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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Noster on January 19, 2006, 09:47:44 PM
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Hi,
Ok, I decided to sell one of my A3000T's and to purchase an AmigaOne - a microA1.
But my problem is: Noone seems to sell these boards :-(
Does anybody knows a shop (preferably in Europe) where I could order an AmigaOne microA1 motherboard? Or is Eyetech out of business and doesn't produces any boards any more?
Noster
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Noster wrote:
Hi,
Ok, I decided to sell one of my A3000T's and to purchase an AmigaOne - a microA1.
But my problem is: Noone seems to sell these boards :-(
Does anybody knows a shop (preferably in Europe) where I could order an AmigaOne microA1 motherboard? Or is Eyetech out of business and doesn't produces any boards any more?
Noster
Nowhere. They aren't made any more, and production isn't likely to start ever again. You might wait and see what's going to happen with this ACK board or maybe the Troika dealie.
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Noster wrote:
Or is Eyetech out of business and doesn't produces any boards any more?
Eyetech has gone dark, I dont know of anyone that has talked to them in quite awhile. The microA1 cannot be produced anymore. Both ACK and Troika claim to be working on a board for OS4, but have yet to explain whether they have an OS4 license etc. Both of there designs at this time will be slower then the MicroA1. Peg2, Efika and of course PPC Macs are plentiful, but Hyperion is apparently too scared of a company (AI) that has missed 19 court dates to port OS4 to either of them. Thats the shape of things right now in the OS4 community, hopefully things will get better, honestly they can't get much worse.
-Tig
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@Noster
Sadly there is no available hardware to run OS4, you will see people talk of "ACK and Troika" but treat that as nonsense until you can actual buy the product.
Hopefully alan redhouse has left the amiga market and took his dirty company with him.
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> 19 court dates
Is this true or just a rumour/scam/hoax?
Where is the source?
Where are the documents about lawsuit, dates, location and the name of the judge?
> Hyperion Entertainment is a privately held Belgian/German company, founded in February of 1999.
Where is the location of the court?
Is it in US, German, or Belgium?
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asian1 wrote:
> 19 court dates
Is this true or just a rumour/scam/hoax?
Where is the source?
Where are the documents about lawsuit, dates, location and the name of the judge?
About AI and court?? Absolutely true. Now I will point out that in private mail someone thinks that its 18 not 19, but fundamentally its true. A large number of lawsuits have been filed against Amiga Inc, it has not shown up for any of them until the final judgement time in the Thendic vs AI suit. The have lost lawsuits to at least two former employees Bolten Peck and Matt Fontenot (with several others waiting in the wings), there realtor sued and won twice, the state of Washington sued and won for taxes, a shipping company, a phone company, Genesi, all of these and more are part of the public record. This has been discussed to death for years, why is it all new to you??
-Tig
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Savan wrote:
@Noster
Sadly there is no available hardware to run OS4, you will see people talk of "ACK and Troika" but treat that as nonsense until you can actual buy the product.
Hopefully alan redhouse has left the amiga market and took his dirty company with him.
I don't think it's fair to call Eyetech a dirty company. I always had excellent service from them whenever I bought Amiga hardware from them.
They were just totally out of their depth - seeing themselves as the saviour of 'The Amiga' when in reality Eyetech was just a (small) computer shop in Yorkshire.
Anyway, I think it's most likely that Eyetech has now left the Amiga market. They did start trying to sell PC hardware a few years ago but with competition like Aria and Scan in the UK that was a dead end too (it's a bit hard to compete when your prices are double everyone elses).
Hopefully they'll be able to find another niche market to sustain them since the Amiga one died.
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Your best bet for microA1 is to find second hand, but these will be sold mostly when new/better A1 models arrive.
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I don't think it's fair to call Eyetech a dirty company
I think it is fair, redhouse is reponsible for faulty hardware and not providing a warranty service on sold boards. I call that dirty and dishonest.
eyetech have only got away with it because they are an amiga related company, if this was any other market redhouse would have been hung out to dry years ago.
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@ Noster
Ask Toaks on AW.net he posted some days ago that a dealer has one or two boards left. Here in italy we sold all the boards the day they arrive! I hope torika or ack boards come out soon.
