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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: tonyvdb on March 23, 2006, 07:06:04 PM
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Ok I was just wondering?
Are there other user groups like us from the 80's that still hang on to our trusty old computers (not people that are colecting them but still using them), or are there lots of others out there like us?
Examples are:
Atari
Apple II, IIe etc.
C64
any others?
Do you think that the Amiga is on a comeback?
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Do you think that the Amiga is on a comback?
No, the kommunity is poisoned. I can possibly see a resurgence in classic usage, but there will be no comeback for a NG system.
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I think we can see that the number of new people coming back to the Amiga is the same as the number leaving so market is always being replenished, but not growing.
Plenty of returning Amiga owners to Amiga.org every week but lots of them sell up a couple of months later once they have had their nostalgia fix!
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There is absolutely nothing groundbreaking that old or new Amiga(s) can offer anymore. There's only the fun in tinkering around with your toys. For anything serious, you really need a serious OS/machine.
I belive that the classic part of the community is just like any other classic game console/computer/whatever community, e.g. they are in it for pure fun and retro style computing/gaming.
The NG part of the community...this is a tough one. There is definitely no point in it, from a business standpoint, but I guess it's fun to pretend that things are progressing and that the future is looking bright. :-)
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Given that there really is not any new development in the Amiga comunity or at least one that stays for some time without changing hands a several times before dissapering I would have to agree. Its just a fun thing to do. I even think sometimes that I have spent way to much on my Amiga setup. But the fact of the matter is that I enjoy it and I do still make some money off of the video editing side of my system so why not? To do the same on the PC would involve thousands of more $$ invested.
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tonyvdb wrote:
Are there other user groups like us from the 80's that still hang on to our trusty old computers (not people that are collecting them but still using them), or are there lots of others out there like us?
Do you think that the Amiga is on a comeback?
I'd like to see Amiga make a comeback, but I sometimes wonder how this will materialize if new hardware doesn't come along.
I do find it amazing though, that we can hang on to this technology in a world where PCs are cycled faster than tp. That's remarkable in a way.
I tried purchasing a new AmigaOne but none were available at the time. My craving for such a machine is gone. I'll reconsider if they make new ones.
I like to tinker with classic Amigas, but truthfully, this is just a hobby for me. I have several other machines that run other OSs, which are good enough for my computing needs.
The reason I came back to Amiga was for hobbying. My first computer was a 2000 and so I remember the name, the colors, the sounds, the smell, the excitement... I could just as well have chosen home robotics as a hobby.
Maybe I should have chosen to collect something invisible, like germs. My wife doesn't seem to appreciate the yellowing Commodore parts lingering in the dining room.
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Well, even though I'm half-heartedly trying to sell my beloved A4000 I've no intentions of exiting the Amiga community after just coming back in.
In fact I just went to my old local Amiga store yesterday to find it still there but selling all PC's and PC equipment. However, the owner showed me the big sign that he still has hanging up promoting the Amiga. I got a local name and number from him and had a very nice 30 minute or so converstation with a long-time Amiga user. I learned a lot during that phone call and it has also given me the idea of trying to start a local user group for nothing more to discuss the Amiga and trade ideas.
Is the "new" Amiga dead? I really don't know but if some new hardware/software comes out I'm confident I'll be there to get some.
Even if I were to sell my A4000D I'd still have my A1200 and A500 up and running. I've built a huge software collection during the past few months, I need to catalog it soon, and with companies like AmigaKit.org supplying my needs I don't see me drifting away.
I've got all my Windows PC's running at the house, I'm not a huge Mac fan, and as I say in my signature I have a lot of fun with my Amiga.
Okay, to quote the famous Stan Lee....'nuff said!
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I too have spent waaaay too much on my A1200 :) My Blizzard 060/SCSI-kit and internal DCE scandoubler alone cost around £280 in total. (approx. $480?) That's a lot of money for an ancient system that's pretty much useless for any sort of modern-day use and could very well go belly-up on me anyday now due to its age.
