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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Kernel on March 13, 2006, 05:32:31 PM
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Is there any hope of ever obtaining a new AmigaOne? What are the best prospects for a new mothetboard? And how does one get OS4 if they did get a motherboard?
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answers to your questions, in order:
slender.
not a lot at the mo.
look in the packaging it arrived in. ;-)
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There is a rumor of some new MicroA1-c going into production but I've had problems with mine. I'm hoping things will go better with the PowerVixxen LT in my A1200 (if and when it ever comes out). If that doesn't work out the Troika Amy '05 should be out soon also.
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Is there any hope of ever obtaining a new AmigaOne?
Zero
What are the best prospects for a new mothetboard?
I'd say Troika (100%) but it has been delayed.
PowerVixxen was supposed to be a 'cert' by now but seems to be 'vapourising'....
And how does one get OS4 if they did get a motherboard?
Under the license Hyperion are supposed to operate by, AmigaOS4 is always bundled with the board unless it is the special PhaseV/DCE version.
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I am currently negotiating with Hyperion to provide a new amiga motherboard or using an existing or brand new design.
I want Hyperion to eliminate the need for a ROM, or I'll have to add a new one to the board design. This will slow things down. However, flash ROM won't be much of a problem.
I want to use a dual core set-up.
Hyperion was foolish to make it one board specific.
They now say on their website that they will work with you to port the OS to a new chip if necessary. I was thinking of AMD. The chips are well supported and have a future.
Kathy Elliott
Mystical Rose Technologies
Former Amiga Developer and OS Tester
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This sounds interesting.
Timescale ?
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kathyone: rofl , good try.
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Ever feel like some people are waiting for the coming of the Messiah? Maybe it has to do something about some peoples' professed faith in certain "religions" whatever they be. :-?
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They now say on their website that they will work with you to port the OS to a new chip if necessary. I was thinking of AMD. The chips are well supported and have a future.
Never mind OS4, AROS (http://www.aros.org/index.php) is already working on your first step (x86-64 native) and could do it far cheaper then Hyperion. The x86-64 native port bounty (http://www.thenostromo.com/teamaros/bounty_details_21.html) sure could use some donations. Michal is reworking the AROS kernel to be modular for a bunch of future improvements to bring AROS to modern OS capabilities. :-)
Dammy
TeamAROS (http://www.thenostromo.com/teamaros/index.html)
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Amiga One is dead IMHO.
Better go for Pegasos.
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Kathyone wrote:
I am currently negotiating with Hyperion to provide a new amiga motherboard or using an existing or brand new design.
I want Hyperion to eliminate the need for a ROM, or I'll have to add a new one to the board design. This will slow things down. However, flash ROM won't be much of a problem.
I want to use a dual core set-up.
Hyperion was foolish to make it one board specific.
They now say on their website that they will work with you to port the OS to a new chip if necessary. I was thinking of AMD. The chips are well supported and have a future.
Kathy Elliott
Mystical Rose Technologies
Former Amiga Developer and OS Tester
If hardware vendors will still need to negotiate with the AmigaOS producers or owners, and AmigaOS will still only be allowed to be sold for "Amiga motherboards", then what's the difference?
AmigaOS would still be dead, only it would be dead on a better CPU this time. :P
Nevertheless, good luck!
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Seehund wrote:
Kathyone wrote:
I am currently negotiating with Hyperion to provide a new amiga motherboard or using an existing or brand new design.
I want Hyperion to eliminate the need for a ROM, or I'll have to add a new one to the board design. This will slow things down. However, flash ROM won't be much of a problem.
I want to use a dual core set-up.
Hyperion was foolish to make it one board specific.
They now say on their website that they will work with you to port the OS to a new chip if necessary. I was thinking of AMD. The chips are well supported and have a future.
Kathy Elliott
Mystical Rose Technologies
Former Amiga Developer and OS Tester
If hardware vendors will still need to negotiate with the AmigaOS producers or owners, and AmigaOS will still only be allowed to be sold for "Amiga motherboards", then what's the difference?
AmigaOS would still be dead, only it would be dead on a better CPU this time. :P
Nevertheless, good luck!
I don't understand what she's saying. AmigaOS 4.x is PPC, that's the only CPU Hyperion have a contract for. And if AmigaOS did get ported to x86-64 then I'd want to be able to go to Scan or Aria and choose my own motherboard, not have someone over at AmigaInc telling me what motherboard I can use and who I have to buy it from - that's just insane.
