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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Amiga Emulation => Topic started by: Macman on January 11, 2006, 05:09:36 PM
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I didn't think I was stupid, until I tried to set up E-UAE.
I have a very good working knowledge of Amigas, emulation, and WinUAE. I have my Amiga roms, test ADF's ready to go.
But, I am almost ready to admit defeat :-?
Is there such a thing as a guide to setting up E-UAE with Hi-Torro ?
Apple have just released an intel Dual core iMac and laptop, this will have big implications for emulation on the Mac, for the better I think.
One of the most exiting things will be being able to run Windows on the Mac at almost native x86 speed. It runs pretty well on my iMac now but will only get better.
Although will this mean that emulator writers will get lazy and rely on the windows ports of emulators instead of building native versions for multiple OS's?
Thanks a lot for any help.
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You're not alone! I gave up months ago on my Powerbook and have the same thoughts about the new IntelMacs running WinUAE.
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Sorry I posted in haste,
Just like to say Hi, I'm new to this forum. Looks like a knowledgeable friendly lot in here.
I'm fairly new to the Mac but know the Amiga and Windows backwards. Hopefully I'll get a good Amiga emulator up and running at some point.
I know you guys would understand that I quite miss my Amiga, I was going to set up the newest AIAB archive on E-UAE.
This is prompted by the excellent AIAB, and also a visit to a very cool website.
HOL Amiga Database (http://hol.abime.net/)
Brought back so many memories, being controversial here I would say that the Mac is the new Amiga! I love my mac in the same way that I used to love my Amiga.
There is no way I have ever "loved" using a PC / windows.
Using my Mac I am now having "fun" using a computer rather than having to tweak and fix it all the time. It's just like using a modern Amiga again, but better.
Oops, just realised I have drifted off topic!
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This is embarasing. Also read (and re-read the docs)
I'm starting to get somewhere, I'm building download locations and a helppages to make it easier for the Mac newbie to set up EUAE.
I have now got a starting point of a working Amiga on my Mac, I was using a limited account, and needed to make changes in an Admin account. I did this low level installation stuff with fast user switching.
Thing is I was in the middle of rendering and saving an H264 movie. I was stunned to see my movie still happily rendering away for me, whilst me (as another user) made an alteration to the OS, and then ran EUAE with my movie still rendering in my limited profile.
Erm, my emulated Amiga seems to be running at full speed, even though I am rendering a movie, and typing on this forum.
The Mac is awsome to do all this at once, so easily.
Now all I have to do is configure it, put my fav games one click away, then try to configure my Sony playstation joypad through a USB converter, not sure if that works in this version of EUAE.
I have the hard disk contents from my A1200 to move, another vitual HD to make containing AIAB and another containing Amiga Forever.
My movie is still rendering, and my Virtual Amiga is asking me to insert a floppy. ;)
Thanks for the help, I have been weak and also purchased the Cloanto 2005 CD/DVD set as I feel an Amiga nastalgia weekend approaching :-)
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Hi there - and welcome!
Have you actually got it all up and running happily? I too had difficulties getting it all running, and eventually determined that my KS3.1 ROM was corrupt (or something!) - unfortunately I haven't quite figured out where the relevant files are stored on the AF 2005, so I'm running using the CD32 ROM from an earlier version of AF that I transferred from my old PC...
What Mac are you using? Sounds like it's a bit more capable than my mini... :-)
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Macman wrote:
Brought back so many memories, being controversial here I would say that the Mac is the new Amiga! I love my mac in the same way that I used to love my Amiga.
There is no way I have ever "loved" using a PC / windows
I know exactly what you mean. Somehow using MacOS X feels like using the Amiga to me, even though they're really not that similar. It's weird :-)
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I have got it up and running It is not quite as fast as I thought, it seems to be that the more chipset functions that are in use at the same time, the slower it gets.
Workbench will be fantastic though, epsecially with RTG. I'm not displeased with it's performance for games yet, as I havn't started tweaking it yet.
I should be able to set up two folders with games that work best with an emulated A1200 and those that don't need that level as an A500.
The trick seems to be to turn off everything in the emulator you don't need.
Each folder then can run a custom UAE setup depending on what the game needs, shouldn't be to hard. Then I just need to drop the games into the correct folder to be configured.
When I get my AF I'll include that in any guide I make.
