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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: stopthegop on April 12, 2006, 11:29:34 AM
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"And then there was one..."
This merging of Microsoft and Apple was entirely predictable; nauseating, but somehow stimulating because they so richly deserve each other. Bad marries worse. May their union grow to be as big as...? Well, as big as the Titanic. True innovation in computer development is dying, if not dead, under the weight of these two alleged "competitors": co-conspirators is more like it. Two bloated, greedy monoliths consolidated into one massive, reaking blob of self-interested power.
I'm not saying that technolgy hasn't progressed in the last 15 or so years. Clearly it has. But only for one (ok, two)platform(s)! The small company with a great original idea doesn't stand a chance; the idea will either be bought immediately, then buried or it will be stolen outright and included free in the next version of Wincintosh. I don't see what is so "innovative" about selling, say, a 1.0Ghz chip one week and calling it things like "breakthrough", "cutting edge", "all new", "totally redesigned", etc.. then the following week introducing the same exact chip, only with a slighly higher voltage applied to its master clock ocillator and a few pin re-assignments to make it incompatible with all previous versions, and describe it in those exact same terms. Week after week, month after month, year after year. The 2.5ghz PC that I own today running Windows is basically the same slow, crash-prone piece of {bleep} that I had in 1994. Ditto for all the years in-between. Software is even worse. We went to the moon on 64K, but now we need 100 Meg just to send email. Thats progress?
The consolidation in the computer industry at this point seems inevitable. Microsoft likes to call it "competing". With whom? I grew up in Missouri. We had a term for it. Its called inbreading. I'll keep my Amigas as long as they're legal! Cheers
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...it's called evolution. Simply if there are no limits, dinosaurs still grow and grow. The bigger the better, you know :( Only some kind of "asteroid" can bring the optimization era back again.
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stopthegop wrote:
"And then there was one..."
This merging of Microsoft and Apple was entirely predictable; nauseating, but somehow stimulating because they so richly deserve each other. Bad marries worse. May their union grow to be as big as...? Well, as big as the Titanic. True innovation in computer development is dying, if not dead, under the weight of these two alleged "competitors": co-conspirators is more like it. Two bloated, greedy monoliths consolidated into one massive, reaking blob of self-interested power.
Merge??? Are you refering to "Boot Camp"? If so, I personally would call that offering the end user more choice.
I'm not saying that technolgy hasn't progressed in the last 15 or so years. Clearly it has. But only for one (ok, two)platform(s)! The small company with a great original idea doesn't stand a chance; the idea will either be bought immediately, then buried or it will be stolen outright and included free in the next version of Wincintosh. I don't see what is so "innovative" about selling, say, a 1.0Ghz chip one week and calling it things like "breakthrough", "cutting edge", "all new", "totally redesigned", etc.. then the following week introducing the same exact chip, only with a slighly higher voltage applied to its master clock ocillator and a few pin re-assignments to make it incompatible with all previous versions, and describe it in those exact same terms.
What exactly does that have to do with Microsoft and Apple? Ahhh, now I see, we've moved onto Intel bashing, hmmm, is that an "axis of evil" I see forming?
Week after week, month after month, year after year. The 2.5ghz PC that I own today running Windows is basically the same slow, crash-prone piece of {bleep} that I had in 1994. Ditto for all the years in-between. Software is even worse. We went to the moon on 64K, but now we need 100 Meg just to send email. Thats progress?
I'm yet to see my current Windows box crash and it runs oh so much faster than anything I have owned previous, I wish my A1200 was as stable. As for 100Mbps connections for email, I only have 10Mbps and email works perfectly fine :-D
The consolidation in the computer industry at this point seems inevitable. Microsoft likes to call it "competing". With whom? I grew up in Missouri. We had a term for it. Its called inbreading. I'll keep my Amigas as long as they're legal! Cheers
Not much the end user can really do about it, but there are alternatives to Windows and we are free to choose what we want to run. I personally use a whole variety or operating systems, Windows, MacOS, Linux, BSD, AmigaOS, they each serve their purpose and have all served me well. So see, we do have a choice, just open your eyes.
