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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: xaccrocheur on March 25, 2003, 12:50:32 PM
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Hi
I've been trying to no avail to install this TEAC SCSI CD-Rom on my A4K, and Scuzzy on Amiga is something new to me.
Needless to say, the CD-Rom drive has been tested, it worked flawlessly on a Linux PC attached to a 2940 SCSI board.
What I want to do :
# Install this CD-Rom on the 4K using a floppy-based WB 3.1
# Install OS3.9 From the CD I just purchased.
# Finish to populate this SCSI chain with 2 more BIG Scuzzy drives.
Setup :
A4040 with 3.1 ROMs and 16 Mg RAM,
A GVP HC+8 Series II Rev. II Full of RAM (8Mg) with One HD For now (2 are waiting to be installed) that was the original one, I guess.
it's a 520Mg Conner SCSI drive, at least that's what HDToolbox is telling me, no indication of the size on the drive. There is a 3.1 WB installed on it, but I don't quite "trust" it. Lots of patches, refers to HardWare no longer present, etc.
What I'm trying to do is to just setup a floppy WB that would allow me to access the CD.
When I load HD ToolBox, (yes I *did* edit the tooltype from scsi.device to gvpscsi.device) I cannot see the CD, no matter what I try. I do see the Conner drive.
When I tried my other Scuzzy HDs, it showed nonsensic values, and refused to write to it (write error 25 I guess)
that's why I want to install them under OS 3.9 only.
I did put a CD0 DOSdriver in DEVS:, with also the right "gvpscsi.device" in the tooltypes, but no luck getting it to mount.
No way to CD into it from a shell too :(
What Am I missing ?
Is this GVP Board auto-terminated (I'm not using external units) or should I set some jumper ?
Can somebody tell me what a mountlist is, I mean, what mine should look like ?
Please help, I'm getting pissed off and already broke a thing just to calm down :-x
pX
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is it this you got ??
gvp (http://www.amiga-hardware.com/gvpimpactii2000hc8.html) :-?
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edderkop wrote:
is it this you got ??
gvp (http://www.amiga-hardware.com/gvpimpactii2000hc8.html) :-?
Yup, exactly. It makes thos total amount of RAM 24Mg, and DMA, witch is pretty cool.
Now I have no other indications about the board's SCSI bus. I saw no termination Jumper, but I'm really fearing that it has to be physically terminated...
But hey one question : If I *do* have a termination problem, is it normal that the Conner drive is still mounting w/o problems ?
I hope I make meself clear with my Iraqi English :-P
Thanks for help. I'm about to BEAT the kids just to chill me out :-P
pX
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@xaccrocheur
Now I have no other indications about the board's SCSI bus. I saw no termination Jumper, but I'm really fearing that it has to be physically terminated...
you are correct you have to teminate the scsi chain youself but some scsi drives have a jumper on the back to teminate it.(does not work alle the time tho) ;-)
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You need to check the SCSI ID in HDTOOLBOX for your CDROM, which ever number is shown will be your CD mount number i.e CD0 or CD1 or CD2 or CD3 or CD4 etc..
Recheck your SCSI number on the CDROM!
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@erol
You need to check the SCSI ID in HDTOOLBOX for your CDROM, which ever number is shown will be your CD mount number i.e CD0 or CD1 or CD2 or CD3 or CD4 etc..
this is not correct the id and mount number is not the same thing.
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edderkop wrote:
@xaccrocheur
Now I have no other indications about the board's SCSI bus. I saw no termination Jumper, but I'm really fearing that it has to be physically terminated...
you are correct you have to teminate the scsi chain youself but some scsi drives have a jumper on the back to teminate it.(does not work alle the time tho) ;-)
Oh yeah I know that, but I was wondering : some old scuzzy boards wants, well *needs* to be terminated on BOTH ends, the internal way (it's OK, I *do* have auto-terminating units) AN the external, with either a Plug or a jumper. If somebody knows this detail about the GVP HC+8, please post so.
