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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: FarQuad on April 13, 2003, 04:26:12 PM
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For anyone interested (anyone? Bueller? Bueller?), Week 5 of the "Fleecy Fluff Weekly" is now online at AmigaWorld.
I find it most interesting that his ego is so large he can make bold statements which suggest "if you don't take my words as gospel, you will fail" in question one.
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His "news" is posted. People can discuss it. Despite his rambling, the people decide what is news here, and the vast majority don't consider a weekly q&a session news every single week.
Worthy of a forum post? Sure. He always says something that needs to be discussed. It's not even necessarily what he says that disqualifies it as a news item, it's the frequency.
For example, if he put out a press release tomorrow, it would be posted as a news item. A weekly column on another site where he doesn't really say anything except veiled insults, hidden agendas, and failed coup attempts is not.
Keep in mind that I have zero against either AmigaWorld or DaveyD. We get along fine, so this is not an "Amiga.org versus AmigaWorld" issue, no matter what Fleecy and others might want to push. Don't buy into it, because it only helps further their agenda.
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YATWTSN :-o
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YATWTSN
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I for one am impressed by the way that fleecy manages to say NOTHING with so many words.
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@Wayne
Yet Another Ten Ways To Say Nothing :-P
@z5
Right on :-D
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@z5
I'll have to agree with FarQuad that the only thing he's actually said in 5 weeks that I consider even remotely interesting is how delicately and smoothly he put "if you don't consider what I say to be important enough to give center stage, you will fail".
I hate to say this, but he'd probably make one hell of a politician.
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I'll have to agree with FarQuad that the only thing he's actually said in 5 weeks that I consider even remotely interesting is how delicately and smoothly he put "if you don't consider what I say to be important enough to give center stage, you will fail"
I guess I need a new pair of glasses or something. As many times as I've read that article, I can't find anything that suggests such a thing.
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@madgun
answer 1, question 1.
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Weird. And I was just saying on another site that he answered
that potential flame-bomb that is question 1 absolutely
beautifully, and that it would take a very thin hide indeed to
find any offence in his reply. Goes to show what a difference
in attitude makes to interpretation of the same text.
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SlimJim
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Hi Wayne
I understand why you feel the way you do. This Q+A sucks! Well, at least we here something from Ainc! Hyperion have been cool on this site with posts.. I can believe the questions - what a joke it was with the OS5 questions - are you #@!@$% kidding me? They dont even have an Alpha os4 for Aone nevermind OS5... Its funny how some Amiga zealots defend Ainc. Half the questions he answers are "not my department"' bullshit answers like he doesnt know whats going on when he's a principle in the company. He's like Ollie "Fleecy" North.
Maybe I'm being hard on him - but he disclaims it himself when he says he has to speak like a "lawyer" He's a nice enough guy in person. There is so much heat on him - its like he's a Pentagon spokesperson - you dont know what to believe.
realize
:-(
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I find it facinating, Fleecy, being Amiga's CTO, does not even know if his company has any rights to the Amiga technology.
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The way I took A1Q1 was that he almost as much as agreed with Wayne that his answers are not necessarily news worthy. He basically said "It's not up to me to decide whether or not what I have to say is news. That's up to the editors." In this case, Wayne qualifies as Editor-in-Chief of Amiga.org.
As to whether or not he knows some particular thing, I think it is far wiser—not to mention more humble—to beg off and make certain about an answer rather than spouting off and inserting foot A into mouth B.
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SlimJim wrote:
Weird. And I was just saying on another site that he answered that potential flame-bomb that is question 1 absolutely beautifully, and that it would take a very thin hide indeed to find any offence in his reply. Goes to show what a difference in attitude makes to interpretation of the same text.
Point of order. I don't take offense at all to Fleecy's stance. Fleecy is welcome to think anything he likes, any where he likes. I fully understand his hidden agenda and what he is trying to accomplish with these weekly questions and "answers" sessions.