In other words, what is she going to be selling? Sounds like she wants to design and manufacture her own x86 motherboard, which will only be produced in small quantities and no doubt be high priced / low specced because of it, plus the obligatory Amiga 'name tax'.
Meanwhile there are hundreds of off-the-shelf, tried and tested, high-performance, low-cost x86 motherboards already available for me to buy any time I like.
Why the heck would I want to buy hers?
I was against AmigaOS on x86 or for a long time. But now, I think that if AmigaOS 4 had gone to x86 from day 1, instead of the AmigaOne debacle, there's be tens of thousands of OS4 users right now. Still a drop in the ocean, but a vast improvement on the current situation.
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Oh come on, you're acting like they never sent out the T-Shirts...
:-D :-D :-D
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Kathyone wrote:
I am currently negotiating with Hyperion to provide a new amiga motherboard or using an existing or brand new design.
I want Hyperion to eliminate the need for a ROM, or I'll have to add a new one to the board design. This will slow things down. However, flash ROM won't be much of a problem.
I want to use a dual core set-up.
Hyperion was foolish to make it one board specific.
They now say on their website that they will work with you to port the OS to a new chip if necessary. I was thinking of AMD. The chips are well supported and have a future.
Kathy Elliott
Mystical Rose Technologies
Former Amiga Developer and OS Tester
Why waste your time and resources? You may as well throw your money into the fireplace, the Amiga is dead, end of story.
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sys64738 wrote:
Amiga One is dead IMHO.
Better go for Pegasos.
Yeah, that makes sense :roll:
Next time try and come up with a viable solution.
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@adz
Wow, your enthusiasm for the Amiga is overwhelming. :(
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drewz21 wrote:
@adz
Wow, your enthusiasm for the Amiga is overwhelming. :(
Sorry if my realistic appraisal of the situation offended you, but someone has to have the balls to say it. If we were talking about a classic rebuild, eg. Minimig, then I'm all for it, but these "new" Amiga's share nothing with the classics I enjoyed during the early-mid 90's.
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Kernel wrote:
Is there any hope of ever obtaining a new AmigaOne? What are the best prospects for a new mothetboard? And how does one get OS4 if they did get a motherboard?
I think your only chance is by buying second hand. The OS4 pre release was bundled with all motherboards, and you also get to download free updates upto and including OS4 final.
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Hyperion was foolish to make it one board specific.
I dont think that decision was made by Hyperion. I believe it is AmigaINC that has stopped OS4 from running on various hardware by demanding people to pay huge amounts for a license. I believe several board manufactor has asked for a license, but they either got zero response from Amiga inc or they werent willing to go with the terms.
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@adz:
Maybe you never used much the OS... :roll:
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dammy wrote:
They now say on their website that they will work with you to port the OS to a new chip if necessary. I was thinking of AMD. The chips are well supported and have a future.
Never mind OS4, AROS (http://www.aros.org/index.php) is already working on your first step (x86-64 native) and could do it far cheaper then Hyperion. The x86-64 native port bounty (http://www.thenostromo.com/teamaros/bounty_details_21.html) sure could use some donations. Michal is reworking the AROS kernel to be modular for a bunch of future improvements to bring AROS to modern OS capabilities. :-)
Dammy
TeamAROS (http://www.thenostromo.com/teamaros/index.html)
Ok, so I downloaded the ISO from the 02/07 build and it looks pretty cool, but what exactly can I do with it? Is it installable to HD? Can I install regular Am iga programs and run with it, or arfe there compatability issues, etc? I admit I haven't read mcuh on the website.
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Yes, you can install it on a drive to use it natively. Going with SFS, it's a bit tricky to do the install, but there are instructions on how to do it (or jump over to #aros on irc.freenode.org for semi real time help if a Dev is at the keyboard). There is UAE for Amiga apps. There is also AROS-Max (http://aros-max.co.uk/) distro which has both native, hosted, and emulated ISOs.
Current active projects:
ATI driver (nearing test release)
USB
x86-64 port (major rewrite of kernel to allow modular support)
Though we do try to post to AO, alot of more info is posted over on AROS-exec.org (http://aros-exec.org/modules/news/).
Dammy
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justthatgood wrote:
Ever feel like some people are waiting for the coming of the Messiah? Maybe it has to do something about some peoples' professed faith in certain "religions" whatever they be. :-?
Yeah.
I am.
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Hyperion was foolish to make it one board specific.
