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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Gaming => Topic started by: odin on April 18, 2003, 12:00:07 PM
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Here's (http://www.gamegirladvance.com/archives/2003/04/16/genderplay_successes_and_failures_in_character_designs_for_videogames.html) a rather interesting article on the perception of females in computer games. I for one agree wholeheartedly with the writer. Whenever I play a game and a female character is presented as 90% breast and 1% brain it ticks me off instantly.
Any other opinions on this?
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Wot is wrong with seeing two perfectly computer generated girls feeding each other strawberries!
I think people need to lighten up.
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Nothing ofcourse, that's also not the point of the author. What she's trying to say (amongst other things) is that sexism can ruin a game if you don't expect it in a game or if it's just placed in the wrong context. Like her example of Baldur's Gate.
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Well.. it's cause game makers expect certaing kind of target audience for their games. (make a guess, what kind)
This issue has been around much longer than computer games have had graphics. Anyone ever played roleplaying games can wittness certain 'twist' in characters shown on those manuals. ;-)
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Itdoesn't bother me, but I don't play that many games. When more womenbother to learn how to code and start writing games instead of just "project managing" then we'll probably see a change in the content of these games. Untl then....... boys will be boys.....
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I note how the presentation of an overtly sexual image of Lara Croft having (gasp!) breasts and such is "gross" whereas (Arcanum) using sex in an insidious and manipulative fashion (as a weapon) is "Brilliant!".
Speaks volumes methinks.
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i think we all know this, however...
two words:
. sex sells!!!
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HEHEHE, I bought a Dreamcast system just for the breast play in Dead or Alive 2 not to mention the upskirt shots also. I think its great that the girls look great, hell, its better than seeing two fat chicks in mini-skirts and thongs with drooping saging breasts and crators in their thighs. Good looking well endowed woman help sell the games too.
not to mention anything in a skirt that flys up looks good for as long as its not a fat chick or a fat man in a kilt! (or any man for that matter)
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:roll:
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WarPiper wrote:
HEHEHE, I bought a Dreamcast system just for the breast play in Dead or Alive 2 not to mention the upskirt shots also. I think its great that the girls look great, hell, its better than seeing two fat chicks in mini-skirts and thongs with drooping saging breasts and crators in their thighs. Good looking well endowed woman help sell the games too.
not to mention anything in a skirt that flys up looks good for as long as its not a fat chick or a fat man in a kilt! (or any man for that matter)
heheheh :-)
we seem to like the same games :-o
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And for the same reason. A game with men I could never hope to look as good well, would sell well in the girls market. She has some good points though. (although Lara Croft was made for 13 year old boys, its made to sell, not to be good, its a mass market game ya' know, and boys were even more dominant in gaming back when it released)
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Marketing as usual. :-)
I mean, take a look at the nVidia site. When you see the "Dawn" demo for the GeForce FX, who do you think the target audience is?
Of course, not even sex can sell the FX, but that's another story...
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What about this:
(http://www.kabukidigital.com/images/amazon/alicebox2.jpg)
does that image appeal to anyone?
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odin offered:
Any other opinions on this?
;-) Personally, I’m all in favor of powerful female characters in video games. One of my favorite games is Capcom’s® Pocket Fighter, and my favorite character from that title is Hsien-ko, a zombie ghost girl with more special moves than any of the other characters.
:-D Now if only Capcom® will write a Pocket Fighter 3-D for the new Amiga One!
(http://www.geocities.com/hentaislave/hsien-ko-puzzle.gif)
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@ iamaboringperson
hehehe, Yea I think we really do like the same games, I love that alice game, (and umm, yea she does kind a apeal to me, in a twisted kinda way).
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I'm sick of "political correctness". Never went for it in the first place. Does that make me a rude ignorant slob?
I'm being who I am.
For the people those games offend "BOYCOTT THEM!!!!!!!!"
It's not like it'll affect sales anyway, as anyone offended, DIDN'T BUY THEM ANYWAY!!
When we program WE MAKE OUR OWN PLACE AND TIME. Too bad for everyone else. If it bothers you, GET LOST!!!
AmigaOne! SW freedom is TRUE freedom!
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Of course they make games with fit girls in them. If they made a game featuring only Mandy Dingle lookalikes nobody would buy it. The characters need to be aspirational for girls and attractive to boys.
Its no different from male game characters always being handsome and muscly. You don't see Solid Snake or Sam Fisher with bald heads and big beer bellies and curry stains on their jumpers.
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Well said atheist. Its political correctness gone mad.
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You don't see Solid Snake or Sam Fisher with bald heads and big beer bellies and curry stains on their jumpers.
