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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Savan on March 22, 2006, 05:18:29 PM
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If anyone is interested there is a thread/poll on uk.playstation.com titled
"What OS's would you like on your PS3?"
Click here (http://en.forums.playstation.com/4/OpenTopic?a=frm&s=8454074051&f=426101886&host=uk&locale=en_GB)
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ps3 has no need for an OS, just good games...
it is a game console, when will ppl get over it?
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Well done Sven, that's really showing initiative. Sven is doing a great job on the PS3 site - dare we hope that something as positive as OS4 running on the PS3 could one day happen?
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Somebody else commented on OSNews about wanting PS3 to be an Amiga. Link here (http://osnews.com/permalink.php?news_id=14043&comment_id=106311).
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lol
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it is a game console, when will ppl get over it?
If it walketh like a computer and talketh like a computer, then it doth a computer-like role. But the end-users will determine that in the end.
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The trio can not even sort out their mess in-house. Getting Sony to consider AOS is like getting Amiga Inc to honor the coupons.
Alan Redhouse is also in the thread "Amiga PS3"
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PS3 hard drives ship with Linux preinstalled. The Linux port was done by a combined force of Sony, Toshiba and IBM engineers.
I'm just not sure that SCEI would want to pay Amiga Inc lots of money and add $100 onto the cost of every PS3 HDD sold for the 'Amiga' sticker plus another $70 for the OS, and then wait 5 years for Hyperion to get a '90% complete pre-release' OS4 port done, so that users can experience the thrills of web browsing in iBrowse and writing letters in AmigaWriter.
I can't even believe someone went ahead and made that poll, unless it was intended as humour?
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Alan Redhouse is also in the thread "Amiga PS3"
No Savan. It is more likey yourself. Why are you doing this?
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I will insult Amiga companies without hiding behind aliases, Thanks anyway.
I can't even believe someone went ahead and made that poll, unless it was intended as humour?
It was a serious poll, the remaining "true amigans" deep down really believe a company like Sony is going to be amigas saviour. The trio have made certain that will never happen.
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keropi wrote:
ps3 has no need for an OS, just good games...
it is a game console, when will ppl get over it?
exactly this was the primary target for the amiga at the very begining, as far as i remember the story of Jay Miner...
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ps3.....Bóóóring!!!
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i don't know, never had one ps but this is another case, don't you think?
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No, it's still boring....
Edit:
Amiga(OS) Rulez!!!
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Savan wrote:
I will insult Amiga companies without hiding behind aliases, Thanks anyway.
Uh, if you say so "Savan"
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Amiga PS3
Hi all... I have noticed its a bit fanboyish in here, but I thought I had better give you the heads up on some serious discussions going on over at Amiga related sites.
Many of you will have heard of the Amiga as a computing and gaming platform... but a new version of the Amiga OS has been developed. Amiga OS4 runs on PowerPC architecture and the Cell (as int he CPU of the PS3) has a PowerPC core. Hyperion-Entertainment who are developing the AmigaOS 4 under license from Amiga, Inc. have made it clear on Amiga sites that support for the Cell CPU should be in an update to the OS, possibly or even probably this year.
Considering its intuitiveness, general ease of use and other benefits over Linux and Windows, putting the Amiga OS on the PS3 would be an absolute godsend and really psuh the PC out of homes... The Amiga after all was the king of the home computers before Commodore went bankrupt and a year later it was the original Playstation that benefitted from the developers and softcos.
Would you like to have Amiga OS 4 on your PS3?
Sven Harvey
Gaming retail veteran
Amiga Mart writer in Micro Mart
http://www.cybertron.org.uk/
Sad, and funny at the same time.
He sounds so desperate, I'd almost sling him a fifty to go and get laid.
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He sounds so desperate, I'd almost sling him a fifty to go and get laid.
:roflmao:
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Actualy I would love OS4 on my PS3, there is one slight problem at this point in time, that may be considerd as a very small setback.
And that is I dont have a PS3.
But seriously yes I think its a good idea if it ever came about.
Afer all why not? would the idea be beyond other peoples logic to have it done? or thoughts and feeling on this?
If it can be done then let it.
Unless some one who is so superior that they decide for all of us that it wont be done because they done like the actual idea of it!
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Well, I never saw OS4 working.
I don't not how good or bad is it, but what is soo good about it that (e.g.) MorphOS doesn't have ?.
OTOH, if OS4 depends on a company, is just crazy to wait for them to release it for something they will not get any money on !.