A micro is very nice machine, you will enjoy it (if you find it!)
If you don't find a Micro, save for a Ack or Troika, there will be also high end models later. Don't buy an A1 SE or a classic PPC like CyberStorm or Blizzard.
@ Savan
Thanks to Eyetech we have OS4, thanks to Eyetech i'm posting this from a A1XE 1Ghz and it is my favorite computer ever and i have 6 computers at home, linux box, mac and pcs. I agree, he did some big errors, but after all we have something thanks to him... and dma is fixable (for free in some country) and works ok, sound onboard works fine.... and go on.
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I believe Sven Harvey has ONE A1-XE G4 left.
It's a complete machine he's selling though.
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@Noster
Dutch:
http://www.computercity.biz/product_info.php?products_id=2455&osCsid=49d9f08ac626dddb88ae8cc3fc432563
German:
http://www.computercity.biz/product_info.php?cPath=21_22&products_id=2455&language=de&osCsid
English:
http://www.computercity.biz/product_info.php?cPath=21_22&products_id=2455&language=en&osCsid
:-)
EDIT:
He removed it from his online-shop...:-(
Bad luck guys!
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ikir wrote:
Ask Toaks on AW.net he posted some days ago that a dealer has one or two boards left.
There is no dealer who has any new boards left. The only used one you can buy from a dealer is this one http://www.stellardreams.co.uk/showitem.php?id=35 (for only 1.100 Pounds ):lol: This myth of A1s hiding somewhere is really persisting.
If you don't find a Micro, save for a Ack or Troika, there will be also high end models later. Don't buy an A1 SE or a classic PPC like CyberStorm or Blizzard.
They said they will consider it based on the sales. They did not say that there will be other models. Nobody even knows if the ACK/Troika will arrive, so it's not wise to already mention their successors.
Thanks to Eyetech we have OS4, thanks to Eyetech i'm posting this from a A1XE 1Ghz and it is my favorite computer ever (...)
and dma is fixable (for free in some country) and works ok, sound onboard works fine.... and go on.
Thanks to Hyperion, we will have OS4. Wow, the A1 that Eyetech sold to you is actually working? Must be a great company then, it doesn't matter not having any warranty for highly overpriced hardware. :lol:
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@AmiDude:
That page was last updated 31 October 2004. Computer City rarely has something in stock which they put on their website.
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Email him and ask about if he's got it in stock or not.
You'll never know... :roll:
:-)
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humppa wrote:
Thanks to Hyperion, we will have OS4. Wow, the A1 that Eyetech sold to you is actually working? Must be a great company then, it doesn't matter not having any warranty for highly overpriced hardware. :lol:
My A1 is working, too.
Varthall
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So is Mine (http://www.nenevalleyvideos.co.uk/TheSkip/screen1.jpg)
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Nice Jump Leads
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Apart from second-hand the ONLY A1 I know of for sale is an XE complete system at Stellar Dreams.
Contrary to what people have said here (I thought the same myself!) Eyetech is busy with new A1 hardware. I don't know when this will ship.
ACK was meant to be shipping the PowerVixxen next month.
I don't know about Troika.
As for the children calling Eyetech names - What have you done for the Amiga lately? :crazy:
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Eyetech is busy with new A1 hardware. I don't know when this will ship.
We have been hearing this crap for months, why not provide actual proof? oh and tell redhouse to answer the phone and check his e-mails aswell, people have been trying to contact him for months.
As for the children calling Eyetech names
What was said was FACT. redhouse sold "known" faulty boards and when he found that out he decided not to honor the boards warranty. He is a dishonst and a dirty buisness man.
Only in Amigaland can a company spit in their customers faces and get thanks for doing so.
What have you done for the Amiga lately?
Piss all after the death of Amithlon.
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Colin_Camper wrote:
Contrary to what people have said here (I thought the same myself!) Eyetech is busy with new A1 hardware. I don't know when this will ship.
Where did you get that info Colin, enquiring minds want to know.
As for the children calling Eyetech names - What have you done for the Amiga lately? :crazy:
Delivered the Open Source Video Toaster, which has a much bigger installed base then say the Amiga One. Open sourced a bunch of my amiga video software to help the effort, offered to make fully working firewire ports for an OS4 port to the powermac, since I've already done it for another OS.
