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Amiga.org specific forums => New User Introductions => Topic started by: amigaoneproductions on December 07, 2005, 08:30:43 AM
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I will not go into reasons here, but I find myself unable to continue support of the usual Amiga forum that I usually frequent, I was not banned or suspended, I simply wanted to leave. This leaves me looking for a new home to give my support to all things Amiga.
If the residents of this site are in agreement, I will move here right away. I will lurk around for a little while to bring myself up to speed with what has happened here recently, and slowly introduce myself to those that do not know me.
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Dude, that's one mysterious thread topic, indeed :)
I hope to learn a bit about the whole story, but if it's too sensitive an issue, let the technique do the talking :)
Anyway, if what you need is a welcome by the residents, here it is :
(http://www.noside.com/esd/images/ResiIckyPromoPic.jpg)
:-P
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Welcome mate!
Sod politics, hop aboard...
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Welcome! :pint:
You made the right choice - moderation here is definately a lot more relaxed and considered than on AW.net.
At least the friendliness here does not come through tough moderation, but is --real-- instead.
I hope to learn a bit about the whole story
Part of the story is here:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=16361&forum=7
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=16362&forum=7
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So you're dev'ing SW for Amiga ans video ? I'd sure like to know more ! You mentioned a website, but I can't find its URL, can you post it ?
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Welcome Paul!
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Hi amigaoneproductions
I'm afraid I'm one of the people who dont know who you are. But to be honest I dont need too, so welcome to AO :-D
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Hey mate,
Welcome! You don't need our permission to hang out here. It's nice here, I took a break from the Amiga for most of the year (after a bit of a bust up on AW), and I've enjoyed coming back to this site. It's a bit more chilled out here than anywhere else.
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Enjoy your stay here, you'll love the atmosphere here.
This classic oriented Amiga forum is very relaxed but still quite focused and has alot of great members with alot of knowledge.
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Hi Paul
Welcome to A.Org !!
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Hello Paul :-)
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Hi amigaoneproductions, it's great to see you here on Amiga.org - the site which is friendly to ALL Amigans :-D
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Welcome.
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@Red_Melons:
Well said!
What I also like is that you can openly discuss here if you have problems with certain actions taken by moderators. On AW.net such threads are just deleted. No question, no discussion. What moderators say is not to be questioned. Certain actions taken by some moderators there appear a lot more confrontial and close-minded than from the members who got suspended/banned.
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although i don't understand this kind of "extremism"(?) (i'm registered HERE, on AW.net, Ann.lu, MZ etc without beeng "part of" anything or so). . . wellcome :-)
About AW.net . . . no comment :-(
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hey there. how are you?
take your shoes off and sit a spell.
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Welcome dude!
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@Thread
Thanks to all for the welcome, some of you already know a little of what went on over at AW.net, it was the "Moderators are GOD and woe betide anyone who questions" attitude that was the final straw. I had had enough of people being treated like children instead of the the adults that we are.
This site amiga.org was recommended to me by a few people, so here I am.
Appologies to those that already know me, you can probably skip this bit, but for those that don't and are interested, here is a brief intro
For those that do not know me, I run the website www.amigaoneproductions.co.uk, I have spent the last few years producing videos of various Amiga events around the UK, and also the AmiGBG event at Gothenburg, Sweden for the past two years. I am working on this years DVD at the moment (from footage of the event earlier this year).
My history of Amiga use goes back to around 1987 with an A500, I wrote demos and applications which were released as Public Domain and Deja-Vu Licenseware, I was a Beta Tester for Amos so I got free versions of that to play with a couple of years before release.
I was still using Amiga into the mid 90's but defected to PC use because of the lack of Amiga support around that time, but I've been back since the release of the AmigaOne (hence the name AmigaOneProductions ;-) )
My plans for the future are to get back into program development within the coming year, spending less time on video production (which came about completly by accident as no-one else was bothering at the time)
Also for anyone interested, I have the fix details for the AmigaOne XE DMA and USB fixes and can perform this fix in the UK, I have the official details from Eyetech, but due to Non-Dislosure Agreements, I am not allowed to pass the documents on to anyone else.