I'm using a 17" iMac G5 with a gig of ram (ram really helps with emus) and a 250gig HD. The 20" iMac is faster.
The new intel iMac is 2-3 times faster. With a new native intel OSX version of EUAE - this should be awesome.
EUAE is also faster running full screen, but I'm running it in a window at the moment.
I'll have to dig out my Amiga benchmarking software. It's early days yet. I've only just got it booting and running a demo or two....
It was cool when my Mac audio blasted out "Fisrt there was menace, now a DMA design game - Blood Money!" :-)
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Mac feels like an Amiga?
It's the closest I've seen, there are even things like LIBS (library folders) that do similar things on the Mac.
I think the reason it feels the same is that they are both elegant systems.
I mean, what is the point of the registry :lol:
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OSX on the Mac is a very cool Unix.
Amiga OS was also based on Unix underpinnings when it was developed, there are lots of similarities.
Fedora Core 4 (x86 Linux) also feels like this.
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For some reason or another UAE has never been quite complete on superior OS's such as ANYTHING not winblows. It's very ironic. :/
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This is my first (very brief) post on this site.
I installed E-UAE on a G5, iMac and Powerbook a couple of months ago and have been playing with the various settings etc...
A E-UAE beginers guide is a great idea as it took me ages to piece the various bits of info together.
If you need a hand with your guide Macman, I'll do my best to help.
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It took me sometime to get E-UAE working on my iBook, it's a bit to slow to be useable (iBook g4 800) but it still comes in handy now and then when I don't have a real amiga around.
As for OS X being simialr in feeling to AmigaOS I couldn't agree more. To me it even is the new AmigaOS, because it is the only inovative OS around and that is what amiga used to stand for (atleast for me). You can't really say that MorphOS or OS4 is inovative, really cool yes but inovative no. When the amiga came it borrowed a lot from the *nix world and made it useable, apple have just taken it a step further by giving us a full blown *nix enviroment that just works.
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XDelusion wrote:
For some reason or another UAE has never been quite complete on superior OS's such as ANYTHING not winblows. It's very ironic. :/
I agree, although I've come to regard Windows as a sad excuse for an OS, I suppose they have done pretty well with x86 backwards compatibility which has always hampered what windows could have been. It became more hard work than fun, so I switched to the Mac, and haven't regretted it for a second. ;)
The most modern fast and up to date emulators are ALWAYS written for windows first, I've got no problem with that. Although I have found some excellent emulators for OSX, I will be setting up other machines on my Mac soon ish.
This is an Amiga forum though, so I thought I'd start with one of the hardest computers to emulate. Unfortunately EUAE is lagging behind WinUAE, but good effort I say, keep up the good work. I am pleased with it so far....
Bravo to the author of EUAE, Hi-Torro interface, the AmigaInABox developer and not forgetting the SDL library creators. If we didn't have these people, you would be forced to use Windows to emulate an Amiga. ;/
I forgot to mention the excellent work undertaken by Cloanto, they have EUAE on a bootable CD using a custom boot knoppix unix distro for PC's. So bravo to them too, long may they stay in business. When my platinum AF arrives I should be enjoying watching the DVD history videos as well.
Getting there. There will be screenshots to come.
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RATS, I'm having trouble with my filespace to add screengrabs, is there another method? or can I mail them (3) to someone to post here? Sorry.
I have 3 interesting screengrabs of EUAE working on my iMac they are not big.
AIAB.PNG 640k Image of a slight problem I am having setting up picasso with AIAB, can anyone work out the problem?
Wizball.PNG EUAE 832k Wizball running on my Mac, the first game I got when I bought my Amiga :-)
Wizball.PNG 68k window of it running at full speed.
the only thing you can't experience is the sound... can anyone lend a hand to get these pics on the forum?
Thanks.
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I used to emulate a Mac on my Amiga, now I emulate an Amiga on my Mac ;)
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There are some screen grabs over in the images section of this site in Miscellaneous Amiga Images....
I'm having a spot of bother getting the latest AIAB running, does it look like I am missing a command in 'c' or a LIBS?
Everything looks ok. I can get around it, but for the sake of making the guide easier to follow it would be good if the install sequence didn't fail.
Cheers all.
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My offer of help seems a bit redundant now, as you've already got farther than I did. I looked at the Mac instructions for AIAB and gave up.
