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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: bloodmoney on February 15, 2006, 03:35:16 AM
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In your opinion, what is the best thing to happen to the Amiga? Thought this might make a nice topic with all the negative posts around. :-)
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I think it's the fact that people have worked so hard to keep the Amiga alive and I see it as a sign of how much this computer platform means to some people in the fact that so many people keep coming back to it. Me being one of them. :)
Do I still have my PC? Yes. For many reasons, one being I support PC's for a living and have to keep up with them. But I've had so much fun since I started using Amiga again and using the Amiga Forever software.
So I guess the best thing to happen to the Amiga is the people that use it. Otherwise it would be dead already.
Oh and I include those people that are continuing the work on the OS and the hardware. Keep up the good work!
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I guess a PPC board for the A2000 would be great :lol:
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The best is yet to happen, the eventual official fall of Amiga, then many people can get on with their lives...
;-)
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Well, since the release of the first A1000, I think the best thing to happen to any kind of computer is cheap harddrives. They're sooo much better than floppies...
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It has to be Kickstart / Workbench 2.0 - finally, we were freed from the orange and blue hell that was Workbench 1.3! :-D
- Ali
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I think there should be a really powerful desktop amiga.
Like the A1200, but built in PPC etc.
And it would have to have all sorts of new custom chips to take it to about year 2012 when it currently 2006.
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When all the creative talent emerged onto the scene in the early days and started making those wicked demos!.. 8-) :afro:
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The best thing that COULD happen to the amiga would, as recent dave haynie article (iirc) suggested, to free it from proprietary hardware dependency.
Even if they sold the OS with a hardware key, such as a set of roms or a write-protected fpga-key on a PCI card, so the OS couldn't just be copied - I'd be happy to buy OS4 for £100 for a single installation - as long as I knew I could buy a PPC motherboard and upgrade the CPU whenever I wanted/could afford (drivers allowing).
With respect to the Amy 05 guys - I really look forward to your board, and WILL be buying it (assuming OS4 runs on, and comes with it): if you an guarantee a price and that it will be released I'll pay you £200 upfront RIGHT NOW!!!! But it is still tieing the user ot a fixed, soldered in cpu with no upgrade options, and a 33MHz PCI bus speed.
In terms of the current situation: (politics aside) mediator has to be the best thing to happen to the amiga purely because it gives me:
a 16mb graphics card £5
a soundcard for £5
and a ethernet card £0.50
- all of which I can replace for around a tenner should any or all of them die on me. Given the same situation with a zorro bus, you're looking at a couple of hundred squids on green-board alone, for lower spec stuff.
Second to that poseidon (Thanks Chris Hodges), as it gives me masses of new hardware ot play with at a reasonably good data transfer speed. I use spider - it may be WAY overpriced at £50, but for future applications I think the PCI bus is the way to go, not limiting oneself by having to route data through the (15-year old) motherboard.
I don't like the way they deal with their critics, but I do think Elbox have the right approach when it comes to developing hardware for the classic amiga.
They really should give developer information though to allow other people to develop drivers for the mediator. That sucks: really Elbox - that really, really sucks. Oh, and you're installation programs also suck.
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The best thing to happen to the Amiga: The hundreds (if not thousands) of dedicated programmers who put in all that time and energy to make all the amazing software available - especially the mass of freely available software.
I put my Amiga in my closet in 1991 because I had no software. It would still be in the closet if I didn't find the unbelievable amount of software on Fish disks, then Aminet. My Amiga has had a complete resurrection - something I would have never thought possible.
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For me it has to be Rom's 3.1 with OS3.9, and the Mediator SX.
This has given me a great deal of pleasure compared to any PC that I have built and run.
I simply cant aford OS4.0, so at the moment as my 1200T mobo has gone and died on me I am having to use Amikt V1.04 via an Athlone with Win XP.
So at least I am still running an Amiga,and my 1200T when it was alive was far bettter to use than my Athlon PC.
So is AmiKit.
Rom's 3.1
OS3.9
Mediator
And a good enough Tower case.
Mike.
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Best thing that happened to Amiga in its recent history has got to be the PCI busboards, with the Mediator being on top.
060 accelerators and tower cases are also amongst my top picks. :-D
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To me the best thing that ever happened to the Amiga,,, Jay Miner.
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Trackers!
Newtek Toaster/Flyer
Phase 5 PPC boards
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Minimig and AROS :-)
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The creative atmosphere around it, creating sub-cultures such as the demoscene. It really is a machine whitout laws.
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For me personally, the AmigaOne and OS4.
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The best thing that happened to the Amiga? Commodore.. Otherwise, we would all be using Ataris today.. :-)
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It gave people a powerful computer at good price. Just look at what people in business use to spend on 1 PC in late 80's/early 90's and look diffrance for the price nothing touched Amiga not even Atari ST systems.
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bloodmoney wrote:
In your opinion, what is the best thing to happen to the Amiga? Thought this might make a nice topic with all the negative posts around. :-)
Sliced bread.