I am sure you will get to know me over time and what I am interested in (Hint, Starts with an A, five letter long, and ends with an A :-) )
Thanks again for the welcome, I'm sure you will see me around :-)
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:-) Hi Amigaoneproductions :-)
Welcome aboard
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welcome
>am sure you will get to know me over time and what I am interested in (Hint, Starts with an A, five letter long, and ends with an A )
AoogA ???? is that the sound old car horns make your interested in old cars? or old car horns? :-D
ummm ok on an Amiga fan site its probably an Amiga. so welcome to amiga.org
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Welcome :pint:
I don't frequent A.Org (AW sometimes) as I used to cause I'm becoming old in this. I remember sawing that AmigaOS vs MorphOS thread on AW couple of days/week(?) ago and not even bothering with it, mainly because the discussions and arguments are allways the same since 2001/2 :lol:
Overall I think after this site's own episodes in the past it's probably the one more open and wich has more participation of all the diferent Amiga variants. And people are still direct with their opinions discussionwise but remain friendly in the end (normally 8-)). Variety is the salt of life (or whatever), despite with various diferent opinions I think some people are just part of the house now.
The AmigaOS development forum here has helped me ALOT! Not very much movement in the last times but normally you'll find posts are replied, just take a bit longer. AOS4/MOS/Classic/ developers all participate wich is way cool. I'm trying to develop something too but I normally don't say what it is to avoid creating expectations and because my own expectations are not very high(current status is very close to what could be a release though).
Cheers
:pint:
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I tend to keep one foot in each pond and try not to tick off any of the fish in either bowl. Welcome to the other side. I find each has it's own flavor. :-)
Plaz
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Amiga.org is home sweet home.......Nowhere is better than this....
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Gav wrote:
Amiga.org is home sweet home.......Nowhere is better than this....
The Playboy mansion?
I mean no offence guys, you're just not my type. :-D
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Welcome m8
This site has been my spirtal home since 2001, and ive never felt the urge to join another amiga forum. Yes the same old arguments are still going strong, but its a friendly place, always with plenty of help, ideas and inspiration. I tend to read more than post these days(as my post count would imply), but hope to get involved in a yarn with you soon.
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amigaoneproductions wrote:
@Thread
Thanks to all for the welcome, some of you already know a little of what went on over at AW.net, it was the "Moderators are GOD and woe betide anyone who questions" attitude that was the final straw. I had had enough of people being treated like children instead of the the adults that we are.
Welcome :))
There are times on all boards you will get this, yep, even here however, I think AO does a much better job at moderation than AW. Even the moderators themselves get quite passionate at times which I think is great!!
I'm an amiga nutta, but I really only use WinUAE for the speed and graphics. No one here minds that :))
Mind you I'm absolutly haging out for the OS4 release and hardware. I find myself going over to Hyperion and reading the OS4 page over and over again and getting excited every time.
.....I have no life! :( sob
lol :) welcome again mate, enjoy.
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Welcome! Always nice to see more A1 users on here. Most seem to live at AW.net
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JJ wrote:
Welcome m8
This site has been my spirtal home since 2001, and ive never felt the urge to join another amiga forum. Yes the same old arguments are still going strong, but its a friendly place, always with plenty of help, ideas and inspiration. I tend to read more than post these days(as my post count would imply), but hope to get involved in a yarn with you soon.
I agree, I've read and posted on other forums in the past, but this is the only one I come to most days. Lot of nice people on this forum, and the little jokes and chats you can share with them outside of JUST talking about Amigas make it all the more light-hearted. This therefore makes it easier to take disagreements in your stride, you can just joke about it, like taking the piss out of that friend who's a Man U fan (whose team got knocked out of the Champions' League tonight ;-))
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The thing is that every board gets the odd tosser as a moderator now and then, however most are excellent. Don't leave board just because of this - that's what they want you to do.
Best thing is to just sign up to a few, then use whichever has the best active users at the time. I tend to wander between amiga.org and amigaworld.net, although amiga.org is the daddy.
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lorddef wrote:
Don't leave board just because of this - that's what they want you to do.
It has been some time coming ;-) this latest episode was just the last straw :-)
I have actually been signed up as a member here for a couple of years, just never really took part here, although did lurk from time to time.
