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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Mikey_C on October 20, 2005, 11:17:38 AM
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Hardly worth a news item, However, in an Email to the webmaster of Amigaworld, Garry has stated that he left Amiga Inc some months ago.
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Like a rat off a sinking ship.
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Or his Job was done or he was pushed.
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Mikey_C wrote:
Or his Job was done or he was pushed.
Or he was never really involved... or the whole thing was a scam, which has run its course... or...
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I wonder how much you'd get from this rare collector's item (http://users.kymp.net/p305543a/pics/garry_hare_biz_card.png)... :-)
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@mdma:
Some might say that Jesus was a married man...but who knows, maybe he was a bi. Double chances...
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bloodline wrote:
Mikey_C wrote:
Or his Job was done or he was pushed.
Or he was never really involved... or the whole thing was a scam, which has run its course... or...
:roflmao:
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I wonder - is there someone still working at Amiga Inc, or he was the last one and turned the lights off?
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Mr_Capehill wrote:
@mdma:
Some might say that Jesus was a married man...but who knows, maybe he was a bi. Double chances...
Some people say that everyone is bi.
I don't subscribe to that theory myself, but maybe they are right and we are all repressed. :lol:
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Piru wrote:
I wonder how much you'd get from this rare collector's item (http://users.kymp.net/p305543a/pics/garry_hare_biz_card.png)... :-)
Fake!1!!1! ;-)
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Mikey_C wrote:
Or his Job was done or he was pushed.
Pushed by Fleecy? :lol:
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read below..insert "Garry Hare" for "Milton"... ahahahahahhaha.. Office Space is a great movie..
Bob Slydell: Yeah, we can't actually find a record of him being a current employee here.
Bob Porter: I looked into it more deeply and I found that apparently what happened is that he was laid off five years ago and no one ever told him, but through some kind of glitch in the payroll department, he still gets a paycheck.
Bob Slydell: So we just went a ahead and fixed the glitch.
Bill Lumbergh: Great.
Dom Portwood: So um, Milton has been let go?
Bob Slydell: Well just a second there, professor. We uh, we fixed the *glitch*. So he won't be receiving a paycheck anymore, so it will just work itself out naturally.
Bob Porter: We always like to avoid confrontation, whenever possible. Problem solved from your end.
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Mikey_C wrote:
Hardly worth a news item, However, in an Email to the webmaster of Amigaworld, Garry has stated that he left Amiga Inc some months ago.
AInc per se might not be worth pissing on if on fire, but is it hardly worth a news item that the CEO and chairman of the company that's killing AmigaOS has resigned (or been fired, or whatever), that he (not the company) announced this by sending an e-mail months after it happened to a forum webmaster, and that it is more unclear than ever who's in charge of said blocking company?
Is it embarrassing to some, who proclaimed Hare's "new" leadership as promising, wise and benevolent, with all those things "we know but can't mention *wink* [dancingbanana]" right around the corner, that he now is gone, just like that, while nothing whatsoever that's relevant to "the community" has improved compared to before he took over? Does this mean it's now "Fanatically Correct" even for the (former) AInc fans to publicly state that the Q&As, interviews and whatnot actually were a load of implausible crap, solely meant to appease the more gullible believers?
AInc might be a sunken ship on the bottom of the Mariana Trench, but whoever is captain on that ship still rules what will happen with AmigaOS, unfortunately. Is there a new captain? Does he give a crap other than saving some wreckage for his VC masters? Is the new captain insane with regards to AmigaOS, too?
(Nah, all is well! Let's all post more dancing bananas in response to more news items about everchanging vague plans for inexistent underpowered overpriced hardware for a saturated artificial market of religious fanatics instead!) :P
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Mikey_C wrote:
Or his Job was done or he was pushed.
I'd say that his job was done. The venture capitalists put him in charge after they lost confidence in McEwen and after some various buying/selling/setting up new companies/rebuying old companies KMOS became Amiga Inc.