The thing is, I get a warm glow inside whenever I switch my Amiga on and that feeling is priceless :-) I bought my Amiga when I was aged 13 and it was the first computer I owned which I really began to "understand". I first learned how to code in ASM with it and really began to understand how systems work. I did own a C64 before but I only really ever played games with that thing, so I somehow never get that intimate feeling...I don't _know_ the C64 like I know my Amiga :-)
I plan to own my Amiga until the day I die...if I can keep it alive that long! ;-)
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Well I have had Amiga`s for a total of 9 years, at one time I almost got rid of all that I had, but in the end didnt go through with it, I am so glad I didnt.
The Amiga I have to say is the best computer I have ever owned, the PC is simply no comparison, you just cant have the fun with a PC as you can have with an Amiga.
I have spent a lot of money on my setup and its still not as good as I will get it to be.
But at the end fo the day I dont much care its the enjoyment part that makes it well worth it to me.
A PC is easy enough to get and to build, but an Amiga is something else. I cant realy see the day where the Amiga will make a proper comeback, I think Microsoft has got the market.
But while there are people like those here in www.amiga.org and myself I cant see the Amiga going under either.
The one thing that realy pisses me off with a PC is all the registery files and all the other stuff that is needed to make the OS work, as the Amiga simply dont need any of that.
Its such a shame that the Amiga has had some right d***heads at the top of the company of the day that didnt help.
I think if it wasnt for some of them (not all) the Amiga would be in a better state to that of today.
Still what the hell do I know.
Mike.
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redrumloa wrote:
No, the kommunity is poisoned. I can possibly see a resurgence in classic usage, but there will be no comeback for a NG system.
Your Patrick picture sporting coupon and Amiga t-shirt is absolutely hillarious. Love it!
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RISCOS still had a loyal following in the UK, and sees active development.
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The NG part of the community...this is a tough one. There is definitely no point in it, from a business standpoint, but I guess it's fun to pretend that things are progressing and that the future is looking bright.
Tell that to those who use OS4 everyday and all those who wait for new hardware you buy. Yes, there is not much money to be made, but there is still quite a few people who prefer a small footprint OS like OS4 over bloaty/slow software like Windows, OSX, linux and similar. And dont come here preaching about how linux can be scaled down and so on, because it is still dead slow and resource hungry.
Both Windows and Linux based systems are slower on modern hardware than AmigaOS/OS4 is on older hardware. I for one dont like to wait for my OS to respond to my mouse clicks. When i open a folder in windows, i expect it to open imidiately, same thing for lighweight apps like mail and so on.
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Depends on what you mean.
I would call myself a "Amiga user" but never a hardcore follower. Those hardcore followers make a laughing stock out of the platform, for examples see Amigaworld.net. I personally think the hardcore followers do way more damage than good, the PPC obsession proves that.
Do you think that the Amiga is on a comback?
Yes in the "true Amigans" mind but in reality "no".
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Tomas wrote:
Tell that to those who use OS4 everyday and all those who wait for new hardware you buy. Yes, there is not much money to be made, but there is still quite a few people who prefer a small footprint OS like OS4 over bloaty/slow software like Windows, OSX, linux and similar. And dont come here preaching about how linux can be scaled down and so on, because it is still dead slow and resource hungry.
Both Windows and Linux based systems are slower on modern hardware than AmigaOS/OS4 is on older hardware. I for one dont like to wait for my OS to respond to my mouse clicks. When i open a folder in windows, i expect it to open imidiately, same thing for lighweight apps like mail and so on.
I agree that the only good thing going for AOS4.0 and MOS (haven't tried AROS yet) would be their lightweight, however fundamental flaw is lack of basic applications needed for everyday use. I guess this could change once/if OpenOffice and Mozilla get ported.
At this point, there's not much that can be done with NG AOS or AOS like OSes, unless you are a developer. Classic AOS can equally not provide anything useful, however at least it offers retro-gaming through WHDLoad, by using the native chipset. :-)
I don't mean to sound negative, but it's reality.