Coming to Amiga One soon -
"The Adventures of Fray Bentos Man"
Level 1 - Pie Eating Challenge
Level 2 - Mild/Bitter drinking contest
Level 3 - Darts Challenge
Level 4 - Wife Beating Final
Level 5 - Dole queue ficticuffs
Un-P.C enough for you? :-)
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mdma mused:
Level 1 - Pie Eating Challenge
Level 2 - Mild/Bitter drinking contest
Level 3 - Darts Challenge
Level 4 - Wife Beating Final
Level 5 - Dole queue ficticuffs
;-) Reminds me of "Redneck Rampage" on the PC a few years ago. I never bought it myself, but it seemed like fun, in a Jeff Foxworthy kind of way.
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Redneck Rampage is fantastic!
It's on Kazaa for the naughty people amongst us
you'll need VDMSound too for Windows XP
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Redneck Rampage is fantastic!
It's on Kazaa for the naughty people amongst us
you'll need VDMSound too for Windows XP
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im sure if a game had all blokes it would be much less appealing
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Hey come now, Baldur's Gate is a great game! I am a female myself and personally the emphasis on the breasts on the female characters do not bother me one bit. I recently (around 3 weeks ago) started playing games which are associated with the company known as Wizards of the Coast... Yes I know that this logo is not present on some of the game boxes but Wizards of the Coast is the parent company to Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights. These are Dungeons and Dragons games. Nevertheless, I love all games such as this!
odin wrote:
Nothing ofcourse, that's also not the point of the author. What she's trying to say (amongst other things) is that sexism can ruin a game if you don't expect it in a game or if it's just placed in the wrong context. Like her example of Baldur's Gate.[/quote]
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Holly3278 helloed:
...I am a female myself and personally the emphasis on the breasts on the female characters do not bother me one bit.
:-D Hello, Holly, and welcome to Amiga.org! We need all the lady members we can get. Especially those who share that point of view. Hope that you enjoy your stay.
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Hi odin,
No use getting upset over big breasts and 1% brains, all women are this way until they get married, then they turn big, fat and ugly, and that 1% brain power drops by 3/4 % leaving only 1/4 of their brain left. Now picture this you are enjoying your 90% breast featured game on your Amiga when your wife walks in who is 300% breast and 400% waist (get the picture) and wants you to go to bed with her. Now you remember the days when she was that petite 90% breast and then you turn to her and say I be down in a jiffy soon as I finish this game. OK.
When the sun comes up as you get off your computer to go to bed and your wife is getting out of bed to start her day you think back and say aren't computer games wonderful
Smerf
Look at most single women, they make you smile.
Look at most married women, then try to keep from pukin.
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smerf smirked:
Look at most single women, they make you smile.
Look at most married women, then try to keep from pukin.
:roll: Dude! Don't talk so disrespectfully about married women! I'll wager long odds that your mother is married!
:lol: Unless, of course, you want to gainsay that idea....
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Well, guys all I can say is that I prefer my AMIGA! (http://thendipo.alias.domicile.fr/img_show/espagne/a/gf_g.jpg)
:lol:
Just Bill :-D
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I'm with odin on this one!
Some game companies still think that the average game player is 13 years old, geeky and has never seen a real girl before. The gaming audience changed dramaticly with the Playstation but some developers haven't really understood that. But then again, some older game players still haven't matured past that stage anyway.
It's nice however that Acclaim has found out the hard way with BMX XXX that sex doesn't necessarily sell. Oh, and they're getting sued by Dave Mirra as well for using his name in that crappy game.
I by the way got the beat 'em up game Tao Feng (by Studio Gigante) to review a week ago and they apparently thought that the "bouncing breasts"-feature of Dead or Alive was the most important feature to copy from that game. :-o
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odin wrote:
Here's (http://www.gamegirladvance.com/archives/2003/04/16/genderplay_successes_and_failures_in_character_designs_for_videogames.html) a rather interesting article on the perception of females in computer games. I for one agree wholeheartedly with the writer. Whenever I play a game and a female character is presented as 90% breast and 1% brain it ticks me off instantly.
Any other opinions on this?
And what about the male characters then, aren't quite a lot of them the lone-wolf, steroid-muscles-like-schwarzenegger, no-mercy-badass-attitude kind of guys? ;-)
I'd say that this stereotype perception in actiongames (and movies) is unisex, but in different ways.
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Whenever I play a game and a female character is presented as 90% breast and 1% brain it ticks me off instantly.
As opposed to the 1% brain and 90% moodswings found in normal women? :-)
But seriously, you forget who the target audience for these games is: geeky unpopular teenage males who haven't discovered that females actually think too. (I believe they think, I just don't have any conclusive evidence of it ;-))
Well, anyway I'm living proof that Lara Croft-alikes don't make men sexist and mysogenistic. I was there years ago. :-D
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im interested in what women really want in games?
what they get out of them
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Proof that women think? I don't have a girlfriend. I'm so good at dissing myself.
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Well ... I like tomb Raider style games !!
Not because Lara has the boobs of Jorden and the torso of a wasp ( The bitch) but the gameplay itself... i couldn't care less if it was Sydney Croft !!
My Daughter ( Melissa ) Grew up on "White - Man ( Prince of Persia) and plays GTA III now.