I'd say he was given the job to sort out the mess and get the company ship-shape again. The Amiga Inc of today is one that we can assume that Bill McEwan & Barry Moss don't own (Amiga Inc was sold to KMOS), therefore there is no reason the venture capitalists will have appointed either of them to run the company given the trouble they had last time.
Why Amiga Inc has no real address, keeps itself and its staff so secret, and hasn't made any effort to entice developers are still questions that might have interesting answers....
It's almost as if they're almost pretending to run a business. My theory is that the venture capitalists who own and run Amiga Inc have appointed nobody new and just "parked" the company on their IP asset shelf. Saying that, there's probably a part-time caretaker to keep an eye on things given that they haven't (yet) managed to park all of Amiga Inc's devolved actitivies (i.e. OS4).
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Does this mean KMOS sold Amiga Inc?
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itix wrote:
Does this mean KMOS sold Amiga Inc?
Through all of this (since 2000 when the venture capitalists provided funds to McEwen & co) Amiga Inc has never left the over-arching umbrella of this venture capitalist company (I'll call them the VP company hereafter).
In the beginning when McEwen & Fleecy were in charge, part of Amiga Inc will have been owned by this VP company.
Later, AmigaOS was sold to Itec (and someone else?). I'm willing to bet my most expensive pair of Calvin Klein boxer shorts that these 2 companies were owned by this VP company.
Even later, KMOS was set up. The earlier Garry Hare connection (he was being instructed by the VP company) and that he was also in charge of KMOS makes it too much of a coincidence - the VP company must have been involved. I'd bet my best pair of jeans that this is the case.
Even more later, KMOS was renamed Amiga Inc. And now Garry is gone, most likely because he's done is job as the VP company's corporate fixer-man, and he'll be moving on to the next company that the VP company feels is being run badly.
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So, OS4 can be considered now as a "retro" item??
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itix wrote:
Does this mean KMOS sold Amiga Inc?
One would have to begin to question whether there is anything to sell in the first place. The "ownership" of the trademarks has always been in debate, and never clearly answered by Amiga Inc. (They would, at this point, have to openly post such documentation for most of us to believe that they did anything more than simply license the trademarks from Gateway). Whether or not that license is transferrable is debateable as well.
In any event, quite literally over the last 8 years, we have seen these names and trademarks intentionally driven from a valuable commodity to a worthless piece of paper by a company run by unqualified people that simply failed when the VC money dried up in 2001 with the stock market drop.
My standing offer for everything Amiga Inc ever owned (if anything) is about $500 USD. Perhaps it's time they just fessed up and put it all on ebay. Maybe they can give it an air of legitimacy by letting doomy run the auction..
Wayne
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Speaking of licensing versus buying the trademarks, I am trying to remember the exact wording Bill McEwen used when he addressed the UGN meeting in Saint Louis (2001?).
I seem to recall that he in fact said that they licensed the trademarks, but planned to take over the trademarks since "Gateway doesn't realize they will expire soon".
Please be very clear, that this is my vague memory from an impromptu meeting over four years ago, it is not intended to represent the exact quote by McEwen.
HOWEVER. If some of you who were physically present at that meeting (and there were recordings made) can help me out by finding your notes, or checking your own memory, I'd really like to clear this up.
Wayne
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Piru wrote:
I wonder how much you'd get from this rare collector's item (http://users.kymp.net/p305543a/pics/garry_hare_biz_card.png)... :-)
I prefer mine (http://www.geocities.com/ceciliafx/mos/ceo.html), actually. :lol:
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Or, maybe he's just not a hockey fan.
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mdma wrote:
Like a rat off a sinking ship.
Sinking? If I were standing on that ship I'd be worried about getting "the bends" from having to swim upwards from the extreme depths fast enough not to run out of air.
Amiga Inc is sitting astride the Titanic. Only difference is, no one is looking for the Amiga any more... :)
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They might be trying to limp it along long enough to get bought out for a nice dollar ammount.
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koaftder wrote:
They might be trying to limp it along long enough to get bought out for a nice dollar ammount.
THat would be pointless, it's not going to happen. The software and trade marks are almost worthless... and worth less every day.