I dont think that decision was made by Hyperion. I believe it is AmigaINC that has stopped OS4 from running on various hardware by demanding people to pay huge amounts for a license. I believe several board manufactor has asked for a license, but they either got zero response from Amiga inc or they werent willing to go with the terms.
Amiga has stated many times that they are not a hardware company. The PPC decision was made by Hyperion. I don't know about the chipset-specific decision, though it makes sense given the resources required to support multiple chipsets, and Eyetech was the only company to step up and provide hardware.
It's pretty obvious that Amiga Inc. doesn't really care what happens to AmigaOS. I'm under the impression that Hyperion is calling most of the shots, now, when it comes to the platforms supported by AmigaOS. They have to do most of the work, after all.
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Dammy,
I have never had the chance to look at the AROS internals although I am familiar with the effort from the beginning. I have been associated with the Amiga from 1987.
I am a trained Assembly language, c, c++, and Java programmer with 24 years experience.
I have a PPC design that can use Amiga OS 4 with little or no porting needed.
The AMD might be better with AROS but that is something I cannot comment on without being familiar with the internals.
I also have an alternative OS that is even smaller, faster and lighter than OS 4 or AROS.
Embedded developers know it well. They already finished an AMiga port some years ago. That is all I will say at this point. You can research it and you will know who it is.
Kathyone
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Hey defender of the faith,
Good for you. Let me just say I have worked with the amiga as a developer and OS tester since 1987.
I am a computer programmer by degree with specialty in Assembly language programming and embedded systems.
I already have a patentable design that can be prototyped in 30 days or less, guaranteed.
Let me just state that I can use either the PPC or the AMD with minor design changes since my processor and memory are on upgradeable cards that just plug in.
The design form factor is a standard and well known but smaller and more modular than the present Micro ATX form factor you are looking at.
Let me just say that it is an embedded SBC or single board computer that doesn't need a backplane for power to save cost. I will just license the embedded OS I mentioned on another forum, but for fairness I will restate that it already has an amiga port done. NO waiting. It will run the amiga programs now.
I must work out an agreement and then I can tell you more. Hyperion must give me an answer. I contacted them by e-mail and contacted others to get their phone #.
That shows I'm serious. I had an agreement and approval for my design from the SBA in 2000. Then I moved to Canada.
I am still a US citizen, and always will be. Just a permanent resident of Canada. My husband is from Six Nations reserve in Ontario Canada. I am a native NY from Buffalo, NY.
Getting this done is easy with the proper cash and contacts.
I can get one and I have the other.
That is enough about me for now.
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To answer your question, no problem but without the code you can't ROM anything.
Hyperion must provide the licensing. It isn't a technical problem but a legal one.
Otherwise you would just be a hacker. I'm not. I'm a professional programmer that plays by the rules. The Golden Rule and all that.
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I have never had the chance to look at the AROS internals although I am familiar with the effort from the beginning. I have been associated with the Amiga from 1987.
AROS documentation can be found here (http://www.aros.org/documentation/developers/index.php). Asking questions would be best on either the AROS-Dev ML here (http://www.aros.org/documentation/developers/index.php) or post on AROS-Exec (http://aros-exec.org/modules/news/). If you want to know more about AROS' developement direction, try irc.freenode.org on #aros and if mschulz is around, ask him.
Dammy
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@Kathyone
Hyperion must provide the licensing.
No, you are wrong. Amiga Inc. must provide the licensing.
See http://www.amiga.com/amigaos/
"AmigaOne Partners have the right to distribute AmigaOS 4.0 into the AmigaOne desktop computer market and into Cyberstorm PPC enabled devices. Distribution into any other market or device requires a licensing and distribution agreement with Amiga, Inc. For information on licensing, adaptation or modification of any existing Amiga Operating System, please contact, technologylicensing@amiga.com"
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pixie wrote:
@adz:
Maybe you never used much the OS... :roll:
You mean OS2.x/3.x yes, I used them for many years, OS4, no, why would I bother? No modern web browser, no modern games, no...ah I'm wasting valuable energy now, this has all been covered many times before.
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TO Kathy Elliot
IMO the best way to avoid legal problem is buying Eyetech.
Is this possible?
If you want to use X86, it's better to use cheap X86 board with a PCI card or USB dongle for copyright protection.
Perhaps you can limit the support to certain chipset, certain video card etc.
Do you have any budget for promotion / marketing?
Is "Mystical Rose Technologies" a registered company in Canada / USA?
