 3.0b2 (http://www.acc.umu.se/~patrikax/amiga/guides/AmiTCP_Install/) or if someone sells you used copy of AmiTCP/IP, Genesis or Miami[DX]).
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: 3246251196 on April 30, 2006, 06:46:37 PM
without a TCP/IP stack you cannot connect PC Amiga?
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: amigagr on April 30, 2006, 06:48:56 PM
you can use serial connection but is SLOW. the best choise is tcp/ip with a network card. something like this for a600/1200:
pcmcia netcard (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=32&products_id=116&osCsid=2be7b6f90187e95343a2a835527f05b4)
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: Doobrey on April 30, 2006, 06:52:27 PM
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3246251196 wrote:
without a TCP/IP stack you cannot connect PC Amiga?


You can use a null modem cable and some terminal software(such as Hyperterminal on the PC and NComm on the Amiga) to transfer files between the two..but it's a lot slower than using a PCMCIA network card.
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: 3246251196 on April 30, 2006, 06:57:07 PM
well i am getting a PCMCIA networking card. i was just making sure that OS3.5 will be fine to use the PCMCIA with.

i mean, so long as i can get on the internet i can download new Browser SW then transfer it to amiga... yeah?
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: amigagr on April 30, 2006, 07:04:12 PM
of course
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: Flashlab on April 30, 2006, 07:07:42 PM
Uhm, wouldn't downloading be transferring data to your Amiga?

Anyway with 3.5 you can get online.

And to compare it to 3.9 (topic title but nowhere in the post?); that has an TCP stack as well.

Difference:

OS3.5 has a time limited version of Miami and 3.9 a full (illegal) version of Genesis.

These are for using the TCP protocol!! You also need a browser. I know that OS3.9 comes with AWeb SE but don't know about 3.5...
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: amigagr on April 30, 2006, 07:10:31 PM
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Flashlab wrote:
I know that OS3.9 comes with AWeb SE but don't know about 3.5...



just the same
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: neuroflip on May 05, 2006, 12:28:17 AM
wich web browser do you prefer? i has just tested aWeb and iBrowse demo version... more alternatives? what about voyager?
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: Hyperspeed on May 05, 2006, 02:44:12 AM
I've tried AWeb and Voyager but IBrowse2.3 is what I use every day now. It's brilliant.

For networking you could try ParNet (faster than serial networking).
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: 3246251196 on May 05, 2006, 12:05:25 PM
you know OS3.1 / 3.0 arent adapted to handling hdds over 4Gb (think it is) - is this just for physical amiga 2.5" hdd - can you still browse files on the PC via amigaOS (using PCMCIA)?
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: _yak_ on May 05, 2006, 03:32:23 PM
Also keep in mind that not all PCMCIA network cards are supported. If you're not sure, buy it from some Amiga dealer like amigakit.com.
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: Oliver on May 05, 2006, 03:43:35 PM
There's a reasonable list of PCMCIA cards here (http://www.g-mb.de/pcmcia_e.html), showing A1200/600 compatibility.  Of course, Amigakit supplies a software bundle as well.
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: 3246251196 on May 05, 2006, 03:54:56 PM
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8279123755&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

what do you think of this. this is what i got
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: Oliver on May 05, 2006, 04:05:21 PM
Looks pretty handy to me.  It seems that everything is included there, including a properly licensed stack?
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: 3246251196 on May 05, 2006, 04:06:53 PM
he has more - if you wanted one. quite a nice guy too



HOPE IT WORKS THOUGH. will not know until tomorrow or monday ill update you though!

that disk - do you think that is a seperate program where you do your PC browsing there - i.e. not done on WB but on that program diskette?

thanks!
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: Oliver on May 05, 2006, 04:13:35 PM
From the description, I think the boot disk just configures your workbench session to work properly for communicating with a PC.   :-?
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: 3246251196 on May 05, 2006, 04:18:54 PM
it just seems to say that you dont need a modified A 1200 at all


just just need WB - and your PC drives will show

owing to the description it should work on any OS... there is no requirements
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: Oliver on May 05, 2006, 04:25:35 PM
I think it should work on any 1200 with WB installed.  

Should be no probs for connecting with a PC, but you would probably want an accellerator anyway for other reasons (like running WHDLoad games: you posted about this before, right?).  Processor speed is also important if you want to browse the web (though you may not want to do this much with a 1200).
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: 3246251196 on May 05, 2006, 04:30:38 PM
well, first thing is first. get the two things networking. THEN get the A Card OH AND some 1200 LEDS that i annoyingly dont have lol

like i say, ill keep updated. i think this product is interesting for everyone here on the Amiga forums.
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: JuvUK on May 05, 2006, 05:18:12 PM
hi
 i have dealt with paul willingham a few times in the past he is incredably helpful and very friendly, i can't recommend him enough!
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: foleyjo on May 05, 2006, 09:26:25 PM
I got the same thing probably off the same guy.

I had a few issues with it at first setting up the software on the Amiga and PC but I just emailed him and he kept replying till I had it up and running.

I must say I didnt get the most out of it until I realised I had genesis with os3.9.

Good price too!!!
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: 3246251196 on May 21, 2006, 08:58:50 PM
anybody a screenshot of what OS3.5 can look like with an A1200 with 4Mb Fast Mem?
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: 3246251196 on May 23, 2006, 11:35:24 PM
you know you get some rather nice programs with 3.9, could you copy them to 3.5 if you wanted?
Title: Re: OS3.5 Compared to OS3.9
Post by: Chain on May 24, 2006, 07:49:49 PM
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3246251196 wrote:
you know you get some rather nice programs with 3.9, could you copy them to 3.5 if you wanted?


thar illegal genesis works too under 3.5 :)