I agree with Downix though, and it's a brilliant point. For the CTO of a company -- The one person responsible for all technological decisions and direction -- not to be able to speak authoritatively and instantly on a simple, basic question as to whether or not the company actually owns a CORE piece of IP is worth a great, giant guffaw, regardless of whether "discretion is the better part of valor".
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Rats ... now I have to go see what you guys are talking about. ;-)
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redfox wrote:
Rats ... now I have to go see what you guys are talking about. ;-)
Arrrrrrghhhhhhh.......
Mike's masterplan worked :-P
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redfox wrote:
Rats ... now I have to go see what you guys are talking about. ;-)
That's the main purpose with this whole thing you know ...
:-( :-x
(BTW, this is quite funny in a tragic way. Still no news from Amiga Inc. But they make the "no news" exclusive to that other site! (for the above reason) What's next? Selling some other exclusive "no news" to paying subscribers for 50 bucks? :-P).
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downix wrote:
I find it facinating, Fleecy, being Amiga's CTO, does not even know if his company has any rights to the Amiga technology.
Has he said whether he's talking for himself of for Amiga Inc yet?
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(BTW, this is quite funny in a tragic way. Still no news from Amiga Inc. But they make the "no news" exclusive to that other site! (for the above reason) What's next? Selling some other exclusive "no news" to paying subscribers for 50 bucks? ).
At least the contents of the CAM is beginning to be released to
non club members as promised.
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SlimJim
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Questions 1 and 3 :-) those Q&A`s are just a complete joke which get worse week after week and i really wonder how anyone would even take Fleecy seriously.
Amiga Inc - So the world may know were amateurs
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he reminds me of an politician... Twisting the answers...
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I don't like using quotes but...
Amiga Inc - So the world may know were amateurs
A bit harsh in my eyes. It's threads, FUDs, complaints & general bad mouthing like this & the bulk of this thread that have made AInc, Hyperion, Eyetech (& maybe even a couple of developers that are working away in the background for the future) chose the "it's best we don't say anything" option in the first place.
They're all right, nobody is happy when they speak, nobody is happy when they don't.
I boot up my Amiga roughly every day & head straight for news pages for what I want to see. I haven't yet. I still read but get on with things until the next time I check. No stressin, flamin, FUDin or whatever, because IT DOESN'T MATTER.
If a new Amiga never surfaces what will I do? Nothing.
If one does, what will I do? Buy one.
It really IS that simple. The ONLY people who will lose out are the companies above or the individuals that are DIRECTLY (Sorry for all this shoutin) funding &/or developing for these projects (A1, OS4, OS5 & any in betweens that may come) not us. Not the end users.
Don't get me wrong, I know this is a forum for Amiga talk & anything that may (or may not) be related but do me a favour please & stop going over the SAME ground. It's getting us nowhere. It's not changing what AInc & Co have to do BEFORE we see the end result is it? Oh, & it's very slightly beginning to grate on my nerves.
Thank you for your time, FuZion.
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by FuZion on 2003/4/13 19:44:10
A bit harsh in my eyes. It's threads, FUDs, complaints & general bad mouthing like this & the bulk of this thread that have made AInc, Hyperion, Eyetech (& maybe even a couple of developers that are working away in the background for the future) chose the "it's best we don't say anything" option in the first place.
Is that a bad thing really? I for one am quiet tired of the lies, the FUD, hyperspin coming from Amiga Inc which many of us call Amiga Inc on the carpet for doing so. I rather not hear a damn thing from them until there is something real and concrete happening just prior to any announcement (ie product is out the door and then hype it). Of course, that means a quiet tomb, but sounds of silence, IMO, is perferred over their FUD, lies, hyperspin of vapor products.
Dammy
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@Dammy
1) no one is forcing you to read the Q&A or even this thread about the Q&A.
point me to the lies in the Q&A pls.
2)sounds of silence leads to rumroms & you your self have taken part in the rumors.
So make up your mind what you want.
So the next round of of Amiga.inc are quiet they must of gone bust.
You will step in & say no no they are quite cos we the community told them to be.
The Q&A dont bother me either way.
I dont ask any questions in the Q&A as all i care for is the finished product like most do.