Hell, I'm trying ALL LUN Combinations !
I'm really wondering about this "mountlist" bit : Don't I need one ?
pX
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edderkop wrote:
@erol
You need to check the SCSI ID in HDTOOLBOX for your CDROM, which ever number is shown will be your CD mount number i.e CD0 or CD1 or CD2 or CD3 or CD4 etc..
this is not correct the id and mount number is not the same thing.
Yes, this was confusing, thanks, because I only have this CD0: in devs:, with the "gcpscsi.device" tooltype.
I'm sure there's something else to do right.
(Is'nt usenet GREAT ? I remember situations like that , only much less comfy when I was *alone* with my A500)
pX
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@xaccrocheur
I'm really wondering about this "mountlist" bit : Don't I need one ?
you shuld be able the scan the scsi shain and se all the devices there and you don't need a mountlist for that.
but to mount a drive like a hardrive or CDrom you need one but a scanner dont need a mountlist to be used.
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I also use a TEAC (You can activate the termination
by setting the jumper) ofcourse only when the CD-ROM is the last in the SCSI chain...
You must set the SCSI ID in dosdrivers (CD0 by default) to the ID of the CD-ROM..
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duesi wrote:
I also use a TEAC (You can activate the termination
by setting the jumper) ofcourse only when the CD-ROM is the last in the SCSI chain...
You must set the SCSI ID in dosdrivers (CD0 by default) to the ID of the CD-ROM..
AHA ! Now *this* I did not know ! Trying right away, thanx to all of you 8-)
Well now what I have is "UNIT=2", witch matches the LUN of the CD-Rom, but is this the correct syntax for a GVP one ? I'll try to change it to "SCSIUNIT=2"...
What I have in this damn icon's tooltypes :
Default tool : C:Mount
ACTIVATE=1
DEVICE:gvpscsi.device
UNIT=2
What is that activate bit ? Is this correct ?
pX
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I think that must be OK..
Which CD-ROM Filesystem are you using ?
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@xaccrocheur
looks ok but what filesysem are you using. :-?
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duesi wrote:
I think that must be OK..
Which CD-ROM Filesystem are you using ?
G00d question duesi !
[color=003333]I don't know[/color][/b][/i] ! 8-) :-D
I know I suck, but in fact I NEVER used a CD-Rom with a Miggy, that's the reason !
I'm told that OS3.9 sorts this out, I mean namely ships with a proper CD FS, but now, a friend sent me his AsimCDFS setup... I really don't know where to start...
I mean, now I have the 3.1 ROMs, and the 3.1 WB handy, I though (I read someplace that 3.1 is *just* that : A 3.0 with CD "utilities") that it would work out of the box, at least for Scuzzy.
Please, explain the way to go as if I'm 4 years old ;-)
pX
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@xaccrocheur
try to look in L: for CDFileSystem
or look at this standard cd0 setup:
/* $VER: CD0 40.6 (31.8.93)
*
* CD-ROM file system entry
*
* This file enables the CD-ROM file system which allows you to read standard
* ISO-9660 CD-ROM disks from an Amiga with a SCSI or IDE controller.
*
* The "Unit" line defines the SCSI address of the CD-ROM drive. Drives
* often come configured as unit 2, which is the default. Check the
* documentation for your CD-ROM drive to find the exact SCSI address.
* Note that most drives let you change this number using jumpers.
*/
FileSystem = L:CDFileSystem
Flags = 0
Surfaces = 1
SectorsPerTrack = 1
SectorSize = 2048
Mask = 0x7ffffffe
MaxTransfer = 0x100000
Reserved = 0
Interleave = 0
LowCyl = 0
HighCyl = 0
Buffers = 5
BufMemType = 0
StackSize = 1000
Priority = 10
GlobVec = -1
DosType = 0x43443031
/* The Device and Unit fields are controlled by tooltypes in the CD0 icon.