It's amazing how nostalgic a boot up screen can make you feel. I still remember being amazed the first time I used the "Undo" button in Dpaint.
Straying off topic a bit, I agree that Mac OS X is probably the closest spiritual successor to the Amiga, but there is one big difference. In it's day, the Amiga was a top games machine, as well as being a PC. The Mac currently doesn't have the same gaming status.
I was thinking that it might be a good idea, and less daunting to new users, if "E-UAE on Mac OS X" had a more memorable name. Like Winuae. At least something more compact! X-UAE? iUAE? Maciga?
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I still feel like there is a long way to go for me to master both the Mac, and Amiga emulation.
Nostalgia :-) is cool, for those of us of a certain age, cough ;) DPaint! awsome, in the days when EGA was good and VGA was just appearing, I remember making video work that few could work out how it was done, as that level of technology didn't exist on the PC ;)
Wizball was the first ever thing I loaded onto my Amiga 500 when I bought it, so it had to be the first thing I tried on my Mac.
Being a top games machine I think is less important for a computer nowadays. You are absolutely right, but I'd say the struggle with gfx drivers, installing games, getting lazy programmers to make sure their software works in a limited account, and the cost of gfx card upgrades (PC) outweighs the fact that it is better to leave your computer doing computery things, and go buy an xbox, playstation2/3 or PSP for your gaming fix.
I may be the only one that thinks this, but I prefer a computer with the best OS / software and technologies money can buy busily making a DVD for me, while I play Grand theft auto on my playstation 2 or PSP.
I don't think it matters as much anymore, or should matter?
Getting back on topic, oops. I recieved my copy of AF today ;) That was quick. So I should be able to include AF installation instructions for using the ROMS and WB from it in a short guide to setting up EUAE.
I suppose as a short name EUAE covers it, as that describes the (E)nhanced version of open-UAE that has been compiled for all platforms, including Windows - although winuae is quite a way ahead.
So we should just call it EUAE.
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I completely agree that gaming on PC's is a pain with all the driver issues etc... The Amiga was, in that way, a lot more like a console. The mac never was, or is.
"Nostalgia is cool, for those of us of a certain age, cough ;) DPaint! awsome, in the days when EGA was good and VGA was just appearing, I remember making video work that few could work out how it was done, as that level of technology didn't exist on the PC ;)"
Bit before my time! I'm AGA age.
Back on topic, I was thinking some custom OS X icons for the various E-UAE folders would be good. What do you think?
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Thank gawd for that! I've finally managed something useful, after several hours of struggling with Amiga forever, I have got a good working setup running in EUAE on my Mac.
Go check out the images part of this site, and you should see it (might have to wait a bit as I've only just uploaded it)
There was an error that I shall have to let Cloanto know about. This is the second stage of me getting together a guide to setting up EUAE, workbench environments, games, and customising settings for performance.
Is there anything you would particularly want me to cover in this guide? I need to get AmigaInABox working first, then there will be some time consuming testing and I'll write the guide and post it here. It would be excellent if you guys and gals could check it over, and give some suggestions.
Why am I doing all this?
1. I was really pleased, and pleasantly surprised to find such an active Amiga community after all that has happened in the world of Amigas.
2. I needed a guide myself to setting up emulators for the mac and couldn't find one.
3. I go way back both in work and play with the excellent Amiga.
Cheers everyone, I'm quite pleased with myself :-)
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Hello there,
Regarding your difficultues, may I suggest you post a message on the AIAB forum? It isn't quite as active as this one, however the visitors may be able to lend a hand with specific problems.
Cheers,
James
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Excellent, why didn't I think of that.
I will do that, nice to hear from you again oh guru ;)
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I have posted a request for help on the AIAB forum, but nobody has answered :cry:
I know I can probably get around the problem by hacking away a bit, but I was hoping that it would be possible to run the startup-sequence as is, as this will allow other Mac users (or users of Lunix EUAE) to use the excellent AIAB.
I know the picasso side is working as it boots Amiga forever with RTG working nicely. Cloanto also had an error, but it wasn't with the script or install process. I will contact Cloanto about the error they have on their CD's.
I am a new returner to the Amiga scene, what is the latest version of Amiga OS that you can buy? 3.9...
Anyway, thanks for the help
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After getting a reply from the Amiga Man himself, I have now got it working.