But i dont go on & on about it every day every time Amiga.inc speak.
As the guy above said the consistant moaning is getting boreing.
Thread after thread moan moan moan.
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> Questions 1 and 3 :-) those Q&A`s are just a
> complete joke which get worse week after week > and i really wonder how anyone would even take >Fleecy seriously.
You haven't read 5,7, and 9 yet, have you?
:-P
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@SlimJim
Weird. And I was just saying on another site that he answered that potential flame-bomb that is question 1 absolutely beautifully, and that it would take a very thin hide indeed to find any offence in his reply. Goes to show what a difference in attitude makes to interpretation of the same text.
Spot on, its all about your attitude towards amiga inc. If you have a chip on your shoulder about them then your will go out of your way to bitch about the smallest things and try to put a bad spin on it. I havent even read the questions yet, and im not a big fan of a-inc (i like hyperion thou) but im pretty sure that the whining is probably about something quite trivial as usual. Makes for a good read, and it reflects badly on the people doing it more than it does on a-inc ( i dont think they realise this) so it doesnt really bother me, its more like a bad tv sitcom these days.
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well, I agree this isn't news anymore, but I did think it was news the first couple of weeks, just the shock value of some communication from AI.
You know, regular CAM's...& these Q&A's are a whole 5 weeks of an initiative without a change in direction.
WOW, what are they smoking? It is a different Amiga, Inc....if they start producing results, including, as an absolute requirement.... all coupon owners and partypack ppl getting their refunds as expected....then I will have to re-evaluate this operation.
LOL, I don't think thats going to happen though....what would they produce, OS 4???
And what is going to give them the money to meet their promises...sales of AmigaONE.....
well its a nice thought, lets hope...
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What are they smoking indeed...that would be
a pretty damn good 'ask fleecy', actually.
Fortunately I think Hyperion will pull through
with a good product...I think they're a
decent group.
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Actually if it was not Fleecy saying that about Wayne and it was
say Wayne saying this about Fleecy in a similar indirect reference
you would all be applauding him.
It was well said, although I have to say that I agree that after the first
time its newsworthy had diminished.
I also don't think I have learned much from the answers, if anything.
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I wish we had product available so that at least we could argue about something, rather than nothing.
No-one is covering themselves with glory in the "Amiga" community anymore. How the mighty is fallen.
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No need to over-egg the pudding, the mighty "Amiga community" fell in about 1995. There is hope when AOS4 comes out but thats it.
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duplicate post.
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What is with all the moaning that is still going on about these weekly Q&As?
Sure, the answers might be pretty empty sometimes, but I don't see why people get so uppity about it all.
Fleecy agreed that it wasn't news in Q1, and yet people STILL jump all over it. I thought it was a well handled answer that was trying very hard to not offend anyone.
It is only a weekly Q&A ... on another site. Maybe that is the core issue?
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@T_Bone
You haven't read 5,7, and 9 yet, have you?
Yeah read all ten Q&As and have to give credit to Fleecy for writing those funny replies.
He can surely talk the talk but cannot walk the walk.
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I don't get it.
If you don't like what Fleecy writes, don't read what he writes.
If you don't like what Amiga Inc have (or haven't) done, don't support them.
But why do people continually write the same bitchy comments over and over again?
I just don't get it.
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amimonkey wrote:
I don't get it.
If you don't like what Fleecy writes, don't read what he writes.
If you don't like what Amiga Inc have (or haven't) done, don't support them.
But why do people continually write the same bitchy comments over and over again?
I just don't get it.
Because it makes them feel good? You obviously fail to see this from a fanatics perspective (oooh, am I going to get flamed now, or what? :-P ). Seriously, people. Get a life. I do NOT see the point in discussing the newsworthyness of this. The only reason I even _read_ the frelling Q&A sessions is because the constant whining makes me curious as to what the fuss is about.
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@amimonkey
hey, going off your handle, perhaps you belong over at Amiga Monkey (http://www.amigamonkey.com) ;-)
But why do people continually write the same bitchy comments over and over again?