*
* Device = scsi.device
* Unit = 2
*/
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Hi :-)
Don't panic, take a big breath of air and try this :
1 : make a copy of your OS3.1 Workbench disk,
2 : make some room on the copy by erasing utilities drawer contents,
3 : copy Extras3.1:l/cdfilesystem to your workbench3.1:l drawer,
4 : copy Storage3.1:DOSDrivers/CD0 and CD0.info to you workbench3.1:devs/dosdrivers/ drawer,
5 : set your CDRom Drive to unit 4 with it's jumpers (see top of the drive for proper jumper settings)
6 : edit the CD0 file as follow :
FileSystem = L:CDFileSystem
Device = gvpscsi.device
Unit = 4
Flags = 0
Surfaces = 1
SectorsPerTrack = 1
SectorSize = 2048
Mask = 0x7ffffffe
MaxTransfer = 0x100000
Reserved = 0
Interleave = 0
LowCyl = 0
HighCyl = 0
Buffers = 5
BufMemType = 0
StackSize = 1000
Priority = 10
GlobVec = -1
DosType = 0x43443031
7 : save edited CD0 file back to disk ;-)
8 : edit the CD0.info tooltypes to remove DEVICE= and UNIT= entries, as usually it don't want to work as is ;-)
9 : reboot your A4000, pray a little :-D
10 : enjoy
You can now install OS3.9 with no soucy :-)
Amigalement,
Jean-François.
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I suggest you to download AmiCDROM from aminet
this one has a simple to use installer script
all options can be set during setup...
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Very interesting, thank you.
this is the sort of info I'm looking for, and hopefully with you help I *will * get the thing to work.
What I have right now in my L: drawer (Floppy-based WB) is
aux-handler
port-handler
queue-handler
CrossDOSFileSystem
FileSystem_Trans
And...
AmiCDFS !
I don't know what's it doing there, I did not copy it myself, those 3.1 disks may have been tampered with after all...
Is this AmiCDFS *part* of the 3.1 WB ?
edderkop, where did you got your "L:CDFileSystem" from ? And where does the value "L:CDFileSystem" come from ?
Thanx
pX
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@ xaccrocheur
edderkop, where did you got your "L:CDFileSystem" from ? And where does the value "L:CDFileSystem" come from ?
from a standard install it's part of Amigaos ( i am using 3.9)
but you can use AmiCDFS aswell just replace CDFileSystem
:-D
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@ xaccrocheur :
Did you read my first post :-?
There's all you need to know in it :-)
Amigalement,
Jean-François.
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@xaccrocheur
I had the same problems - my hdtoolbox did not recognise CD-Rom and after I wrote similar device setup as voxel described, still no go.
Please report back if you succeed. I'm also installing SCSI CD-Rom on A2000 and I'll say more about it after I give it a second try.
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voxel wrote:
Hi :-)
Don't panic, take a big breath of air and try this :
(snip, loads of useful info)
Amigalement,
Jean-François.
Hey thank you ! I did'nt saw this one, merci !
I'l try this right away. Tu es loin de Paris, JF ?
Amigalement,
pX
PS - Yeah, you must now know that "Amiga" really sounds like "friend" in french, more than in English, since the french word for "friend" is "Ami" (Amie for a girl, sounds the same)
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Diskcopy ! I forgot the old one ! Now I remember ! sorry :-D :-D :-D
(snip, I *LOVE* "edit" !!!))
thanx and forgive the dumbness of this post 8-)
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@ baro2000 :
The setup I described was tried and verified as I typed the post, and guaranted to work (A4000, Rom 3.1, GVP A2000 HC8+ Serie II rev II, fully populated 8 Mb banks, GVP Faaastrom v4.5 onboard.)
Pay attention to the GVP's jumpers : it must be as follow :
J4 ON (autoboot active)
J6 ON (8 Mb memory
J8 ON installed)
J2 Pins 1-2 ON
-Edit and error corrected-
J15 OFF (DTACK not used in A4000) (not J12 as staded before)
All other jumpers should be left open.