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The current user-base is nothing to write home about either.
Dare I say this community is anything but that.
Any opinion brought up is bashed to death.
Any direction taken gets picked apart.
All I see is alot of individuals with attitudes.
...for the most part anyway.
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If that is the case, it's rather a moot point. What might, at one point, have been worth 4.5 million isn't worth .5 million any more. Most of the patents have been long-since compromised, and the trademarks of a dead computer are pretty much that. About the only one left who would make anything off of them would be someone like Jeri who could build an "Amiga on a joystick" product.
Otherwise, the classic arena is pretty much unchanged and stable as it always has been. I just wish I could have had better luck getting certain radicals to understand that by working to destroy the classic Amiga community, they were only hurting themselves.
Wayne
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Wayne wrote:
If that is the case, it's rather a moot point. What might, at one point, have been worth 4.5 million isn't worth .5 million any more. Most of the patents have been long-since compromised, and the trademarks of a dead computer are pretty much that. About the only one left who would make anything off of them would be someone like Jeri who could build an "Amiga on a joystick" product.
Otherwise, the classic arena is pretty much unchanged and stable as it always has been. I just wish I could have had better luck getting certain radicals to understand that by working to destroy the classic Amiga community, they were only hurting themselves.
Wayne
Couldnt have said it better, but man, Amiga in a joystick... That is so wrong!
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Don't get me wrong here guys. I have nothing against Amiga Inc or it's employees. When I interacted with them, they were actually fairly good to me and in particular Amiga.org.
Where I started losing "faith" is when all the lies and coverup started around the time of the eviction and Amiga.org's monthly outages due to "backhoes".
When you are in a situation where -- like I was -- you are giving everything you can to try and support someone (or something), and in return you feel as though you are getting outright lied to, it's rather difficult to remain "faithful". This is, in fact, the core of how Amigaworld.net came to exist, and why all the "faithful" flock to it to try and support Amiga Inc and "the cause".
Now, in my mind, Amiga Inc is pretty much officially dead or non-existant. All I can say is that despite the hard feelings that Bill McEwen and Amiga Inc caused in the community with their dishonesty, at least Amiga Inc never tried to {bleep} me over like Genesi and Bill Buck did.
McEwen could have easily {bleep]ed me over, because I had a written job offer from them pending their second round of funding, but they didn't. For that, I am at least grateful to McEwen and I wish him and his staff well. Otherwise, this is just a situation that I feel justified in saying "told you so" because I jumped up and down screaming for over four years warning them of the very mistakes they made.
They should have gone with AROS.. :)
Wayne
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Hey now that is a great idea!!! Transfer all rights of Amiga, Inc to the infamous Doom Master, of Beaverton, OR! He buys and sells, and refurbished enough Amiga computers, which is more than Amiga, Inc has done for years! LOL
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Lou,
No argument there. Because of the neglect and outright attempts to destroy the community by some, we are hardly the community we used to be.
Wayne
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TjLaZer wrote:
Hey now that is a great idea!!! Transfer all rights of Amiga, Inc to DOom Master, of Beaverton, OR! He buys and sells, and refurbished enough Amiga computers, which is more than Amiga, Inc has done for years! LOL
LOL. You know things are bad in Amigaland when the choice for CEO of Amiga is between Ryan Czerwinski and Doommaster. But, in reality, could they really do a worse job than the previous CEO's?
Anyway, so long Garry and thanks for my T-shirt.
It would be absolutely the best thing for all concerned if Amiga Inc would now just disappear. No more having to adhere to ridiculous licenses regarding platforms that AmigaOS can run on, no more $100 "name tax" for aforementioned platforms. Cheaper hardware, more platforms, more users, more sales of OS4. Everyone's a winner.
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What did BB do you you Wayne?
I'm still wondering if legally, Gateway ever actually got rights to the OS. IIRC the German court later ruled that the OS was not included when Gateway bought the rest of the "intellectual property".
IF somebody could find that ruling it could make it a lot easier to run AmigaOS 4.x on other PPC systems.
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@boing,
It's a long, sordid story involving over two months' pay that doesn't need to get rehashed at this point. That doesn't mean that I will ever forget, or forgive and until he is willing to make amends to the facts of what he did, I will never let him forget it either.
Wayne
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I am more amazed at the amount of people singing that {bleep}s praise. He did sweet {bleep} all for the amiga and he should be remembered as another leaving the wannabe titanic.
Edited by Admin (Argo): Personal Attack
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Incidentally, who is John Grzymala? (owner of the KMOS.com domain and the name given on the corporate address for Amiga Inc). Is he just collecting mail or is his involvment deeper than that?
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boing wrote:
What did BB do you you Wayne?
:lol:
as Wayne said it's a long, horrible story....and someday some of us should write it down and sell a book.
or.... :idea:
"BBRV, The Movie"
:roflmao:
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Lando wrote:
Incidentally, who is John Grzymala? (owner of the KMOS.com domain and the name given on the corporate address for Amiga Inc). Is he just collecting mail or is his involvment deeper than that?
We had never heard the name either until the latest round of "musical hide the IP from creditors".
Wayne
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Paul,
Having never met Garry Hare, I find your remarks a little unnecessary and incendiary. There were lots of people who did bleep all for the Amiga but the fact that they tried still means more than those who intentionally tried to destroy the Amiga and it's community.
Wayne
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And perhaps we should leave it at that before the incendiary remarks get to the point of full throttle flamewars. I can sum up this entire discussion in 4 words: who. gives. a. {bleep}. It's no longer our concern what happens at AI, KMOS, AI, or whatever the vultures want to call themselves nowadays, we established that eons ago.
Let the past be the past, cherish your memories (in sofar that is possible), and MOVE ON!
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> New CEO
What about Mr Frank Wilde?
On Feb. 2002, Mr Frank Wilde aka Mr Francis Wilde III became the chairman of Amiga Inc.
Mr Frank Wilde is the former CEO of Ravisent.
According to an unofficial source, Mr Wilde quits Amiga Inc several weeks later (running from Amiga Inc Office).
After Amiga Inc, Mr Frank Wilde become the CEO of Tarantela.
Tarantela was bought by Sun Microsystem several weeks ago.
Does Mr Frank Wilde return to Amiga Inc?
Is Netventures (Netherland) still the owner of Amiga Inc?
What about the telco company from India?
http://www.netventures.nl/ENG/portfolio.htm
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It's no longer our concern what happens at AI, KMOS, AI, or whatever the vultures want to call themselves nowadays, we established that eons ago.
Are you positive that no aspect whatsoever of AInc's future can have an impact on our community? Cause I'm not.
In fact, I'm worried that when it's bad for AInc it might be bad for us too. Will this misery never end?
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Well said. I cannot see why a venture capitalist with common sense would invest money into the Amiga nowdays.
As a brand name "Amiga" is as good as "Commodore"... totally unknown to people younger than 20 years old, therefore useless. And most older ones remember it as a games machine, so its value is questionable. As you've said, only Jeri & Co would benefit from the present retro-mania.
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@ thread/all
I don't know what's going on, no one really does. I think it's the issue.
AMIGA get's mentioned a lot, ok not a lot, but it's there to grab interest (Hey, what's that) even in places like slash dot.
I would say people do know what it is and where even.
The thing is, it's all vapour ware. Nothing really solid. A lot of promises, a lot of take overs a lot of changes but no real product and it's what people have come to expect. If and wehn we fianaly have a product and some develpoment for it, things will again pick up wispers will become noise etc.
We really do need a product, we needed one yesterday but we can't turn back time, so we need that product now. There is still plenty of room for it. The OS market is hardly swamped. There are 3 main varieties only. There is room.
As for the whole CEO thing, who knows.
That's the problem, the company responsible is so dam quiet they may as well not exist. All we can do is speculate and hang off a few words from someones e-mail. We have no difinitve answer as to what's going on. We can accept GH has washed his hands of A Inc, weather he is part of KMOS still, I don't know, no one knows what's round the corner.