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Drugs are bad....
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odin wrote:
Drugs are bad....
:lol: Haha. I was looking for a good reply for this topic. Damn funny.
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Merge??? Are you refering to "Boot Camp"? If so, I personally would call that offering the end user more choice.
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Last I checked Bill Gates owned ~20% of Apple's (not a majority stake, but quite possibly a plurality stake?) stock. Correspondingly, Steve Jobs owns (or has owned) a significant chunk of MS stock. I'm honestly not sure if this is still the case, but if I was betting I would stake that they each still do. Wasn't Microsoft, back in the 90s, Apple Corp's "Angel Investor?", saving them from certain bankruptcy. Oops, what I meant to say was they are in fact "competitors".... uh hu. You are right about choice. I go to a computer store and they give me a choice. Wintel or the door. And yea, Mac... Just for argument's sake, I'll cede the point and agree that Mac was indeed a choice (albeit a lousy one). I said was a choice. Now even Macs use intel chips and run Windows without emulation. So where's my choice now? If it looks like a PC and runs the same software as a PC and uses exactly the same hardware as a PC, then... Its a PC! If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....
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I'm yet to see my current Windows box crash and it runs oh so much faster than anything I have owned previous, I wish my A1200 was as stable. As for 100Mbps connections for email, I only have 10Mbps and email works perfectly fine
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My first Amiga was a 500 in 1987 (maybe it was '88?). After that an A4000. I had never even SEEN a crash until I got a PC. I know of numerous organizations that have Amiga computers in production to this day precisely because they do not crash. They are still widely used in PLC environments (factories, mechanical automation, assembly line, robotics, etc..). The US FRB uses them to maintain "absolute, 100%, 7x24x365" uptime of currency monitoring systems. Nasa uses them (although I'm not so sure thats an endorsement anymore?). :) Anyway, if your 1200 is crashing something isn't configured right.
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Not much the end user can really do about it, but there are alternatives to Windows and we are free to choose what we want to run. I personally use a whole variety or operating systems, Windows, MacOS, Linux, BSD, AmigaOS, they each serve their purpose and have all served me well. So see, we do have a choice, just open your eyes.
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You're right about that. But I reserve the right to {bleep} about it. :) Of the systems you listed, which one really stands out to you as truly being different? Only the Amiga. The others are genetic mutations of each other. At least imho. It would be like buying a car and, say, Ford was the dominant manufacturer. Every car dealer would only carry Fords, but you'd have a "choice" between a Ford Escort, a Ford Truck, a Ford Sedan, or a Ford Escape. If you didn't want any of these, you could also buy a Lincoln (which, unknown to many consumers, is owned by Ford). Problem is Lincoln has less than 5% market share, so its more difficult to find parts for plus 3/4 of all gas stations don't sell gas that will work in a Lincoln.... etc.
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D.A.R.E.
Drugs are really excellent. :)
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I don't see what is so "innovative" about selling, say, a 1.0Ghz chip one week and calling it things like "breakthrough", "cutting edge", "all new", "totally redesigned", etc.. then the following week introducing the same exact chip, only with a slighly higher voltage applied to its master clock ocillator and a few pin re-assignments to make it incompatible with all previous versions, and describe it in those exact same terms.
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Ahhh, now I see, we've moved onto Intel bashing, hmmm, is that an "axis of evil" I see forming?
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That is not Intel bashing. Thats the truth.
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So your Amiga never showed to you a guru?.
by the way, with winuae i'm running the fastest Amiga ever and also i have AROS.
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Not my 500, never once crashed. The 4000 did occasionally, sure. but a lot of the time it was my own fault. I was gaining confidence with it, writing c code, and in general trying to do more things. So yes, I succeeded on several occasions in getting my A4000 to crash. But it never did so without my help. I can't say the same for the many PCs I've owned and the few I actually paid money for. PCs and Macs are free here in Brooklyn on Mondays and Thursdays: Trash day.