Hey guess what, my goodbye speech over at aw as been locked, now why am I not surprised :roll:
Anyway, it looks like we are on for completing the AmiGBG DVD over this Xmas holiday, some other work that was planned has fallen though, which leaves a window of opportunity to get this project finished.
The race is on, gotta get the DVD done before the release of OS4 :-D (now some would say that gives me plenty of time, but that's not the positive attitude of us Amigans now is it :-) )
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I always figured (from seeing you at the BB shows) that you had a good relationship with the AW staff.
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uncharted wrote:
I always figured (from seeing you at the BB shows) that you had a good relationship with the AW staff.
Yes I did, and I hope that I still will do, I just don't like the way some of them have treated people lately, they are not all bad ;-)
Don't forget that I am not one of the people who have received a suspension, I came out in protest on behalf of the way I was others being treated. - Even if I did not always agree 100% what was said, I think the following phrase sums up the way I feel:
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".
Source: http://www.encyclopedia-of-world-knowledge.com/default.asp?t=Freedom_of_speech
I suddenly realised what a biased place I was in and did not want to be a part of it any more.
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@amigaoneproductions
You mean you weren't already a member? Wow, I guess it's because I am so used to seeing you on the "usual" site.
Anyhoo, welcome aboard then :-D
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lorddef wrote:
... although amiga.org is the daddy.
:lol:, yeah. Where else can you notch up an 8K post count and not feel ashamed?
It's like Royston Vasey. You'll never leave!
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@Karlos
Funnily enough I have been a member here for quite a long time:
Statistics
Member Since 2003/4/12
Comments/Posts 10
Rank Merely Curious
But up until a day ago, my post count was a lowly 5 ;-) As you can probably tell most of my posting was done elsewhere ;-)
I thought I'd treat this as my re-introduction into the site as I intended to become a lot more active now :-)
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amigaoneproductions wrote:
I thought I'd treat this as my re-introduction into the site as I intended to become a lot more active now :-)
Ah, cool.
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Welcome amigaoneproductions! I'm still a reader/learner but have been a MS user/developer since win ver1. :crazy:
I was a big C64 freak back in the day too. Always wanted to get into Amiga so here I am. ;-) Hope to learn a lot from you as well as all Amiganauts here. :-D
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amigaoneproductions wrote:
Hey guess what, my goodbye speech over at aw as been locked, now why am I not surprised :roll:
Just looked for that but your account seems to be gone all together. They didn't waste much time by the looks of it; did you ask them to remove it?
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Karlos wrote:
amigaoneproductions wrote:
Hey guess what, my goodbye speech over at aw as been locked, now why am I not surprised :roll:
Just looked for that but your account seems to be gone all together. They didn't waste much time by the looks of it; did you ask them to remove it?
Yes, I did ask them to remove my account. It took about 15 mins for my account to die, nice of the mods to try to persuade me to stay wasn't it :-D
My last post is still there at the moment, just locked from futher posts
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=16362&forum=7
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amigaoneproductions wrote:
... nice of the mods to try to persuade me to stay wasn't it :-D
Wow, the anguish. How you put up with all the desperate pleas and emotional blackmail levelled upon you to persuade to stay is beyond me :lol:
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Welcome aop, I'm sure you'll feel right home around here.
BTW, I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this gem from a awnet mod:
And a word of warning for anyone posting additional startup threads to complain about the moderation will get a posting suspension. Follow the ajudication process if you feel slighted, but it absolutely is not up for discussion in the forums. Period.
Kind of speaks for itself.
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@Piru
It sure does :-o
@AoP
Wellcome :-)
I'm another AW.net leaver. Got fed up with the atitude on the site. Funny enough i felt the same thing over here 1-2 years ago. Before OS4 pre 1 was released. Then everyone was bashing OS4 like crazy so i moved to AW.net. But with the time around the relase of OS4 pre 2 things went out of hand at AW.net. And it was all downhill from there so i moved back home ;-)
Now this site is one of the most well balanced Amiga site around. All amigans in one big happy family. Aros/Mos/Classic/Os4/UAE.
Been reading this site since it started but didn't register an account until much later. Anyway i'll stop ranting there. Wellcome once again.