I find it ironic that they harp on the lack of progress, but the level of arguments they use to sling mud on a-inc/hyperion/eyetech have evolved even less! regurgitating the same old argument isnt the right answer to hearing the same old news.
People, you simply sound stupid now, so keep it up, its rather entertaining, and when os4 is released your either going to sound confidently smart, or more likely, like utterly freaking morons. Unfortunately that view will probably be stuck on the systems you support as well...
I wouldnt mind seeing a Q&A with hyperion. Would be of more benifit to me i reckon as id like to know more technical details about os4. I do enjoy hearing some news from fleecy thou. btw, when i read this Q&A i left with more info than i started with. Plain and simple. So of the people saying that there no answers in there, perhaps you need to read a little closer, or pull the stick out of your ass' before reading it next time...
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hey, going off your handle, perhaps you belong over at Amiga Monkey ;-)
heh... maybe I do! :-D
I wouldnt mind seeing a Q&A with hyperion
Me neither, and some in-depth explanations of the new modules of OS4 that are already working would be good as well! However, I think Hyperion know that whatever they say, or whatever they have done on OS4, they will be slated for it.
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@olegil
if our posting a response to the Q&A displays that we don't 'have a life'...then what do you think your posting a response to the responses signifies?
Oh crud, and now I have respnoded to the response about the response....
well I never claimed to have a life, so I'm safe, what about you?
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@Hattig,
It is only a weekly Q&A ... on another site. Maybe that is the core issue?
I wonder how close you're hitting on that one too :)
Seriously, I agree it's just a [beeping] Q&A, I guess that guy on OSNews was right- at this state the Amiga community is in bad shape.
As another poster said too
"We, really, really, need new products!" :)
Zoltan
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We are all just a bunch of UNDEAD Amigans yearning to go into the light (AOS4)! :-D
Loki :-P
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"if you don't consider what I say to be important enough to give center stage, you will fail"- I guess I need a new pair of glasses or something. As many times as I've read that article, I can't find anything that suggests such a thing.
@Madgun68,
You're not the only one :)
I don't think anyone's going to fail becasue they didn't link to a Q&A session either.
What I don't get is this- we're all Amiga fans here so if Amiga wins, we win. Who would fail? Microsoft? Linux? the guys with AtariST's in their basements?
"Freedom of speech means the freedom to hear things you don't agree with."
Zoltan
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Why do people bad mouth Fleecy & Amiga Inc? Theft and lies don't count? Ok you don't like my terms. Incompentance and misleading statements. What else? Let's see.. Attempting to smear the good name of one of the biggest Amiga fan sites?
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Some of the answers are definitely too vague, but others are pretty interesting. I'd much rather this happened than A inc stayed silent. The only thing they can to do to stop many people's disbelief is release a product, but the Q&As give some insight.
It's not newsworthy now though - happens to regularly.
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At least the contents of the CAM is beginning to be released to
non club members as promised.
Yes, the "paid for press releases." ;-)
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What the! On the home page the is a news article about a web site that has an icon that sort of looks like a boing ball, and you say this isnt news worthy?
Any excuse you use to say a Q&A with someone high up from amiga-inc is not news worthy is just that, an excuse! perhaps it really is just because its on amigaworld.net. Am i questioning your motives? hell yes i am...
So, try and explain to me exactly where you draw the line on what a news item is. I dont think theres any chance of justifying this one. Of course you can go and remove the news item now and explain it of as an oversight.
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A newsitem had to be "news" by telling something that is "new"
to the readers.
Neither the fact that fleecy answers 10 question is news nor
so the answers themselve contain anything "new" ...
A.org has had the "look it looks like Amiga"-funnies from
day one, but sofar I haven't seen any routine-news here.
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@kronos
Excuse. and not a very convincing at that. To prove me wrong you will need to tell me that you new EVERY SINGLE ANSWER to all 10 questions beforehand. i didnt think so. Even if you did, i didnt, and i doubt many people did, As you would have already read in a previous post of mine in this very thread i came away with more information than i started with by reading the Q&A. ie, it was *new* to me. Hence by *your own* standard it is news.