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The speed thing is nice, but way overrated. Speed ratings are usually just fallic substitutes (bragging rights) for adolescent boys who play video games all the time. I'm way too old to qualify for that demographic.. As such, to say modern PCs are "faster" than Amigas is a true statement. But that does not mean Amigas aren't fast. Mine sure is. Fast enough, anyway. A computer isn't necessarily "slow" only because of the existance something faster. Last month's PC was considered fast, Last month. But this month, that same PC becomes "slow" the moment a faster one is released. That kind thinking is really nutso. Absurd, bordering on pathalogical imho. But boy does it ever work on a gullible public. I sure wish I'd bought Intel stock when the brainwashing began. Anthropologists will study this strange behavior in 10,000 years..
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stopthegop wrote:
Not my 500, never once crashed.
Are you the luckiest person on earth or do you not do anything with your computer? I tend to believe the latter. Not turning the computer on is a sure-fire way to avoid the guru.
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stopthegop wrote:
I don't see what is so "innovative" about selling, say, a 1.0Ghz chip one week and calling it things like "breakthrough", "cutting edge", "all new", "totally redesigned", etc.. then the following week introducing the same exact chip, only with a slighly higher voltage applied to its master clock ocillator and a few pin re-assignments to make it incompatible with all previous versions, and describe it in those exact same terms.
Hahaha! That's why I overclock! Isn't it the same principal, just upping the voltage and oscillator speed? Silly rabbit...
:crazy:
In all reality, I've never had any major Windows issues since the Windows 95 days. Yeah, Microsoft is the big monopoly, but they eventually made it easy as far as the simplicity of setting up a PC, loading drivers, and installing applications. I've taken a few wacks at Linux, and find it to be terribly confusing with all its dependencies when trying to get something installed. In my opinion, Linux is only popular because it is free.
In the past, I've also dealt with BeOS and IBM OS/2. Both were excellent operating systems, but due to a lack of consumer support, both have virtually disappeared, just like the AmigaOS. If anything is to blame for the lack of variety, it's the stupidity of the end user who buys into the monopoly with the reasoning that everyone else is doing it, so it must be good.
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N7VQM wrote:
stopthegop wrote:
Not my 500, never once crashed.
Are you the luckiest person on earth or do you not do anything with your computer? I tend to believe the latter. Not turning the computer on is a sure-fire way to avoid the guru.
Agreed, If I had £1 for every guru I ever had, I'd be rich!
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The AmigaOS itself is quite bug-free and doesn't hang. Maybe if someones uses just the OS and some perfectly working software written by himself (Nasa?) then Amiga is stable. But we, users, use a lot of programs written by so called bedroom programmers (I'm one of them :D) that contain many bugs and cause GURUs sometimes. Its beacause of that today the AmigaOS isn't considered so stable anymore.
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I only had that A500 for a year and a half. It was the first computer I actually owned. Yes, in 1988 I was pretty green and didn't really do much with aside from use the word processor and play games. I remember playing with Flight Simulator on it and also connecting to Compuserv and actually filing flight plans with it. I was a 15 student pilot taking flying lessons at the time. I sold the A500 not long after that -I think- to buy a dirtbike. I don't see why its so hard for you to believe that it never crashed on me. I wasn't doing raytracing with it or anything like that, but I was most definately 'using' it. When I got my first A4, as I said earlier, I started doing more. Naturally, I met the guru. But it was almost always my own fault. Live and learn. These days I almost never get the guru. The Mirage 4k is our main family computer, we use it every day. Wife is a professional writer; she uses it for dtp and web surfing. I use it to do modeling and cad projects and, of course, surf.
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I didn't say I don't believe you :D. I just pointed out why Amiga crashes for some users. If you select your software in a right way, you can get a very stable system, just like you did.
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stopthegop wrote:
"And then there was one..."