//Niclas
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Hi :-)
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uncharted! good gubbins, you're still around?? :) is married life too hectic for you to continue our little reaction IRC client? :)
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@AmigaOneProductions
I moved to aw.net because I was excited about AmigaOne stuff, and it seemed like that sort of stuff was getting bashed (badly) or ignored in other places. I've got my AmigaOneXE now running OS4, and I love it. I've really enjoyed my time at aw.net over the last few years. :) But OS4 only discussion is starting to bore me. :) I'm starting to read amiga.org a little more, and I've discovered how much I miss the classics discussion. Not only that, but theres a greater variety of people posting here, its not always the same people like on aw.net. Not to mention the classic hardware knowledge here seems unbeatable.
I was under the impression that all amiga-like systems couldnt co exist on one portal, but you guys are showing me otherwise. :)
Now I gotta reupload my scary avatar that was removed a while ago for some reason. :P
Btw.. it would be nice if amiga.org could go to greater lengths to make it more usable with amiga browsers. Thats one thing thats great about aw.net, they go to extremes to make it compatible with our antiquated browsers. But I do realise a large portion of users (maybe even the majority) are browsing on PC's now. :)
I'm not giving up aw.net btw, just browsing both now. :) ann.lu still leaves a sour taste in the mouth. They just want to argue there. :/ (generalisation.. sorry)
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jahc wrote:
uncharted! good gubbins, you're still around?? :) is married life too hectic for you to continue our little reaction IRC client? :)
I've only come back into the scene recently. I just don't think I could keep up with you rock n roll programmer lifestyle, what with all those award cerimonies and interviews (and possibly hot chicks beating at your door, I don't think Mrs Unch would appreciate that):lol:
I'm too swamped with Uni work to even look at a computer for any other reason. Funnily enough, one of my assignments is writing a chat system, got a strange sense of deja vu ;-)
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Just my 2 cents on the issue:
I frequent lots of forums myself but I don't have the time to read every post. I have enjoyed AW.net for a long time, although I agreed that moderation was a bit tight in the beginning. I must admit I didn't see what this particular issue was, but from the name of the thread in question and its rising comment numbers, I knew that it was safe to stay away (long before it was closed).
I totally accept people complaining about moderation, both lack of, or too much. I normally tend to pester mods off-site myself if I feel some decisions are way out of line.
Controversive topics and posts will always arise on a website with a forum, specially when the forum is "on display" and people wanting to provoke gets instant attention of all its users.
One of the "problems" in our community is that we are so few and it makes it much easier to get attention even if you are just making nonsense or deliberately creating trouble.
Being a good moderator on an Amiga site is therefore very hard, and it takes ages to get the hang of it, if you ever. There are thousand of methods to handle discussions so that the majority of users get a site that is worthwhile.
Sometimes a site has decided to have a strict policy with strict rules, sometimes a site doesn't have any rules, other times people with special backgrounds are automatically interpreted to be "trolling", sometimes people with special backgrounds are allowed to circumvent rules.
Website owners has every right to handle moderation on their site the way they see fit. Users of that site are getting a privilege to post there. But on the other hand, let's not forget web site owners also has the privilege of getting users visiting the site.
No matter how one decides to handle or not handle user input on a website, there will always be someone that disagrees. And if you disagree the best thing is to notify its owners with a construtive and polite message about what you find is unfair or incorrect. If that leads nowehere, ignore the threads you know might be unconstructive, or just "vote with your buck" and don't visit the site.
I'm not sure this "I'm a victim!", "Goodbye everybody!" or "The end of the world is nigh!" posts are any point though. A website owner will eventually notice if users don't like his webite, and other users are perfectly able to make up their own opinions.
On the other hand, it's probably an effective way to, again, get attention and inform others of what you feel is unfair. No offense here Paul, I've just seen too many "That's it I'm leaving!" posts on most Amiga sites, and some weeks later it turns out the person is back ;)
I think we can agree though that Amigans are emotional people, we care in vast amounts and some times we might get hurt, "go mental", get very annoyed or just sad, out of stuff that outsiders might consider as a bagatelle.
Amiga.org was once a really active site and at some point it all accumulated into huge rowes and explosive threads. People back then "voted with their buck" and started to visit other forums, or started their own. This way Amiga.org now seems to have few "camp fights". Although camp fights in general are getting less and less on all forums.