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@Tomas
Try Windows 95. It flies on my Pentium 90 and doesnt require much RAM. I think it is faster than my old A1200 was.
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try aros
linux started out with one guy linus and grew to a very respectable alternitive os it isnt very useful for home use since it is unix.
there is no reason why aros cant be like or even better than linux.
aros on practically any modern hardware is very fast good looking and is becoming more functional all the time
os4 is stagnant wainting for hardware that likely will never materialize at any reasonable power/price point if at all
try aros, it is a free download, the iso will burn easily ask for help if you need it, and try it. it will probably work on you pc
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@redrumloa
>>No, the kommunity is poisoned. I can possibly see a resurgence in classic usage, but there will be no comeback for a NG system.<<
you should never say never redrumloa :lol:
some very good people are working hard to make it happen.
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tonyvdb wrote:
Are there other user groups like us from the 80's that still hang on to our trusty old computers (not people that are colecting them but still using them), or are there lots of others out there like us?
There are a few other groups - the Sinclairs (expecially the ZX Spectrum and the QL) still have an active and loyal following on comp.sys.sinclair, and new QL clones plus various bits of Spectrum-related hardware are available new. I'm not quite sure how many of the old 8-bit micros are still in actual use though, I'd say it was less than the Amigas, as at least you can still do something useful aside from games with an Amiga!
KThunder wrote:
linux started out with one guy linus and grew to a very respectable alternitive os it isnt very useful for home use since it is unix.
I disagree there - a recent Ubuntu Linux distribution that includes OpenOffice is more than adequate for casual computer use (e.g. emailing, web browsing, printing stuff, creation of documents and spreadsheets, etc). Things there have progressed loads since the early Linux days, and such users would have no need or requirement to use the command shell as everything can be controlled graphically.
- Ali
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Are there other user groups like us from the 80's that still hang on to our trusty old computers (not people that are colecting them but still using them), or are there lots of others out there like us?
I was surprised when I saw that some people are still playing with TRS-80 Colour Computers. A quote from one site - "The Tandy Color Computer 3 may well be the ultimate hobby computer." When I read that, I almost laughed milk out my nose. My first computer was a Colour Computer 2 and I still have a Colour Computer 3, but I have to admit they are absolute crap compared to other computers of the time.
It's funny, the "CoCo" fans dream of what it would have been like if they released the Colour Computer 4 - similar to the AAA dreams of Amiga fans.
Edit: You could say that CoCo2->CoCo3 is like A500->A1200, with better graphics, more colours, backwards compatibility, but absolutely no upgrade to the sound whatsoever. (...and released too late to avoid total failure)
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I'm waiting Troika...I'm waiting.
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mr_a500 wrote:
It's funny, the "CoCo" fans dream of what it would have been like if they released the Colour Computer 4 - similar to the AAA dreams of Amiga fans.
Hehe! And the Speccy fans dream of what it'd have been like if the ZX Spectrum Loki had been released in a similar way! This was supposed to have had Amiga-style graphics and sound (blitter plus custom chipset) and a 48K Spectrum compatible mode, all controlled via a 6MHz Z80, for under £200 in around 1986.
History note: A couple of the engineers working on the Loki project left Sinclair Research, set up a company to market a new machine and this eventually appeared as the Atari Jaguar.
- Ali
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I have only 1 Amiga1200+mediator.
BlizzardPPC-040/210
I have no PC.!
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InTheSand wrote:
mr_a500 wrote:
It's funny, the "CoCo" fans dream of what it would have been like if they released the Colour Computer 4 - similar to the AAA dreams of Amiga fans.
Hehe! And the Speccy fans dream of what it'd have been like if the ZX Spectrum Loki had been released in a similar way! This was supposed to have had Amiga-style graphics and sound (blitter plus custom chipset) and a 48K Spectrum compatible mode, all controlled via a 6MHz Z80, for under £200 in around 1986.