This merging of Microsoft and Apple was entirely predictable;
Huh? :crazy:
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I could have been clearer about what I was trying to say, for sure.. I don't think I'd had any caffeinated beverages at that point in the morning yet.
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Well, what ARE you trying to say?
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stopthegop wrote:
Last I checked Bill Gates owned ~20% of Apple's (not a majority stake, but quite possibly a plurality stake?) stock. Correspondingly, Steve Jobs owns (or has owned) a significant chunk of MS stock. I'm honestly not sure if this is still the case, but if I was betting I would stake that they each still do. Wasn't Microsoft, back in the 90s, Apple Corp's "Angel Investor?", saving them from certain bankruptcy. Oops, what I meant to say was they are in fact "competitors".... uh hu. You are right about choice. I go to a computer store and they give me a choice. Wintel or the door. And yea, Mac... Just for argument's sake, I'll cede the point and agree that Mac was indeed a choice (albeit a lousy one). I said was a choice. Now even Macs use intel chips and run Windows without emulation. So where's my choice now? If it looks like a PC and runs the same software as a PC and uses exactly the same hardware as a PC, then... Its a PC! If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....
Hmmm, I love how the term "PC" gets thrown around these days, essentially, "PC" is an acronym for "Personal Computer" and last time I looked, all the machines sitting on my desk were personal computers, be they Mac, x86 or Amiga. And what is this "Wintel" crap, you also have a choice when it comes to CPU as well. You have Intel, AMD and VIA. Sure they are all from the same basic architecture, but they are all different and they do offer you a choice. You never had that much choice in CPU manufacturer with Apple or Amiga, did you? At the end of the day, who cares what hardware drives the OS, so long as the OS is user friendly, stable and secure, I'm happy. And yes, for the record I believe both Windows and MacOS fall into this catagory.
My first Amiga was a 500 in 1987 (maybe it was '88?). After that an A4000. I had never even SEEN a crash until I got a PC. I know of numerous organizations that have Amiga computers in production to this day precisely because they do not crash. They are still widely used in PLC environments (factories, mechanical automation, assembly line, robotics, etc..). The US FRB uses them to maintain "absolute, 100%, 7x24x365" uptime of currency monitoring systems. Nasa uses them (although I'm not so sure thats an endorsement anymore?). :) Anyway, if your 1200 is crashing something isn't configured right.
We all know the Amiga was a great machine, I never said it wasn't, so what the hell are you going on about. Besides, I've seen plenty of UNIX servers with ludicrously long uptimes as well. Anyway, if your Windows box is crashing, something isn't configured right ;-)
You're right about that. But I reserve the right to {bleep} about it. :) Of the systems you listed, which one really stands out to you as truly being different? Only the Amiga. The others are genetic mutations of each other. At least imho. It would be like buying a car and, say, Ford was the dominant manufacturer. Every car dealer would only carry Fords, but you'd have a "choice" between a Ford Escort, a Ford Truck, a Ford Sedan, or a Ford Escape. If you didn't want any of these, you could also buy a Lincoln (which, unknown to many consumers, is owned by Ford). Problem is Lincoln has less than 5% market share, so its more difficult to find parts for plus 3/4 of all gas stations don't sell gas that will work in a Lincoln.... etc.
If your going to bleep about it, at least make an effort to construct something intelligent and thought provoking.
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stopthegop wrote:
Of the systems you listed, which one really stands out to you as truly being different? Only the Amiga. The others are genetic mutations of each other.
It's funny you should say that. I have a 1989 Macworld magazine that says "...when you honestly look at it, the Macintosh was the last major advance in the microcomputer industry. The Amiga and the Atari ST were Mac mutants". I guess all computer systems are mutations of one or another computer. The Amiga just happened to be a great mutation that died out in favour of a well-marketed "genetic wrong turn".
stopthegop wrote:
Two bloated, greedy monoliths consolidated into one massive, reaking blob of self-interested power.
