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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: tonyvdb on January 30, 2006, 04:06:10 AM
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Ok, Im about to install a Cyberstorm PPC into my Amiga 4000D I already have an IDE 4gig drive in it but once I have my Cyberstorm I will be using the SCSI and installing a 9gig drive.
I have a 4000Toaster Flyer system already running and I will be reinstalling it onto the SCSI drive. My main question is do I upgrade to OS3.5 or should I just leave it at 3.1
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for the life of me i can't understand why anyone wouldn't upgrade to 3.9
without any change to HW my system ran faster and better. period.
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Ahh yes... Amiga OS 3.9...
Firstly I prefer the name WORKBENCH... secondly, you pay 50GBP to have your machine reset itself every time you switch it on, delay SCSI initialisation by 10 seconds, be incompatible with a lot of your favourite patches and tools, be an arse with your hardware and ooooh...
I need my pills.
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DITTO with OS 3.9... Can anyone say, "BOING?" :-D
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AmigaOS 3.9 is a must have if you have any Amiga with a 68030+ and 4MB+ Fast. Period.
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. . . W . . . H . . . Y . . . ?
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why? why?
if you have the hardware, install 0s3.9 . period. the updates are too crucial. unless you just play games.
and in the case of a ppc accel it is silly not to have 3.9...
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I just moved from 3.9 back to good old trusty 3.1, was just to much stuff I didn't need. However if your reason for not liking 3.9 is that it reboots you should get blizkick which makes the romupdates resident. It's an excellent tool and will also give you KingCON if you boot without startup-sequence.
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I have 3.9 installed mainly to use larger drives on machines with fast scsi controllers and at least a 68040, though this can be done on 3.1 w/ TD64. On anything less than a 68040, 3.1 is fine and you can do everything 3.9 lets you do without bogging down. This is especially true if you have a machine w/ 3.0 roms and don't want to upgrade, you can still get rtg, etc. w/o 3.9.
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Upgrading to either OS3.5 or OS3.9 is a matter of choice. Neither one in my opinion (and I know it goes against the grain of many here) is a significant upgrade from OS3.1 *because* most of what the two updated OS's offer is available as patches for WB3.1. (example CDFS, CDPlayer, MUI, BOOPSI, GADTOOLS, MPEG Player, updated libraries and datatypes, etc..). While I do not entirely agree, it has been argued by many that both upgrades are really nothing more then a bundling of the updates for WB3.1 with a little "cleanup". I have used both OS3.5 and OS3.9 and have always gone back to WB3.1 and don't miss anything from either upgrade.. but that is me.
If you must upgrade then please bypass OS3.5 completely and go with OS3.9 as it is much more stable and more of a "finished" product in my opinion. I do agree that if you have an accelerated AMIGA (anything with an 060 or PPC) then upgrading to OS3.9 is a reasonable choice (although there are plenty of tools to let the '060 work just fine with WB3.1).
Regards,
Ltstanfo
PS: I have a C= A4000T with VT/VF, TBC2, WarpEngine 4040, Multiface III and Ameristar 4066.
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is there very much in 3.5 or 3.9 that cant be downloaded from aminet or elsewhere? from what i understand amiga in a box has most of what 3.5 has for free for winuae and all of that can be downloaded seperately. hard drive tools are all available and so is the internet stuff.
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Keep 3.1 for your Toaster/Flyer system as NewTek didn't officially support os versions beyond 3.1. Although I had not run into any problems upgrading to 3.5 on my A3000Tower/Toaster system (before it died an unexplainable death), it would be IMHO, better to stay at 3.1
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In my opinion, most if not all of what OS3.5 and OS3.9 has to offer can be downloaded / patched into WB3.1 if you look for it. Some products were commercial and are likely in very short supply now as the developers no longer support AMIGA but I have yet to run into any situation on my AMIGA that required me to use OS3.9 because a similar items was not available for WB3.1. Others might have a different experience.
Regards,
Ltstanfo
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Thanks for the info,
Decisions, decisions...I have OS 3.5 but just do not want to start having problems with rebooting and crashing of the system. OS 3.1 has always run smooth for me and I have never updated anything from the original install years ago.