M$ are also pretty quiet about new release dates, same with apple. Still at leat they make announcements and possible time frames. Look I don't like the way A Inc have done buisness, but that's my opinion. If we get an actual product soon, we can all do our bit to promote it, weather talking about it to friends, news posts, or contributing programs and source. To be honest, I thnk the latter is the most important thing to start with, if you can code, you should code. coders talk, get help from others, interest builds, etc...... The thing is, we need a product first. It's getting do or die time. Unless we all leave AMIGA OS and plans right now and make a huge effort to go to AROS/Morph or something like Wayne was suggesting towards earlier.
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We can accept GH has washed his hands of A Inc, weather he is part of KMOS still, I don't know, no one knows what's round the corner.
Amiga is/was KMOS.
1. Amiga Inc sold AmigaOS to Itec but forgot to tell anyone, including Fleecy
2. KMOS bought AmigaOS from Itec
3. KMOS bought Amiga Inc
4. KMOS changed their name to Amiga Inc.
Of course KMOS never really existed except on paper.
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@Lando
"Of course KMOS never really existed except on paper."
Yeah, but that's just speculation or your opinion
No one really knows anything is my point and that's no ones fault, we are like mushrooms.
Musshrooms as in - Kept in the dark and fed sh#$
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@Lando
I agree with the rest though.
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Yeah, but that's just speculation or your opinion
What else is there besides speculation or opinion? Amiga Inc. hasn't released any info because they don't care about this community -- and I don't blame them as it is too small.
Face it, we're on our own. Even if Amiga isn't dead, it's not the platform we remember. Might as well make a new one.
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There is something strange about Garry Hare and KMOS:
1. He announced that KMOS had bought Capacity Networks at Amiwest 2004.
Capacity Networks said that their company is NOT affiliated with KMOS or Garry Hare or Amiga Inc.
http://www.capacitynetworks.com/
2. He announced about major project/contract with broadcasting companies in Asia. I go to BroadcastAsia, various Broadcasting/TV Expos in Asia, use my contacts, banks etc to find out about KMOS, Garry Hare, or his companies activity in various countries in Asia, but NO ONE ever heard about him, KMOS, AmigaAnywhere/AmigaDE or related projects in Asia.
If he is involved in Multimedia/Broadcasting business in Asia, sooner or later I will hear something about him, but I have not hear /read anything.
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Hey, another one :)
Actually, despite the fact that I kept an Amiga handy for all this years (My answering machine/minitel system has been running under AmigaOS, 1.3, then 2.0, now 3.5, for more than 10 years now) I'm not an Amigan per se, as I dis'nt know bleep about Mr Hare.
I'd really like a little update on the corporate status of the platform, and that includes Peg/MorphOS, and YES I know this is a bit like stumbling upon a bible and asking for a summary, so I extracted some questions, that I think can be answered to by yes or no, or no more than a little sentence. Please keep it as factual as possible, leaving away passion, name-calling and personal rant, I mean, as long as it's possible...
I worked for a journal here in France, that tried to screw me off two month of work's paycheck, and eventuelly won in *court*. When asked about the overall quality this newspaper, I say I hate their guts, always wondering if it's because they personally bleeped with me, or because they are, in fact, a bad journal...
My questions :
# As of today, is Amiga (AT, AINC, AWhatever, I mean the company that sells AmigaOS) existing legally ?
# As of today, is Genesi (MorphWhatever, I mean the company that sells MorphOS) existing legally ?
# How many companies are [actually, currently selling] compatible PPC boards to run AmigaOS on ?
# How many companies are [actually, currently selling] compatible PPC boards to run MorphOS on ?
And perhaps the most important one :