Actually, it's one greedy monolith attempting to greedily lure the ignorant by allowing the bloatware of another greedy monolith to run on its system. Unfortunately, all large companies are reeking blobs of self-interested power (the larger the blob, the more they reek).
adz wrote:
Hmmm, I love how the term "PC" gets thrown around these days, essentially, "PC" is an acronym for "Personal Computer" and last time I looked, all the machines sitting on my desk were personal computers, be they Mac, x86 or Amiga.
No, the Amiga is NOT a PC. It seems that these days people think that every microcomputer is a PC. For people who remember computer history, PC is a short form of the IBM PC or clone. Just because IBM chose the term "Personal Computer" and short form "PC" for their computer system, this does not make all personal computers PCs. MS used "Windows" as a term for its OS - this does not make every OS with windows called Windows does it? In every single Amiga magazine and every single Amiga manual I have ever read, "PC" is a term used to talk about the competing IBM system. In the Amiga manuals, the Amiga is referred to as a "microcomputer".
The C64 is NOT a PC. The Atari ST is NOT a PC. Linux runs on a PC. BeOS runs on a PC. Mac is moving into a grey area - now using mostly PC hardware. Strangely, Steve Jobs started calling Macs "PCs" in a presentation in 2003 after years of insisting that they are not PCs. Maybe this was a hint that they would soon be basically the same - using the same CPU and able to run Windows. (then again, maybe it was a marketing ploy to convince the ignorant Windows hordes to buy Macs)
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mr_a500 wrote:
No, the Amiga is NOT a PC. It seems that these days people think that every microcomputer is a PC. For people who remember computer history, PC is a short form of the IBM PC or clone. Just because IBM chose the term "Personal Computer" and short form "PC" for their computer system, this does not make all personal computers PCs. MS used "Windows" as a term for its OS - this does not make every OS with windows called Windows does it? In every single Amiga magazine and every single Amiga manual I have ever read, "PC" is a term used to talk about the competing IBM system. In the Amiga manuals, the Amiga is referred to as a "microcomputer".
The C64 is NOT a PC. The Atari ST is NOT a PC. Linux runs on a PC. BeOS runs on a PC. Mac is moving into a grey area - now using mostly PC hardware. Strangely, Steve Jobs started calling Macs "PCs" in a presentation in 2003 after years of insisting that they are not PCs. Maybe this was a hint that they would soon be basically the same - using the same CPU and able to run Windows. (then again, maybe it was a marketing ploy to convince the ignorant Windows hordes to buy Macs)
Could have sworn my C64 and C128 have the word "Personal Computer" written on them, but anyway, according to this (http://searchwinit.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid1_gci214279,00.html) it depends on ones own opinion and just because my opinion differs from yours, doesn't automatically mean I'm wrong.
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Could have sworn my C64 and C128 have the word "Personal Computer" written on them, but anyway, according to this it depends on ones own opinion and just because my opinion differs from yours, doesn't automatically mean I'm wrong.
Sure, they can be called personal computers, but they're not PCs. Besides the historical usage, I'm sure you can see the need for distinction. If you call every computer a PC, then how can you describe the actual (IBM/clone) PC hardware? "Windows PC"? Windows is just the OS and Linux can also be installed on the same hardware. You can't say "IBM or clone PC", because that's a pain in the ass to say and IBM doesn't actually make PCs anymore.
What would you think if somebody said "I just installed MUI on my PC last night"? You'd think they installed MUI in WinUAE on their PC, but according to you Amiga is a PC so they could be talking about their "Amiga PC". Or how about asking how to connect two PCs together? Which is it? two IBM/clone PCs? IBM/clone PC & "Amiga PC", "Mac PC" and "C64 PC"? What? :crazy:
I think you are wrong, but I don't really blame you. ;-) This kind of confusion happens when huge influential companies "hijack" existing words or phrases and use them for their products - forever distroying the original usage. (...and creating endless future arguments on proper usage ;-))
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What are people inhaling these days?! Crap - I walked out on this argument ten years ago!
