Amiga.org
The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: blobrana on January 20, 2006, 09:34:25 PM
-
Hum,
i just installed the beta Internet.Explorer.7.Build.5299 (11Mb)
Download: link Removed (http://rapidshare.de) (PM Me)
Note you need a Genuine Copy of Windows XP
(http://static.flickr.com/11/89030740_5ffdde5698_m.jpg)
Expand (http://static.flickr.com/11/89030740_5ffdde5698_o.gif)
Quite a few intresting features and omissions from the browser.
And reasonably stable, it only crashed after 15 minutes when it tried a shockwave file...not that would i surf with it anyway...
-
You would have to be crazy to install that binary. I'm not saying that blobrana has evil intentions, but who knows what the intentions are of the guy who put up that file. Every site on the planet works with the current up to date released version of IE from MS. If you like, ive got a binary right here, just for you, cmon, run it. :lol:
-
Ummm, yeah. It's fairly easy to get IE7 through legitimate channels. In any case, this thread should be deleted. . . .
Trev
-
Maybe not the thread, just the link if it's dodgy.
I'm actually quite interested in how MS has improved the whole browser. Let's face it, it couldn't really be worse! :-D
-
Hum,
yeah i am wary of any binary,
But this one was virus scanned and internet traffic watched.
So it seems cool to test...
Just download if you use firefox or opera to do the real surfing.
-
blobrana wrote:
Hum,
yeah i am wary of any binary,
But this one was virus scanned and internet traffic watched.
Virus scanners mean nothing, as they usually only flag things on definition. Change around the code on a trojan a little, and they miss it. Most checks are based on checksums or md5.
If one wanted to transmit some data to another host on the net, you would think the virus suite you are running would check this? Sure, if it opens it own socket for the io. But what if it used the html rendering library via com to send the data? Trick a trusted process to send your data, and you slip by the av software.
So you are watching the traffic, and with what? Ethereal, tcpdump? So what, if i were to write something malicious, i would make it communicate very rarely, maybe only onece a week, maybe more, maybe less. Did you check to see which registry keys it was accessing? Did you check to see what files it was playing with? Are you anal enough about what processes are running to notice? Do you know what all of the running processes you have are?
You cant watch your system 100% of the time with 100% detial. 80% of security problems could be solved with just an ounce of education.
-
@koaftder
I don't think you realise who you are talking to here ;-)
-
Vincent wrote:
@koaftder
I don't think you realise who you are talking to here ;-)
All i know is it's somebody with 4000 posts and they run windows. That and he's trying to convince people to run an unknown binary from a questionable source.
-
@koaftder
Hum,
Well it`s not a 100%
But i guess that is the risk with anything you install, even from MS.
you could always block it totally with a firewall just to test - afterall it is a beta anyway.
(noone should be using IE to surf anyway....)
The real thing is just a few months away.
-
@Vincent
koaftder is 100% right here. It'd be trivial to modify even known virus/trojan in a way it will get past current virus checkers and scanners.
It's beta sw, if you value stable system, don't install it.
The link should be removed IMO.
@blobrana
you could always block it totally with a firewall just to test
It could still install totally undetectable new virus/trojan to your system.
-
@Piru
I'm not saying he's wrong.
I'm suspicious of beta stuff myself, especially if it comes from a dubious source. I just think the way koaftder was speaking was a bit off, but seeing his answer to my last post, I can see why he made it :-)
-
blobrana wrote:
@koaftder
Hum,
Well it`s not a 100%
But i guess that is the risk with anything you install, even from MS.
you could always block it totally with a firewall just to test - afterall it is a beta anyway.
The real thing is just a few months away.
A firewall is just another thin layer of security. A firewall knows nothing about the state of things on your machine. All it knows is blah packet is coming from blah address and wants to goto blah machine at blah address at blah port. It then looks at it's rule set and either drops the packet on the floor or sends it on its merry way.
Any trojan worth anything sends it's data out to where ever over 80 looking like ie. How are you supposed to filter that on your network hardware?
-
he's trying
He?!?! :-)
-
Hum,
well after a bit more testing i discovered that it isn't as memory intensive, and faster than the old ie6.
The stability issues i experience at the beginning have gone , though that may just be because of luck.
I've had to do a bit of hacking to get it to work as i want; such as i installed a google search option , and remove some `this is a beta` text.
[color=ff00ff]For example, on `certain` machines, to remove the text that has appeared at the bottom of your desktop after you installed IE7:
Delete these entries (regedit):
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\SystemCertificates\CA\Certificates\FEE449EE0E3965A5246F000E87FDE2A065FD89D4
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\SystemCertificates\ROOT\Certificates\2BD63D28D7BCD0E251195AEB519243C13142EBC3
This will remove the root certificate, and stop the text from appearing.
