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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: asian1 on February 01, 2006, 10:32:21 AM
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On the latest chat, ACK had announced that the documentation / information about PowerVixxen LT will be available at the end of January 2006. Now it's February 1st.
Where is the information/documentation about PowerVixxen LT?
Thanks.
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Its all Vapor. It doesnt exist.
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Its all Vapor.
Well, yes. This part is true. We haven't seen anything of it yet.
It doesnt exist.
This you can't say with certainty. From what I know of the parties involved, they have absolutely no reason to make this up. I'm confident it'll appear eventually. And I hope soon, because I want one! :-)
Remember, just about every Amiga-related product for the last 10 years or so has slipped the release date by a fair amount.
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has anyone designing anything for the amiga ever had any reason to make stuff up? not neccisarily but they didnt release anything anyway.
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@ Matt_H
Oh please, do we count peanuts?
Every new hardware for the amiga in the last years we saw prototypes (PowerUP boards, G-Rex, Mediator, even Amiga1 and Pegasos). The PV was announced in 2004 and what did we saw? Right, nothing. Its just some kind of delay for a vapor product so that people won't leave the market. Or why do we got this news in December right after the OS4 Chat? Developing such a board is a pain in the ass. It will take years. Even the developement of the FPGAs on the PowerUP boards needed 2 years. Of course, showing us some pictures is no real proof but at least we can say it exist in some way.
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asian1 wrote:
On the latest chat, ACK had announced that the documentation / information about PowerVixxen LT will be available at the end of January 2006. Now it's February 1st.
Oh man! It's February 2006 and we still don't have Flying cars! I want my flying car dammit!
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@DJBase
Perhaps he could rip-off someone else's work and pass it off as his own?
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@ uncharted
Well, that could be possible of ocurse. Should we better leave it as "nonexistent"?
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Same old Amiga formula.
Announce something non existant
Get praised (usually dancing bananas) for it
Make up a silly release date
Nothing happens and company stays silent
People start to get pissed off and ask questions
Defenders come out to defend magical product and call people trolls
Company stays silent
Defenders starts to recommend magical product to people who ask questions about OS4 hardware
Company comes out and makes another silly release comment
On and on and on like a broken record.
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@uncharted
You can order one here http://www.moller.com/
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DJBase wrote:
Developing such a board is a pain in the ass. It will take years. Even the developement of the FPGAs on the PowerUP boards needed 2 years.
yes this is the usually or this what we use to see in amiga scene all these years, but guys these asian companies who can produce amazing mobos with all the good and new technology stuff, every 3-6 months they bring new models and ''we'' in amiga can't do at least one that works ok with no probs? finaly, why amiga inc have to beg every eyetech and don't apply the job to an asian manufacture? the result would be quicker, cheaper and more stable as i see it from this point of view...
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i gues we could at leased wait on month overdue before we call the whole thing wapor and non existent, altho i cant prove you right or wrong i just have to big hopes i gues
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Savan wrote:
On and on and on like a broken record.
I love irony.
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adonay wrote:
i gues we could at leased wait on month overdue before we call the whole thing wapor and non existent, altho i cant prove you right or wrong i just have to big hopes i gues
It is already a year overdue. It was announced in December 2004 that the prototype cards were already finished and running Linux, and ready to go into production for a consumer release in Q1 last year.
I just find it slightly strange that the cards have been completed and working for over a year and there still hasn't been so much as a photograph shown. Not that a photograph means anything (we've all seen photos of SharkPPC, BoXer, AmiJoe, Dragon et al) but at least it proves the thing exists in some form.
I'd have liked to have seen at least a little video of the board plugged inside an A1200 and booting into Linux, as they have apparently been doing for 14 months or so now.
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nitro wrote>
@uncharted
You can order one here http://www.moller.com/
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haha!!! nice! :-D ive seen skycars before and i didnt even think of it.
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i gues we could at leased wait on month overdue before we call the whole thing wapor and non existent, altho i cant prove you right or wrong i just have to big hopes i gues
Correct me if I am wrong but in 2004 it was told the PV is already running Linux and will be available in the 1st quarter of 2005. Now we have 1st quarter of 2006 and there is still nothing.
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Yup. Gotta admit - there is a rather strong smell of shyte surrounding
this PowerVixxen thing.
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@DJBase
That's a fair comment, however you have this site:
http://dragon.amigaworld.de/
Why is one bit of "Vapourware" definately not existing according to you, and yet one with a similar track record is worth creating a support site for?
It's a bit inconsistant isn't it?
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we have seen and heard a heck of a lot more about minimig than powervixen
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@ uncharted
At least we saw some pictures dont we? But the DRAGON is not the topic.
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DJBase wrote:
@ uncharted
At least we saw some pictures dont we? But the DRAGON is not the topic.
And? We saw pictures of the Shark, does that stop that being vapour. I've seen the original AmigaOne-A1200 in the flesh, but that's a vapourous as they come.
I'm just wondering why you favour one vapour project over another by such degrees of magnitude. Especially when you are so adamant that the PV is some kind of conspiracy.