Ann.lu resorted to user logins to get rid of the huge amounts of fights, but unfortunately the process of getting a user is too slow (I'm still waiting after some months), and the activity there seems to be very low.
Moobunny has always been totally open and is normally the scene for the most extreme fights, it's also kind of a sanctuary when one wants to criticize other sites, or people without any censorhip.
Amigaworld.net was made to concentrate and house users that favoured one of the Amiga branches and has been a helpful site in that regards.
The same goes for sites like MorphOS-News, MorphZone and AROS-Exec.
Unfortunately it MIGHT seem like AW.net was "too successfull", as with the huge amounts of people joining, it also has brung the trouble makers since it's the site where you get the most attention when osting.
With strict moderation from the start, it quickly gained a bad reputation by the victims of it. Even the loosening up of moderation during the years didn't help to get rid of the reputation.
I think some of the moderators also has been affected by the constant criticism on other sites and has gotten defensive and finally reached a point where every feedback feels like yet another stab. Hence some of them resort too quickly to get rid of any arising problems by putting people or threads away, rather than maybe see if other means can be used, although this is normally the exception and not the rule.
I believe the moderators and site owners of various sites constantly re-evaluate their policies and practice, and I'm sure if it turns out AW.net loses users becaue of its policies, the policies might change.
On the other hand they might also prefer to keep it like it is and accept losses in favour of stability and firm control. That's fine too as there are plenty of alternatives for the ones that disagree and people should accept what owners of sites prefer.
I don't want to start a discussion on what is right or wrong, just tried to summarize a bit, and suggest that it's not the end of the world if a site you frequent does stuff you don't like. Just chill and vote with your buck ;)
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nicomen: good post.
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In hindsight I would say:
nicomen: long post.
:crazy:
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I'd say there was at least £1.77 worth in that one :-)
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@nicomen
Thats quite a good observation of the situation, I had a choice and I took it.
Things may change in the future and I may want to return, but changes are not going to happen quickly, so I don't expect to be going back any time soon.
Moderation is a difficult job, I do not dispute that, but to ban any posts that even begin to question the Status Quo, or worse ban users who comment on something that they do not agree with is plain wrong IMHO. If someone starts posting with bad language or insulting people then of course I would have expected to see a mod or a ban, but for having a different opinion ?
Nobody can get it right all the time but not to accept constructive critisism will not help you improve things.
Just chill and vote with your buck ;)
I am perfectly chilled, and that's exactly what I did :-)
Edit: Spelling
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Just one thing...
nicomen wrote:
I'm not sure this "I'm a victim!", "Goodbye everybody!" or "The end of the world is nigh!" posts are any point though. A website owner will eventually notice if users don't like his webite, and other users are perfectly able to make up their own opinions.
On the other hand, it's probably an effective way to, again, get attention and inform others of what you feel is unfair. No offense here Paul, I've just seen too many "That's it I'm leaving!" posts on most Amiga sites, and some weeks later it turns out the person is back ;)
Leaving AW and the Amiga Scene when I did was the best thing I have done (as far as Amiga stuff goes). I was wasting far too much time arguing with people with closed minds, and getting wound up by people's behaviour. In all honesty I just wasn't really enjoying it.
So why am I back here now? Simple, I'm enjoying my Amiga hobby again (not that I get much chance with all the work I've got on). It took a break from the forums to achieve that.
Do I have anything against AW? Nope, in fact I thanked DavayD for my stay when I requested my account be deleted.
Would I ever go back? Nope. While I read it and get some good info from there, the discussions there don't interest me anymore. My focus now is on my hobby, not in thrashing it out with people.
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@nicomen
I agree with you completely.
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I'm here cos work dont let me look at AW - the url is barred as being a chat site ! ;-)
I used to come here a lot, but stopped when that horrible Red/Blue thing got too much.
I still like AW and havent ever had a problem with mods - the thing is to think and read through before you hit that 'Post' button as with everywhere.
I feel I shall be lurking here no more, and just praying my work firewall doesnt bar this URL !
(I'll still pop into AW when I dial in at home though...)