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@Kathyone
Can you give us an indication of possible specs or price?
(not that it matters really. users wanting to run os4 will take just about anything that comes along)
I didnt quite understand what you were saying before.. is OS4 ported to this mobo already somehow?
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@adz
If we all had your attitude this forum wouldn't exist. Do you think of the Amiga as anything other than a retro games machine? FCOL man we need progress and whilst we sometimes get frustrated waiting, to come to the conclusion that only "classic rebuilds" like minimig are worth support whilst slating attempts at real progress make my blood boil.
As all my friends know I like my blood warm so unless you've got something constructive to add......no I thought not. Perhaps you should use your oh so bl**dy valuable energy to code something modern for OS4. Then again...why bother.
..... :evil:
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@Tripitaka
I think you just have to accept the fact that not everyone is interested in OS4/MOS/AROS but only in classics (or real Amigas like some say).
After all Amiga is a retro gaming machine to the majority out there. They dont give a {bleep} to our MOS/OS4.
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I SMELL HERESY!
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Do you think of the Amiga as anything other than a retro games machine? FCOL man we need progress
Last time I checked there was no other options than keeping on with my trusty Classic machine.
Or does Godfrey's in Lowestoft have any Amy's in stock now? Must have missed that ;-)
Progress, well, I can't see any. Hyperion did not even receive an Amy-prototype yet. So what progress is being made exactly?
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If we all had your attitude this forum wouldn't exist. Do you think of the Amiga as anything other than a retro games machine?
This site aint amigaworld, we are not zombies who bow down to everything amiga and arse lick companies who screw us over time and time again. Me (and others) have bad attitudes towards this crappy new amiga because to be quite honest it SUCKS and it is a disgusting insult to the amiga name.The amiga should have been left in the past where it was remembered as being great, instead of being insulted with crap like the amigaone and that glorified OS3.9
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@Savan
So you come here to say how crappy AmigaOS4 is, based on what? So the world doesn't quite fit to your needs(as for the path choosen and the choices available) but then again there's minimig which might well fit...
As for this isn't AW part of your post... you might well presume that the condition for not being a zombie is thinking that it (the new Amiga and its OS) has to suck, but that would bring another debate
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Possible options:
1. There is an exchangable CPU card with various type of CPU is VSPA from SiliconBandwidth / Panda / Rock City for Pentium II / 400 MHz in 1998.
"The Panda Project, Inc. Monday introduced the Rock City ST-400, the latest addition to its award-winning line of stylish Rock City personal computers. The Rock City ST-400 features an Intel 400MHz Pentium II Processor with MMX Technology, AGP support and 100MHz bus capability, at a base price of $2,595. Panda expects to introduce advanced Alpha-based models and upgradeable models of Rock City that incorporate VSPA and Compass technologies to extract additional performance at a very low price point in a small form factor."
2. Multicomputer standard from Ziatech / PICMG standard, but Ziatech was bought by Intel.
3. Perhaps you can use HTX bus/connector, because both AMD Opteron and PowerPC G5 support Hypertransport.
http://www.hypertransport.org/tech/tech_specs_conn.cfm
4. SlotServer technology.
http://www.south14.com
> No porting
Do you use PowerPC CPU card with the buggy MAI Logic chipset?
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Amiga has stated many times that they are not a hardware company. The PPC decision was made by Hyperion. I don't know about the chipset-specific decision, though it makes sense given the resources required to support multiple chipsets, and Eyetech was the only company to step up and provide hardware.
That is odd, because i can clearly recall that AmigaINC announced the so called zeca specs for the AmigaONE name. Also hyperion was not hired to port the OS before years after the AmigaONE and OS4 was announced. Hyperion didnt have any part in choosing the hardware, as it was all up to Amiga and Eyetech.
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At least someone is standing up on Amigaworld and putting some of the blame on Hyperion (despite the usual {bleep}s calling him/her a troll)
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=18013&forum=33
Very true though. Hyperion have been made out to be innocent Amiga heroes for years but in fact they are the stupid {bleep}s who have shafted themselves by doing buisness with dirty crooks. How the hell can anyone defend a company what closes their eyes when doing deals? OS4 will end in tears no thanks to Hyperion.
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AmigaOne Alive?
No.
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Hyperion are making their work, what are them to blame? Of producing an OS? Get out of here...
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Tripitaka wrote:
@adz
If we all had your attitude this forum wouldn't exist.
