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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: motorollin on January 07, 2006, 12:08:27 PM
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Q (http://www.kberg.ch/q/) is a virtual machine for MacOSX. It has the ability to simulate a PowerPC machine.
Not wanting to start a flame war here, but I would love to see MorphOS or OS4 ported to run inside this. Not being a programmer, I have no idea what would be involved in this. Probably more work than I could imagine. But it's a nice pipe dream :-)
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moto
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Wo-ho-hoo-ho-hoo...
:-(
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Umm, what?
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moto
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I'd just be happy with OS4 running on my Amiga :lol:
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Aaww, I thought this was a Star Trek thread .
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Heh, yeah good point :-) But unfortunately I can't afford the hardware required for OS4 or MorphOS. Also, I would miss the custom chips if I moved over to AmigaOne/Peg. Heyyyyyy, maybe Dennis' Minimig could be remodelled in to a PCI card so the AmigaOne could use the Minimig's 68k processor, Paula etc, for playing old games!!!
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moto
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yoodoo wrote:
Aaww, I thought this was a Star Trek thread .
Sorry, we're not discussing the Continuum :-)
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moto
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But unfortunately I can't afford the hardware required for OS4
Its been that long since I've read anything about OS4, I forgot what the requirements are :crazy: is'nt it just a PPC thats required :-?
I have been sitting for awhile thinking about a replacement for the PC (Amigaone and Mac) but I do have alot of favourite games and other software, I do like on the PC but if I'm picking this Q up right then it will be able to emulate a PC well windows atleast. So I better head off and read abit more about Q.
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nasty wrote:
Its been that long since I've read anything about OS4, I forgot what the requirements are :crazy: is'nt it just a PPC thats required :-?
No, it will only run on an AmigaOne. MorphOS runs on Pegasos or Classic Amigas with PPC cards.
nasty wrote:
I have been sitting for awhile thinking about a replacement for the PC (Amigaone and Mac) but I do have alot of favourite games and other software, I do like on the PC but if I'm picking this Q up right then it will be able to emulate a PC well windows atleast. So I better head off and read abit more about Q.
Yes Q will allow you to emulate an x86 computer and run Windows on it. Probably won't be very good for games, but most apps should run ok.
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moto
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No, it will only run on an AmigaOne.
:pissed: well if thats the case then hyperon leave OS4 alone and start releasing Gorky17 :-P give us classic users something new.
This amigaone gets more confusing everytime i learn something about it.
I think im just gonna stick with my upgraded classic amiga and my PC (which has been upgraded itself one or 2 times and that was'nt that cheap either)
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What's Gorky17?
Unless a reasonably priced OS4 solution is available, I also will be sticking with my A1200. It does everything I need it to at the moment.
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moto
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Another port from windows hyperion Gorky17 (http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz:8080/projects/gorky17/index_html?arch=linux&id=gorky17) but no doubt this will need OS4 :lol:
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Cool! Looks like a pretty good game. The screenshots show it running on what would appear to be OS4.
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moto
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Yip its for OS4 and linux :pissed: owell may aswell buy it for the PC for a fiver :lol:
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No, wait 8 years for the Amiga conversion and pay 4 times the price for it... :lol:
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moto
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What just like we all did for nightlong,heretic2 and quake2 :crazy:
Oops I've kinda took this topic right of track now lol
But to get it back on topic, I think i'll go and read abit of the Q forums and see what bench tests they have for the PC emulation just out of interest now
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FYI, you can also run AROS inside Q :-)
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moto
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it doesnt simulate a ppc, it's an x86 emulator.
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But current Mac is already a powerpc machine, so why would you simulate a powerpc inside of a powerpc?
OS4 would run just fine on mac, if hyperion or something wanted to port it. But sadly it seems like the current licensing issues is what stops it from being ported.
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koaftder wrote:
it doesnt simulate a ppc, it's an x86 emulator.
Actually it simulates PPC as well.
(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm244/motorollin/aorg/q.jpg)
The reason for running inside a simulation is so that you don't have to overwrite the existing OS, or write a bootloader to select from multiple OSes. But you are correct Tomas, it could potentially run natively on the Mac.
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moto
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motorollin wrote:
No, it will only run on an AmigaOne. MorphOS runs on Pegasos or Classic Amigas with PPC cards.
That's not true, there is a version of OS4 for classics with PPC boards, and also allegedly for the PowerVixen A1200 add-on.
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Years ago "Q" was supposed to be some super awesome programming language or operating system or something. There was an IRC chat about it and then nothing. Later on I heard that it was a hoax.
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Q really is a great emulator based on QEmu. The UI is very nice and friendly. ArosMAX is sweet on it. (The included DOOM runs plenty fast enough to be played.) I mess around with Windows 98SE on it as well just to compare how well AROS runs against it on the "same hardware". I also use it to test out the latest releases of ReactOS (Windows clone) which is also coming along nicely.
I have not been able to get anything PowerPC to boot on it though... (My YellowDog disc as well as my OS X Tiger installer doesn't do anything.)
Check it out though if you have a Mac... better than supporting MS by buying VirtualPC.
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uncharted wrote:
That's not true, there is a version of OS4 for classics with PPC boards, and also allegedly for the PowerVixen A1200 add-on.
Thats great, where can I buy it!!!!!!!
-Tig
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motorollin wrote:
koaftder wrote:
it doesnt simulate a ppc, it's an x86 emulator.