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The best thing to happen to the Amiga? Future tense?
Some company picks up the funding of UAE, by going commercial, compatibility and stability reaches an all time high, the core is optimised for hand held devices such as mobile phones etc. and classic Amiga games begin proliferating everywhere. What's more they slap the logo on everything!
The best thing to happen to the Amiga, past tense? I guess it would have to be the A500. Without whom the Amiga would have rotted away as an overpriced, underpowered workstation.
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in which case, the A3000+.
shame they didnt know what they had !
that would've been absolutely monster in 1992 !
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I remember that music: "Burn m*therf*cker burn!" :-D
Amiga as in Amiga Inc.
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Amithlon and UAE.
For giving people like myself a chance to escape crappy slow expensive hardware and run AOS on cheap, fast, available hardware.
So they both cant run OS4, no big loss.
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InTheSand wrote:
It has to be Kickstart / Workbench 2.0 - finally, we were freed from the orange and blue hell that was Workbench 1.3! :-D
- Ali
Yes! And who would have thought that M$ would have ripped it off over a decade later for XP? (or Xtra Problems as I call it) ;-)
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@Savan
So you've not used OS4 on an A1 then...
Slow and Expensive would be A1200 with BlizzardPPC / BVision.
Raw Clock speed is no measure !
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Slow and Expensive would be A1200 with BlizzardPPC / BVision.
Slow and expensive includes the Amigaone, unless nearly 600 quid for a motherboard with out-of-date specs is your idea of cheap.
So you've not used OS4 on an A1 then...
Yes i have and it was very fast, but it does not matter how fast it runs, when the hardware cost so damn much just for the privilege.
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for me it's the excellent and low cost BPPC 060+SCSI with a GREX solution that bring me the best of what an Amiga can give, with very high compatibity from old apps and old games Kick/WB 1.3 up to MorphOS, and may be OS4 if there is a trick to use the Voodoo 3 or the Permedia 2 that I have on it :-D
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The best thing to happen to the Amiga is freeing it from custom hardware (as the AmigaOne has done). I'd like to have all the money I've spent on custom Amiga hardware since I first got my Amiga 1000 back in the '80's. Recently I paid $160 for a crappy little scan-doubler box for my classic Amigas that doesn't even work very well. People whine about losing the custom chips. A new custom chip-set would have to do something more than the zillions of PCI video cards out there. It makes you wonder what that would be and why bother?
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@savan
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Savan wrote:
Slow and Expensive would be A1200 with BlizzardPPC / BVision.
Slow and expensive includes the Amigaone, unless nearly 600 quid for a motherboard with out-of-date specs is your idea of cheap.
I will admit to having never seen a Blizzard in action, but just going on the generation and clock (!) difference between a 603e at ~100MHz and a G3 at 800MHz.
An A1 is expensive, but I wouldnt say slow - it just has lower numbers compared to PC hardware (I'll stick up for meself here by saying that comparing a BPPC and A1 is one thing, but compareing x86 and PPC is quite another)
besides, I didnt factor in the price. If I wanted cheap, I coulda had a Windo$e lap warmer for that price.
and isnt the BPPC the same only more so (re out of date specs, etc).
So you've not used OS4 on an A1 then...
Yes i have and it was very fast, but it does not matter how fast it runs, when the hardware cost so damn much just for the privilege.[/quote]
true, you make a good point, but what else was I gonna run it on, when I didnt want 2nd hand hardware ? I'm afraid I must reiterate the hoary old argument that numbers count, and if Eyetech had been able to run batches of 10k or even 100k the board would have been a lot cheaper. still, not bad for an experimental board!
I finally just got round to installing update 4 - I managed to copy the contents of the install iso image using MountISO - and installed onto the partition recently vacated by update 2. not played so far, but it looks very good - way better than update 3.
I might even venture that Hyperion are one of the better things to happen to Amiga, countering that with The various owners being some of the worst.
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may be OS4 if there is a trick to use the Voodoo 3 or the Permedia 2 that I have on it
AFAIK the Voodoo3 is supported.
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Hi
I think is has to be us, the community. With out us there would be no Amiga today as there would not be the demand for new hardware/software. Also I woul not have got back into Amiga in a big way if I'd not had help form you guys.
Robert
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Savan wrote:
Amithlon and UAE.
Amithlon become a nightmare for its author :-(
(writing from a hell called Portugal)
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I guess I should have said was as in past tence.
Anyway my own feeling are .....
1.Video Toaster, hands down saved Amiga from extinction. and gave the rest of the world a glimps of Amigas power.
2. Amithlon, So what if its x86 there could have been actualy sales capital going in to Amiga, money = good.
A brilliant bit of coding.
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Bill Buck.
After the Escom bankruptcy, while at Viscorp, he kept Amiga from dying by paying Amiga Inc's salaries and tax and prevented the company from being split up and sold off in bits, then a couple of years later helped bPlan to bring the Pegasos to a community starved of hardware.
Not to mention all the work he has done since, and is still doing.