Ummm, yes this forum would exist, as the classic user ratio far outweighs the OS4 user ratio.
Do you think of the Amiga as anything other than a retro games machine?
Yes, it was a games machine then and its a games machine now.
FCOL man we need progress and whilst we sometimes get frustrated waiting,
I'm not waiting for anything, already got all the Amiga's I want.
to come to the conclusion that only "classic rebuilds" like minimig are worth support whilst slating attempts at real progress make my blood boil.
Better calm down, you might explode ;-)
As all my friends know I like my blood warm so unless you've got something constructive to add......no I thought not.
I've added far more constructive content to this thread than you.
Perhaps you should use your oh so bl**dy valuable energy to code something modern for OS4. Then again...why bother.
Exactly, why bother, I'd rather spend my time on something that will actually generate an income.
Forgive my rather direct reply, but I give what I get and I never like to sugar-coat anything.
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Hyperion are making their work, what are them to blame? Of producing an OS? Get out of here...
Hyperion are the stupid ones for making deals with well known crooks, Amiga Inc was known for being crooked {bleep}s well before OS4 came out. Hyperion freely went in to buisness with Amiga Inc and Eyetech, when the {bleep} hit the fan the silly fans jumped to their defence with their "Hyperion are not the baddies, Amiga Inc are". I do not understand why everyone still has hardons for Hyperion, they are no better than Amiga Inc and Eyetech.
Yeah give them credit for OS4 (i do) but in the end it is their own fault for ending up with a hardwareless OS, even Amithlon has more life over OS4 and thats saying something.
If your stupid enough to do buisness with known crooks then you reap what you sow.
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Yeah give them credit for OS4 (i do) but in the end it is their own fault for ending up with a hardwareless OS, even Amithlon has more life over OS4 and thats saying something.
You really should get out more... :roll:
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I am currently negotiating with Hyperion to provide a new amiga motherboard or using an existing or brand new design.
I want Hyperion to eliminate the need for a ROM, or I'll have to add a new one to the board design. This will slow things down. However, flash ROM won't be much of a problem.
I want to use a dual core set-up.
Hyperion was foolish to make it one board specific.
They now say on their website that they will work with you to port the OS to a new chip if necessary. I was thinking of AMD. The chips are well supported and have a future.
Kathy Elliott
Mystical Rose Technologies
Former Amiga Developer and OS Tester
Hmmm...and years later now:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33444&forum=34
#6
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if AMIGA is dead, what are all you doing here ?
The title says AMIGA.ORG, not AROS, or MORPHOS, or OSX or WINDOWS or LINUX.
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Hmmm...and years later now:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33444&forum=34
#6
Well I believe the poster meant P5020 processors (not 55020) and QorIQ processors (which the P5020 is one of) are plausible.
I'm not so sure about the comments on ARM processor based laptops or getting the name for PCIe (which is PCI Express not Extreme) wrong.
Also you don't go from diagrams or schematics to production. The processors she's mentioned would need a multi-layer board (about 8 to 10 layer), all carefully laid out.
I'm skeptical, but let's wait and see.
BTW - Freescale still has the P5020 and P5010 under an NDA and your not going to get the technical info needed to work with them without a corporate e-mail address and a signed NDA.
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As to new AmigaOnes, we've got the X1000 which should be introduced soon.
And Acube has the SAM440 and 460.
A-eon may consider the QorIQ and e5500 cored processors for later products.
With an almost 5 year gap in posts, this above mentioned reference may be more vaporware.
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Well, just for giggles, I download and tried Slitaz, and it does boot quick. 12 seconds and that's from the CD Rom after decompression of the kernel. Nice...
Now, if they'd only take a lesson from GoboLinux and lose the ugly file-system, and revamp Linux commands to something less cryptic, we might actually have an "Amiga-like" solution here. Of course, they need to do a little more than that and I certainly don't expect them to, so I'm just blathering. :)
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Well, just for giggles, I download and tried Slitaz, and it does boot quick. 12 seconds and that's from the CD Rom after decompression of the kernel. Nice...
Now, if they'd only take a lesson from GoboLinux and lose the ugly file-system, and revamp Linux commands to something less cryptic, we might actually have an "Amiga-like" solution here. Of course, they need to do a little more than that and I certainly don't expect them to, so I'm just blathering. :)
Your easily amused aren't you... that sounded like a bundle of fun... ;)
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Hmmm...and years later now:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33444&forum=34
#6
Same troll post was sent to the AROS dev list this morning with each occurence of the word Amiga replaced with AROS.