# Given that it's technically possible, could AROS (http://aros-exec.org/) legally run on those two boards ?
# Is it legal, to boot, to use it as a main OS on a regular i386 PC ?
As I see things (but I'm far from competent) since AROS is using open-source clones of important parts of the system like MUI/Zune, they (the AROS team) managed to stay free from any legal issue, does that mean that, given the technical abilities, it would be legal to use it
# On an AOne ?
# On a Pegasos ?
# On a Macintoch ?
# On a PC ?
# On something else ?
Finally, I'd like to take the opportunity of bowing down before the AROS people. I remember reading about you in one of the last issues of the beloved Amiga News (Toulouse, France) and thinking "those guys are MAD, they won't even get pass the exec kernel". I don't know how to thank you for feeding reality into a downright fantasy : Making this system ours. I mean, if I understood the goal of the project correctly :rtfm:
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by xaccrocheur on 2005/10/22 6:06:30
And perhaps the most important one :
# Given that it's technically possible, could AROS legally run on those two boards ?
# Is it legal, to boot, to use it as a main OS on a regular i386 PC ?
There is nothing stopping you from doing so, legally. I was selling PCs with AROS installed for some time. Porting AROS to PPC has been attempted a few times, running it hosted under PPC Linux is as close as it's gotten, to the best of my knowledge. There are a few devs looking at getting it running under 68K Amigas, but it'll be a long and difficult road so don't hold your breath.
My personal wanting of a port will start in Feb, which can be found here (http://www.thenostromo.com/teamaros/bounty_details_21.html). It's still open to donations and considering what a dual core AMD64 with ASUS SLI mobo is costing, it's pretty impressive vs A1 costs.
Dammy
TeamAROS
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Cymric wrote:
MOVE ON!
My thoughts exactly.
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As of today, is Amiga (AT, AINC, AWhatever, I mean the company that sells AmigaOS) existing legally ?
It appears so. But they don't actually sell anything, only license it.
As of today, is Genesi (MorphWhatever, I mean the company that sells MorphOS) existing legally ?
Yes, but the exact relationship with MorphOS is unclear.
How many companies are [actually, currently selling] compatible PPC boards to run AmigaOS on ?
Eyetech did sell boards but nobody knows what's going on with them right now.
New entrant Trokia plan to sell a new board soon.
How many companies are [actually, currently selling] compatible PPC boards to run MorphOS on ?
1: Genesi
Given that it's technically possible, could AROS legally run on those two boards ?
Yes
As I see things (but I'm far from competent) since AROS is using open-source clones of important parts of the system like MUI/Zune, they (the AROS team) managed to stay free from any legal issue, does that mean that, given the technical abilities, it would be legal to use it
# On an AOne ?
# On a Pegasos ?
# On a Macintoch ?
# On a PC ?
# On something else ?
Yes to all. You can run it on anything you like.
There are very few systems you can't run on what ever you like.
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Just put my tupence worth in, as its my first post for a while.
Its a matter of hope and nostalgia that the Amiga could rise again, to offer a "Home Computer" of yester year with todays technology.
* Easy to use from a child onwards
* Easy to program, for people to unlock their potential
* Fun and at the same time educational
* Brillant Games and superior graphics
* And you can leave those business chores elsewhere at the office instead of "I do it at home on my pc".
Instead the market has fragmented into Gamers, Hobbyists and Homeworkers, each requiring different needs. So the universal and boring PC is King, covers everything except one thing.
Understanding !.
You need a degree to progam a pc, a degree and good insurance to operate on it safely and you need a business degree to understand and use the software properly.
I have these days nothing but pc's around me, my amiga 1200 ppc tower is in the cupboard gathering dust.
I hoped the new amiga was the hobbyists device that would bring back the imagination and joy that those first "Home computers" did. Even though their technologies were complex, a poke here and a call there and you could unlock great protential.
Now we have HAL's and driver signing and endless corporatised products that don't say have fun but we will have your money thanks very much but you don't actually own it, just license it.
The Amiga is a dream to me, a place where I could play for hours just to get a insight into the minds of those designers. To become master of the machine for a moment or two.
Consoles/PC's are not to mastered, not open and available, just licenced all the way to the bank, they are commodities to be sold and to be sold again. Its Business not pleasure.