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btw, my TK-85 (A brazillian clone of a cz100 or TS100) says "personal computer" on its case !
OTOH, a PC follows guidelines of compatibility with "some" design, backwards compatibility, in other words, to keep old errors. nad in that regard, they were a piece of crappy hw, with some "magic soft" or no so magic.
The argument why Apple and MS don't merge is clear, monopoly.
Both are bloated soft, yes.
But, I ask myself if I had an apple would I run winblows ?, No. I have an apple !.
Anwya, I prefer linux, I hope they cannot shut it down (but is quite bloated anyways, but with plenty of soft out-of-the-box).
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I remember reading that the acronym 'PC' was registered with a copyright, or similar, by a computer magazine journalist, specifically referring to x86 architecture personal computers (termed IBM compatible PC's at the time). Don't know why he did that. Maybe trying to make a dollar. That was all long ago, so the recollection may be off. I have seen the same story written online, as well, but that doesn't really mean much.
Anyway, it's all a bit silly, isn't it? Not a very interesting argument. The undeniable fact remains that when the majority of people say PC in this context, they are refering to x86 architecture.
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stopthegop wrote:
Not my 500, never once crashed.
lie
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stopthegop: I don't see what is so "innovative" about selling, say, a 1.0Ghz chip one week and calling it things like "breakthrough", "cutting edge", "all new", "totally redesigned", etc.. then the following week introducing the same exact chip, only with a slighly higher voltage applied to its master clock ocillator and a few pin re-assignments to make it incompatible with all previous versions, and describe it in those exact same terms.
No two cores are the same as they are largely built with logic compilers. That's why even different revisions of a game console have some compatibility problems. Also, core architecture is irrelevant, so long as the intructions are processed the same way. Instruction decoders are pretty complicated these days.
If it's so easy to make a CPU core that blows away what Intel et al are making, why can't anybody do it without overclocking it to the point where it explodes? If x86 is so terrible, you'd expect PPC to be running circles around it. Instead, even the most hardcore PPC fanatics are turning to x86.
I must say, though, that the retirement of NetBurst was way overdue. It's nice to know at least AMD knows how to do x86 well.
stopthegop: I grew up in Missouri. We had a term for it. Its called inbreading.
Is that how they make that flat bread they give you in church?
stopthegop: So where's my choice now? If it looks like a PC and runs the same software as a PC and uses exactly the same hardware as a PC, then... Its a PC! If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....
Figure out where to dig up a few dozen million dollars and you can build your own shiny new computer. Just a heads up: you wouldn't be the first to try.
stopthegop: My first Amiga was a 500 in 1987 (maybe it was '88?). After that an A4000. I had never even SEEN a crash until I got a PC.
Bulls**t. I've seen a lot more crashes on my A1000 then I see today on my NT5 system. I see about one BSOD about every 3-6 months, and it's always my ATI or SoundBlaster driver that causes the problem. No OS is going to be stable if a kernel-mode program screws up.
Mac people used to tell me a million times that Macs don't crash, but every time they showed me their computers, it would crash at least once. "Well, that's just bad software."
Computers crash. All of them.
stopthegop: I know of numerous organizations that have Amiga computers in production to this day precisely because they do not crash.
That's because they're not using the OS to do anything. MS-DOS doesn't crash much, either, because it doesn't do very much.
Chrisdog: n all reality, I've never had any major Windows issues since the Windows 95 days. Yeah, Microsoft is the big monopoly, but they eventually made it easy as far as the simplicity of setting up a PC, loading drivers, and installing applications. I've taken a few wacks at Linux, and find it to be terribly confusing with all its dependencies when trying to get something installed. In my opinion, Linux is only popular because it is free.
My feelings exactly. Linux fanatics huff and puff about techical supiriority, but they don't really care too much about user interfaces, and if they do, they just clone what MS is doing. Installing drivers on Linux is always a pain. It's easier for me to just run all my UN*X software on Windows. Windows does a fine job handling all the low-level hardware issues I don't care about.
My major beef with Windows is the lack of standard tools. Again, though, UN*X tools on Windows helps ease the pain.
If anyone wants to know what's so great about UNIX, they should read about regular expressions. If someone were to make a good, "poor man's" regex engine, "Automator" on the Macintosh would be osbolete overnight. It shocks me that it took so long just to come up with that piece of bloat, and of course, it just had to be Apple. :-x
Chrisdog: In the past, I've also dealt with BeOS and IBM OS/2. Both were excellent operating systems, but due to a lack of consumer support, both have virtually disappeared, just like the AmigaOS.
Be was a good OS, but it wasn't much else. OS/2 was a real piece of work, and I liked it back when I used it, but once I became familiar with UNIX, OS/2 really looked stupid. In fact, most "old" OSes looked stupid. A good UNIX system with a new shell and an Amiga-like GUI would be really sweet.
Chrisdog: If anything is to blame for the lack of variety, it's the stupidity of the end user who buys into the monopoly with the reasoning that everyone else is doing it, so it must be good.
I really, really hate all those iPod people. People think it's some kind of miraculous revolution, but... it's just a freakin' music player!
yak: The AmigaOS itself is quite bug-free and doesn't hang. Maybe if someones uses just the OS and some perfectly working software written by himself (Nasa?) then Amiga is stable.
Note that early versions of AmigaOS were very unstable. As an A1000 owner, I know! Like Windows, some versions are much better than others.
stopthegop: When I got my first A4, as I said earlier, I started doing more. Naturally, I met the guru. But it was almost always my own fault.
How so?
adz: Anyway, if your Windows box is crashing, something isn't configured right.
Why bother tracking down the problem if you can blame Windows, instead? Got a virus? No problem! It's the fault of Windows for automatically installing Kazaa for you, along with 15 other "web browser enhancements" downloaded from free websites from GodKnowsWhere.
I've been using Windows for 10+ years. I've never had once instance of malware of any kind. Does Windows get the credit for that, too? Not on an Amiga forum, for sure. ;-)
For the record, I think Windows is pretty reliable and functional. I just think think that too often, I have to take the long way around to solve a problem, so I'd like to use something else. Oh yeah, and programming Windows sucks. :roll:
Mr A500: It's funny you should say that. I have a 1989 Macworld magazine that says "...when you honestly look at it, the Macintosh was the last major advance in the microcomputer industry. The Amiga and the Atari ST were Mac mutants".
How typical. The Mac was a cheap piece of junk, running an OS too big for the system to handle. The Amiga, with "too much hardware", was at least usable.
I have a Mac mini today, and I really can't use it, as the dock drives me nuts, and mouse acceleration is on by defaut, which I absolutely despise. It was also rediculously slow until I put more memory in it. If I didn't need it for software testing, I'd sell it. I always hated the old Macs, and even now that they're based on UNIX, I still hate them.
Mr A500: Unfortunately, all large companies are reeking blobs of self-interested power (the larger the blob, the more they reek).
I've been involved with a lot of open source projects, and seen some pretty unreasonable people. The commitment of the developers is what matters. If a company is too large, the developers lose focus.
No, the Amiga is NOT a PC. It seems that these days people think that every microcomputer is a PC.
Chill, dude. :-) The terms "PC", "microcomputer", "minicomputer", "workstation", and all the like, are pretty much just marketting buzzwords.
Look, guys, have you seen my new Macro Computer? It's officially a Dumb Terminal (ie, "NON-DOS BOX") because all my e-mail is stored on an Internet server, rather than a Hard Disk(TM)! Oh yeah, and by Hard Disk, I mean the metal ones with all the platters in them, not those other hard disks, the thin ones in the plastic shells with the sliding metal door. The last time I used a Floppy Disk(TM, Pat. Pend.) was on my C64!