-Bill
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@Tig:
I wanna know how Colin knows this too.
I appear to have fried the cpu in my A1, after 2 years sterling
service.
Never realised how much I'd miss it - typing this on my Pegasos1.
That eleven hundred quid system Sven is selling actually looked quite
tempting until I remembered I don't have anything like that kind of
dosh just now.
OS4 on the Peg2 is my preferred route, although I appreciate that
isn't likely to happen any time soon.
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Oh buggery bollocks, I wrote a reply to Lando about Eyetech while at Uni, but it doesn't seem to have submitted.
Anyway, basically I said that Eyetech were never a 'little computer shop', they were an industrial and commercial systems company. They happened to use Amigas in some of thier systems (CD32s and A1200s IIRC) and opened a sideline in computer retail.
The A1 was supposed to be their way of replacing the Amiga systems they used. Unfortunately it seems they got in way over thier heads.
If you want a better info, the omnipresent Don Cox is the guy to ask, he wrote an article for AA about Eyetech (Half about Eyetech themselves, half review of one of thier Amiga based systems)
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Wilse wrote:
@Tig:
I wanna know how Colin knows this too.
I appear to have fried the cpu in my A1, after 2 years sterling
service.
Which A1 board, which CPU do you have and are you sure its the CPU on the cpu board and not something around it?? I'm just asking because if you've blown something little, I could probably fix it for you here, if you dont have other options.
OS4 on the Peg2 is my preferred route, although I appreciate that isn't likely to happen any time soon.
It would solve so many issues with OS4 now, I just wish they would bite the bullet and go for it.
-Tig
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@Tig:
It's an A1XE, 800mHz G4 (750x I think).
I'm not sure it's the CPU at all.
Is there a definitive way to test
this?
Cheers for the offer, BTW.
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You need to get it second hand these days.... I suggest maybe asking the same question at amigaworld.net, as most amigaone users hang out there.
There are companies that are claiming to be making new boards, and hyperion has verified that they are in talks with some certain hardware manufactors. But there is no word on eta, so i would not hold my breath just yet.
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@Wilse
Have you tried replacing the clock battery? The A1 won't boot with a dead battery for some reason..
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@Savan
What was said was FACT. redhouse sold "known" faulty boards and when he found that out he decided not to honor the boards warranty. He is a dishonst and a dirty buisness man.
If you met Alan, you would find him a really genuine, decent guy.
Well the SE was a mess. But to be fair it was sold as a Beta development system AND these owners were very much encouraged to upgrade to XE (at some cost to Eyetech if I remember.
The XE's have had issues that are all surmountable - most XE owners are happy with them. I only hear people complain and {bleep} about A1 and Eyetech when they don't own one and have no intention.
The uA1 (I bought one of these) - I heard there is an obscure issue with DMA - handled by OS4. I never had any problems with my board.
Are you seriously suggesting that Eyetech or any company in this tiny, fragmented market can offer the same after sales support that IBM, Apple or HP do?
Also, if you had an HP or Apple out of warranty - do you believe community people would offer a turn round repair service for owners all over the world?
@Tigger
Delivered the Open Source Video Toaster, which has a much bigger installed base then say the Amiga One.
My question wasn't really aimed at you :-D
Where did you get that info Colin, enquiring minds want to know.
Right, well if you haven't dropped in at Amigaworld.net the place has been buzzing like crazy! :-D
It kicked off with an interview with the Freidens just after christmas - and since then we have had bbrv, Dave Haynie, the guy from OSNews amongst others, DEBATING in multiple posts (15+) running to 20-40 pages with very little flaming and trolling. It's been great - haven't had so much fun since the Garry Hare business card real/fake brewhar! :-)
Anyway, in one of these threads;
Amigaworld: Organising correspondance with Eyetech (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=10210&forum=33&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0)
>Anonymous
> Re: Organising correspondance with Eyetech
>Posted on 25-Feb-2005 17:02:04 [ # ]
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>@RedMelons
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>RedMelons wrote:
>Does anybody know whether Eyetech are still in the Amiga >business?