Where is the fun in that. Mr Hare and those £50 dreams just are that and its a sad sign that I'm a grown up now and that ageless computing seems to be a thing of the past.
Shaz
:boohoo:
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Boudicca wrote:
Where is the fun in that. Mr Hare and those £50 dreams just are that and its a sad sign that I'm a grown up now and that ageless computing seems to be a thing of the past.
It is very important for you to realise that the Amiga was in all aspects new to you. Many of the technologies employed are to be found in other systems too---often quite extended, but at the core still very recognisable. That sense of discovery is therefore now lost to you. Unless you begin anew with things you didn't have on your Amiga. For example, proper threading. Parsing. 3d graphics. Virtual machines. I've encountered many subjects where you can play to your hearts content, and as an added bonus do not have to worry about the underlying hardware anymore because it is (mostly) irrelevant. I suggest you look around, do some reading, and delve in. You'll recapture that feeling of discovery soon enough.
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Dang, another runaway thread, mixed with ami religion.
Amiga INC, aos4, blah blah who cares. amigaworld.net is the place to go for a.inc gossip and os4 promises.
I love amiga.org for it's userbase, which seems to focus on old skool amiga knowledge and general friendliness. Amiga is a lot of different things to a lot of different people. The concept has little to do with Amiga INC and aos4, and for that matter, even the hardware its self.
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If Dr Hare had resigned several months ago, why he announced it this week?
Is this suprise announcement related to the new bankruptcy law?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/10/16/BUGH3F7TD81.DTL
"For example, the new law makes it harder for companies going down the tubes to pay their top managers to stick around. Many failing companies -- including Enron, Kmart, Polaroid and a slew of dot-coms -- promised managers fat bonuses, loans or severance pay if they stayed through at least part of the reorganization. Often, these were the same people who had run the companies into the ground."
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Anyone here remember years back when KMART stocked Commodore & Amiga hardware and software?
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The potentially most important Amiga(TM)-influencing event for ages is still not a news item on the front page?
Well, OK, I guess it's not news by now...
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@seehund
Because it wasn't news then. It isn't news now, and the only reason you want it on the front page is to encourage the trolling. The only thing we have is an unconfirmed e-mail, supposedly sent to the webmaster of another web site. This does not constitute a verifiable news item.
Besides, in real world terms, Garry Hare stepping down matters about as much as an announcement from the coach of the Fryburg Turtles little league baseball team saying he quit. (a nod to the movie "My Blue Heaven")
Wayne Hunt
Amiga.org
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@asian1
I'm fairly certain it has nothing to do with the changes in the bankruptcy laws, though I have to admit that the idea of Amiga Inc being twisted into finally admitting that they're dead by filing bankruptcy does have it's appeal.
Not that I wish them dead. Not at all, but simply so most of the community members (some of whom have crawled out in this thread) who harbor such hatred towards Amiga Inc can find closure and move on.
Wayne
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Wayne wrote:
Because it wasn't news then.
AFAIK I haven't seen anyone else mention it anywhere before October 20th. Or are you talking about the uncertainty you mention later?
It isn't news now,
Nope, agreed.
and the only reason you want it on the front page is to encourage the trolling.
Ah, I see. Yes, that's it!
What trolling though? With the possible exception of one post that could be a bit more, uhm, nuanced with regards to Hare's personal character, people seem to be able to discuss it in a pretty civilised manner IMO. I'm sure the same would go for discussion attached to a news item (even though I linked back to this thread in the news story I submitted, I don't know how others did it). Now we won't find out. No big deal.
The only thing we have is an unconfirmed e-mail, supposedly sent to the webmaster of another web site. This does not constitute a verifiable news item.
I don't see why said webmaster would be faking the e-mail, so even if Hare has not left AInc, then his e-mail claiming the contrary would by itself still be pretty big news... Unless this verification business is a recently instated standard, there would be no news stories at all about AInc stuff since they can't be contacted by mere mortals for verification and lots of the stuff posted on their own website has turned out to be misleading at best.
But never mind, now it's not news. Fuhgetaboutit.