I was fixated, getting the "BleedingEdge" archive working. I admited defeat, and tried the 20050606.zip. That worked fine.
AIAB is several times slower than AF on EUAE, the speed issues could be with EUAE, the SDL library or my EUAE config. With the same config settings AF runs about 10 times faster than AIAB!
I have made two configs of AIAB to test with EUAE, one with all the latest bells and whistles, and one with older software which needs less resources.
EUAE seems generally slow on my G5 1.7Gig iMac. Its not the Mac's fault ;) I am also running virtual PC 7, and can happily run Windows XP on my Mac at very good speed indeed, faster than some real PC's I know!
I have posted an image to 'Misc Amiga Images' of EUAE running Amiga in a box on my iMac G5
Now for lots of testing, unfortunately this might be a bit slow, as I have started a course at the Open University ;)
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Is a beginners guide to setting up EUAE on a Mac PPC still being written by someone in this thread? I hope so, I am waiting on a part to get my Titanium 1gHz G4 Powerbook working again and would like to emulate the Amiga on it, instead of using WinUAE on VirtualPC.
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Hey, fancy seeing you here!
Glad you got it all working (albeit slowly...) - may I ask which course you shall be studying with OU? I am rather considering a pursuing self-study options.
Thanks,
James
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amigadave wrote:
Is a beginners guide to setting up EUAE on a Mac PPC still being written by someone in this thread? I hope so, I am waiting on a part to get my Titanium 1gHz G4 Powerbook working again and would like to emulate the Amiga on it, instead of using WinUAE on VirtualPC.
Yup, that was me planning to do an EUAE guide, mainly because when I was looking for one I couldn't find one. I have all the details / downloads / install methods / and how to use with both Amiga forever and Amiga in a box.
I just need some testing time, and time to set up a couple of EUAE configs to make it easy to run Amiga games optimised for a500 and a1200 by double clicking.
The only other thing I might need is somewhere to host it, that would be most beneficial to Amigans looking for said guide.
Watch this space!
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jmbattle wrote:
Hey, fancy seeing you here!
Glad you got it all working (albeit slowly...) - may I ask which course you shall be studying with OU? I am rather considering a pursuing self-study options.
Thanks,
James
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Cheers, I should stop thinking I always need the latest stuff. ;) At least I am using the latest SDL lib and latest EUAE - I'd love to hear from the authors of both about what is planned.
I am studying T224 from the Open University, looks quite easy (famous last words). After a few courses I can turn those into a diploma in IT, which will convert to a degree in IT after adding a few more courses.
This way I can qualify for something very quickly, whilst using the same courses to count towards a degree.
It's just mad enough to work :-)
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I downloaded UAE for my Mac (G5, 1.8Ghz, 3 Gb Ram, ~1 Tb HD) and was presented with something that made very little sense to me.
I've been an Amiga user for about 16 years, so I know the ins and outs of the Amiga, but Emulation never really interested me, other than as a curiosity.
However, this is now changing. My trusty 3000 has started to behave oddly, and I am fairly sure it is in a slow death spiral. I've backed everything important up to the Mac, so it would make sense to get an emulator running on it.
If anyone would be willing to point the way, I would certainly appreciate it, because after reading the docs, I'm only more confused. :-/
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Macman wrote:
amigadave wrote:
Is a beginners guide to setting up EUAE on a Mac PPC still being written by someone in this thread? I hope so, I am waiting on a part to get my Titanium 1gHz G4 Powerbook working again and would like to emulate the Amiga on it, instead of using WinUAE on VirtualPC.
Yup, that was me planning to do an EUAE guide, mainly because when I was looking for one I couldn't find one. I have all the details / downloads / install methods / and how to use with both Amiga forever and Amiga in a box.
I just need some testing time, and time to set up a couple of EUAE configs to make it easy to run Amiga games optimised for a500 and a1200 by double clicking.
The only other thing I might need is somewhere to host it, that would be most beneficial to Amigans looking for said guide.
Watch this space!
Great, I'll be watching and waiting for it. I am also going to contact the guy who put together AmiKit which works on PC's with a person's copy of Amiga Forever, Amithlon, or WinUAE and AmigaOS3.9. Maybe he can be persuaded to do an AmiKit install for the Mac. I have been pretty impressed with AmiKit on my son's PC w/Athlon64 3000+.