History note: A couple of the engineers working on the Loki project left Sinclair Research, set up a company to market a new machine and this eventually appeared as the Atari Jaguar.
- Ali
And again with the C64/128 fans' dreams of the C65, though that at least was pretty much finished when it was canned by Gould. It's a shame really, the C65 looks like a very nice piece of hardware for an 8bit swansong...
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There is also the MSX 8 bit computer community.they have even new software and new hardware (like ide hardisk controlers and others), and have made an unix for MSX.
And like the Amiga they are waiting for ages for a new MSX system (the so called MSX3) that has been promised several times throughout the years by several companies
you can take a look in MSX resource center (http://www.msx.org) and other related pages
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The Atari / TOS (and even Atari 8-bit) and Acorn / RiscOS groups are still quite active.
A new announcement I noticed on the Atari 8-bit scene this month was a new graphics card for the Atari XE (http://images1.fotosik.pl/31/jrh5v0pfnlczb22a.jpg) - it plugs into the socket where the original GTIA chip was. Hi-res modes, 256-colour hardware sprites, 65536 colour palette, Quite amazing that developments such as this are occurring in 2006 for an 8-bit computer whose chipset was designed in 1978 (by Jay Miner while he was at Atari).
One big difference I have noticed is that they seem quite ready to admit their machines are not going to have a 'comeback' but are happy to keep using them, upgrading them, and developing for them simply because they enjoy it and they like the computers / OS.
It just seems to be certain people (albeit a minority these days) of the Amiga community who for some reason need to believe that Amiga will miraculously make a comeback, and are oblivious to all logic as to why this won't happen.
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Marco wrote:
And again with the C64/128 fans' dreams of the C65, though that at least was pretty much finished when it was canned by Gould. It's a shame really, the C65 looks like a very nice piece of hardware for an 8bit swansong...
At least the C65 got as far as the prototype stage - the nearest thing to a completed ZX Spectrum Loki was one made of chocolate and given away in a magazine competition! The design was too over-ambitious and could never have been produced in the timescales or at the projected cost.
Lando wrote:
...they seem quite ready to admit their machines are not going to have a 'comeback' but are happy to keep using them, upgrading them, and developing for them simply because they enjoy it and they like the computers / OS.
Realistically, that's the only reason I still use the Amiga - because I enjoy it! Tinkering with old hardware and software is a fun (though sometimes expensive!) hobby, for me at least!
But it's nice to have a dream of a new Amiga! The problem nowadays being that even if by some miracle, a company was to produce a world-beating computer with the word "Amiga" stuck on it, unless it was PC (or perhaps Mac) compatible, it wouldn't stand much of a chance regardless of specs or capability and would be relegated to an expensive low production run hobby item... So no world domination there!
- Ali
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Well i for one am waiting for an amiga comeback.
it would be grand. alas it will probably never happen.
but thats negative thinking. so as many of us here do,
i check for amiga news everyday.
and amiga.org is the first place to look.
GO Amiga. you can do it.
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At this point, there's not much that can be done with NG AOS or AOS like OSes, unless you are a developer. Classic AOS can equally not provide anything useful, however at least it offers retro-gaming through WHDLoad, by using the native chipset.
I don't mean to sound negative, but it's reality.
But you do sound negative, way too negative and you are exaggerating.
You are saying that a classic Amiga can only be used as a pure, retro game-machine, which is simply not true. You remind me of those pc users back in the Amiga-glory days. They were saying exactly the same thing and they still do..
I'm not suggesting that Amigas are up to date computers/OSes but there are plenty of serious things that you can do with them.