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And? We saw pictures of the Shark, does that stop that being vapour. I've seen the original AmigaOne-A1200 in the flesh, but that's a vapourous as they come
I'm just wondering why you favour one vapour project over another by such degrees of magnitude. Especially when you are so adamant that the PV is some kind of conspiracy.
Why do you think I do favour one of these products? Because I did sime kind of webpages for one of them? Both are vapor for me but one of them seems to be real in some kind. Thats a different for me. Do you have anything to show us that the PV is real? No? Why bother me then?
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Why it's installed in Elvis's Walker 2 of course... :-D
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Maybe someone should ask Martin Steinbach :)
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@DJBase
The reason why I'm calling you out on this is because you seem to be so vocal in your denouncement of the PV. You state that it doesn't exist as fact, when really you're just as clueless as the rest of us.
Creating a webpage takes time and effort. A whiff of hypocracy is in the air.
Is this because the PV is related to OS4 and Dragon is not?
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The reason why I'm calling you out on this is because you seem to be so vocal in your denouncement of the PV. You state that it doesn't exist as fact, when really you're just as clueless as the rest of us.
Can you give me any reason or proof that its not? ACK is unable since over 1 year to show us just a simple picture (rememver, he said the PV is running Linux since 2004). No doubt, I would be really happy if this card will be real some day as I wanted to buy it but for now its just a dream.
Creating a webpage takes time and effort. A whiff of hypocracy is in the air.
I am really sorry that I had time to do that DRAGON page. I have no problems to make a page for the PV too. I just have no time at the moment and I need some sign that it is real.
Is this because the PV is related to OS4 and Dragon is not?
Ah, now I understand the reason. You don't have to talk any further. Seems you have really some problems in your life.
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Until we can buy it, I don't think the Dragon is any less vapour than the PV, but at least
1. We have seen pictures of the Dragon and know that it actually exists.
2. Elbox have a proven track record in producing Amiga hardware going back years.
Neither of the above apply to ACK / PowerVixxen.
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@by DJBase on 2006/2/2 11:52:46
I still waiting for your email for the RKM books I bought and payed from you in december 2005.
Where are my RKM books, you got my money !
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@ALL
Could it not just simply be that the cause of the late estiamted release date for the PV be down to the fact that they are also having to create MiniPCI grfx cards?
It could also be down to a delay in getting shipments of chips and other parts which is no fault of there own when you consider a request for "500" chips compared to an order for 10x that much!!
Please can everyone stop these tired posts as they are wearing abit thin.
AmiBoy
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Sig says it all...
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@ AmiBoy
Do you have more excuses for us? Its really funny to read.
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The initial design was based on the Freescale's integrated host processor MPC8245 where the core is a MPC603e PowerPC cpu. Due to time passing on, Freescale presented the successor MPC5200 with a core at 400Mhz that will deliver 760 MIPS and only consuming 1W. The chip has besides integrated DMA-controller and DDR-memory controller also 100Mbit Ethernet and USB 1.1. Later versions of the card will be using the 466Mhz version of the CPU, that will deliver amply 880MIPS.
Taken from here. (http://safir.amigaos.se/article_ack_eng.html)
Thats at least one reason for delay. This is the same chip used by Genesi Efika board.
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@DJbase or Matthias Munich
Why don't YOU make excuses to ME ?
I paid you a lot of money, but YOU refuse to send me the Rom Kernel Manuals...
And why don't you just mail me in private ?
Do I have to write comments in every Amiga forum where I read your posts ??? People don't appriciate that, but you don't leave me no choice...
:-x :-x :-x
I'm waiting....
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AmiBoy wrote:
@ALL
Could it not just simply be that the cause of the late estiamted release date for the PV be down to the fact that they are also having to create MiniPCI grfx cards?
It could also be down to a delay in getting shipments of chips and other parts which is no fault of there own when you consider a request for "500" chips compared to an order for 10x that much!!
Please can everyone stop these tired posts as they are wearing abit thin.
AmiBoy
It could also be that they were unable to even take a photograph of the prototype boards, which have been running Linux since 2004, because their digital camera was stolen by aliens and while trying to retrieve it they were kidnapped and beamed aboard the aliens' spaceship where they suffered horrible tests before being dumped back to Earth in the Himalayas near the Tibetan border where they were attacked by mountain goats.
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Re: Where is PowerVixxen LT?
I heard Bin Laden has got one.....
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DJBase wrote:
Its all Vapor. It doesnt exist.
Then please tell us where you got this info from. Or are you only trolling?
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amije wrote:
DJBase wrote:
Developing such a board is a pain in the ass. It will take years. Even the developement of the FPGAs on the PowerUP boards needed 2 years.
yes this is the usually or this what we use to see in amiga scene all these years, but guys these asian companies who can produce amazing mobos with all the good and new technology stuff, every 3-6 months they bring new models and ''we'' in amiga can't do at least one that works ok with no probs? finaly, why amiga inc have to beg every eyetech and don't apply the job to an asian manufacture? the result would be quicker, cheaper and more stable as i see it from this point of view...
Do you really think that AmigaINC has the funding for this?? With the amigaone, amiga inc didnt have to pay a crap for production.