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Great, I'll be watching and waiting for it. I am also going to contact the guy who put together AmiKit which works on PC's with a person's copy of Amiga Forever, Amithlon, or WinUAE and AmigaOS3.9. Maybe he can be persuaded to do an AmiKit install for the Mac. I have been pretty impressed with AmiKit on my son's PC w/Athlon64 3000+.
Warms the {bleep}les of an old Amigans heart ;) Passing Amiga and computer knowledge down to your Son. Nice one. I've not heard of AmiKit, does it run in WinUAE or replace the OS like Fellow?
My biggest test of EUAE will be a couple of games that hammer the chipset, such as Gloom and the killing grounds. I also have a soft spot for skidmarks that I rediscovered recently, this title has a special place in my memory as it was developed initially where I work! And I was involved in it's testing.
I was wondering if there are plans to host documents and guides to help Amigans on this site? in a similar way to the Images section. Personnaly I would be very interested in reading the Linux guides to using EUAE and distributions on PC's.
Emulators are fab (you can guess I've been a fan for a while) as I can run a spectrum game in a window, while my emulated Amiga renders some video, which then feeds into imovie for some video editing to go to idvd on the Mac to produce pro looking Amiga generated video DVD, all while playing commando on the spectrum.
Emulation is where it is at, I can even run Windows XP on my Mac (if I feel the need) ;)
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Macman I must kneel at your feet! You were involved with the skidmarks series! I lost far too many hours to that brillant game. It was the thing that got me interested in 3D work. I remember trying to make my own cars in Imagine using the tutorials. That was a challenge on a stock A1200!
Anyway, the main point of this post is that I have done a few custom OS X icons for E-UAE. I don't know if you're interested in including them with your guide. They're not the most amazinig icons ever, but hopefully better than the generic ones. I've posted a screenshot in the Miscellaneous Amiga Images area.
Gloom runs sloooowly on anthing but lowest settings I've found.
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Steady on! ;)
Anyway, I must say I am impressed with your icons. I particularly like the subtle beachball reflections on both the large and small beachball.
Where can I download them?, I'll certainly include the link in the guide.
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I'm working on setting up a self promo web site, but that will be a while yet. I think what I'll do is set up a simple temporary one in the mean time, as I've got a couple of other bits, as well as the icons, I'd like to make available. I'll post here when it's up.
Actually, thinking about it, rather than kneeling I should be asking for all those lost hours (days?) back I spent driving a cow round a track!
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Macman wrote:
Warms the {bleep}les of an old Amigans heart ;)
:lol:
Great example of mistaken censorship :) We had a similar problem at work where our Mail Sweeper started blocking email with the word "Skittyhorpe" in it ;-)
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Hi all,
I've finsihed my EUAE Mac OSX guide, just a few screen grabs to add. I've had to fit it into lots of other work, so sorry it took so long.
I am also making optimised .EUAERC config files for all the things you can run with Amiga Forever, so that they work well on my Mac, hopefully yours too. I hope to expand on the guide with your input, so that I can add more to it.
I plan to add more detail in getting the most out of EUAE's configuration options.
Anyone fancy hosting the guide (PDF) and the config files? My own website is very out of date, in fact its a complete mess.
I'd be embarrassed to show it to you all ;)
A little bird tells me that EUAE for Mac might soon be openGL based.
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Hi there again,
Here it is goto link at the end of this message to download the guide for installing and running EUAE on the Mac.
My webskills are, erm, not that hot anymore. I liked the idea of a blog, but I only realised at the last minute that there seems to be no file upload that isn't a picture :-?
So there is a slightly messy way of getting to the guide, through a yahoo briefcase, it's in the shared folder.
I'll improve things later when I have some more time.
Sorry it took so long. http://emacdome.blogspot.com (http://emacdome.blogspot.com)
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@Macman
"Replace the os as Fellow"????
What do you mean exactly? Fellow is a emulator like winuae. I don't understand what you were trying to say. Is possible to replace the shell with fellow?
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Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. I think you may have got the wrong end of the stick. The guide I have posted, was my first attempt to guide people through installing Richard Drumonds EUAE port for the Mac OS 10.3 to OS 10.4.5.
Actually I would be very interesting in an x86 binary that could be a native OS to a PC allowing it to boot Amiga OS, with no underlying OS at all.