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For me the amiga still provides me that what I need. And my needs are not limited to the capabilities of the Amiga. For some unknown reason sitting behind the Amiga adds something hard to explain, but pleasure surrounds it. For this reason I decided to stash away my pc somewere out of sight and control it using VNC (wireless). For browsing and developing I don't need anything more. :)
;-)
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yeah, i ended up giving my PC to my dad (ultimate PC death! giving it to your parents!) as all i used it for is games.
when i think of the money i spent on it, and what i've gotten out of it, kinda an £1800 time wasting device. i don't really have the time to get involved in games anymore. so the odd hour or so here and there during the week tinkering with my amiga i find much more productive.
i agree with HellCoder,
For some unknown reason sitting behind the Amiga adds something hard to explain, but pleasure surrounds it.
just like when i get hardware through for it now - its still exciting... unlike PC hardware which is just another comodity "thing" with more this and faster that... nothing actually interesting lets be honest...
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One big difference I have noticed is that they seem quite ready to admit their machines are not going to have a 'comeback' but are happy to keep using them, upgrading them, and developing for them simply because they enjoy it and they like the computers / OS.
This is why I have an amiga these days after years only in the PC space (I was amigaless from 1997-2004). I enjoy tinkering with old hardware (amiga and PC) and have a special place for the amiga. It also helps me as I have an example of a 68k processor to tinker with programming.
Even running OS4, I still can't concider the NG amigas (AmigaOne for example) as an amiga. It is basically a PC motherboard with a PPC, a PPC chipset and a custom rom to me. An amiga isn't an amiga without the custom hardware IMHO. It just feels like a bit of an imposter IMHO.
Anyway, I wonder how strong the Atari ST following is these days?
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InTheSand: linux started out with one guy linus and grew to a very respectable alternitive os it isnt very useful for home use since it is unix.
UNIX isn't the problem. It's XWindows and KDE/Gnome running on top of UNIX that determines how useful it is for the home. As much as I respect Linux as a kernel, GNU doesn't really make things easy at the shell level, and the GUIs available for Linux aren't very impressive at all.
What I liked most about the Amiga was Workbench, though the CLI was pretty straightforward. I don't care what kernel or OS is underneath. I care about the desktop, the tools, and how it "feels." Linux (or really, each distro of it) is a completely destandardized mess by comparrison.
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@Waccoon: I agree to a point - Linux could probably do with more standardisation, and more compatibility between distros could also help...
But the point I was trying to make is that the likes of Ubuntu / Gnome / Firefox / Thunderbird / OpenOffice is more than adequate for the average Joe Windows User who is into non-demanding tasks, and to (respectfully!) disagree with the "it isn't very useful for home use" comment.
- Ali
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AmigaMance wrote:
But you do sound negative, way too negative and you are exaggerating.
You are saying that a classic Amiga can only be used as a pure, retro game-machine, which is simply not true. You remind me of those pc users back in the Amiga-glory days. They were saying exactly the same thing and they still do..
I'm not suggesting that Amigas are up to date computers/OSes but there are plenty of serious things that you can do with them.
There is simply not enough useful software available for AmigaOS. Sure, I can surf the net (kind of) in Ibrowse and send e-mails with YAM, and customise my OS look until the cows come home, but what else is there?
I own tons of Amiga computers, and most are PPC or 060 expanded, and I basically only use one of them for an occasional game or two, and that's it. I only own one PC. Guess which one gets used more? The PC. Why? Simply because it's got software support, unlike Amiga.
Once again, it's very fun to play around with an Amiga, but...
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Waccoon wrote:
UNIX isn't the problem. It's XWindows and KDE/Gnome running on top of UNIX that determines how useful it is for the home. As much as I respect Linux as a kernel, GNU doesn't really make things easy at the shell level, and the GUIs available for Linux aren't very impressive at all.
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I can't remember the name right now, but there is a window manager for Linux that is designed to have the look and feel of Workbench.
Much to my wife's disgust our home is a Micro$oft free zone. She's much happier now that I've switched from SuSe to Linspire (Lindows) Linux. After all the distribution is designed from the ground up to comfort Windows Lemmings.