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>Me
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>And believe me, when Eyetech quit the Amiga business I'll >be among the first to know.
>Everyone's finding Alan hard to get hold of these days, >including his wife. Without wanting to go into details, >he's apparently currently doing the job of two, if not >three, people at the moment, trying to get the A1 into the >industrial market and preparing for the next generation of >A1s, liaising with Hyperion and MAI, trying to keep dealers >supplied, eat, etc etc
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>There's an incredible amount of fiddly detail involved in >the A1/OS4 project, and even if some of the dealers are >doing our best to take some of it off his hands, he's still >horrendously busy.
>I know it's stressful when you haven't had any fresh news >for a while, but bear with us. In most cases it means we're >working bloody hard.
I also heard in another thread that the ACK PowerVixxens are soon (next month at latest) to be shipped to dealers and that the product range will include CPU modules for A1's at reasonable prices.
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@Colin_Camper
>Anonymous
> Re: Organising correspondance with Eyetech
>Posted on 25-Feb-2005 17:02:04 [ # ]
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>@RedMelons
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>Quote:
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>RedMelons wrote:
>Does anybody know whether Eyetech are still in the Amiga >business?
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>Me
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>And believe me, when Eyetech quit the Amiga business I'll >be among the first to know.
>Everyone's finding Alan hard to get hold of these days, >including his wife. Without wanting to go into details, >he's apparently currently doing the job of two, if not >three, people at the moment, trying to get the A1 into the >industrial market and preparing for the next generation of >A1s, liaising with Hyperion and MAI, trying to keep dealers >supplied, eat, etc etc
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>There's an incredible amount of fiddly detail involved in >the A1/OS4 project, and even if some of the dealers are >doing our best to take some of it off his hands, he's still >horrendously busy.
>I know it's stressful when you haven't had any fresh news >for a while, but bear with us. In most cases it means we're >working bloody hard.
Well, that covers the situation a year ago. I don't really see the relevance here today though.
Given that we've still heard nothing from Eyetech and that Mai haven't been heard from or updated their web site for nigh on 2 years apart from to hastily slap on an old backup from archive.org so that there was at least something there when it was deleted early last year...
I think Eyetech and Mai are both about as alive as Amiga Inc is. Which is to say 'not very'.
I also heard in another thread that the ACK PowerVixxens are soon (next month at latest) to be shipped to dealers and that the product range will include CPU modules for A1's at reasonable prices.
That would be good news. But, I heard in a thread back in 2004 that the ACK boards would be available Q1 2005.
I think the ratio of things that I read in threads to things which actually happened must be about 20 to 1.
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I think the ratio of things that I read in threads to things which actually happened must be about 20 to 1.
Yes, I agree. I felt pretty much the same way after the Hyperion IRC session. I think that's why bbrv struck such a chord with the openpeg thread - something tangible as opposed to something vapourous! :-)
But there is a lot of buzz and activity happening at the moment. People who normally post, too busy. People who are not known for hype or exaggeration hinting at things about to happen soon.
Let's hope so. :-)
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Eyetech changed the company that deals with their credit card transactions at the end of last year, this has caused some problems and should all be sorted by the end of this month.
This info comes from an email recieved by me just before Christmas.
I doubt if that helps to clear anything up but perhaps "busy" is a fair comment.
We are all waiting for new hardware, Troika, ACK, Eyetech or Elbox, all quiet. Not much of a suprise as they are all aiming to get OS4 hardware up and running ASAP. Let's hope for sooner rather than later and before kicking off too much try to consider that Eyetech do this for love not cash. If they did this for money they would have given up years ago. :lol:
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Colin_Camper:
The XE's have had issues that are all surmountable - most XE owners are happy with them. I only hear people complain and {bleep} about A1 (and Eyetech) when they don't own one...
Yes, by definition, you wont hear many complaints from A1 buyers. Not necessarily because there is nothing to complain about though.
The mad folks at the Sinclair-C5 Club will tell you its the best -car- ever made too, but the rest of us know better...
http://www.speedace.info/sinclair_c5.htm
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How would you know better if you haven't owned one ?
