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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: 3246251196 on April 02, 2006, 01:18:15 AM
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when i had my Gateway 1200 i remember rebooting it. there were a combination of keys you could hold down and it would take you into a BIOS (PC version) type screen. however, i cannot remember the key combo
1? - can someone tell me what the COMBO is
2? - does it work on this 500+ (ripped apart and MOBO on table) computer (KS2.0)
thanks, 324
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If you mean Early Startup Menu hold down left mouse button whilst reseting the A500+
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.. and right one, too
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Think it only works from kickstart 2.0 and up but I´m not sure ...
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ahh yes. actually, its both them together for me man!
anyway - another question. if i have NO workbench - which i do not until further arrival! is there anything i can do get the Amiga into a workbench type of environment?
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A500+ has kickstart 2.04 so it is Left mouse button whilst resetting.
A1200 has kickstart 3.x so it both mouse buttons whilst resetting.
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it says "2.0 ROM" 37.175 on the start up screen for my 500+
wonder if it will run WB2.05 (or even 3.1 lol :()
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2.05 is a special ROM for the A600 that gives PCMCIA commands and IDE in later versions
Here is the A500 3.1 kickstart ROM (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=157)
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thanks AKit - but its no good to me. i am just using this 500+ until i get my 1200 3.0 delivered. once i do though and once i am back from amsterdam i will be getting (probo):
- 3.1 ROM
- (i think the 68020 proc should be ok for now - it runs OS3.5 / 3.9 RIGHT?)
- CD-RW (DVD-RW will also work for CDs for amiga??)
- MAYBE upgrade in memory - only if required though!
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@amigakit
A500+ has kickstart 2.04 so it is Left mouse button whilst resetting.
A1200 has kickstart 3.x so it both mouse buttons whilst resetting.
Both 2.x and 3.x require that you hold both buttons down.
@3246251196
it says "2.0 ROM" 37.175 on the start up screen for my 500+
This runs anything upto WB 2.1.
See Workbench Nostalgia (http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/)
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WOAH GUYS!!:
i just went through my old disks - MOST of them have READ BLOCK errors!
however, i fould one: Workbench3.1 and it works - it works on my 500+ - it has booted into WB3.1: i thought this was not allowed???
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@3246251196
It will boot, but some things just outright refuse to work, or crash.
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yeah i see it now Piru:
for instance, i tried to open "SAY" and it simply didnt open.
anyone know where i can get a list of AmigaShell commands?
i prefer working in a commandprompted environemt. i know a lot of DOS but AmigaShell is obviously different!
324,
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Google: AmigaDOS commands (http://www.google.com/search?q=amigados+commands)
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i was googling - and never thought to put those keywords in! lol - what was i thinking.
can i ask - what exactly does FAST MEM mean?
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for instance, i tried to open "SAY" and it simply didnt open.
That's strange. I know for a fact that "Say" works from 1.3 all the way up to 3.9 (3.1 ROM). "Say" is an old program that hasn't been updated since 1.3.
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You might want to buy a manual man, we could be here all year answering your simple question! lol
Fast memory is RAM for the system, Chip RAM is the custom chip/video RAM. When you load a program it gets loaded into RAM. When you shut off the computer the memory is erased.
Go here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga) for more info.
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well, i will have a manual when i get one with my A1200. but i think bringing up the question on FastMem is very valid personally... if someone could provide an answer or a link or nothing even. whatever.
324
EDIT: thanks for answering though man!
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More on Chip/Fast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_RAM) memory!
np glad to have another Amiga user here :)
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Amigas have two types of RAM. Chip RAM and Fast RAM. Original, unexpanded models only have Chip RAM. By expanding your Amiga with some expansion card you can add Fast RAM to it but not Chip RAM. Chip RAM can be accessed by both CPU and Chipset. Fast RAM can be accessed by the CPU only. All graphics and sounds have to be kept in Chip RAM since in order to display/play them they must be accessed by the Chipset. On the other hand, the expandable Fast RAM is much faster since only CPU will be ever accessing it so it doesn't have to wait for the others. Running programs and their (non-media) data are kept in Fast RAM. If you don't have any Fast RAM, everything is kept in Chip RAM.
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nicely summed up ;)
still, i dont know way SAY is not working lol. i used to have fun on that!!
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@mr-a500
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by mr_a500 on 2006/4/1 20:18:55
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for instance, i tried to open "SAY" and it simply didnt open.
That's strange. I know for a fact that "Say" works from 1.3 all the way up to 3.9 (3.1 ROM). "Say" is an old program that hasn't been updated since 1.3.
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I dont know what you mean by that, But SAY was updated for the A600 on WB 2.04 ................the speech sounds much different and so do the voices..........it can also speak more properly.
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also, Ed does not work - does that mean i am not able to created Command Files (Batch Files) which can be executed upon shell command?
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This may be a result of you using Kickstart 2.x with a Workbench 3.x disk... I'll try that combination here and see if it works...
Also, the "say" command and associated "translator" device and library files were dropped from the OS from release 2.1 onwards (though the files work fine if manually copied from a 2.04 Workbench disk into a more recent installation).
- Ali
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Follow-up: just tried, and the "Ed" text editor doesn't work when used on a KS2.x Amiga that's been booted with a Workbench 3.1 disk. It gives a recoverable alert message, then an "Unable to open needed library" message.
Looks like you'll need to find a 2.x Workbench disk set...