But the real question is: How complex is _really_ to redoit ?
I heard that you don't have memory protection, is that true ?
Is it not aesier to port something else and/or modify it enough to make it as functionally similar to what OS4 is (or will be), instead of waiting ?
just asking...
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Lando wrote:
I'm just not sure that SCEI would want to pay Amiga Inc lots of money and add $100 onto the cost of every PS3 HDD sold for the 'Amiga' sticker plus another $70 for the OS, and then wait 5 years for Hyperion to get a '90% complete pre-release' OS4 port done, so that users can experience the thrills of web browsing in iBrowse and writing letters in AmigaWriter.
Yeah...OpenOffice alone crushes any offerings on the Amiga - and let's not even go down the whole web-browser street.
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I'm just not sure that SCEI would want to pay Amiga Inc lots of money and add $100 onto the cost of every PS3 HDD sold for the 'Amiga' sticker plus another $70 for the OS, and then wait 5 years for Hyperion to get a '90% complete pre-release' OS4 port done, so that users can experience the thrills of web browsing in iBrowse and writing letters in AmigaWriter.
Yeah... writing letters is a thrilling experience, and most need all M$ Word features to write *a letter*... :roll:
You cannot write a letter with AmigaWord, Final Writer or Wordsworth... (only maybe because they're not sold anymore) plus nowadays most comunication is made by e-mail, plain text or with some HTML, an area where AmigaOS is indeed lacking
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Somebody else commented on OSNews about wanting PS3 to be an Amiga.
John Carmack said it further:
As for the PS3, he liked sound of the noises Sony has been making about the PlayStation 3 as something of an open platform, and suggested that perhaps an open PS3 could become a computing platform something like the Amiga of old, with an excellent, fixed graphics subsystem. HDTV displays offer the fidelity to make this happen where it couldn't on past consoles.
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Sony are there to make money. I find it very laughable that Sony would have to pay Amiga Inc & Hyperion for allowing OS4 to run on their own hardware. You could understand if OS4 was the latest and greatest OS which companies would fight over to snap it up first but the reality is, it is a hardwareless OS which needs a new home because of pure incompetance.
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Not another one of these threads. :roll:
The only way it would happen is if Sony bought Amiga -- and they have absolutetly no reason to do so with far, far better OSes available.
Writing drivers for closed-source platforms is no joyride, either. In the end, it would cost a fortune.
I also recall that the "multimedia revolution" was supposed to happen with platforms like the 3DO and CDi. That turned out real well, didn't it? These machines are made to be game machines, and that's it. If you want a web browser, e-mail, and word processor, you can do that on a ten year old PC or a super-cheap Mini-ITX and still get decent performance.
Come on, guys... put OS4 on x86, port some Linux drivers, put a dongle on it if you want... and be done with it! Then we can all finally have what's really missing from the Amiga community: a laptop.
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It's posters like coldfish, pixie, wacooon and B00tdisk that are slowly killing the Amiga community little by little. If they don't like things they should either start devloping or leave.
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I will insult Amiga companies without hiding behind aliases, Thanks anyway
Yes, Redhouse, Oldtimeuser.
You are a silly little boy. You need a smacked backside. :-)
Mind you - your vitriole is lost on most of the forum members - they prove the adage that 'consoles are for people too dumb to own a computer'.
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It's posters like coldfish, pixie, wacooon and B00tdisk that are slowly killing the Amiga community little by little. If they don't like things they should either start devloping or leave.
Develop on what? OS4 has no hardware. OS3 had its run and is not the slightest bit aware of modern standards. Any property that could be refactored by competent people is locked in the dungeon, for whatever reason.
Lo, the people in charge for the last 15 years have done a terrific job keeping Amiga alive! Maybe once they release their next proprietary system with a 1,000 manufacturing run and charge $800 for a raw mobo which is nothing more than a PC clone with lots of bugs thrown in for good measure, we can all start developing (porting) software on a largely obsolete OS.
Or, we can make a new Workbench running on standard hardware, with a real kernel, and a completely new shell and multimedia tools, and kill all this political anti-Intel BS.
If the classic community is what you're talking about, go ahead and buy an Elbox Dragon... if it's ever released.
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Ohh Boy here we go another "fanboy" cosole\os4 topic just what we needed. Get over it !! Its a got damn cosole if you want a computer bye a computer might as wel since the ps3 will cost about 390£ annyways.
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boing wrote:
It's posters like coldfish, pixie, wacooon and B00tdisk that are slowly killing the Amiga community little by little. If they don't like things they should either start devloping or leave.