But so nice of *you* to determine what *i* find interesting. You'll have to do better than that...
By the way, you will notice i havent posted this in the replies to the news item, as i dont feel i need to join the ranks of whining tossers and spoil someone else's otherwise enjoying read by polluting it with sarcasm and insults, which you will notice entered this thread long before i did. Oh, and another thing kronos, i didnt say that the look-a-like funnies was not news worthy, i implied that the Q&A is more newsworthy and i stand by it. Unlike others here, just because i dont find a particular topic interesting doesnt mean i need to feel threatened, spew crap and try ang get it removed as a news item. I dont find DE or MS related topic interesting, but its very rare that i would try and have them removed.
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@teo,
It's really rather pointless to argue here.
Please keep in mind that this was the entire staff's decision, not just mine. It was also supported by a majority of those who felt strongly enough to post a comment in the last news post item.
The fact is simple. The site's active majority voiced the opinion that the weekly -- or biweekly possibly -- questions and answer sessions with Fleecy are simply not considered "news" items any more. They are not banned from the forum discussion, as a matter of fact, this is where I tried to recommend that they be placed so that they could be discussed by all (as they should be).
As I have stated numerous times (but everyone likes ignoring what I actually say) this doesn't have a whole lot to do with what he says, it's the fact that he is interviewed so regularly.
How would you like it if someone sent you an e-mail every single Sunday reminding you to brush your teeth? Brushing your teeth is something you already know to do, and the e-mails would soon be ignored and lose importance.
Similarly, most of the active members here feel that they already know the answers to the questions that Fleecy is answering, so it loses importance after the first FIVE WEEKS or so. If the majority felt he was giving real, non-"marketing babble" answers to real (non-"cherry picked") questions, that would be different. As with anything "Amiga", your mileage may vary.
Such regular interviews make this much more of a free advertising issue and further the barely hidden agenda of Fleecy, Mike Bouma, and Luca Diana to "rid the world of the nuisance that has become Amiga.org". (direct quote)
As I have stated, and you have all ignored, I don't have anything against either DaveyD or AmigaWorld.net. That is to say except for the fact that specific members there are being used as Amiga Inc's personal propoganda machine. That's their choice and I'd never wish to interfere, but at the same time, I feel no compulsion to actively support such activity.
On a personal level, I do not feel that blind support of a product or company (any company, even Tivo) is helpful for the community, nor does it help solicit new sales if that product ever gets released.
As you see now, "blind faith" has turned a large part of this community into angry skeptics. If you want to know why this has happened, look no farther than Amiga Inc's mis-management of community relations. In my experience, as well as my opinion, had Amiga Inc come out and actually made an effort to make us feel like we were an important, active part of things, we would not be in this mess right now where Amiga sites feel like they end up competing for the crumbs on the floor. That would have cost Amiga Inc nothing, and saved them everything.
Considering that the community is the only thing I have ever cared about in this situation, if you think I can ever overlook their actions and "forgive" them for the harm they've caused, you're sadly mistaken.
... but I digress. The subject was whether or not Fleecy's weekly interview is to be considered a "news" item on this site. The answer is no.
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Desmon wrote:
Q. Why hasn't Amiga.inc stepped into the Amithlon/Umilator argument and taken on the distribution themselves? Surely the biggest money spinner in recent Amiga history deserves not to be flushed down the toilet.
That is such a great question Desmon asked, how Amiga Inc could have let such a great best seller product go to the grave without even fighting for it is just stupid, but then again were not talking about a professional company.
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@wayne
> It's really rather pointless to argue here.
Indeed it is, however my resolve is to let people know that the worst thing about this community... is this community. To be honest, getting the Q&A in the news section doesnt really rate on my care-o-meter that much. Letting people know that the constant whining is getting tired is more of a priority, and ill spite myself to do it.