[/color]
Overall i would say that the finished job with RSS, Tabs, search tool, anti phishing, will be just the same as Firefox.
-
blobrana wrote:
(noone should be using IE to surf anyway....)
Exactly! Why would anyone want to use the bug-infested security hazard known as IE when Firefox works so well?!
- Ali
-
Exactly! Why would anyone want to use the bug-infested security hazard known as IE when Firefox works so well?!
Not to trumpet IE, but FireFox still has tons of problems. It trashes its profiles regularly, must be WIPED OUT if you want to re-install it, or else damaged profiles will be retained, the download manager sucks, it crashes, extensions are always having version conflicts, bad extentions blow up the whole browser, it still suffers from an annoying "Sticky Alt Key" bug that has been in the browser since 0.8, the JavaScript debugger actually ignores certain critical errors... etc., etc., etc...
Trivial bugs just don't get fixed, at least not in the Win32 version. Also, I have to wait for my extensions to be updated before I can get a FireFox update, so new versions are hardly welcome. I've had to re-install it, like, twenty times since I started using it a couple years ago. IE never gave me much trouble other than ActiveX, which I have disabled. If only Flash wasn't implemented as an ActiveX control, I'd use IE more often.
Oh yeah, and now that FireFox is popular, pop-up blocking doesn't work, anymore, and I've had more than one site nag me to install an XPI or two. Security through obscurity no longer applies.
I have FireFox as my default browser, as it is good, but I wish people would point out its faults more often. It has plenty of design flaws of its own.
As for Opera, it's ugly and the GUI is stupid. It does, however, have a phenominal JavaScript debugger. If a web page works with Opera, it'll work with anything. ;-)
-
After reading that I'm glad I switched to Opera before Firefox took off. Although that was one of the browsers I tried along with Netscape, K-Meleon and a few others.
I've never had a problem with Opera. The only bad thing about it is that some pop-ups do get past the blocker, but not many. Maybe only 2 a week.
-
Microsoft has made available their latest beta preview build of their Internet Explorer 7.0 web browser.
"Evaluation of Internet Explorer 7 should start now, but the software should not be used on production systems in mission-critical environments. Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 Preview will only run on Windows® XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) systems, but will ultimately be available for Windows Vista, Windows XP Professional x64 Edition, and Windows Server 2003."
http://www.microsoft.com/IE7 (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/ie7betaredirect.mspx)
(Remember that its still beta...)
-
As for Opera, it's ugly and the GUI is stupid. It does, however, have a phenominal JavaScript debugger. If a web page works with Opera, it'll work with anything.
???ugly???? you have about a million skins to pick from. you can make Opera look the way you want it to. :-D
-
Looks like Microsoft Firefox to me.
That "streamlined interface" not only looks awful, but looks like it would be quite clunky. I don't know if it was just the examples shown, but the tabs looked really cramped.
The other thing that caught my attention was that that phishing feature, I wonder how it works (could there be privacy issues there) and I wonder if it can be abused. I'm always wary about software making judgements on content I access.
-
IE? Yuck! :insane: You'd have to fill me up to the brim to get me to use that crap.
The security architecture is a joke (ActiveX, VBscript, zone model :-P) - maybe M$ completely rebuilt the current crap of IE6, but why bother? Firefox has all you need, security problems are rare (in relation), small and quickly fixed.
-
It trashes its profiles regularly, must be WIPED OUT if you want to re-install it, or else damaged profiles will be retained, the download manager sucks, it crashes, extensions are always having version conflicts, bad extentions blow up the whole browser, it still suffers from an annoying "Sticky Alt Key" bug that has been in the browser since 0.8, the JavaScript debugger actually ignores certain critical errors... etc., etc., etc...
[...]
Oh yeah, and now that FireFox is popular, pop-up blocking doesn't work, anymore, and I've had more than one site nag me to install an XPI or two. Security through obscurity no longer applies.
[...]
I have FireFox as my default browser, as it is good, but I wish people would point out its faults more often. It has plenty of design flaws of its own.
Uhm, interesting... I have never had a profile become trashed, I have never had any problems whatsoever with the download manager, I haven't noticed any version conflicts with the extensions and concerning the sticky alt key bug, I don't even know what it is (and thus I guess I haven't experienced it). The only thing I have noticed is that the pop-up blocker isn't as efficient as it used to be before, and that pages which plays Quicktime audiofiles (which autoloads) have managed to crasch the browser at times.
So, in my case, I haven't pointed out the flaws since I haven't really experienced any flaws to the extent that I have felt a need to point them out. Though, I have to say, I don't consider FireFox being a perfect browser in any aspect. But compared to IE6, I'm having a really hard time seeing what IE6 offers that FireFox doesn't (except a bit more reliable Windows Media streams).
-
Hmmmm....