I personally think the only thing that lets the A1 down is the lack of a modern browser... And thats nothing to do with the hardware !!
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Colin_Camper wrote:
Contrary to what people have said here (I thought the same myself!) Eyetech is busy with new A1 hardware. I don't know when this will ship.
Wrong.
Have you actually noticed that the information you are referring to was posted "25-Feb-2005"? It has no relevance anymore. There won't be new A1s from Eyetech anymore. Period.
The Eyetech-thread is _ancient_. Somebody just dig it out again.
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Colin Camper: The uA1 (I bought one of these) - I heard there is an obscure issue with DMA - handled by OS4. I never had any problems with my board.
Does the fix allow the board to work at its rated speed? People don't notice performance issues if they don't stress the system.
I bought some low-latency memory from Corsair at a big expense. I found out quickly that it didn't run at its rated speed and gave me blue screens of death several times a day. I sent it back to the company, and the new modules I received had the same problem. Reading the memory forums, I see this is a huge issue, becuase the memory is simply overrated at the factory. I can get the memory to work very stable if I over-volt or underclock it. Does that mean I'm happy? Hell, no.
This was apparently a fluke with their early XMS modules. New Corsair memory continues to get good reviews, just like their pre-XMS products. Still, I was overcharged for a product that doesn't work as advertised. The result? After an RMA that resolved noting, I've decided not to buy Corsair memory again.
Would I treat any "Amiga" differently? No. Should anyone else? NO.
This is why I want AmigaOS on PC hardware. Many PC companies have been making hardware for years and they have gotten damn good at it. As a PC builder, I occasionaly take risks with products released very early. Products sold through resellers must be properly tested under lab conditions before it goes on the market, and backed up by the sellers. These Amiga guys don't know what they are doing.
The fact that the hardware was selling years before the OS doesn't help. Got a problem? Get a patch! Gee, that sounds familiar.
Colin Camper: Are you seriously suggesting that Eyetech or any company in this tiny, fragmented market can offer the same after sales support that IBM, Apple or HP do?
Isn't that why people have to pay ungodly prices?
It never ceases to amaze me that Amiga users will criticize a $120 PC combo that lasts for years, while paying $800 or so for a board that has major design flaws is a real pleasure. Service and support is part of the value of a product, not just specs and price.
My Corsair XMS memory and my Radeon 9800 Pro are the only pieces of hardware I've owned over the last 10+ years that have died on me [Edit - the memory didn't die. It was not sold as advertised]. Amiga users are not immune to Radeon problems, and it was my own fault for buying the memory the instant it came out, rather than waiting for a month or so for the reviews to come out. PC hardware is not junk. The kinds of problems the AmigaOne has would not be acceptable outside the Amiga market. It's no surprise to me that MAI seems to be MIA.
I've never dealt with Eyetech or any other recent Amiga company. But, if they do refuse to offer service for their products, they might as well just say there is no waranty.
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Colin Camper:
"Are you seriously suggesting that Eyetech or any company
in this tiny, fragmented market can offer the same after sales
support that IBM, Apple or HP do?"
Yes. Genesi have no problem with this. There have been a bunch
of CPU-cards dying for no reason on the Peg2 and they have always
been exchanged without any cost besides your shipping to
bPlan. It happened to me and after a week or two I had
a new CPU card waiting in the Post office. This has happened
to quite many people and noone have said their card wasn't
replaced or had any problems with bPlan and Genesi.
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@Humpa
Have you actually noticed that the information you are referring to was posted "25-Feb-2005"?
Haha! :lol: Someone got me good on Amigaworld.net! Thanks for pointing that out.
@Ironfist
Yes. Genesi have no problem with this.
Yes, I agree. Genesi probably provide the best user experience of any Amiga company shipping new hardware (Not exactly a big club!). However you still can't compare them to people like IBM - IBM don't have old sites on the internet with disgruntled rants from ex AIX or OS400 developers on them. What I'm saying is that ALL companies operating in this market will have huge (almost insurmountable) problems and Genesi are no exception. Thankfully they seem to be on the verge of breaking through to the next level - let's hope others can follow.
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Hi,
just have had a look to Amiga.org -- yesterday there was no time for being online -- and noticed that I've started a larger thread.