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Same troll post was sent to the AROS dev list this morning with each occurence of the word Amiga replaced with AROS.
OK, I found it a bit dubious as the poster claims to have finished a design with a processor that isn't available yet (and gets the processor name wrong and the meaning of PCIe wrong).
I guess I should count on one of these for Christmas?
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Been away for awhile and I'm again puzzled by the forum...last time here the new Sam 440 Amiga was available...what has happened since last year?
It looks like there are no Amiga's having been developed or built or have they been scrapped?
Can anyone help my questions?
Has the 440 board been improved, replaced or ...?
Thank you
Diamond.
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Pegasos is still being made ? Is anyone in the hardware business anymore ...is it all just Amiga software that is available? I'm speaking of OS4.xx hardware.
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Why waste your time and resources? You may as well throw your money into the fireplace, the Amiga is dead, end of story.
Hi,
My Amiga is old but not dead, I turn it on every night.
The other day I thought it was dead, but it was just snickering
smerf
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Dammy,
I have never had the chance to look at the AROS internals although I am familiar with the effort from the beginning. I have been associated with the Amiga from 1987.
I am a trained Assembly language, c, c++, and Java programmer with 24 years experience.
I have a PPC design that can use Amiga OS 4 with little or no porting needed.
The AMD might be better with AROS but that is something I cannot comment on without being familiar with the internals.
I also have an alternative OS that is even smaller, faster and lighter than OS 4 or AROS.
Embedded developers know it well. They already finished an AMiga port some years ago. That is all I will say at this point. You can research it and you will know who it is.
Kathyone
Hi,
I have been saying that all along, that they should of went with AMD a long time ago, but these looney Amiga people couldn't see that PPC was not only slow but it was actually fading away in developement, now it seems to be dead. I have heard of someone trying to port AmigaOS over to X86 but I just took it as rumor.
smerf
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At least someone is standing up on Amigaworld and putting some of the blame on Hyperion (despite the usual {bleep}s calling him/her a troll)
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=18013&forum=33
Very true though. Hyperion have been made out to be innocent Amiga heroes for years but in fact they are the stupid {bleep}s who have shafted themselves by doing buisness with dirty crooks. How the hell can anyone defend a company what closes their eyes when doing deals? OS4 will end in tears no thanks to Hyperion.
Hi,
@Savan,
Actually Amiga Inc. started it all by hiring Eyetech to build the boards and Hyperion to program the software, it seemed that for the first year, Eyetech changed the hardware around a few times then quit, and left the scene if I remember right, Amiga Inc. still contracted Hyperion to program the software, then I guess the money ran out at Amiga Inc. and then Hyperion took them to court or Amiga Inc. took them to court or both of them took them to court and thats were they stayed for the next umpteen years. Now I could be wrong with all this because actually rumors where flying all over the place and it is all because the Amiga community couldn't decide on the right CPU to use.
smerf
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Hi,
@Adz,
Lets see if you call the video toaster or Pen Pal, Final Copy, Superbase, Miamiga File, DBman, VIP, etc. games then you were really to young to see what the Amiga could really do and still does today with these programs.
Sure the Amiga could play games, but so can the MAC and the PC's but you won't call them game platforms.
All I know is that everything I put on my Amiga 4000 is still there since 1992, can you say that about the PC's with crash and burn windows business machines, or lock up and lose it MAC machines.
The Amiga wasn't about games, I did more work on my Amiga than I do on my PC, because I know the Amiga will keep my data, I just sort of use my Windows machine for games only, because it is very good at crashing and losing data. Anybody out there using a PC or MAC that still has data on it since 1992 (without backups) I don't think so since most of you probably threw those old machines out.
smerf
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if AMIGA is dead, what are all you doing here ?
The title says AMIGA.ORG, not AROS, or MORPHOS, or OSX or WINDOWS or LINUX.
@ribdevil,
Yes but classic Amiga doesn't do quite well on the internet. Even Amiga.org doesn't talk Amiga anymore.
smerf
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I really don´t have the time to read through this whole thread. And I don´t like reading all the rants of people who dislike OS4 more than it deserves. So forgive me, if I am redundant.
Is there any hope of ever obtaining a new AmigaOne?
Yes of course there is! Have you been living under a rock? It is called the X1000 and I am really confident, that you may shop one for christmas 2011, if you start saving money now.
However I am curious as to why SAM-boards doesn´t look like an alternative to you.