Is a-inc to blame, in part, yes, but dont think its responsible for the entire problem, and certainly not to the degree people like to tell us. The times i have said the following is probably up into the double digits now, but its the bitch fighting that has ruined this once pinnicle of communities. Are you doing anything to promote the bitch fighting, no. But are you doing anything to resolve it, no. You just let the cheap shots continue. So whats the plan from here then? How do we move on and go forward as a community? I dont know! thats your job, but i do know that letting it continue the way it is, is certainly not the answer.
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How would you like it if someone sent you an e-mail every single Sunday reminding you to brush your teeth? Brushing your teeth is something you already know to do, and the e-mails would soon be ignored and lose importance.
@Wayne:
Judging by your avatar it is hard to believe that you brush your teeth only Sundays. :-?
I know, I know.. this is a moronic comment, but when you have taught basics of Java for 6 hours to people who have never programmed... I need beer.
:-P
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@teotwin,
say what you want about the community, but most
people in this community didn't steal $50 from
other members in this community.
Amiga inc...took $50 from other members, in some cases some people gave them up to $150 total...the coupon offer, was based on the idea the only thing left to do was to determine how many AOne's they needed to build...ahem, except we know now they weren't even ready.
And that offer, was made after a storm of criticism made over their sale of partypacks $100 that time, that people criticized because they sold it suggesting that OS 4 was on time and rockin, and we still do not know when OS 4 will be ready today.
Thats not a news item that can be posted everyday, but it sure can be not addressed and ignored by AI everyday....
The fact is, you can sit there and say, I want to get past the fact that people were ripped off. But how are we going to do that, Amiga, Inc. hasn't publicly apologized, they haven't made amends, they haven't declared bankruptcy (to legally account for debts owed that can't be paid)....
There won't be any getting past the issue until Amiga, Inc. addresses the issue.
Sure I hope they will address the issue by giving everyone the value of their coupons, even if its years late, and they borrowed the money under pretense...I think at this point they will still be forgiven if they just return the money, but...I don't see that ever happening, truthfully.
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Paul_Gadd wrote:
Desmon wrote:
Q. Why hasn't Amiga.inc stepped into the Amithlon/Umilator argument and taken on the distribution themselves? Surely the biggest money spinner in recent Amiga history deserves not to be flushed down the toilet.
That is such a great question Desmon asked, how Amiga Inc could have let such a great best seller product go to the grave without even fighting for it is just stupid, but then again were not talking about a professional company.
It looks as though this question will be asked :-) .
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@Loki1,
We are all just a bunch of UNDEAD Amigans yearning to go into the light (AOS4)!
Hey, at this point we're SuperUndead! :)
Amiga: The Ultimate Undead computer is back (RSN)
Zoltan
"You can stop the Living Dead...or their computers"
:-D
"I came back from Hell sooo God-Damn fit"- FLC
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@quenthal,
Judging by your avatar it is hard to believe that you brush your teeth only Sundays.
Don't knock Buddy Jesus :) (very funny movie, even if I'm sure I only got about 60-75% of the jokes- Theology isn't my stong subject)
I know, I know.. this is a moronic comment, but when you have taught basics of Java for 6 hours to people who have never programmed... I need beer.
Don't we all- and OS4! :)
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@teotwin,
While I agree with you broadly, Amiga.org is Wayne's project and, ultimately (and righly IMHO), he gets to make the calls.
On the other hand, maybe we should use those voting polls to make decisions (or at least a non-binding referendum) for issues that seem to be so controversial. I know these things are open to fraud, but there’s ways around that, or at least minimize it.
Zoltan
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@MarkTime,
The fact is, you can sit there and say, I want to get past the fact that people were ripped off. But how are we going to do that, Amiga, Inc. hasn't publicly apologized, they haven't made amends, they haven't declared bankruptcy (to legally account for debts owed that can't be paid)....
I understand your angry, but, really, are you asking looking for a refund? or how about waiting for the product the coupon is for to be released.
Since you seem to believe they are near-bankrupt, then I can see where you're coming from, however, a company can't secretly declare bankruptcy AFAIK.
Did you buy a coupon yourself? If so, you've been waiting a long time; what's another 2 months or so at this point?
Zoltan
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@Zoltan,
Where did you get 2 months from?