But damned, noone knows a source for a microA1 :-(
Now the OS is nearly completely finished and no hardware is available? *sick*.
@ikir
> Don't buy an A1 SE or a classic PPC like CyberStorm or Blizzard.
I currently own an CyberstormPPC and a CyperVisionPPC but I would sell it, if I could gain a microA1 instead.
@The editor
> I believe Sven Harvey has ONE A1-XE G4 left.
It must be a microA1, I want to place it into an Amiga 1000 case (see http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=20038) and there is no space for a larger board or a gfx-card.
So I have to look around and must have much luck that I could either get an used board or that any other company offers something comparable.
Noster
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Are you seriously suggesting that Eyetech or any company in this tiny, fragmented market can offer the same after sales support that IBM, Apple or HP do?
Yes. Taking customers money and vanishing is hardly a good way to treat the Amiga users. who have payed premium prices for the hardware that they thought they would recieve FULL support on their purchased products (including a full warranty).
Small shops can handle after sales support, so can eyetech. Making excuses for redhouse is pathetic, the situation can not be covered up anymore because people (suprisingly even some of the hardcore users) have had enough.
Service and support is part of the value of a product, not just specs and price
Not the case at all anymore. The bigger the amiga companies dump on the amiga users, the happier the amiga users seem to be.
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Well the SE was a mess. But to be fair it was sold as a Beta development system AND these owners were very much encouraged to upgrade to XE (at some cost to Eyetech if I remember.
The XE's have had issues that are all surmountable - most XE owners are happy with them. I only hear people complain and {bleep} about A1 and Eyetech when they don't own one and have no intention.
Marketing their products to me is good reason enough. Having intention to buy one or not is irrelevant.
Not that I would do anything against EyeTech but they were playing dangerous game.
Are you seriously suggesting that Eyetech or any company in this tiny, fragmented market can offer the same after sales support that IBM, Apple or HP do?
Why not? The CPU card on my Pegasos II died last year (fan was dead) but bPlan fixed it for free (of course, it was only 8 months old) and shipped it back with new fan. Took four weeks but they fixed it nevertheless. Apple probably would have fixed it in a week.
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@The_Editor
Yeah, point noted. However, like any product opinion, the potential buyer has to weigh up the information they have to hand with their own experience.
I'm not likely to sway those people who already have an A1. That's my point, anyone dedicated/fanatical enough to already own an A1 is never going to have a bad word to say about it, even if criticism is justified. The A1 being a bad-buy reflects poorly on the buyer.
You cant get an accurate and dispassionate hardware opinion from A1 owners. And you cant get a fully informed opinion from non-owners. So you just have to look at the facts and form an opinion from those.
Unfortunately, those raw facts taken by themselves (without a dispassionate and truthful hands-on account) paint a pretty bleak picture. Hence my analogy with the Sinclair-C5, you dont have to own one to know they're junk.
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ikir wrote:
@ Noster
If you don't find a Micro, save for a Ack or Troika, there will be also high end models later.
:D
Thanks to Eyetech we have OS4,
:D
Partly thanks to Eyetech, we DON'T have OS4 for sale.
Thanks to Eyetech, OS4 stands without any hardware to run on at all, much less any viable hardware.
Or should we say thanks to AInc, as it was them who allowed the totally irrelevant Eyetech to have any say at all on the OS4+ distribution model, on the prerequisites for the development of OS4, and on who's supposed to be allowed to get a licence to compete with Eyetech.
thanks to Eyetech i'm posting this from a A1XE 1Ghz and it is my favorite computer ever
:D
THANK YOU, EYETECH! :)
I agree, he did some big errors,
Thank you, Eyetech!
but after all we have something thanks to him...
Yeah, all PPC hardware, including Terons, would have ceased to exist if it weren't for Eyetech. :P
I hope you're all really grateful towards Eyetech now, aren't you, Mr Jobs, Mr Buck, Mr Carda, Mr Staats, Mr Hou, Mr Mueller, ...? :D
"We" have always "had" something. We still "have" something. We're just not allowed to buy it to use with AmigaOS, thanks to Eyetech.
and dma is fixable (for free in some country) and works ok, sound onboard works fine.... and go on.