As much as I use my Amiga for browsing and love the Amiga in general, IE and Firefox with all of their bugs and viruses intact still blow away any form of browser that currently is available for the Amiga.
Perhaps it's best not to throw glass in stone houses. You'll only end up with cut feet.
Best Regards,
AmigaEd
-
Hummm,
As an update, the official release version is build 5296.
The leaked version is build 5299....
And it seems that you can`t officially validate (install) the leaked version anymore... (there are ways round this of course)..
-
uncharted wrote:
The other thing that caught my attention was that that phishing feature, I wonder how it works (could there be privacy issues there) and I wonder if it can be abused. I'm always wary about software making judgements on content I access.
The anti-phishing feature is also a plugin for the MSN toolbar at the moment.
There are docs on the m$ website about it, but I can't find them just now, and they'd probably not tell you what you want to know anyway.
-
Hum,
The anti-phishing feature and locking of the toolbar is a good feature in principle...
I noticed that a security vulnerability in the Beta 2 Preview release of Internet Explorer 7 has already been found.
The bug lies in the urlmon.dll file and causes the browser to crash when it encounters a URL with the "file://" protocol followed by a long string of dashes.
-
So... after a couple of weeks, how is IE7?
Any more problems or possible bugs?
-
Hum,
i have just kept it on my computer....It seems quite stable and i haven't had any problems with macromedia files since i first installed it.
It works with iespell, and it’s a bit faster than ie6 too.
(i haven`t tried the older M$ build 5296).
-
A new preview version of Microsoft's Internet Explorer is out, (11Mb)
The Beta 2 preview of version 7 build number of (7.0.5335.5) sports a much more compact and streamlined interface than that of the current IE, with a strong emphasis on dedicating as much of the window as possible to the displayed Web site.
If you use Windows XP with Service Pack 2, you can download the new beta 2 program.
Weblink: (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie7/default.mspx)
BTW, Also released today is an alpha version of Firefox 2.0 called "Bon Echo" which is now available on Mozilla's FTP servers.
Link: (Windows, Mac OS X, or Linux versions.) (http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=58381&subForumID=150706&action=viewTopic&commentID=4059420&commentPage=1&topicPage=)
-
1. wtf are you doing running windoze? lol
2. who gives a crap about IE?
3. quite a few browsers out there are much better (and finished)
4. umm cant think of a 4th except. wtf?!
-
Looks good, but I'm not going to bother trying it until it's an official update. I don't have an offline dedicated beta machine (I've tried making one from spare parts but never got very far).
I like the Anti phishing filter (that made it's debut as a plugin for MSN's Search Toolbar along with the tabbed browsing). Everything else is something that should've been implemented a long long time ago.
The overall look is better, but it still seems a bit disorganized to me.
Still sticking with Opera 9.0 here (a beta, but it's yet to cause any kind of problem here).
-
For those who want to try it without installing IE7Beta can run "stand alone"
1. Download and install WinRAR
2. Right-click on "IE7B2P-WindowsXP-x86-enu.exe" and choose "Extract to "IE7B2P-WindowsXP-x86-enu""
3. Find and delete "shdocvw.dll"
4. Make a new text file (iexplore.exe.local) and call it "iexplore.exe.local" (make it inside the folder that iexplore.exe is in)
5. Run iexplore.exe and it should work!
Not tried it with the latest build tho as so far it's way better then IE6. (Ok, that's not so hard to do...)
-
Hum,
nice tip...
@Vincent, yeah don`t bother, although its fast and stable, the browsers `back button` has been disabled!
Plus, i have heard reports that the installer is real flaky, it asks you to uninstall your ,Beta1, IE first, and then promptly freezes...
And the `XP restore` function has failed so that some ppl are `forced` to use an alternative browser...LOL...
i`m back to beta 1...(er, not that i use it)
-
Hi Blobsie,
The Back button works for me, but it's a bit different then that of IE6.
As for uninstalling IE7, in software or add/remove programs (depends on the language version) in the "control panel" check "show updates". Previous builds then showed up under "windows XP Software updates" but the build released this month should be visible without the show updates. I noticed that the MS download pages instructs to remove the previous builds before installing the new one (by using the add/remove programs)
-
Still sticking with Opera 9.0 here
Did you get the free key they offered a while back ? Not sure what the reason was but I should still have it..
Never liked Opera on the PC (Got Firefox cause all the extensions available) but love it on my Nokia 7710.
Hows Opera 9 compared to FireFox1.5 ?
-
Dunno about comparing Opera to Firefox, but Opera 9 is a bit faster and lighter on the memory compared to 8.5x on my system. Even though it is still in beta.
Although that probably doesn't help you in the slightest ;-)
-
Waccoon wrote:
Exactly! Why would anyone want to use the bug-infested security hazard known as IE when Firefox works so well?!