I have never been a gamer. Since 1991 I've earned part of my living doing Amiga based computer graphics. These days I usually create just parts of a project on the Amiga, but assemble the thing on a PC. At home I finally got a Toaster/Flyer system last year. With it I created the photo-montage used in my daughter's wedding. If I never turn the system on again, it will still be worth the $$$ spent.
At work, or at home, when I boot up an Amiga system I get the same sort of feeling that others mentioned. This is a computer that I know and understand. If I need to create something there are many tools that even now can let me bring what is in my mind to the screen or printed page.
I'd love to have a new Amiga, but the ones I use today serve me well.
Bob
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There is simply not enough useful software available for AmigaOS. Sure, I can surf the net (kind of) in Ibrowse and send e-mails with YAM, and customise my OS look until the cows come home, but what else is there?
I guess it depends on what you consider "useful software". I personally have WAY more useful Amiga software than I ever had when I had a Windows computer. Probably the main reason for this is that almost all Amiga software is neatly arranged on Aminet and Windows software is scattered over millions of sites and you have to sift through the crap (and get infected with spyware). And if you want professional Windows software, it's damn expensive.
Besides the IBrowse and YAM and customizing until the cows (..and sheep) come home, I do lots of other stuff. (graphics, music, fax, create PDFs, spreadsheets, databases, slideshows, astronomy)
Edit: x56h34 - I reread your original post and saw that when you said there was not enough useful software you were referring to AOS4/MOS. In that case, I totally agree with you.
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you can all use your Amigas, PCs, Macs - whatever - for what YOU personally want and feel comfortable with. :-) Guys, there doesn't have to be an international conscensus on what we choose to use our computers for. There is *NO* debate here, it's about personal preference...not about trying to convince others what they should or shouldn't use a computer for.
I can see this thread deteriorating into "fanboy" fever, which would be sad considering most Amiga users today are over the age of 25 ;-)
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tonyvdb wrote:
Ok I was just wondering?
Are there other user groups like us from the 80's that still hang on to our trusty old computers (not people that are colecting them but still using them), or are there lots of others out there like us?
Examples are:
Atari
Apple II, IIe etc.
C64
any others?
Do you think that the Amiga is on a comeback?
There are plenty of people who like to tinker with things that are simple and lean. Even old 286 PC's are being hacked to work as webservers and such. I think this kind of hobbyism will always exist.
Although the new generations of people coming will have nothing with the old computers. It doesn't speak to their imagination. In the future they will tinker with other things that are relatively modern now. Like an Ipod for instance.
As for Amiga comeback; I already said it. The marked has been taken over by others. The name is not known to the new generation of people. It would be the same as introducing a brand new platform. And besides, where is that killer application? People can work hard on it all they want but to conquer you need a killer application.
The Amiga had just that in the eightees. Now it has nothing that makes it stand out. Short answer; no, for obvious reasons.
BTW; other groups are still active too. They are not computer related. I still drive my '85 Volkswagen beetle. So do ~7000 members of the VW beetle club here in holland. There are even some that have one from the 1950's. Talking about retro....
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There is *NO* debate here, it's about personal preference...not about trying to convince others what they should or shouldn't use a computer for.
I can see this thread deteriorating into "fanboy" fever, which would be sad considering most Amiga users today are over the age of 25
You're overreacting a bit. This thread so far is just a calm, logical discussion. I don't see anybody trying to convince others to use this or that computer. They ARE just stating their personal preferences.
It doesn't matter to me if someone uses an Amiga or a modified loaf of banana bread as their main computer, as long as they have fun. :-)
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Hehe! My girlfriend said she's making a banana loaf at the weekend (we have loads of frozen bananas in the freezer) so any tips on making it a PC-beater?! :-D
- Ali
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(we have loads of frozen bananas in the freezer)
Frozen bananas? *yuk*
Never seen anybody putting bananas in the freezer.
I'll have some good ole
:pancake:
instead. :-)
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Banana pancakes anyone???
:pancake: :banana:
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:laughing: Frozen bannanas work great in Bannana bread I do it often.