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A.org is a great site, because it's actually two sites in one!! First you have the Amiga Forum which is a haven of unbelieveable technical knowledge, and tolerant of all Amiga Fans (like AROS par example :-D).
Then you have the Coffee House, where amiga users can chill out and entertain each other. It has it's own culture and is great fun once you get into it ;-)
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besides...
#amiga.org kicks some serious behind!
:-P
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I absolutely disagree with what happened there but I also disagree with something else:
- A MOS user breaks a rule and gets suspended and no one cares. (The way it should be, really).
- Some other certain people break a rule and get suspended and suddently it's all oh-so insanely unfair...
Partial sight.
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amigaoneproductions wrote:
@Thread
Thanks to all for the welcome, some of you already know a little of what went on over at AW.net, it was the "Moderators are GOD and woe betide anyone who questions" attitude that was the final straw. I had had enough of people being treated like children instead of the the adults that we are.
I missed the whole thing, spent a few days putting up lights, and by the time I logged back on, there's not much to see.
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Piru wrote:
Welcome aop, I'm sure you'll feel right home around here.
BTW, I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this gem from a awnet mod:
And a word of warning for anyone posting additional startup threads to complain about the moderation will get a posting suspension. Follow the ajudication process if you feel slighted, but it absolutely is not up for discussion in the forums. Period.
Kind of speaks for itself.
Why? From the AW.net Terms :
Ajudication: Whilst AmigaWorld.net moderation tries to be fair and balanced sometimes errors can occur. If you disagree with a specific instance where you have been moderated then please put your complaint to the Webmaster, an Administrator or another moderator for consideration and possible action. Arguments about specific moderation incidents are not tolerated on the public forum, use the adjudication process open to you.
And since you have selectively quoted me out of context, here is the post in it's entirety.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=16362&forum=7&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0#239430
@AmiGR
That's the whole point, certain people were making such a big deal about MOS users coming there and daring to speak on an OS4 site, and I made the point that they were not the only ones breaking site rules (and in fact, they didn't start the trolling, it was the "red group" who did). What is good for one is good for the other. Sorry, but fair is fair. Some people got their panties all twisted over it. I'm sorry, but I'm tired of seeing others be stomped on just like the OS4 users use to be, just because of their platform choice.
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@nicomen
Wow all these years and I don't think we've ever crossed threads before. Thanks for the help on that cross compiler some months back.
You difinitly have keen insight to fourm politics too.
I've been on amiga.org so long I can't remember when I started. My 2002 join date is just the last time the site was attacked and rebuilt. Wayne when did you set up amiga.org originally?
@thread
Any way I've seen the tide rise and fall so many times on AO, AW, ANN, and Moobunny I hardly notice any more. Passions do run high some times and it's sad when attacks get personal and some choose to leave. Redrumloa comes to mind. Typically I've agreed when moderators step in, but I don't normally agree when I've seen entire threads deleted for the sake of a couple of over reacting posters. I think its a good idea to lock an out-of-control thread some times, but deleting it entirely seems extream to me. But then I don't have the job of a moderator.
Things have calmed down lately across most of the normal sites, but there is always going to be some nim-rods who enjoy gettting a rise out of the "good net citezens".
Plaz
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lorddef wrote:
The thing is that every board gets the odd tosser as a moderator now and then, however most are excellent.
But one board seems to have handpicked the most infamous abusive zealous close-minded barely literate fanatics for moderator duty. The people who were among the most disliked trolls also before "the exodus" are running the show. Yes, tossers is the word. When choosing these people, it seems to have been more important that they were "red" trolls (i.e. an embarrassment to AmigaOS4 and its community) than that they were trolls period.
The people who any sane board owner would possibly consider for moderator duty are a tiny minority of the staff there. Off the top of my head, I can only think of two moderators there who are up to the task, but I'm not a frequent visitor to that site any more.
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AmiGR wrote:
I absolutely disagree with what happened there but I also disagree with something else:
- A MOS user breaks a rule and gets suspended and no one cares. (The way it should be, really).
- Some other certain people break a rule and get suspended and suddently it's all oh-so insanely unfair...
Partial sight.