So some things have been worked around mostly by software developers or by the board designers with more or less acceptable results, some issues remain unaddressed, some dealers haven taken it upon themselves to do "for free in some country" what should be Eyetech's job, and you think this is somehow supposed to make people grateful towards Eyetech?
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Colin_Camper wrote:
@Savan
What was said was FACT. redhouse sold "known" faulty boards and when he found that out he decided not to honor the boards warranty. He is a dishonst and a dirty buisness man.
If you met Alan, you would find him a really genuine, decent guy.
I don't know about Alan as a person, but the whole "AmigaOne" venture has been dishonest from its unnecessary birth to its miserable end.
Well the SE was a mess. But to be fair it was sold as a Beta development system AND these owners were very much encouraged to upgrade to XE (at some cost to Eyetech if I remember.
No. Only a small number of the earliest "SE"s were ever sold as "developer boards", and that was in reference to software development, not hardware quality or warranties.
The upgrade cost was to the customers, not Eyetech. Of course people were encouraged to upgrade! :) Personally I'm not upset at all over that buying an upgrade obviously will cost you money, but the "SE"s were broken and the "XE"s were supposed to be functional replacements for these. Either the boards should have been fixed for free, or replaced for free* if a fix wasn't possible.
*= IIRC, the "upgrade" deal was just a small reduction on the ordinary price of an "XE". If not totally free of charge, one could at least expect to have a faulty and unavailable product replaced with a newer available model if one only has to pay the price difference between the two models.
The XE's have had issues that are all surmountable - most XE owners are happy with them. I only hear people complain and {bleep} about A1 and Eyetech when they don't own one and have no intention.
Are you saying you haven't heard the complaints from the actual owners, then? Royally pi$$ed-off people don't count?
And why would the opinion of people who aren't customers not count? We want to buy AmigaOS, and so Eyetech are/were the only ones who we are/were allowed to buy hardware from. And what about those who MIGHT want to buy AmigaOS, but see all this? IMO, the solution is not to ignore or shut up about the problem in order to "con" more people, the solution is to solve the underlying problem (in whatever way; I think I've already said how I'd like to see it done).
Are you seriously suggesting that Eyetech or any company in this tiny, fragmented market can offer the same after sales support that IBM, Apple or HP do?
Actually, they're supposed to offer BETTER support than eg. Apple. That's one of the stated reasons to why we should have a tiny, fragmented market in the first place, and why we're only supposed to be allowed to buy hardware from Eyetech, and pay extra for it.
Apple haven't bought a licence to sell OS4 with their hardware, which according to AInc's/Eyetech's own words makes Apple's (and anybody else's) hardware potentially "substandard" and the vendors unable to provide "guarantees on product quality, delivery, and most important of all post sales support, with firm commitments to repair, replacement and turnaround". :D
So yeah, considering the officially alleged reasons for inventing the whole compulsory licensing scheme, considering this is what people are supposedly paying extra for, and considering that Eyetech only have like a tiny fraction of a percent of the number of customers to support that Apple have, one would at least expect the legislated minimum warranty to be honoured.
I also heard in another thread that the ACK PowerVixxens are soon (next month at latest) to be shipped to dealers and that the product range will include CPU modules for A1's at reasonable prices.
Being cheaper than an "AmigaOne" isn't the same as having a reasonable price. It's difficult to be more expensive. :) And both those options, assuming they will materialise, are even worse "general desktop computing" hardware options and less competitive than the Terons/"AmigaOnes" were in 2002, which I think is quite a feat!
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xeron wrote:
@Wilse
Have you tried replacing the clock battery?
Not yet but I will, desoppite being fairly sure it will be a pointless excercise.
The A1 won't boot with a dead battery for some reason..
... but apparently will still give some serial output. Mine doesn't.
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@Wilse
Try anyway, the battery is: CR 2032 It cost much more less than a new system :-)
I read sometimes you are unable to get serial output with a non working battery.
Let us know, goo luck.
@all
Eyetech is working also for us.... i see a new board (micro) from a delaer with my eyes :-P
Alan sucks at marketing and comunication you know.