Just follow the steps as described, without ommiting any.
Amigalement,
Jean-François.
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@voxel
What is the shortest mountlist entry needed for CD-Rom to be recognised?
I have this controller (http://www.amiga-hardware.com/evolution2000.html) and external Yamaha CDR400tx.
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voxel wrote:
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J4 ON (autoboot active)
J6 ON (8 Mb memory
J8 ON installed)
J2 Pins 1-2 ON
J12 OFF (DTACK not used in A4000)
All other jumpers should be left open.
(...)
What do you mean regarding the J2 "Pins 1-2 ON" ?
What I have looks like this :
J2
<===front of the machine
|| [color=CC0000]|| ||[/color] <= jumper on the red ones
|| || ||
|| || ||
Is it OK ? Because I would say this is the opposite of what you said, here it looks "PINS 1-2 OFF", no ? Assuming the Pin #1 is the closest to the front of the 4000, but then again there are some fantasies on Miggy MoBos..
apart from that all jumper settings are as you said.
pX
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@ baro2000 :
>What is the shortest mountlist entry needed for CD-Rom to be recognised?
All the entry shown in the mountlist I gave are needed, so IT IS the shortest one ;-)
I don't had that controler, what is the name of it's device?
@ xacrocheur
You must have an older revision 2 GVP card (there were some with different layout)
-Edit and error corrected-
BTW the J15 (DTACK) jumper (NOT J12) was not present on that revision, so ignore it.
For J2, it's a tree pins jumper on the GVP scsi card and only the pins 1 and 2 must be jumpered as follow :
this side is pin 1 --> <1-2 3|
Amigalement,
Jean-François.
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voxel wrote:
(snip)
For J2, it's a tree pins jumper on the GVP scsi card and only the pins 1 and 2 must be jumpered as follow :
this side is pin 1 --> <1-2 3|
Amigalement,
Jean-François.
Oh, OK, so you are saying that the J2 jumpers are numbered [color=CC0000]from the front of the MoBo[/color][/i] (Floppy side, or where the RAM sockets are on the GVP), right ?
In that case my jumpers settings are wrong.
because Pins 2 and 3 are jumped together, and the 1st one is not.
The reason for this ANOTHER post is just that, Jean-François : Please confirm the numbering of the jumpers [color=CC0000]from the front of the MoBo[/color][/i]
pX
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@ xaccrocheur :
See your email box :^)
Amigalement,
Jean-François.
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SCSI flippin eck that takes me back
i gave up and went IDE in the end.
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I actually had a similar problem recently. I have an A4000D and I am using a Dataflyer 500/2000 card from my old A500 as a SCSI interface. My SCSI CD-ROM drive never showed up in HDToolBox. What you need to do, if you have a PC available, is insert the 3.9 CD and go to the "Install 3.9" directory. Inside there will be a CDFS something directory.
I recommend making an LHA archive of those files on the PC. If you cannot, go ahead and copy the files over to a floppy but be warned unless you have the retail version of CrossDOS you will not be able to see Windows long filenames which would make your files 7 characters long with a ~ plus a . plus the file extension. Its a nightmare. If you cant find LHA for the PC try using UAE.
This sounds like a pain in the ass but in the long run you need the files in that directory because they contain the installer for the CD-ROM driver. Now during the install of the CD-ROM driver software it has a detection software that shows you the #?.device drivers from your DEVS: directory. Click on the one from the GVP device you are using and it will show you all SCSI devices including your CD-ROM drive. Click on the CD-ROM drive and it will create a mountlist entry for you that appears on boot.
The next time you boot your machine you will see the OS3.9 CD in all it's uncolored unsupported glowicons glory. From this point it is easy to create the boot disk necessary or do an install.
Good luck
nyteschayde@yahoo.com
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@ nyteschayde :
Files on the OS3.9 CD are aimed for use with OS3.9.