If you have found an error or something that doesn't make sense in the guide, please leave a comment on the blog and I'll make some changes.
The guide was specifically written for Mac owners. Hope that helps.
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Is it something I said?
Either my getting EUAE working on your Mac guide is really good or really bad. Nobody has said anything, no comments on it being 'not bad first draft' or 'complete rubbish' I don't mind, some feedback would be good.
I'll post on a couple of more sites, to see if I can get someone to read it. ;) You guys seemed really keen early on, maybe it just took me too long to make, or it's just pants ;)
Cheers all.
emacdome.blogspot.com (http://emacdome.blogspot.com) if you've not gone there already, I'd love someone to leave me a comment
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MacMan, your blog is set so that only "Team Members" can post comments (I tried posting to it). The guide seems fine (missed the bit about pointing Hi-Toro to where EUAE is).
A list of combinations of processor, chipset and memory settings for standard machines (A500, A500+, A1200, A4000 that sort of thing) would be greatly appreciated.
I've been having trouble getting EUAE to run on my Intel Mac and was wondering if the symptoms pointed to something other than an incompatibility with Intel Macs. I've installed the SDL library, dug out my Kickstart ROM and fired up EUAE through Hi-Toro. Hi-Toro does its whirly thing and then a Terminal window opens for a split second and then closes.
I ran the Unix Executable for EUAE and it goes through a fair bit of configuring (it can't initialise the GUI though - but I think I'm right in saying that the OS X build doesn't have this). It then gets to the line about setting the PAL (or NTSC - I tried both) and then the following line says "Illegal Operation" and Terminal stops.
Intel issue or something simple? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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I've set my blog to allow anyone to comment now. I knew I'd missed something, thanks for that. will do a bit of editing re:Hi-Torro config.
The list sounds useful, very interested on what is happening on your intel Mac. Unfortunately I'm not lucky enough to own one. But we have just acquired one of the wonderful beasts at work.
I might be able to do a little testing, as we have both G5 and intel Macs at work! Alternatively, I can think of nothing better than contacting Richard Drummond.
A little bird tells me that it might only be a matter of weeks until a new version of EUAE is released. I suspect SDL lib problems for you on an intel Mac though. Do you have any other software that requires SDL that works ok?
I think it might be SDL on intel OSX. Try another emulator that needs SDL, if it fails when trying to initialise a display then it is SDL / OSx86 at fault.
Thanks very much for the comments, very useful indeed.
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I dont think an emulator can ever replace the classic amiga when it comes to games that hit the chipset. As you said, the emulators works perfectly well in rtg using workbench and software, but you will never get the true realistic experience when it comes to games. A pc/mac just wont be able to render for example scrolling as smoothly as the real thing and it is also very hard to get audio totally synced with gfx even on a modern pc.
I believe also e-uae lacks vsync to refresh rate, which will cause the grapchics to tear during movement, which is something that never happens on the real amiga.
But then again, i am very picky about this stuff and some people will probably not even notice these problems.
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You're right, although I separate Workbench and games into different emulator setups. What is good for workbench often isn't good for chipset.
I have been very impressed with Win-UAE running chipset hitting games, when you think about it, it is amazing it works at all. I get very smooth results from Win-UAE. Being able to tripple buffer in hardware helps I'm sure.
EUAE on the Mac goes through a gfx rendering layer (the SDL framework) so is bound to be not as good.
Both emulators are highly accomplished, I hear that EUAE will impliment vsync soon. But you are right, you can notice tearing during some games if you don't customise their settings.
I'm quite picky too, and notice gfx rendering faults. I am making .EUAERC config files for Mac G5 & Hi-Torro. These run demos and games well on the Mac, I am making special config files for Workbench's, and config files for ECS and AGA games.
EUAE&SDL render very much faster when used in full screen.
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Forgot to say, I still have my real Amiga. Unfortunatly it is in a cupboard with the Monitor in the loft! ;/
Unfortunatly I don't have enough space to set it up, hence the reason I really like emulators.
Emulator writers are the most talented of all programmers!
There is no way I will ever sell my Amiga, it will be set up one day ;)
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can someone help me plz with create correct config of E-UAE for my PowerBook G4 (1.5 GHz PPC) to play some games (Supaplex, Doofus, Stormlord) at proper speed and close to native?