Not to trumpet IE, but FireFox still has tons of problems. It trashes its profiles regularly, must be WIPED OUT if you want to re-install it, or else damaged profiles will be retained, the download manager sucks, it crashes, extensions are always having version conflicts, bad extentions blow up the whole browser, it still suffers from an annoying "Sticky Alt Key" bug that has been in the browser since 0.8, the JavaScript debugger actually ignores certain critical errors... etc., etc., etc..
I have been using Firefox for over three years and have never had it trash a profile. I also must have rolled it out to at least 30 customers, none have reported Firefox stability issues. I don't remember the last time Firefox crashed on me, no Firefox crashes in my event log. I got used to the download manager, it works ok. I don't use any extensions. "Sticky alt key"? I don't know about the JS console, I don't do web development really, none that involves JS anyway.
Firefox does have its problems, I have seen it crash and do sucky things, but I think maybe you should consider that some of these issues may be localised to your setup, and aren't necessarily global issues.
I've seen Internet Explorer do lots of strange things too, including virtually all of the things you describe above, but I don't discount the fact that millions of people use it every day and are completely satisfied with it. Same goes for Opera, and every other web browser ('millions' aside).
-
Regarding IE, I am so glad I don't run windowze in a daily basis, I don't care what they do. It is even banned at my uni (but the default is netscape, yuck, gone are the times of ns 3 and 4).
I have FF 1.5 at the uni, and sometimes crashes especially after one week of continuous use, as I don't quit.
the default in SuSe 9.3 is 1.0.6 or 7 and that crashes quite often, in a couple of hs.
But, I use the same profile for both.
The real problem is that java doesn't work anymore since i put 1.5, why ?, didn't found out yet (neither with 1.4.2 nor 1.5.0_6)...
And I'm using the same profile I had when I first installed it 1 1/2 years ago. No trashes, nothing.
The only extension I have is adblock, cannot live without it !
-
Am I the only one that enjoys IE? :-D
Never once has it failed me. :-)
-
kd7ota wrote:
Am I the only one that enjoys IE? :-D
Never once has it failed me. :-)
its ok we'll get you some help
-
:-P
I think I will be ok for now. If something happens I will be sure to report it. :-D
-
pm me where did you get the AmigaOS skin for xP?? :D
as to IE (any version): it just sucks. I have 4 PCs at home and whenever someone just starts IE it finishes with some virus on disk (sic!). I personally use Firefox on Win32 and Safari on Mac OS X, and love it!
-
Hum,
i got the
Skins from here (http://pcdesktops.emuunlim.com/wb16-20.shtml) (but i can`t seem to see mine)...
-
kd7ota wrote:
Am I the only one that enjoys IE? :-D
Never once has it failed me. :-)
You're running IE under Windows, right? Have you NEVER been affected by malware from an IE session?
I almost never use IE, and it still fails for me too often. I only use it when I really need to use a website with active x or some other thing. I'll always try with another browser first, and seriously consider whether I really need to use the page.
My wife is Chinese, and she uses IE all the time to access Chinese webmail, and other pages, all loaded with code that only 'works' on IE. Her PC is always infested with so much rubbish, I can't even be bothered fixing it any more. Those sights have lots of malware that can't be dealt with by any program I've used. I avoid IE like the plague.
-
blobrana wrote:
Hum,
i got the
Skins from here (http://pcdesktops.emuunlim.com/wb16-20.shtml) (but i can`t seem to see mine)...
thx :-) :-) !!! i am leeching them right now :-)
-
Microsoft have just released Internet Explorer 7 Beta 3 to the public. The new beta build is available for all the major Windows Platforms. The new beta holds the build number 5450, and was compiled on the 23rd of this month.
(http://static.flickr.com/68/178104106_74e9315fe8_o.gif)
Download: (http://download.microsoft.com/download/7/8/3/783fb2b5-bfaf-4712-8557-952af02b1b8d/IE7BETA3-WindowsXP-x86-enu.exe) Windows XP SP2
Download: (http://download.microsoft.com/download/d/3/e/d3e402f4-6888-4c2c-af62-171d7b4e751c/IE7BETA3-WindowsServer2003-x64-enu.exe) Windows x64 Editions
Download: (http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/c/5/cc5f5d64-87e5-456f-a021-4b62637b732b/IE7BETA3-WindowsServer2003-x86-enu.exe) Windows Server 2003 SP1
Download: (http://download.microsoft.com/download/7/b/5/7b54994f-4b26-4072-8808-443456710c01/IE7BETA3-WindowsServer2003-ia64-enu.exe) Windows Server 2003 Itanium Edition
-
Any ideas about the Vista build being updated?
I haven't had the chance to get back to Vista this past fortnight so I don't even know if there's been updates in that time.
-
@V
Here is a link (http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=58381&p=3&topicID=3020324&commentPage=3&subForumID=150705) (just for you though).