I could sling you a fifty too if it means I can stay...
:-P
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Sony are there to make money. I find it very laughable that Sony would have to pay Amiga Inc & Hyperion for allowing OS4 to run on their own hardware.
Not only you, probably Hyperion or Amiga Inc themselves if they still exist, that is... it's called common sense
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@boing:
It's posters like boing that are slowly reviving the Amiga community little by little. If they like things they should neither start developing nor leave.
No, it still doesn't make any sense :roll:
BTW, I'm indeed developing, not that it should matter to you anyhow... plus Amiga Inc don't need no one to help them, they've become experts in bashing themselves
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@boing:
It's posters like boing that are slowly reviving the Amiga community little by little. If they like things they should neither start developing nor leave.
No, it still doesn't make any sense :roll:
BTW, I'm indeed developing, not that it should matter to you anyhow... plus Amiga Inc don't need no one to help them, they've become experts in bashing themselves
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Or, we can make a new Workbench running on standard hardware, with a real kernel, and a completely new shell and multimedia tools, and kill all this political anti-Intel BS.
Ok, go ahead, create your own, just don't try to enforce your (flawed) opinion onto others. I am sure people like Dammy will welcome you there. Don't forget to close the door on your way out.
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drHirudo wrote:
Or, we can make a new Workbench running on standard hardware, with a real kernel, and a completely new shell and multimedia tools, and kill all this political anti-Intel BS.
Ok, go ahead, create your own, just don't try to enforce your (flawed) opinion onto others. I am sure people like Dammy will welcome you there. Don't forget to close the door on your way out.
I see you are part of the "La la la I'm not listening crowd" :-(
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As much as alot of people would like it these polls and threads are a waste of time. The only ones that can do anything for OS4 is Amiga Inc, and I don`t think they care at all. They have had lots of hardware platforms to go to, but don`t. I would bet money, you will see an AROS port or UAE on linux before OS4 would get ported to the PS3. Maybe even AmigaForever 7 on PS3.
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I see you are part of the "La la la I'm not listening crowd"
Look where it got them, nowhere. Yeah you have OS4 and quite a few Amigaones out there but that is it.
You made your bed, now lie in it.
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Amen brother!
So long as there's a vocal, fanatical, puritanical, zealous element of the Amiga community it will never elevate beyond a obscure, proprietary hardware, niche platform.
Ah well, I could care less, Ive got Aros, Linux and XP with WinUAE all running on my Lappy. Spoilt for choice!
ps: Damn KDE is purdee and quick too.
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Look where it got them, nowhere.
Much better than the solutions you implied - AROS - useless OS with no software; MorphOS - underdeveloped and dead OS with no new software either.
Yeah you have OS4 and quite a few Amigaones out there but that is it.
Yep it's at least something, compared to the other similar choises. If you want and like the Amiga, that's it. If you don't - there are much better places to go.
You made your bed, now lie in it.
Sure, I happily sleep in my bed, do you feel comfortable in yours?
To the "why no AOS 4 on x86" crowd: - it's Hyperion's effort, they can decide whatever to do with their child.
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drHirudo wrote:
Yeah you have OS4 and quite a few Amigaones out there but that is it.
Yep it's at least something, compared to the other similar choises.
Last time I checked, the Morphos-compatible platforms were still on sale. Rumours also say that there are millions of x86 which could potentially run AROS or Amithlon.
Yes, at least that's "something" compared to the few (half of them flawed) AmigaOnes which were produced. :lol:
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humppa, hardware is nothing without software, boy. You can buy the fastest PC available install AROS on it and watch your icons all day, but you will feel bored pretty soon, I am sure. Oh, well, you can try to port some neat software to AROS, but you can't do this directly on it, you have to install Linux. The Morphos-compatible platforms are as much outdated in specs as the AmigaOnes, and even if you run MorphOS on they, you will find that you switched to Linux faster than you thought. That's why I said if you like and want Amiga, AmigaOS 4 is the only choise which still have some hope (and future) left in it. If you want Linux or something else, buy PC and be happy.
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drHirudo wrote:
Much better than the solutions you implied - AROS - useless OS with no software; MorphOS - underdeveloped and dead OS with no new software either.
MorphOS isn't dead. There have been several updates in the past year, including the long-awaited native TCP/IP stack, updates to the USB stack, the release of the free PowerUP version along with two updates for it, the MorphOS 3D package with OpenGL compatible API and Goa Warp3D wrapper (that is faster than the original on the same hardware), the latest Ambient update (released on 12th March).
That's just off the top of my head. And development is ongoing.
It's also home to the only (as far as I know) working KHTML-based browser for any Amiga-like platform.
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@drHirudo
humppa, hardware is nothing without software, boy. You can buy the fastest PC available install AROS on it and watch your icons all day, but you will feel bored pretty soon, I am sure.
So what's the difference between MorphOS and OS4 concerning software abundance? AROS is still a developers OS - and you know it. Developers like to code (you should know that yourself) and don't want to stare at icons all day.
and even if you run MorphOS on they, you will find that you switched to Linux faster than you thought.
That's not what I am seeing. I see people who are happy to have a platform that is able to run multiple operating systems. So funny that you construct this as a disadvantage.
That's why I said if you like and want Amiga, AmigaOS 4 is the only choise which still have some hope (and future) left in it.
Because... Linux or other OS dont run so well on it? Is that the reason why it's "the future"? :lol:
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So what's the difference between MorphOS and OS4 concerning software abundance?
There were times when the MorphOS software was more but now it's the vice versa - on the PD front:
MorphOSNews (http://www.morphos-news.de/software.php?lg=en) - 675 items.
OS4Depot.net (http://os4depot.net) - Total files: 908
AROS Archives (http://archives.aros-exec.org/) - Total files: 35 (irrelevant).
AROS is still a developers OS - and you know it. Developers like to code (you should know that yourself) and don't want to stare at icons all day.
Huh, developers OS on which you can't develop!?!
That's not what I am seeing. I see people who are happy to have a platform that is able to run multiple operating systems.
Any link to these people so I can see them. What I see on MorphZone is mostly whining and sometimes trashing AmigaOS.
So funny that you construct this as a disadvantage.
Buying Pegasos for multiple OSes is silly. PC box runs the same and even many more OSes, faster. With only one exclusion (MorphOS), but it's irrelevant.
Because... Linux or other OS dont run so well on it? Is that the reason why it's "the future"?
How much I have to repeat that buying Pegasos or AmigaOne for Linux is silly, since you can run Linux on much cheaper box, and you won't care about the endian problems which may arise on the PPC when porting x86 software?
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OS4 on a PS3?
Hmmm, that would be like having an Amiga that needs to goto the shop every other month because the CD drive won't work, or DVD playback screws up. :)
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There were times when the MorphOS software was more but now it's the vice versa
Nice stats. Here are even more "drastic" ones: upload stats by architecture (http://aminet.net/pics/arch_new_stats.png) *cough*
So how does this relate to your statement "hardware is nothing without software"? Are both platforms equally dead? I can't believe that the OS4 future will be a very prosperous one if I look at the hardware situation.
Any link to these people so I can see them.
Maybe it's some kind of colour-blindness that occurs if you hang around on AW.net for too long. :lol:
Buying Pegasos for multiple OSes is silly. PC box runs the same and even many more OSes, faster.
Yeah, having a platform which is only able to run one single OS is better, good point, NOT.
How much I have to repeat
Are you an incarnation of Rogue?
that buying Pegasos or AmigaOne for Linux is silly
I heard that there are people who bought a Pegasos because of MorphOS and because of general interest in a PPC-based platform.
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Nice stats. Here are even more "drastic" ones: upload stats by architecture *cough*
So how does this relate to your statement "hardware is nothing without software"? Are both platforms equally dead?
If you say so.
I can't believe that the OS4 future will be a very prosperous one if I look at the hardware situation.
What's up with the hardware situation. My hardware works fine.
Maybe it's some kind of colour-blindness that occurs if you hang around on AW.net for too long.
You didn't answer my question. I read MorphZone from time to time.
Yeah, having a platform which is only able to run one single OS is better, good point, NOT.
If this is the OS I want, then it's much better. Other OSes are as much irrelevant to me as much to the people who bought PCs for WindowsXP and neither care, nor give any shit about other OSes, available for x86. Or as much as I care running anything other than Symbian on my N-Gage.
Are you an incarnation of Rogue?
Tsk.
I heard that there are people who bought a Pegasos because of MorphOS and because of general interest in a PPC-based platform.
Sorry but people implies plural, not singular, but bbrv said the he sold only one Pegasos for MorphOS with the ODW program in the last months. Who to believe?
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@drHirudo
Who cares when MorphOS has working WarpUp and Warp3D support? I can run all those Amiga programs which you cant ;-)