Actually it simulates PPC as well.
(http://www.pinkdoggy.net/q.jpg)
The reason for running inside a simulation is so that you don't have to overwrite the existing OS, or write a bootloader to select from multiple OSes. But you are correct Tomas, it could potentially run natively on the Mac.
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moto
Man, sorry for the comment i made earlier. Ive been looking for a ppc emulator for a while now. Ive even looked at QEmu before, and didnt notice that it did more than x86! Thanks for pointing that out.
A friend of mine and i are writting a simple kernel for the ppc arch. I know that pear pc can run ppc code, but it seems pretty centered on running OSX and we dont want to use a simulator that focuses on pretty much one OS. Looks like i'll be trying that app out
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koaftder wrote:
Man, sorry for the comment i made earlier.
No problem :-)
koaftder wrote:
Ive been looking for a ppc emulator for a while now. Ive even looked at QEmu before, and didnt notice that it did more than x86! Thanks for pointing that out.
I don't think it's an emulator. On the Mac it probably uses the real PPC processor (like how VMWare on x86 uses the real x86 processor rather than emulating one). I don't think the x86 version of QEmu supports PPC simulation.
koaftder wrote:
A friend of mine and i are writting a simple kernel for the ppc arch. I know that pear pc can run ppc code, but it seems pretty centered on running OSX and we dont want to use a simulator that focuses on pretty much one OS. Looks like i'll be trying that app out
PearPC is a PPC emulator. In theory, I think, it should be able to run any PPC OS, so your kernel should run just fine (assuming PearPC's emulation is accurate).
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moto
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A small motorollo is certainly enough to do a sim of a PPC SYS on an a600!!!
( :-++ )
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Tigger wrote:
Thats great, where can I buy it!!!!!!!
Perhaps next time, before you start with the pathetic attempts at points scoring, you could properly read what is written...
He said:-
No, it will only run on an AmigaOne.
Which, as I've seen OS4 running on an A1200PPC, is clearly not true.
and so I said:-
That's not true, there is a version of OS4 for classics with PPC boards, and also allegedly for the PowerVixen A1200 add-on.
See? I said nothing about availability, just that such a version exists, and that there is alleged to be a version running on PowerVixen.
Way to make yourself look like a prize plonker.
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uncharted wrote:
That's not true, there is a version of OS4 for classics with PPC boards,
Some betatesters have a version, but thats no gurantee (sp) that it will actully be released. It's just as much existing as MOS1.5, PIOS-PPC, BoXeR, etc....
and also allegedly for the PowerVixen A1200 add-on.
Mmmm, now lets get down to the facts:
- Hyperion say (just a good week ago) that there is no HW fo OS4, and given their usual PR-style we can safely assume that they wouldn't have made such a statement if that hope of changing that real soon.
- soon after ACK claims the PowerW^HVixen had gone into production, which (again comparing to his past PR-style) probraly means as little as ordering the PCB for the very first proto.
The PowerW^HVixen would need a lot of adaption (different IDE-controller, slighly different PCI-setup, requirement of accessing AGA etc), so there is absolutly no chance of a working OS4 on it, even if Hyperion would have gotten one hours after the IRC-chat.
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That's not true, there is a version of OS4 for classics with PPC boards, and also allegedly for the PowerVixen A1200 add-on.
Well hopefully Hyperion will release the version for the classic, cause i'm sure I cant be the only amigian that doesnt want a A1
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I can't believe I have to keep explaining this...
Kronos wrote:
uncharted wrote:
That's not true, there is a version of OS4 for classics with PPC boards,
Some betatesters have a version, but thats no gurantee (sp) that it will actully be released. It's just as much existing as MOS1.5, PIOS-PPC, BoXeR, etc....
And I never said otherwise. Did you see the word available in there? No.
As you seem to enjoy "Facts" so much (see below) here is an actual real fact:-
There is a version of OS4 that runs on PPC enabled classic systems.
This is contrary to what motorolin originally said:-
No, it will only run on an AmigaOne.
That's all my post was saying. Nothing else. If you read more into it, it's because you wanted to. Not my problem.
and also allegedly for the PowerVixen A1200 add-on.
Before I go any further, it's probably wise to point out to you, that it'd be a good idea to look up the word "allegedly", it'll save you looking like a pillock again in the future.
Mmmm, now lets get down to the facts:
And then you proceed to give a tiny fact with a huge load of personal assumption, conjecture and spite tacked on the end...
- soon after ACK claims the PowerW^HVixen had gone into production, which (again comparing to his past PR-style) probraly means as little as ordering the PCB for the very first proto.
Oh look! Hilarious! You made a joke about how it's name sounds like masturbation. If it wasn't for the fact I'm laughing my arse off at the irony of someone who states their location as "Klingon embassy in Germany" making a wanking joke, I'd take pity on you for being pathetic.
The PowerW^HVixen would need a lot of adaption (different IDE-controller, slighly different PCI-setup, requirement of accessing AGA etc), so there is absolutly no chance of a working OS4 on it, even if Hyperion would have gotten one hours after the IRC-chat.
Once again, for someone with all the "facts" you've seemed to have missed that Hyperion have said they aren't doing the port to the PV, that is is being handled completely by Adam himself, who also happens to be on the OS4 dev team.
Clearly there is some chance that there is a working OS4 for it. How much of a chance? I don't have a clue, but then I'm not stupid enough to make bold, uninformed statements.
Really, what is your problem?