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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: som99 on September 20, 2005, 12:40:23 PM
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Hello i have a dream to get internet to work on my amiga 500 the amgia got 1MB memory and the rest is original, i got workbench 1.2, workbench 1.33 original and around 400 diskets with games and some disk. now mt rpoblem is that i want to get internet to work from my PC, My pc got 24Mb broadband and i just want to get it to work on the amiga im happy if i even get the speed 12bps just to get it work dont know if i must use null modem kable or how please give me some help do i also need webrower for it?
a turtorial on this will make me realy happy
thx in adw
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@som99:
I think there was a never released version of the tcp/ip-stack AS225 that could be run under kickstart1.3, but you will need atleast kickstart2.0 to run the existing tcp/ip-stacks.
With some dedication and work, you should be able to get the last free version of AmiTCP - AmiTCP3.0b2 (http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/amiga/gnu/tcpip/) running in that 1MB of memory you have over a nullmodem cable using either the slip (http://de.aminet.net/pub/aminet/comm/net/sana2-cslip.lha) or ppp (http://de.aminet.net/pub/aminet/comm/net/PPP1_45.lha) protocol. Which of those two you can use depends on the capabilities of your pc os.
A tip regarding AmiTCP3.0b2: the startnet script created by the installation will contain an error - exactly what is mentioned in the notes or readme in the archives root-dir.
You might also find this (http://web.archive.org/web/20020320100559/http://vgr.com/tia/12.html) and continued here (http://web.archive.org/web/20020320100559/http://vgr.com/tia/13.html) useful regarding how to fix the startnet script issue and the AmiTCP setup in general.
/Patrik
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thy for the help but I dont know to much about amiga so the things you just said is nothing i know about so please explain a easier explanation how to do this. ty in adw
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@som99
Getting this to work is very very hard. I'd suggest you try to learn the basics first before attempting.
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Maybe you can mange it with a copy of NOS, a minimal internet operating systems for the amiga 500 and other models that can handle among other protocols the ax25 used in HAM-Radio Communications.
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i have had that same vision.
unfortunatly most good brousers wont run under os1.x
I have always wanted to see a screen shot of an A500 on the internet using os1.x
but i think you will need 3.1
I have 3 A500's kicking around and one of them has 3.1 roms in it. i upgraded it because i was doing an A500 prodject to run the latest 68k AmigaOS (3.9) and use it.
i gave up on the prodject in search for a Viper530 accelorator.
68030 @ xx mhz and 128MB Ram + 3.5" IDE Controller
very very rare though. and had no luck in finding one though :cry:
Im sure there is software for the a500 1.x OS you just have to do some research.
good luck
:-)
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i have done it with an a500 but you will need to upgrade/aquire the following things memory, hard drive, workbench 2.0+, and a tcpip stack.
i never was able to get the amitcp to work with a modem however miami worked fine. sadly i understand miami is no longer available for purchase. i don't know of any other tcpip stack that will work as good as miami though. :-(
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@jkirk:
AmiTCP works fine as long as you manage to get the configuration ok. It is also faster and takes less memory than Miami. You should be able to make it run from diskette if you really wanted to.
/Patrik
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that was the problem the configuration files are daunting for even knowledgeable users. but i do agree it is faster.
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Ok thx for all help the reason i wanted to get internet on a amina 500 is that im in 3rd grade in collage and have a project so my technic techet told me to get internet to work on a amiga 500 so i acceptet it as a project and went on searching for information to get it to wrork then my new question is dosent amiga forever or amiga explorer have any functions to get this to work?
ops one more thing editet post :P so i need mroe memory than 1MB? and allso kickstar 2.0 dosent work on amiga 500 does it cuz amiga 500 only use kick rom 1.3?
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amigaforever currently comes with workbench 3.9 installed and yes it does have a tcpip stack but i believe that os requires an '020 processor so i don't know if the tcpip stack would function on an a500.
you can purchase version 2.1 and 3.1 kick rom for a500 this usually comes with the os. you just replace the one currently on the motherboard.
PS make sure the rom is for an a500 as there are different roms for different models.
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ok ty for the help but where can i find these roms for a not to high cost?
ty in adw
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since you asked about amiga forever the os disks are on the cd for all versions as well as the rom files(for use in winuae) but to get the rom itself try here.
softhut (http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=catalog/software/operating_sys/os31.html&cart_id=7829898_8375)
2.04 rom at softhut (http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=catalog/hardware/custom_chips/chip_kickstart.html&cart_id=4845538_8947)
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@som99:
With "internet on the A500", do you mean internet as a working tcp/ip stack on an A500 connected to the internet, or is it in layman terms as in "web browsing on an A500"? The latter takes more hardware and software to accomplish than the former.
As you live in sweden, the easiest thing would be to buy a 3.1 kickstart from www.ggs-data.se. You could probably get the 3.1 workbench disks from there too. If not, get it from www.vesalia.de (inside the eu). And as jkirk said OS3.1 is the most recent version you can run on clean A500 as 3.5 and 3.9 requires a 68020 cpu at a minimum (the A500 has a 68000).
If you are gonna pull this of though, you will need to know some about how to use the amiga workbench and software for it.
/Patrik
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OK ty dudes you guys realy know like everything ;) hmm i mean webbrowsing. so what do i need kick rom 2.04-2.05 or 3.1 chip? like i understand i cant use AmigaOS 3.9 on older chips then 3.1 and does realy AmigaOS 3.9 work on a miga 500? then il might need much more memory (RAM) and/or a harddrive dont I?
ty in adw
//som99
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@som99:
List of stuff you need:
3.1 kickstart ROM
3.1 Workbench disks
A harddrive controller with builtin memory-expansion such as for example the GVP Impact HD8+ (http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/search.pl?product=a500&company=gvp). Be aware that those can be a bit tricky to get hold of and if they don't come with a preinstalled os you _will need_ to partition a harddrive on the Amiga and how to install the os.