You see, the problem is, people have been making up dates for years.....2 months turns into 2 years.
OK, its always 2 months away, it has been 2 months away for going on 3 years.
You really think something is different about this 2 months? There is nothing different. And your people at Amiga, Inc. and Hyperion could say it is 2 months away, if they wanted....they won't even say its this year.
No I didn't buy a partypack or coupon, never considered it for a moment...I just get tired of seeing my friends having their money taken from them.
That is my right. I am not angry, I am just don't believe people who tell lies....why does that make me angry?
it doesn't...its just common sense not to trust Amiga, Inc...not a sign of anger.
Peace and love,
MarkTime
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@MarkTime,
Where did you get 2 months from?
It's not an exact date, what I was trying to say is that if you have been waiting for OS4 since 3.9, then if we have to wait another 2 month or 4 months then I don't worry about it.
As someone once said, "If you can't do anything about it, don't worry about it."
I do follow the updates Hyperion give, and they've given me no reason to beleive they're making this stuff up.
From the sounds of it, most of the big parts are largely done, so, based on that I'm guessing it won't be too much longer.
No I didn't buy a partypack or coupon, never considered it for a moment...I just get tired of seeing my friends having their money taken from them.
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it doesn't...its just common sense not to trust Amiga, Inc...not a sign of anger.
I see what you mean, there's a lot of companies that can't be trusted, but Amiga's not quite WorldCom.
Zoltan
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@marktime
So you dont have a party pack and you dont have a coupon but you would still like to complain on behalf of people that do??? How about this, I have both the party pack and coupon, i am a member of the club, i dont have a shirt, i dont have any upgrades to the party pack, the exchange rate from australia means it cost me a larger sum of money, I dont expect the pp upgrades, i dont expect the shirt.
I always simply saw the money as a donation that in some way would foster the hope of getting a new OS someday. Do i even have confidence in a-inc, not really, in fact apparently if they go bust hyperion would gain control the OS which is something i would love to see (hyperion controlling os, not a-inc going bust)
So, from now on, shut the hell up, I do not want you speaking on behalf of me because you obviously dont share my views. You seem to think you can speak with authority on a topic you have no interest in. The only difference between us is attitude, one of us likes to whine, one of us doesnt.
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@Wayne
You must agree, however, that *if* one of those Q&A sessions actually had news (such as Amiga realizing their true talent and going into politics as the Boing party) then it would belong in the news session. But insofar as it remains picked and chosen questions without any real answers... it just is not news.
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@Downix.
Thank you. My point exactly. If it were real news every week, we'd be sitting on the edge of our seats.
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@teotwin
Yes Marktime like to complain on behalf of people that do.
Even tho he was not Elected to do so just like he did in the , getting your CSPPC fixed deal wich hyperion set up thread.
even tho he dont own a CSPPC he thought he said complain.
At wayne & downix your doing the same thing that your moaning at fleecy for & that is saying the same old stuff but only in new words.
I thought that we already argreed that it aint classed as news & thats why its in form.
& im sure the topic does not say" IS fleecys Q&A news"
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@Paul_Gadd
Desmon wrote:
Q. Why hasn't Amiga.inc stepped into the Amithlon/Umilator argument and taken on the distribution themselves? Surely the biggest money spinner in recent Amiga history deserves not to be flushed down the toilet.
That is such a great question Desmon asked, how Amiga Inc could have let such a great best seller product go to the grave without even fighting for it is just stupid, but then again were not talking about a professional company.
And what's the bet that this question is never answered?
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@teotwin:
So you dont have a party pack and you dont have a coupon but you would still like to complain on behalf of people that do???
I do not want you speaking on behalf of me because you obviously dont share my views.
Well said that man. It's always the people who did not send the $50 that shout the loudest.
I also have a 'club membership' and parted with my $50 in the hope that it might push the project along a bit. If I never see it again, I'll be more disappointed at the demise of yet another Amiga co. than at losing $50. (Something I do practically every time I go for a beer :pint:)
As Billsey put it in another thread, "anything else is just gravy." ;-)