I will just have to partition my new SCSI drive into smaller sections so I can use it with 3.1 as from what I remember 3.1 dosent see larger then about 800mb drives.
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Well, if you've already got 3.5, you might as well try it. Why don't you make 2 bootable partitions - one with 3.5, one with 3.1. Then you can compare and decide for yourself (that's what I did - and decided I like 3.1). Since you have PPC, maybe 3.5 will be better for you.
I will just have to partition my new SCSI drive into smaller sections so I can use it with 3.1 as from what I remember 3.1 dosent see larger then about 800mb drives.
No, 3.1 can use the first 4Gb with 2Gb max. per partition. If you decide you like 3.1 better, you can always use a utility to extract the 3.5 scsi.device and use it with 3.1 to be able to access partitions beyond 4Gb.
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Hmmmm, I did not know you could have two different OS's installed. I think this is getting a bit more complicated then I want it to be as I do not know how to do this. I do not want to reformat my old drive as there are many files that I need to keep for when I reinstall the toaster onto the new SCSI.
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It's not a problem. With your new hdd, create two bootable partitions, give them a different boot priority, and install Workbench 3.1 on one, and OS3.5 on the other.
At a time I had 4 boot partitions myself.
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You dont need 3.5/3.9 to use large harddrives. A TD64/NSD-compatible controller in combination with a TD64/NSD-aware filesystem, like SFS, will work like a charm under 3.1.
/Patrik
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Stick with 3.1 if it runs alright for you, i only installed 3.9 because it was free. 3.5 & 3.9 look like someone went crazy on Aminet and downloaded a load of stuff to make it look pretty and a few system files updated here and there.
The only positive thing i can say about 3.5/3.9 is, it is better to install from scratch than 3.1.
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Hi,
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"i only installed 3.9 because it was free."
Lucky you, did you win it as a prize ?
Regards, Michael
aka rockape
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Isn't having two seperate partitions with two seperate Workbench revisions a little complicated? I mean if you have another partition with your Wordworth or another with your emulators... what OS partition do they look into for C: Libs: MUI: etc.?
They'd be looking in SYS: and could be loading the wrong library or even not finding it at all!
Also, I could never work out why my A1200 was shipped with 2x 3.0 ROMs and a CD32 of the same era was shipped with 1x 3.1 ROM.
Maybe Leirbag28/CD32Freak could shed some light...
:-)
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You could do this to make two Bootable OS. Install 3.1 on one partition, and 3.5 or 3.9 on another. use HTToolBox to make one bootable and the other not, then if you want to boot from the other make the other one bootable and the original not!
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Way to complicated. Different priorities in boot priority will enable you to just the same; just select your boot drive from in the early boot menu.
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...use HTToolBox to make one bootable and the other not, then if you want to boot from the other make the other one bootable and the original not!
That's a little tedious. I had both bootable and gave my main one higher boot priority. Then when I wanted to boot from the other, I selected it from the early startup menu.
Isn't having two seperate partitions with two seperate Workbench revisions a little complicated? I mean if you have another partition with your Wordworth or another with your emulators... what OS partition do they look into for C: Libs: MUI: etc.?
It can get complicated, but you just have to make sure the needed files are in both partitions (SnoopDOS can be vital!). I had MUI on my Work partition, so that wasn't a problem. For paths, I used SYS: instead of the volume name so there wasn't a confusion over where it was looking for libs, etc. and so I could disable one partition without it saying insert volume xxxx:
I really didn't have many problems having 2 boot partitions. Probably my #1 problem was the annoying double boot in 3.9 which sometimes caused it to boot back in to 3.1 - causing me to have to select it twice in the early startup menu.
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Wouldn't it be better all round to get a hot swap caddy for the 5.25" drive bay?
Another thought would be this - how many PC users do you think spend most of their time working on AmigaOS emulated through WinUAE?
I've heard also that you can run UAE on a Sony PSP handheld - if so has anyone here got info? There's something odd on eBay right now:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PSP-Value-Pack-1-Giga-ProDuo-Amiga-C64-Spiele-Games_W0QQitemZ8756716816QQcategoryZ100824QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem