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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: giZmo350 on January 03, 2006, 06:52:59 PM
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The lastest and worst vulnerability yet. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10684853/)
Attacks all versions of Windows shipped since 1990.
:rtfm:
More........... (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1907562,00.asp)
The M$ response............ (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/912840.mspx)
Guess I'll be surfing on JUST the Mac Mini till after the 10th of Jan! Glad I kept it now! :crazy:
My Win2K webserver should be OK as it is stripped of ALL unessential services and apps. :-D
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Glad I abondoned my PC and switched to Mac 3 weeks ago :-D
Running IBM and Motorola PPC/68k all the way now
But the ordinary "John Doe" goes and buy his PC because it's cheap and it's the only computer he/she knows of and WindoZZZzze ships with it :crazy:
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it is also ordinary "John Doe" that ditch windowsxp, becouse he dont know how to use it proper. and then buy a mac and think all problems are solved...
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Mac's are nothing for gamers or for file sharing online, that I've noticed but for general use and long livety it kicks Windows ass big time
It's not hjust the OS it's how the Mac's are built.
Someone please close this thread, I fear we might have a Windows vs Mac flame war here otherwise, hehe
It's enough to watch the sillyness at Amigaworld.net...but it's very amusing to see grown up persoins acting like kids instead of teaming up give the Amiga platform a big push
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@ c64_d0c
Thank GOD I'm not any ordinary "John Doe"! :-P
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The only true solution for this for x86 users is to install Linux. ;-)
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Yes or WinUAE :lol:
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If you must use windows i recommend these 2 programs...
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Security/Firewall/Peer-Guardian-Pr.shtml
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http://www.majorgeeks.com/download2062.html
Both are free!
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bilko9070 wrote:
If you must use windows i recommend these 2 programs...
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Security/Firewall/Peer-Guardian-Pr.shtml
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http://www.majorgeeks.com/download2062.html
Both are free!
Nice to see another Lemonamigan here :-D
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:-D
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@gizmo350
Attacks all versions of Windows shipped since 1990.
Actually Windows XP and 2003 (http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/archive-012006.html#00000764). That's large part of systems, though.
Guess I'll be surfing on JUST the Mac Mini till after the 10th of Jan! Glad I kept it now!
Community to the rescue: Unofficial fix for the vulnerability (http://216.227.222.95/)
See also Tom Liston's diary entry (http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?rss&storyid=996) from SANS Internet Storm Center.
Direct link to the fix: wmffix_hexblog14.exe (http://handlers.sans.org/tliston/wmffix_hexblog14.exe)
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Enjoy the mac bliss while it lasts. As the user base rises, so will the ammount of discovered exploits. People hailed firefox as a the uber secure browser in beginning, but as it's user base grew, more and more security flaws were discovered.
Really, every system is full of flaws. Which one is better is a matter of opinion and needs. Personally i use a mac and a pc all day long. For development work, i prefer the PC, faster hardware, and i can navigate through apps in windows without having to look at the screen or touch the mouse.
I like the mac for email and web, as there are less known vulnerabilities there. I dont use linux any more because apache/mysql/php/perl/ and dozens of other apps i userun on OSX. Osx is shiney and pretty. Who doesnt like shiny and pretty?
I havent written any osx native software because i dont like xcode and dont feel like learning objC ( mainly because i dont make money writing mac software, so why bother? ). Ive been using realbasic the past week and it's pretty good. Easier than wading through vb.net, more mature than vb6. Applications run on mac/windows/linux without modification, sweet.
What i really want though, is to be able to get to some of the OSX ui stuff through plain old c/c++ like i'm used to with xlib or windows gdi. Why does apple see fit to try and force me to learn a new(old) language thats only usefull on their platform. It reminds me of microsoft and their .net. ObjC and coca, blah
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koaftder wrote:
What i really want though, is to be able to get to some of the OSX ui stuff through plain old c/c++ like i'm used to with xlib or windows gdi. Why does apple see fit to try and force me to learn a new(old) language thats only usefull on their platform.
I cheat with GUI stuff on OSX.
Admittedly, I only code in PureBasic on the Mac, but I wrote a simple little app that turns the XML data produced by XTools Interface Designer into a couple of PB functions that handle setting up the GUI and handle an automatically generated event loop..but I'm still a long way of getting a beta version of iPorn ready.
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Well I just got a friend off of a Windows OS machine, onto a Mac Mini .. perfect fit for him as it's for his landscaping business, all it does is Word, Excel, e-mail and a bit of internet.
Reason he switched was because of a rather nice virus he received, it switched off Norton and then started downloading extra files (ie. more virus's) and turned his machine into a zombie .. pretty clever really but I'd love to meet the guy who wrote it.
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AMIGAZ wrote:
Nice to see another Lemonamigan here :-D
I'm a LemonAmiga member also! :-D
I just never post on the forums. :oops:
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I love it how microsoft bash linux and other open source products for being slow with patch releases...
If such a serious threat was known in the linux world, then i bet a patch would have been released ages ago.
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c64_d0c wrote:
it is also ordinary "John Doe" that ditch windowsxp, becouse he dont know how to use it proper. and then buy a mac and think all problems are solved...
Well, how do i use my winxp properly now then, when there is no official patch released for this security hole?
I guess properly must be=not using it at all while waiting for this fix to be released?
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Hmm seems M$ has abandoned support (http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/internetexplorer/internetexplorer.aspx?pid=internetexplorer) for IE for the Mac! LOL
It F-ing sucks arse anyway I use Safari.
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can't believe that there are people out - that obviously have knowledge about computers (posting on amiga.org should qualify you for that) - still using windows. after so many years of having tons of alternatives :sealed:
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god64 wrote:
can't believe that there are people out - that obviously have knowledge about computers (posting on amiga.org should qualify you for that) - still using windows. after so many years of having tons of alternatives :sealed:
I dont think there are enough alternatives due to lack of software on anything but Windows. I personally use Windows for games and Linux for mostly everything else.
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I dont think there are enough alternatives due to lack of software on anything but Windows. I personally use Windows for games and Linux for mostly everything else.
if you want to play, get a playstation... or *drummroll* a classic amiga. i am not into 3d games, tried them, but i think they suck. nothing new since the doom days. just mixed in a bit of this and that genre and a little graphics update. but as long as you disconnect your windows box from net, playing games is one thing. running a webserver is a complete other thing.
i am just wondering, if there is no alternative for windows, how have i managed, as someone working in software industry, to be windows free for more than 7 years (don't even remember exactly). i must be some kind of abnormal human beeing then :lol:
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i am not into 3d games, tried them, but i think they suck. nothing new since the doom days. just mixed in a bit of this and that genre and a little graphics update.
Yeah right...
You obviously haven't experienced Planetside (online 3D futuristic combat game where you can literally have up to 450 people (150 per faction) all fighting in the same area on a continent (and over 7500 in the world map)...
You must have never seen Battlefield 2, or any other "3D" FPS game where it's so realistic that you're literally ducking and leaning in your chair...
You've never got to experience 50 guys (and gals), all on teamspeak (realtime voice chat over the internet) operating together as a cohesive battle unit, each filling a particular role while you wipe the map with the corpses of 75 enemy. Playing games is never the same after you've got to experience getting to know 30-100 different people who you not only play a game online with, but you're also in constant voice comms with the whole time -- when you aren't in the battle you're BSing about real life stuff... good times, really good times. And those 30-100 are just one tiny group of players in a massive online universe of literally thousands of players from all over the world.
Those games are just two examples of the 20-30 new generation first person shooter type games that make *anything* ever to appear previously on any computer platform (or console) look like a bad game of Pong.
Nothing new since DOOM... what an extremely uninformed opinion you have. :-o
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The WMF patch is out!
Security Update for Windows XP (KB912919)
Use your windows update to get it. :-)
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if you want to play, get a playstation... or *drummroll* a classic amiga. i
I dont like the console way of gaming. I need both a keyboard and a mouse for my games. The Amiga was indeed great, but sadly there is not much games being developed for it anymore. I still enjoy a few classic games on my a500 though.
Sure, you could hook up a keyboard and a mouse to the ps, but only 2% of the games support it and i also hate the fact that the playstation and similar consoles are totally closed for non licensed programmers.
You might like the console way of gaming, but i dont. A computer is superiour in most way imo.
And yes, there is a few alternatives but not so much when you are interested in playing games, which is why i run linux for most stuff while i run winxp for games that dont run under linux.
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by god64:
if you want to play, get a playstation... or *drummroll* a classic amiga. i am not into 3d games, tried them, but i think they suck. nothing new since the doom days. just mixed in a bit of this and that genre and a little graphics update. but as long as you disconnect your windows box from net, playing games is one thing. running a webserver is a complete other thing.
i am just wondering, if there is no alternative for windows, how have i managed, as someone working in software industry, to be windows free for more than 7 years (don't even remember exactly). i must be some kind of abnormal human beeing then
"...i am not into 3d games, tried them, but i think they suck."
What, you've tried -all- of them, and they -all- suck?
"...how have i managed, as someone working in (the) software industry, to be windows free for more than 7 years..."
Going by your attitude toward 3D games it could be because you havent tried anything -new- in 7 years?
...abnormal human beeing?
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I still use windows because no other platform has as a good enough selection of video tools. Tools like Canopus Procoder2 - A high quality batch encoder with a GUI. I would much prefer to use linux so if anybody here knows of anything like Procoder for the linux platform I would love to know about it. The linux community has made great gains in the audio/video area but from what I see they aren't quite there yet. :-)
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The WMF patch is out!
Security Update for Windows XP (KB912919)
Use your windows update to get it.
And remember: If you installed wmffix_hexblog14.exe earlier, remove it before updating...
(I don't know if the unofficial patch can conflict, but it's better be safe than sorry)
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Just use this. No need for firewall
http://www.dingens.org/
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@koaftder
Hopefully, diversification of operating systems might at least mean that one exploit wouldn't automatically affect 90% of systems in existence. I remember reading an article about top level dns systems that use this approach to ensure that an exploit won't take out the entire dns system. The downside of course is for companies that write software and support hardware. Supporting a diverse OS landscape would cost more. Having one, proprietary, closed operating system completely dominating the computer industry makes it a an easy target.
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@catherder
i never played planetside, but i have played other 3d multiplayer war games, i several times took part in a match of savage2 with more then 60 players per party... wasn't impressed too much... still a stupid firstperson/realtime strategy mix. some friends of mine play mmorpg's a lot and i hear them whining about cheaters often. in fact i was a gpl league racer for some time and was confronted with some cheaters. this is why i prefer a 5 player dynablaster with friends over a mmorpg with unknown cheaters a lot. and i still do prefer getting to know new people in real life.
what exactly is the new concept behind battlefield 2?
Those games are just two examples of the 20-30 new generation first person shooter type games that make *anything* ever to appear previously on any computer platform (or console) look like a bad game of Pong.
thats what i am saying... they LOOK better, but they don't PLAY better. the fun in games is a very personal matter, i understand people that are into 3d games. i am not and i think they are not necessary. 3d is now looking as good as handdrawn graphics, but for what price (literally ;) )
@coldfish:
the usual answer from people that have no arguments, personal attack.
no i don't have seen them all, but i have seen a lot and following the gamescene closely. as i started my computer career as a game programmer, i have still friends working in the industry providing me with information. believe me, if you would know me, you would know that you are messing with the wrong guy about having tried nothing new in 7 years, but you don't know me, thats why i prefer personal contact, also in gaming :lol:
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Well, I used to use a number of operating systems (mostly mac, amiga, and a bit of solaris), but always had problems sharing files, because so many people used windows. That was a primary reason for me using windows, and I have to say it's made that issue much easier, and I would not stop using windows for that reason. A lot of programs have claimed compatibility with windows apps over the years, but it never fully pans out. Always some formatting issues, or some features not supported, etc. Unfortunately, just can't avoid the fact that so many users have adopted windows. Between windows and *nix, I can do pretty much everything I need to. It's actually pretty rare for me to turn on my beloved 1200 these days, as it just doesn't do half of what I need.
edit: still hate windows though, and the security is a joke (I don't fully believe that it's just a matter of the user base. M$ coding leaves so much to be desired, in so many ways.)