I'd put it somewhat differently:
- People who don't agree with the moderators get suspended/banned/their posts moderated without violating any part of the TOS. No one on the site in question cares, the world outside the cult points fingers and laughs at the site.
- People actually violate parts of the TOS, this time too blatantly and one time too many to get away despite being of "the right conviction". Suddenly it's all oh-so insanely unfair...
There's an AW.net member who's whining over at Moobunny right now (blaming the "side" he thinks of as "enemies" for his suspension...). Almost every last one of his outright insane ranting and raving posts about Blue Conspiracies et c. have broken the AW.net TOS, but his insanity was always of "the right kind" so he got away with it and was encouraged until recently.
I have no problems with seeing a site enforcing its Terms Of Service. I can avoid a site if their TOS don't suit me. I do have a problem with the publicly posted TOS being arbitrarily applied or ignored in favour of the moderators' personal biases. I have a problem with a site that officially claims to be an "Amiga Community Portal", but doesn't mention in its TOS that "Amiga" only refers to "Amiga, Inc. and its licensees and licensors, and disagreeing with them or discussing other things is a 'secret' TOS-violation".
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That site should be called AmigaONEworld & AmigaOS4world or anything else, instead of pretending to be for everything Amiga.
Welcome amigaoneproductions and enjoy freedom of speech.
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I am from the U.S. and I don't live in the UK, I am used to hearing a lot of wild things at a lot of web sites. In the USA we learn to filter what we read and try to distill reality from the many fictions that we can read everyday.
I too quit posting there, after posting something to the effect that some Amiga folks out there can't see reality of the market vs some fictional account of how they want it to be. One of the board operators there felt I was making a personal attack, even though I didn't name any poster by name and it was just a general comment.
So I felt that this didn't match my freedom of speech so I took it to the main operator of the board. He told me that this definitely wasn't a place of free speech and I had to either go along with what they were saying or I would be removed. I have worked as a board operator for several major companies in the past in the USA and I am not a newbie poster, nor would I make a flame comment directed at someone specifically.
Rather than argue the freedom of speech thing, or reveal who told me to "shutup" because that TOO violates their Terms of Service, I decided never to post on that board again. It's very obvious that they don't like conflict or any negative publicity relating to new Amiga products and honestly the policy seems like one of a company that is using the site as a publicity mechanism rather than an independent free focal point of community.
I am over that whole mess over there and will no longer post. It's interesting for me to see other people having the same problems with what we'd call censorship. My friend who is a law student here at the University of Michigan who is from the UK tells me that censorship and telling you what you can and can't say isn't welcome in that country either.
Of course what do I know I am just the UGLY American, and remember my country invented the Amiga in the first place. With friends like this, the Amiga platform certainly doesn't need enemies and it's turned me off of buying an A1 and OS 4.
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Seehund wrote:
The people who any sane board owner would possibly consider for moderator duty are a tiny minority of the staff there. Off the top of my head, I can only think of two moderators there who are up to the task
Wegster! If there is a balanced moderated on AWN who expresses his views in a well-considered way, than it's definately him! He is the reason why I have not completely given up browsing through their forums.
I guess Mikey_C is NOT the second one you mean!? ;-) :lol:
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humppa wrote:
Seehund wrote:
The people who any sane board owner would possibly consider for moderator duty are a tiny minority of the staff there. Off the top of my head, I can only think of two moderators there who are up to the task
Wegster! If there is a balanced moderated on AWN who expresses his views in a well-considered way, than it's definately him! He is the reason why I have not completely given up browsing through their forums.
You read my mind.
I guess Mikey_C is NOT the second one you mean!? ;-) :lol:
Why not, he was elected "moderator of the year"!!!!111 or some equally otherworldly title. :D
Nah, I was thinking of Coder. There could be more, as I said I'm not frequenting the site any more, but it's the majority consisting of totally unsuitable moderators and their actions that are noticed.
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I guess Mikey_C is NOT the second one you mean!?
Let's NOT make this a personal attack against AW staff members, that is not the reason I came here.
I have no personal gripes with any one person at AW, only the general methodolgy that is used by the mods as a whole. I have met with many of the staff and they have a difficult job to do, I just don't happen to agree with the way they are doing things at the moment.