Vesalia is cheapest on the 3.1 kickstart ROM + 3.1 Workbench disks, they charge 17.90 + 9.90 EUR for it.
There is absolutely no problem running 3.9 on an A500 given that you have an accelerator with a 68020 or better cpu on it. There are even 68040 accelerators for it like the PP&S Progressive 500/40 (http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/search.pl?product=500&company=pp%26s).
Btw, where in sweden do you live?
/Patrik
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AFAIK 3.9 will work with an a500 if you have kickstart 3.1 and an 020 accelerator. at original specs 3.1 is the best you can go to.
2.04 or 3.1 will be my suggestion 2.05 don't buy you anything more than 2.04 and was designed for the a600.
so if you want 3.1 os get the 3.1 chip( my personal reccomendation)
if you want to go for 2.1 os get the 2.04 rom.(3.1 will run version 2 workbench also IIRC.)
biggest reason to get 3.1 (DATATYPES)
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ok ty for the help il look around for some of the stuff you mentioned but if i got a 3.1 rom then i cant run all the old amiga games i have can I? I live in klippan in skåne its a bit near ängelholm and klippan is in the north east side of skåne.
//som99
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There are even 68040 accelerators for it
Sweet i did not know they existed. wonder if they are still being sold somewhere.
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ok ty dude then if i buy a rom i will buy a 3.1 rom but does all old amiga 500 (1.3 rom) games work on 3.1 os and 3.1 rom? and also i need a harddrive dont i to use 3.1 os?
would it all be much easier to try to get internet (webbrowser) to work on a amiga 600? I know a guy near me selling a amiga 600 for 30 euro.
//som99
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@som99:
I agree with jkirk - 3.1 is a better choice, it is faster and more applications work with it is much more compatible with kick 1.2/1.3 games. If someone didnt get 2.04 back in the days it was because of some poor programmed games didnt work with it, but 3.1 is _much_ better in that aspect.
/Patrik
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but if i got a 3.1 rom then i cant run all the old amiga games i have can I?
some will some won't. for that you have two choices. now i don't know if it is compatible but there are programs such as relokick that will take a earlier rom and allow you to do a soft kickstart to run old games.
the route i would reccomend however is a kickstart switcher. this is a device that will allow you to switch between the two kickstarts. just remember os 2.0/3.0 won't function with 1.3 active.
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@som99:
The A600 will be cheaper to get on the net as it has a IDE harddrive-controller and room for a 2.5" (laptop) harddrive.
There are caveats though - first you will need to get a 3.1 kickstart for that one too (2.05 is standard) as the only webbrowser available for 2.1 is the oldest version of AMosaic and that one cant show many pages. The other caveat is that you will have to get more memory as the A600 has way to little memory even if it is expanded to 2MB chipmem to be able to use a browser.
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If it already has 2MB chipmem, (1MB standard), you can upgrade its fastmem using a 4MB PCMCIA static ram card. I dont know where you can buy those though :-(.
/Patrik
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ty all but still i need a harddrive dont i? and would it be easier to buy a amiga 600 and get internet to work on it or do you think i shall stick with my amiga 500 that i did buy in 1990 (for 7000$ i think) my ever first computer :)
ty dudes for all fast replies you guys are realy nice helping a poor noob like me ouy here :) also you 2 have realy much knowlage in amiga hardware and software :) keep the amiga alive :)
//som99
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@som99:
An old reasonably sized 2.5" harddrive is cheap. Keep below 4GB to avoid OS issues. Also the partitions on it needs to be smaller than 2GB.
/Patrik
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yes an a600 is a better choice as far as expandability. you might even be able to get an ethernet card for the pcmcia slot(rev 1)if you can get the drivers. not to mention the ide port. it also has a later chipset than the a500 allowing more functionality(chip, display modes,etc..)
however if you are contemplating this the jump to a a1200 might be more feasable in the long run.
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Dont forget that you cant expand the memory of the A600 more than 2MB (without rare and expensive accelerator) if you use the pcmcia port for a ethernet nic. And I am very unsure if say IBrowse would launch with just 2MB memory.
Btw, check out this (http://viten.mine.nu:8080/) A600 :D.
/Patrik
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How about good old Alynx?
Yes, it is text only, but it IS a web-browser.
http://main.aminet.net/comm/net/ALynx.lha
http://www.aminet.net/package.php?package=comm/net/ALynx.lha
Works on kick2.04/OS2.0x too
-Paul
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so to sum it up
a500 can be done with some investment(Could be expensive)
a600 more reasonable for this project but upgrades are rare(trapdoor only)
a1200 best bang for buck (strictly from a classic perspective) upgrades are more plentiful than other two models.
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How about good old Alynx?
i used to use that. didn't like it though. heck i purchased voyager 1.x and used that on my system. though i turned all pictures off.
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OK now i know much more than i knew erlier today thx to you guys :) so 2.5" i aldredy have one on 1.7GB :D . I think i will stick to the Amiga 500 plans cuz its old and i love that machine :) cant even explain how much u guys have helped me :) ty a millions guys. btw Patrik on the amiga 600 server you sended link to is it you the owner talks about in the credits? now back to solving problems and looking around. without you guys this wouldent be possible for me :)
yours
//som99
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@som99:
Yes, unfortunately it is me ;-).
Btw, as you are a swede, dont forget to visit the swedish amigaforum safir (http://safir.amigaos.se/).
/Patrik
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@som99
I wish you all the best of luck with your prodject
Dont forget to post a screen grab when it is done.
Cheers
SamOS3.9 :-)
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yea will take some photos when done :) sure il check out that forum :)