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I want to ditch windows too, but for a number of reasons:
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I like to play the occasional game with my housemates over the lan, or on the internet
Day of Defeat and Dawn of War is all, really...
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I don't have the time these days to spend all day tinkering with computers - I'm trying to spend more time on my creative hobbies - writing and photography. Windows is just easy, and easy to get help/advice for if you need it.
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Find me a way of playing the odd modern game (I know some DO run on Mac) and I'm sold!
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Well, if you want to see a 3D game that not only is a fantastic GAME but it looks phenominal, has a perfect musical score, and pulls it all off without any death (other than a few ship captains falling overboard) just go buy "Sid Meier's Pirates!". It's one of the very few 'remakes' of a classic that deserves to have the same name as the original.
Another amazing game (again 3D) that isn't a first person shooter is Black & White, another is Command & Conquor Generals, yet another is Grand Theft Auto III, and yet another is Dungeon Siege; "3D" is not limited to first person shooters. The list is almost endless on the PC. Games are better on the PC compared to a console: I can't get into console gaming, they're too limited, they're all gimped to work around 10 options (all the buttons on your controller) and the PC games allow for more variety, updates, expansions, etc. (I even gave my modded xBox to my niece because I never used it). Games that are popular on the PC almost always end up with a community supported modding group where people create new missions, maps, units, characters, options, etc. The value in most new PC games is just that much greater than its console version because of this.
The audio and visual effects of today's games are stunning, when you toss in a great game and great gameplay you end up with a product that it becomes almost unfair to compare anything from the 80s/90s beside it.
All that being said, the reasons I use PCs and Windows is because of Photoshop and other productivity tools (Adobe Encore and Adobe Audition! also get a lot of mileage here), the wide range of website development tools, the wealth of online tools, and finally because I can also play the best games out there when I have time to take a break. :-)
Of course there are going to be security vulnerabilities in Windows operating systems, it's used by over 250 million people. If 250 million people still used an Amiga you bet your arse it would have a pile of vulnerabilities (doesn't anyone remember how many viruses there used to be on the Amiga every week back in the early 90s?). An operating system is only as secure as the number of people trying to exploit and attack it. It has nothing to do with who writes the OS. Just ask any of us who have gone through hundreds and hundreds of patches and security updates and kludges for RedHat and Apache...
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If you want to play games the Mac has plenty. All the great games are out for both Windows and OS X. So what if hundreds of worthless games are windows only?!
World of Warcraft is the same on both machines for example. I wouldnt use Windows to save my life. Never have and never will.
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the usual answer from people that have no arguments, personal attack.
Actually, I was responding to a moronic comment you made about yourself, that youve "played 3D games and they suck." You made a personal statement and I attacked it.
i am not into 3d games, tried them, but i think they suck. nothing new since the doom days. just mixed in a bit of this and that genre and a little graphics update.
How retarded is that statement?
Now that youve added a little more detail, I actually agree with you to some extent, many games dont play much better than DOOM, though I would call that a compliment considering how well DOOM played.
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CatHerder wrote:
Well, if you want to see a 3D game that not only is a fantastic GAME but it looks phenominal, has a perfect musical score, and pulls it all off without any death (other than a few ship captains falling overboard) just go buy "Sid Meier's Pirates!". It's one of the very few 'remakes' of a classic that deserves to have the same name as the original.
I LOVE that game - I always play it when I can't sleep. So much variety, from the 'sack the town' sequences to the dancing(!), and you have so much freedom. The thing is though, I find that even if I don't get distracted doing silly things, I always get really old before I find half my family.
Yeah, I'm gonna look into seeing if I could migrate to Mac OSX..Can I play DoD: Source and Dawn of War? I'll investigate...