Besides, in real world terms, Garry Hare stepping down matters about as much as an announcement from the coach of the Fryburg Turtles little league baseball team saying he quit. (a nod to the movie "My Blue Heaven")
:)
If this site was dedicated to an audience consisting to a large part of Fryburg Turtles fans, then that would matter to them. What AInc do and do not (and who is or is not running the company) matters to AmigaOS and thus to people interested in AmigaOS, i.e. lots of amiga.org visitors. So far that dependence has sucked IMO, but that's how it is.
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Seehund wrote:
If this site was dedicated to an audience consisting to a large part of Fryburg Turtles fans, then that would matter to them. What AInc do and do not (and who is or is not running the company) matters to AmigaOS and thus to people interested in AmigaOS, i.e. lots of amiga.org visitors.
Here's the difference. If there is ever Amiga Inc "news", it is posted on their own .com page (This is one of the reasons I didn't consider the "Fleecy's Fluff" articles on AW.net to be news). As such, as an unconfirmed e-mail sent to the webmaster of another site, it doesn't qualify as news, hence it belongs in the forums, hence here you are.
Any other questions?
Wayne
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Wayne wrote:
Seehund wrote:
If this site was dedicated to an audience consisting to a large part of Fryburg Turtles fans, then that would matter to them. What AInc do and do not (and who is or is not running the company) matters to AmigaOS and thus to people interested in AmigaOS, i.e. lots of amiga.org visitors.
Here's the difference. If there is ever Amiga Inc "news", it is posted on their own .com page (This is one of the reasons I didn't consider the "Fleecy's Fluff" articles on AW.net to be news). As such, as an unconfirmed e-mail sent to the webmaster of another site, it doesn't qualify as news, hence it belongs in the forums, hence here you are.
Any other questions?
Wayne
Where do babies come from?
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bloodline wrote:
Where do babies come from?
Sorry, I don't believe in public sex ed. Ask your parents. I'm sure they'll get around to "the talk" some day, but it never hurts to prod, especially at your age. :)
Wayne
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Coach quit again? DAMN!
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i suspect bloodline thinks babies have something to do with socks. :lol:
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public sex ed or no thats pretty close wayne
"it never hurts to prod" :-D
my two cents on the whole amiga inc thing. i stopped caring years ago who "owned" amiga. every single major os and hardware development in the last 10yrs or so has been from us, the amiga community. from aros to various hardware developments (they arent really making money they are a part of the community) amiga inc came out with os3.5 and 3.9 which arent really major developments.
we dont have usb because of amiga inc
we dont have pci support because of amiga inc
we dont have a platform independent os because of amiga inc
and back in the day we didnt get ppc accelerators because of amiga inc,
etc. etc.
who gives a rats hinderparts what amiga inc announce anymore they are worthless. as long as they dont get in the way of what we have been able to do, just ingnore them.
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About the only way this woud become interesting would be the news of Amiga-name been sold to someone ... In a way it could make sense now, since Hare (who was supposed to bring some sense to AmigaInc) has left his post.
But.. It ain't likely to happen cause asking price is likely to be way too high..
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Wayne wrote:
@asian1
I'm fairly certain it has nothing to do with the changes in the bankruptcy laws, though I have to admit that the idea of Amiga Inc being twisted into finally admitting that they're dead by filing bankruptcy does have it's appeal.
Not that I wish them dead. Not at all, but simply so most of the community members (some of whom have crawled out in this thread) who harbor such hatred towards Amiga Inc can find closure and move on.
The reason why we want them dead and buried, is so that the trademarks and copyrights they own can be allowed to lapse.
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bloodline wrote:
The reason why we want them dead and buried, is so that the trademarks and copyrights they own can be allowed to lapse.
That won't happen.
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The only statement from Ray Akey aka Hmetal:
From Amiga.com/forums:
"Doesn't mean I'm not here anymore and Amiga is still doing business. That's all I have to say at this time."
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@asian1
"doing business" appears to be a relative term, but I'm glad he's ok and still around.