The easyiest way to go is making a basic install of OS3.1, boot with it (no need to set preferences), install needed third party libraries (P5 68040/060 library per example), and set up the CD0: driver as stated in my first post in this thread (point 5 to 8).
After that, installing OS3.9 from the CDRom would be a breeze ;-)
You even can do it with only the modified Workbench3.1: disk with a Blank Hard drive! you just need a blank floppy to create the OS3.9 emergency disk.
Why complicating simple things with PeeCee stuff :-?
Amigalement,
Jean-François.
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Ahh, I see !
We don't have the same rev of the HC+8 !
Mine has J12 jumpers in-line with the boards. Thanks for the scan.
pX
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@voxel
So would it be o.k. for me to use following:
FileSystem = L:AmiCDFS
Flags = 0
Surfaces = 1
SectorsPerTrack = 1
SectorSize = 2048
Mask = 0x7ffffffe
MaxTransfer = 0x100000
Reserved = 0
Interleave = 0
LowCyl = 0
HighCyl = 0
Buffers = 5
BufMemType = 0
StackSize = 1000
Priority = 10
GlobVec = -1
DosType = 0x43444653 (AmiCDFS)
What do you think from above must be different on my SCSI controller?
/* The Device and Unit fields are
*
* Device = evolution.device
* Unit = 5
*/
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voxel wrote:
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4 : copy Storage3.1:DOSDrivers/CD0 and CD0.info to you workbench3.1:devs/dosdrivers/ drawer,
(...)
Amigalement,
Jean-François.
How can I make an icon file from scratch ? I don't have CD0.info. I suppose it's not difficult to create it/copy it from another file, any pitfalls ?
pX
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@xaccrocheur
CD0 and CD0.info should be on your wb3.1-storage disk or on your HD (look in storage folder).
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@all :
It's installed ! Thank you very much !!!
Now the Install CD mounts, it's showing as soon as boot ends. 2 questions :
# Why can't I open the CD tray, like under Linux ? Do I have to manually "unmount" it, or dump it into trash ?
# Why are the credits and readme stuff stupidly tied to OS3.9 - specific apps ? The "WhoDiIt" icon has the "notepad" or something tooltype, and that is NOT smart. Oh well ;-)
# Is'nt there some sort of "entreprise" license ? I mean intended for large parks of machines, like a renderfarm... Well, it's not expensive, I'm just asking.
On the same level I was considering getting a AOne through my company, to avoid nasty taxes. AND to show the machine in a production environment. Does AINC handle nicely those propositions, like say PalmComputing, who nearly *give* you the machines if you are either a Pro developper, a journalist or a Company buyer, or even a good social engineer 8-)
pX
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Aminet contains several programs that allow media to be ejected from
the Workbench.
Aminet eject
search (http://us.aminet.net/aminet/aminet.cgi?string=eject)
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@ xaccrocheur :
>How can I make an icon file from scratch ? I don't have CD0.info.
Just do that in the CLI :
copy workbench3.1:devs/dosdrivers/pipe.info to workbench3.1:devs/dosdrivers/CD0.info
next go to workbench, open the dosdrivers drawer and edit the CD0 icon tooltypes, change ACTIVATE=0 (mount and wait first call to the volume) to ACTIVATE=1 (mount and use immediatelly)
Et voila :-)
Amigalement,
Jean-françois.
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># Why are the credits and readme stuff stupidly tied to OS3.9 - specific apps ?
R : Cause it uses specific OS3.9 routines not necessary present in old kickstarts ;-)
># Is'nt there some sort of "entreprise" license ? I mean intended for large parks of machines, like a renderfarm... Well, it's not expensive, I'm just asking.
R : until now... no ;-) (but AmigaOS is cheap enough to buy multiple copies), BTW ask fleccy :-)
>nearly *give* you the machines
R : don't dream so much :-D at least not until the Amiga is succesfull again (soon) ;-)
Amigalement,
Jean-François.