- Ali
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so then, my good man - is there any way to make a command file (batchfile) for WB to run WHEN executed?
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Hmmm... Due to your "unique" combination of KS2.x and WB3.x, you can create a text file but you'll have to do it the old-fashioned way:
1. Open a new CLI window (from Workbench, select "Execute Command" from the menu, then enter "newcli" in the resulting dialogue box)
2. Type the following into the CLI window: copy * testfile (this tells the Amiga to create a new text file called "testfile" and to accept input from the keyboard - similar to using "copy CON: " in MSDOS)
3. Enter the lines of your text file, pressing Return at the end of each one
4. Press CTRL and hash (#) to signify the end of the file
You'll then at least have a text file, into which you could place some commands...
And... I've discovered that the old line editor (called "Edit" and invoked by a command with the same name) does work, but you'll need to search for instructions on how to use this (at least "q" quits it!).
You really would be better off waiting until you get your A1200!!!
- Ali
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Another cool way to get what you need may sound a bit over the edge but what about softkicking with a kickstart 3.1 ??? :-D
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But that'd be waaaay too easy! And think of all the fun that's to be had by attempting to use the arcane line editor commands! :-)
- Ali
P.S. 324 doesn't have any other disks with his sorry pile of A500 remains! So it might be difficult to get anything else running on it!!
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I know but that´s the point when he needs to get help from the outside of his room :lol:
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Due to a dissagreement between Softvoice and Commodore, "Say" was dropped from Version 2.0 (and all later versions of AmigaOS).
If you want to use the speech system, you have to copy over the libraries from your 1.3 disks.
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Hi,
Early versions of 2.0x still came with "translator.library" and the "Say" command, etc. This was improved upon from the older Workbench 1.x versions.
And there's this alternative (http://main.aminet.net/package.php?package=util/libs/translator42.lha), which can even speak in Klingon! :-)
- Ali
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Due to a dissagreement between Softvoice and Commodore, "Say" was dropped from Version 2.0 (and all later versions of AmigaOS).
Like InTheSand points out, 2.0x had it. It was removed from WB 2.1, and never returned.
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hehe - i just remember turning the TV up to full volume and using it to wake up my BROTHER!!!! literally hilarious (when i was 8)
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I dont know what you mean by that, But SAY was updated for the A600 on WB 2.04 ................the speech sounds much different and so do the voices..........it can also speak more properly.
By golly you're right!
I thought 1.3 was the final version because I didn't see "Say" on 2.1, but I just looked at 2.04 and "Say" is there. The 2.04 "Say" is 6220 bytes vs. 7012 bytes for the 1.3. There is no version string on the 1.3 "Say", but the 2.04 is version 37.4. Strangely, there is no translator.library on the 2.04 or 2.00 Workbench disks! (at least on the Amiga Forever ADFs)
I had to test using my old 1.3 translator.library and when using this, both versions of "Say" sound exactly the same. So if you say the 2.04 version sounds better, then it must be because of a newer translator.library. So what version is your translator.library? (and where did you get it?)
3246251196: check to see if you have translator.library in the Libs folder. If not, then that's your problem.
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@mr_a500
Actually the better sound quality comes (mostly) from the newer narrator.device, not translator.library.
IIRC also the newer translator.library was required for the best sound quality (it'd add the new control codes supported by the new narrator.device).
Missing files on Amiga Forever ADFs are probably explained by Cloanto's policy regarding disputed components (http://amigaforever.com/kb/5-107.html). Not sure if this is it, but this would explain it at least.
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Libs folder is no where in sight :S
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Wasn't there something about SAY being taken off some version of the OS at one point? Seems to me that my A4000 w/3.0 didn't have the narrator device so say could not work. I had a program called "Softalk" that did some improvements to the speech process. My daughter started on the Amiga using Talking Animator and thought the speech ability was fantastic! What a fun thing. The book Inside the Amiga has a lot of stuff on the speech ability of the Amiga. I like the part about being able to use the sound of the words to animate a mouth correctly. Wow.
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I'd like to try those newer versions of translator.library and narrator.device if somebody has them. Mine are version 33.2 from 1986 (both files).
Edit: Never mind - I just got them. Yes, it does sound different. Some words are better, some worse. I've got a program that does lots of talking - "3D Crystal Lattices" - and I can't decide if it sounds better or worse.
The Workbench 2.05 disk has the same versions as 2.04, but no "Say" program (the start of "removal" from WB). Well, now I know that the final versions are 37.7 for narrator.device and 37.1 for translator.library.
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Hi,
It's definitely worth checking out the v42 replacement translator.library (Aminet, see link in my post above), especially for non-English-speaking users, Klingons (!) and anyone not wanting American English pronounciation. I'm not sure about the quality of this vs the last official C= version as I've never done a direct comparison.
- Ali
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Piru wrote:
Like InTheSand points out, 2.0x had it. It was removed from WB 2.1, and never returned.
Now I know this is nitpicking but Say was removed starting from WB 37.72 (A600), I know because that was the version that originally came with my A600. :-)
Also for more info on the subject, please check this page out...
http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/wb_205.html
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The more precise, the better ;)
Hmm I guess 2.1 added CrossDOS then, or what was the thing... ?-)
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Yeah, I think 2.1 added crossdos. I had 2.0X on my 2000, and remember being terribly frustrated at not being able to read msdos disks.
Say was cool. I made some great prank phone calls with that one. I've been meaning to install it on my 1200, but some things just never get done.
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2.1 also added localization.