Seriously I was just qurious about what people thought about there Amiga hobby. I dont want this to become a shouting match or a debate as to what is better.
I truly dont think that the Amiga is an a comback but its intresting to see several new users on A.O. that were not even around when the Amiga first came around.
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>>Frozen bananas? *yuk*
Never seen anybody putting bananas in the freezer.<<
You forgot to dip them in Chocolate first...yumm.
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tonyvdb wrote:
Frozen bannanas work great in Bannana bread I do it often.
Yay! A fellow banana enthusiast! :-)
- Ali
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Hehe! My girlfriend said she's making a banana loaf at the weekend (we have loads of frozen bananas in the freezer) so any tips on making it a PC-beater?!
Sure - after mashing the bananas, throw in some graphics chips, CPU, lots of RAM, a harddrive, a USB port - and this is important: MIX WELL. Then bake at 400 degrees for 35 minutes. Cooking time may vary, so test with an oscillator. Let cool, then connect to monitor and voila.
Actually, there's no need for tips - banana loaf is already a PC-beater even without modifications. :-D
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As much as I like bananas, you have to be realistic and realize that there's no useful software available for it. It's fun to tinker with, but that's about it... ;-) ;-) ;-)
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x56h34 wrote:
As much as I like bananas, you have to be realistic and realize that there's no useful software available for it. It's fun to tinker with, but that's about it... ;-) ;-) ;-)
No software? Rubbish! :-)
There's some accounting software (http://www.banana.ch/banana4/eng/lessons/index.html) at least, but you might have some issues with device driver installation (http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/Win95_3x/Win95/Q_21580971.html)...
- Ali
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:lol: If you can get a small curent out of a potato then why not a Bannana :-)
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tonyvdb wrote:
:lol: If you can get a small curent out of a potato then why not a Bannana :-)
Because, unlike potatos, bananas don't have batteries :-)
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You're overreacting a bit. This thread so far is just a calm, logical discussion. I don't see anybody trying to convince others to use this or that computer. They ARE just stating their personal preferences.
um, actually on second thoughts, it was a little bit of an overreaction. :-) I just "sensed" some Amiga-bashing on the horizon but i think i was wrong...
Guess I've been infected with Bush's "premptive strike" philosophy...darn!
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I agree with HellCoder,
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For some unknown reason sitting behind the Amiga adds something hard to explain, but pleasure surrounds it.
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I like my AMIGA because it works. Simple. Elegant.
6 years ago I moved over to a Dell PC PIII & now an iMac 20” Intel in Feb. 2006 still I long for a new AMIGA in the future. I’d go back and buy AMIGA in a heart beat cause that’s where my heart is!
Jerry
Dowling Michigan USA
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InTheSand wrote:
Hehe! My girlfriend said she's making a banana loaf at the weekend (we have loads of frozen bananas in the freezer) so any tips on making it a PC-beater?! :-D
- Ali
Hehe, my missus is making one too :lol:
Ever tried to eat a frozen banana? Kind like eating Banana ice-cream :yum:
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@x56h34:
There is absolutely nothing groundbreaking that old or new Amiga(s) can offer anymore. There's only the fun in tinkering around with your toys. For anything serious, you really need a serious OS/machine.
That didn't kept PC and namely M$ OSes from being the dominant technology
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@adz: seeing as broccoli is the Amiga's official vegetable (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=20218), perhaps banana should be the official Amiga fruit? :-)
I've not tried frozen banana - ours are really frozen solid and I think I'd break my teeth!!!
- Ali
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You also should note that the Amiga outsold the PC two to one in the late 80's in the UK next only to the Macintosh. It was only when the PII was introduced with windowz 95 that the PC really took off.(in the North Amarican market it just never got a real good hold but still did well in 3rd place)
The Amiga community has always held on to it because it was and still is a great user friendly system to use and quit easy to understand how to operate. I still love with OS 3.5/3.9 how small the footprint is and what it can do.