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Welcome dude :-)
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amigaoneproductions wrote:
Let's NOT make this a personal attack against AW staff members, that is not the reason I came here.
Matter of fact is, that the main reason why you came here is the way how SOME moderators on AWN behave. It is not caused by the site in general or by their community. Thats why I found it ok to mention the moderators I like on AWN and who, in my opinion, is mainly responsible for the downfall at AWN.
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humppa wrote:
Wegster! If there is a balanced moderated on AWN who expresses his views in a well-considered way, than it's definately him! He is the reason why I have not completely given up browsing through their forums.
Amen!!! Wegster is a very cool dude. :elvis:
I'm fairly fed up with being treated like a "child", but I just don't post very often. I go there to find out how things are going with OS4 and to help people out when they ask questions I think I know the answers to.
but it's not a fun place.
AO, on the other hand is often VERY fun. and the moderation is very subtle and evenhanded.
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I'd noticed Mikey C being overzealous there regarding MorphOS, deleting and closing threads.
The moderation over there is too paranoid. Whatever they may claim, there is solid anti-Genesi/MorphOS moderation, and some people will remember me as not being on the Genesi side ever in the past.
Fact is, if they're making hardware and doing stuff, they'll have more announcements.
You cannot hide behind terms and conditions, and the site will learn this to their detriment in the future. People will leave because they want to discuss things, and as AW.net becomes more fascist they won't be able to do it there.
Idiots.
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Hi guys! I decited to move back to AO, too!
Where do I sign for free beer? :rtfm:
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@opi
Damned! I had to pay for my beer aswell!
Oh well, Cheers! :pint:
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@amigaoneproductions
Hi Paul. Welcome back. :-D
Like some others here, I visit several sites, so I don't spend all my time here at amiga.org or over at amigaworld.net.
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redfox
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@Piru
:pint:
But that's the last one, I'm going to be goalkeeper today at the match. ;-D
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Please note that none of *MY* post here mentions anyone by name. I don't personally dislike anyone there. I just refuse to be a part of it there, as I value things like freedom of speech. I think it's a basic human right.
I like this place because I can say what I want to (within reason) and the folks here aren't gonna freak out because anyone's descenting views. It disgusts me that people with an official "Amiga" name can direct the viewpoint like that. The original AmigaWorld magazine would have never done something like that.
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I don't think anyone can say my comments even involved MOS by the way. as far as people getting stomped on, unless it's a personal attack does it really bother people to read a descenting view.. If You believe in your product then you won't really care anyway.
Get an opinion folks, we in the USA have them all the time, and about 50 % of the time or less they might not be right. We value diversity of opinion here. It's a basic human right..
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DonnyEMU wrote:
Get an opinion folks, we in the USA have them all the time, and about 50 % of the time or less they might not be right. We value diversity of opinion here. It's a basic human right..
I hear they have that in some place called 'Europe' as well.
I wouldn't know myself though, I ought to visit it someday...
;-);-);-)
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OK thought I sign up. (AW.net)
whent to make my 1st post only to be told that my posting rights have been revoked for one day????
WTF is that all about???
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They first have to scan your personal data and check with CIA that you're not a MorphOS fanboy.
This process takes some time.
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@Nicomen
""Ann.lu resorted to user logins to get rid of the huge amounts of fights, but unfortunately the process of getting a user is too slow (I'm still waiting after some months), and the activity there seems to be very low.""
I got my user registration within 24 hours.
Maybe I was just lucky ;-)
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r6stu wrote:
OK thought I sign up. (AW.net)
whent to make my 1st post only to be told that my posting rights have been revoked for one day????
WTF is that all about???
Thatis a standard procedure for all new accounts.
Even BBRV had a 24 hour quarantine.
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Seehund wrote:
The people who were among the most disliked trolls also before "the exodus" are running the show. Yes, tossers is the word. When choosing these people, it seems to have been more important that they were "red" trolls (i.e. an embarrassment to AmigaOS4 and its community) than that they were trolls period.
Bear in mind that some of the moderators on aw.net actually do own a Pegasos ;-)
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@opi
Damned! I had to pay for my beer aswell!
Oh well, Cheers! :pint:
Sorry for going backwards on this post, but lets get back to the free beer. Where's the free beer at? :lol: