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Title: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: on April 25, 2003, 08:22:44 AM
POP on in and tell the world what you want on Amiga.
I'm not talking about just  ports of software from other systems,  I see that as the easy way out now there is whole new system and OS that is slowly coming with the computer. What programmes do you want? What kind of software do you want to see on the Amiga and that you can call your own? How about some ralley serious software like Mathamaticer ora new type of light- wave or perhaps a new interagted pack like Word etc and a daatbase program that can receive files from your mobile phone? What are your thoughts ????????????
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: DaveP on April 25, 2003, 08:30:25 AM
My main thought is that using that many questionmarks is a sure sign of insanity ;-)

On topic though for me:

1. A good text editor with syntax highlighting
2. A good set of C/C++ development tools including
visual debugger.
3. CVS server and client

Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: Elwood on April 25, 2003, 10:24:47 AM
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3. CVS server and client


The client is already here (on Aminet) and it's better than any X or Win equivalent because it's integrated with SSH... One binary for doing CVS access through SSH...
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: Sloxa on April 25, 2003, 10:51:46 AM
one very good soft is lighwave,in native ppc os!
and something like photogenics... ahh and  a ppc
port for Halflife, (can play CS).
 :-)
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: Rudei on April 25, 2003, 10:54:02 AM
If we could get Lightwave back on the Amiga, that would be good!
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: PPCRulez on April 25, 2003, 10:58:19 AM
A native ppc-version of the Opera web-browser.
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: StevenJGore on April 25, 2003, 11:07:23 AM
An Office suite as powerful as Microsoft Office and StarOffice, that also provides 100% compatibility with this software. Then perhaps the Amiga will stand a chance of becoming a viable business machine.
Amiga Office 2004, anyone?!!
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: Quixote on April 25, 2003, 11:32:32 AM
;-) One program that I’d like to see on AmigaOS 4 is Imagine 6.  I ordered that title through Impulse’s Constant Upgrade Program (C.U.P.) shortly after version 5 was released.  

:cry: I’ve been waiting ever since.  Impulse wanted to make the program more operating system compliant, and made the decision to wait until the new version of AmigaOS was released first.  It’s been a while now…
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: filson on April 25, 2003, 11:53:25 AM
I'd like to see a MED style tracker that can be used like ACID Pro. So one can play a sound on MIDI / keyboard and edit it like ACID. sort of a hybrid between key and sample based progs.

ohh, almost forgot java  :-D  :-D
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: jd997uk on April 25, 2003, 12:04:12 PM
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I’ve been waiting ever since. Impulse wanted to make the program more operating system compliant, and made the decision to wait until the new version of AmigaOS was released first. It’s been a while now…

It's not Impulse that's responsible for the Amiga CUP.
Martin Mackenzie has taken up the reigns to bring Imagine to full PPC code.
Currently he is working with Hyperion as one of the programmers on OS4. When his work there is done, he will restart work on Imagine.

-john
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: Warface on April 25, 2003, 12:13:59 PM
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jd997uk wrote:
 When his work there is done, he will restart work on Imagine.


That's good news. I hope though it won't be that butt ugly as the windows version.
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: jd997uk on April 25, 2003, 01:00:17 PM
@Warface
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. I hope though it won't be that butt ugly as the windows version

I doubt very much that it will.
AFAIK, work had been done (completed?) on getting Imagine to follow Amiga style guides, rather that the ghastly default of Imagine. See here. (http://www.cadtech.demon.co.uk/gui.htm) for pictures. It certainly makes many of the requesters far more user friendly. If (as I'm sure it will) it utilizes the OS4 GUI improvements, it'll look just how you want it to.

-john
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: MarkTime on April 25, 2003, 02:07:24 PM
wow thanks for that link.

I think they forgot what a 'constant' update program is.....

but nevertheless Imagine for OS 4 would be great news indeed, and that GUI update was badly needed, had a 2.X look to it....

otherwise a fine program though, will be well accelerated with full ppc support too :-)
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: jd997uk on April 25, 2003, 02:30:39 PM
@MarkTime
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I think they forgot what a 'constant' update program is.....

Well, at least is is going to progress.
Interesting fact gleaned from the Imagine ML is that the PC CUP only has 80 subscribers in it.
Given the size of the Amiga market compared to the PC one, how many subscribers do you think IFA has?

I've definately got this on my 'to buy' list when OS4 is out. I've just got myself getting used to Imagine4.0 again, running ontop of WinUAE. Render times are a whole heap better than my 1200/060 and I expect a G4@800MHz+ to be even better with native PPC code.

-john
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: Quixote on April 25, 2003, 02:43:27 PM
jd997uk joined in:
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It's not Impulse that's responsible for the Amiga CUP.
Martin Mackenzie has taken up the reigns to bring Imagine to full PPC code.
Currently he is working with Hyperion as one of the programmers on OS4. When his work there is done, he will restart work on Imagine.
:-? If Mr. MacKenzie has taken over the development of Imagine 6 from Impulse, that’s fine.  Just as long as he recognizes that he has inherited their obligations along with their assets.

I sent $100.00 dollars to Impulse for version 6, many years ago.  Once AmigaOS 4 is complete, I fully expect my copy of Imagine v.6, free of charge, along with a letter of thanks for the patience I’ve shown.
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: MarkTime on April 25, 2003, 02:46:16 PM
with all due respect, the size of the Amiga market and the size of the
PC Market is not a surprise to anyone, even
those who conceived of, marketed, and accepted money for a 'constant' update program for the Amiga version of Imagine.

I had Imagine 4 running on an Amiga 1200/060/50
and I enjoyed it a lot, but I  ultimately passed on the CUP because I didn't believe they would really deliver what they said, and I was correct.

When they deliver a new version of imagine for OS 4, if they do....that will be great news, its a fine program.

But I don't think anyone in this market should pay for future updates or future products, just pay for what is on the shelf.  Cannot count how many companies left this market, taking as much money as they could with them....microcode solutions, phase 5, well...the list of shame is too long to bear.
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: Quixote on April 25, 2003, 02:47:52 PM
jd997uk:
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Interesting fact gleaned from the Imagine ML is that the PC CUP only has 80 subscribers in it.
:-? I wonder which subscribers they're counting.  I signed up for their C.U.P. while Impulse was still handling it.  How do I subscribe to the mailing list, by the way?
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: Valan on April 25, 2003, 03:30:02 PM
I loved using Imagine on the Amiga and I still do use Lightwave albeit on a PC.

What I would love to see is a realtime 3d app that uses one of the new vide cards to H/W render.

Also I would love the renderer to be another app so that work could carry on when test rendering.

We had a 'chicken wire' metaphor and now we have the 'clay' metaphor, so what's next?
Substance!
I think the substance such as metal, cloth, plastice, etc can be defined first and the tools and their behaviour derive from there.

Just a thought.

Valan
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: jd997uk on April 25, 2003, 03:53:44 PM
Imagine ML can be found here (http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/imagine.html)
The 80 were for the PC version only. If you join the IML, have a trawl through the archives from the last month or so, there's been a bit of a row regarding lack of development on the PC version.
BTW, Martin does post to the list, so if there were any urgent questions you needed answering, he'd probably be able to help.

-john
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: Quixote on April 25, 2003, 05:42:13 PM
jd997uk:
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BTW, Martin does post to the list, so if there were any urgent questions you needed answering, he'd probably be able to help.
;-) After waiting five or six years, or however long it's been, "urgent" is not the word that springs to my mind first....

Thanks for the link, by the way!
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: on April 25, 2003, 07:31:28 PM
I'd like to see a web development application that combines a wysiwyg interface and full support for scripting (including javascript, php, and asp, as well as anything else someone would want to put in there) and CSS.

Andrew
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: Quixote on April 26, 2003, 01:17:49 AM
;-) Another thought.  For the new Amiga, an entry-level programing language like Blitz Basic or similar would be nice.
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: DaveP on April 26, 2003, 07:27:01 AM
Sheep would be better.

( just following someone elses example and bringing
an AOS4/A1 thread back up to the top ;-) )
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: BADHead on April 26, 2003, 09:19:57 AM
PC and Mac emulators AS SOON AS POSSIBLE with
a view to get a lot of software to the Amiga as Quick as possible  ;-)
Title: Re: thoughts on OS 4 and AMIGA ONE
Post by: mikeymike on April 26, 2003, 10:03:20 AM
@ BADHead

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PC and Mac emulators AS SOON AS POSSIBLE


The BSOD screensaver has been ported to most operating systems now, what more do you want?  :-D