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Title: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: GPT on April 14, 2003, 12:28:51 PM
Some time ago I posted a topic where I argued that I hade seen a x86 processor acting as a 68k processor inside a A600.

But I was wrong, I'm so SORRY :oops:

I got some figures wrong, here's how it is:

It's a Intel PPC processor that act as a 68k processor.
Probably something like coldfire project.

And he got NT 4.?? running on it through a x86 emulator, :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o


I promise you all that this is no joke.
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: olegil on April 14, 2003, 12:40:27 PM
Hopefully not an intel ppc, as intel have never made ppc processors.
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: lorddef on April 14, 2003, 12:41:33 PM
I still find it hard to believe.

Get some photos and post em so we can see it!
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: mikeymike on April 14, 2003, 12:48:04 PM
Even if it were true, what would be the point?

PPC is not 68k.  Microsoft never made a 68k version of NT4.
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: GPT on April 14, 2003, 12:50:41 PM
Well that is what it says on the processor.
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: alx on April 14, 2003, 12:52:33 PM
All this inside am A600?  Some serious overheating problems there :-)  I'd definitely like to see it!
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: whabang on April 14, 2003, 12:55:17 PM
Well, there are MIPS and PPC ports for Windows NT4. Did Intel ever produce MIPS-cpus?
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: lorddef on April 14, 2003, 12:57:04 PM
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GPT wrote:
Well that is what it says on the processor.


You sure someone hasnt just stuck an intel sticker on the 68000 :-D
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: GPT on April 14, 2003, 12:57:38 PM
On the NT 4 workstatiobn CD there is versions for PPC, alpha and x86 processors.

And he used the ppc version to get it running.


The intel processor must be some kind of hybrid like the ColdFire project, as I mention before.


Maybe I have to mention that this was not something that got the chance to be comercial.
It was probably only in some kind of experimental stage.


The purpose of this project was presumably that it would be complatible with 68k processors and that you woulden't need to manufacture new 68k processors to replays broken ones.

Probably for industrial purpos or something similare.
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: on April 14, 2003, 01:28:02 PM
Your 13 days too late mate. It's the 14th of April today! ;-)
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: olegil on April 14, 2003, 02:04:55 PM
Look, if it's the x86 accelerator it isn't even news. I've heard of it before. It could also be ppc, there must be some prototypes for cards that never reached the market (amijoe, anyone?)

But it certainly smegging ISN'T an intel ppc card. I know NT4 works for ppc, I have an RS/6k workstation here that used to run it, but that kinda doesn't change the fact that intel and powerpc in the same sentence does NOT compute. Sorry.
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: bloodline on April 14, 2003, 02:21:18 PM
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olegil wrote:
Look, if it's the x86 accelerator it isn't even news. I've heard of it before. It could also be ppc, there must be some prototypes for cards that never reached the market (amijoe, anyone?)

But it certainly smegging ISN'T an intel ppc card. I know NT4 works for ppc, I have an RS/6k workstation here that used to run it, but that kinda doesn't change the fact that intel and powerpc in the same sentence does NOT compute. Sorry.


Red dwarf overdose?  :-P

And yes, Intel have never bought a licence to make PPC compatible chips, they simply don't need too.

My guess is that Intel chip is probably just a SCSI controler or Flash Rom or something similar. What was the model number?
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: olegil on April 14, 2003, 02:40:05 PM
Heh, Red Dwarf overdose? Me? Never :-)

Saw first 4 seasons (24 episodes) this weekend  :-P
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: bloodline on April 14, 2003, 02:46:44 PM
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olegil wrote:
Heh, Red Dwarf overdose? Me? Never :-)

Saw first 4 seasons (24 episodes) this weekend  :-P


Ha!! Light weight  :-)

5 years ago I watched Series 1 to 5, continously, non stop (Something like 30 episodes). From Friday evening to some time around Saturday afternoon/evening. I don't remember as I was so shattered   :-D
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: Lando on April 14, 2003, 02:56:35 PM
I hope they hurry up and make the Red Dwarf Movie :-) It should be Ace (Rimmer...)
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: MrZammler on April 14, 2003, 03:11:53 PM
@GPT:

If you want to be taken seriously, get a camera and get some photos of the thing running.  

Otherwise, there is no point in insisting that such a beast exists.
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: on April 14, 2003, 03:17:38 PM
Are you sure it wasn't KCS's PowerPC 600 - an add-on 8086 PC card for the A600? Admittedly it wouldn't run Windows NT. I can't think of anything that would execute the WinNT PPC. It's a pain to get working, even on a real IBM PPC clone.

PowerPC 600 (http://www.amiga-hardware.com/kcspower600.html)
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: olegil on April 14, 2003, 03:23:47 PM
Whatcha mean pain to get working? It installs off a CD, all you need is to get ahold of a HAL floppy.

Wasn't difficult for me, anyway
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: MrZammler on April 14, 2003, 03:44:29 PM
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Wasn't difficult for me, anyway


What wasnt difficult? Getting NT to run on a PPC board on an Amiga?
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: PulsatingQuasar on April 14, 2003, 03:57:27 PM
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I promise you all that this is no joke.


What also is no joke is that digital cameras are wide spread these days! So, take a few snaps and post them here.

Until then; [color=FF0000]Bullocks[/color]
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: carls on April 14, 2003, 04:08:27 PM
@mikeymike
There is a PPC Version of NT4.
Admittedly, you can't do much more than booting and maybe run an outdated version of IIS. But still, it exists :)

edit: OOPS, this had already been discussed.

@olegil
What kind of software could you run on NT4 for PPC?
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: bloodline on April 14, 2003, 04:09:00 PM
I've just bought a digital camera Minolta DiMage S414... it's sweet :-) Cost an arm and a leg though
 :boohoo:
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: Crumpster on April 14, 2003, 04:22:29 PM
@ Bloodline

Did the same with series 1 to 6 of Red Dwarf. I'd bought them at a car boot sale (a big yard sale in a field sort of - for our U.S. chums :-) ).

And me and my mates watched all 6 series non-stop. That must of bin 5 years ago, cos we'd just left school (nothing better to do!).

Back on topic:

We've got the NT Disc with multiple versions on it, I did have my own personal copy at one point. God knows why.

If I remember right it was dated 97?, maybe before. We've probably got about a million microshaft CD's here (part of their volume licensing Select agreement crap), and for some reason we seem to have all the ones from 5-6 years back knocking about.

Cheers,
Crumpy
Title: Re: Intel PPC in A600
Post by: on April 14, 2003, 04:49:40 PM
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olegil wrote:
Whatcha mean pain to get working? It installs off a CD, all you need is to get ahold of a HAL floppy.

Wasn't difficult for me, anyway


That was the easy bit. It wasn't exactly automatic though.  It liked to die during installation at various points of the installation.

On second thought, I think it was a dodgy machine. I've just remembered it was replaced a few months later when someone got tired of repairing it.