I don't know about Alan as a person, but the whole "AmigaOne" venture has been dishonest from its unnecessary birth to its miserable end.
Oh ROFL. Again... you have too much free time guy!
I'm happy with my A1, and it has working usb, working dma, working onboard sound... it is really pathetic that in every amiga forum you go, you can se Seehoud rant about Eyetech... get a life, really.
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ironfist: {bleep}.
I have quite a few broken BPPC's and 1 CSPPC , phase5 and DCE both screwed up and then Bplan (who made the pegasos1-2 and bla bla yababababab) .... well bplan can't send my stuff back either.
Yes BBRV(and computer city) tried to fix the problems but as usual when bplan/dce/p5 is involved...no go.
As for Peg2 boards beeing shipped back and forth, sure but i wont belive it till i see it but i guess you're point here is that you wanted to make sure eyetech looked very evil compared to genesi/bplan........
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Wilse:mine never gave any serial output when the battery died (was infact 1 month ago so i remeber it very well) .
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@ikir
Eyetech is working also for us....
They are? I haven't seen them working for me yet. Since they are not even able to sell me something or answer emails... What more can I do? Beg them on my knees "Please, please, sell me something, my beloved vendor!" or what do you propose to "get them workin' for me"?
i see a new board (micro) from a delaer with my eyes
"A" new board? Singular? Possible... :lol: Otherwise: Keep on dreaming! :-P
I'm happy with my A1, and it has working usb, working dma, working onboard sound... it is really pathetic that in every amiga forum you go, you can se Seehoud rant about Eyetech...
It is really pathetic that in every Amiga forum I go, I see Ikir repeating-to-death how happy he is with his A1, that it even works, is not broken, (...), without having ANY clue in what situation we are currently and without showing ANY respect to people (Seehund) who have chosen NOT to live in a dreamworld which is about to collapse.
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Eyetech is working also for us
alan redhouse is a complete screw up, he has done more harm than good (same as ainc). OS4 is hardwareless thanks to that so-called "HERO" and now he is in hidding counting the ca$h he has fiddled out of the mugs.
What makes it even worse, in the 90s eyetech was a very decent and popular company.
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@ humppa
I post only on Aw.net and iksnet usually.... Stop trying to make me the bad guy.
I see Ikir repeating-to-death how happy he is with his A1
I see nosense post from people who don't own an A1, and they said A1 is crap, i reply no, itsn't crap. Simple or not? :-O
Respect? For who? A troll with too much free time? Indeed even if Alan make wrong decision i respect more him for using money to give us hardware.
without having ANY clue in what situation we are currently
I know much more that you think about amiga situation, OS4 and new hardware.
now he is in hidding counting the ca$h he has fiddled out of the mugs.
Funny... making money in this market is quite impossible.
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Jeezus Seehund, change the {bleep}ing record already.
Any valid points you're making are getting drowned out by your own ranting.
If people want to be gulible enough to believe something in the face of cold hard facts, nothing you say is going to change that. Getting into a point for {bleep}ing point argument certainly doesn't help your cause.
I still can't work out if you're genuinely concerned, or just an attention whore.
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Savan wrote:
Eyetech is working also for us
alan redhouse is a complete screw up, he has done more harm than good (same as ainc). OS4 is hardwareless thanks to that so-called "HERO" and now he is in hidding counting the ca$h he has fiddled out of the mugs.
What makes it even worse, in the 90s eyetech was a very decent and popular company.
Counting what cash?
~1000 A1's sold over the last four years at $1000 apiece, of which maybe 30% is profit is still only $300,000. That's $75,000 a year, or £42,000. If he had two staff and paid them £20k each a year he'd be left with £2000. He'd have earned more than that stacking shelves in Tescos's 1 day a week.
Like Alan said, it would have been cheaper for him just to pay every AmigaOne owner $500 not to buy a board.
There is no market for Amiga hardware - anyone making hardware for this market and expecting to make money is delusional. I doubt either ACK or Troika expect to make any money - they're just long time Amiga users / fans with hobby projects.
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lempkee wrote:
Wilse:mine never gave any serial output when the battery died (was infact 1 month ago so i remeber it very well) .
Interesting and encouraging - cheers.