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(http://www.amiga.org/uploads/cavt402e47c6b71c6.jpg)
Darrin's avatar, desecrating the Union Jack (In my opinion).
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Would you care to explain your opinion? I'd be interested to hear it. Also, feel free to explain why you didn't have the balls to at least PM me to join this debate.
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Have you ever eaten a tank bullet, Darrin? Ah, you don't have the balls for that now do you?
Whatever flag one would use doesn't matter, but I really would be offended if a Dutch flag would be used in such an avatar. As if I, as a Dutch citizen, should agree with people being blown to pieces.
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Let me see, I'm a British citizen, living in America and have served in the British Army. I served for 3 years with The Queens Own Hussars which was a type 57 Challenger tank regiment. The tank in the picture is a Challenger tank (a Challenger 2 to be exact).
If you have a problem with my avitar then too bad. I have no idea what your dumb "eating tank bullets" remark is about. Tanks fire shells, but are also equipped with machine guns. Of course, you have no idea about the military, no idea about world politics and never been to the Middle East.
Please feel free to post again and make yourself look like a bigger idiot.
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Darrin wrote:
Let me see, I'm a British citizen, living in America and have served in the British Army. I served for 3 years with The Queens Own Hussars which was a type 57 Challenger tank regiment. The tank in the picture is a Challenger tank (a Challenger 2 to be exact).
If you have a problem with my avitar then too bad. I have no idea what your dumb "eating tank bullets" remark is about. Tanks fire shells, but are also equipped with machine guns. Of course, you have no idea about the military, no idea about world politics and never been to the Middle East.
Please feel free to post again and make yourself look like a bigger idiot.
Why haven't you been blown to pieces then? I mean, if you enjoy war so much you should like every aspect of it, no?
No, you get aroused of killing people, so much you have to rape women over there. :pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed:
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LOL. You're so stupid it's probably not worth even chatting with you.
Come on, explain why I like killing. Do you know any soldiers? Obviously not, because then you know that no soldier enjoys war. It's the media that likes a good war so they can feed the brainless masses some good old propaganda. What would you know about killing people? Obviously, you know as much about that as you do about orgasms and from your post it is plain to see that you associate sex with rape. That's probably how you get your jollies. I guess in your part of the world you could always hire a girl for sex, but then prostitudes are probably picky about who they sleep with too.
Now, don't hold back little man. Tell me what you really feel about my avitar.
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LOL. You're so stupid it's probably not worth even chatting with you.
Still, you do.
Darrin wrote:
It's the media that likes a good war so they can feed the brainless masses some good old propaganda.
and apparently you love it too, otherwise you wouldn't use such an avatar.
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Darrin wrote:
Tell me what you really feel about my avitar.
Can't you read? (Well, obviously you can't write)
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My avitar is to show my support for the troops in this world-wide war. You can believe whatever you like because thankfully for you there are soldiers dieing to keep you free to keep thinking these things.
I just find it amazing that I've had this avitar for years and only now, when I enter a forum and make a post to thank I guy who was worried about us members living near New Orleans, do I get attacked for it.
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Darrin wrote:Obviously, you know as much about that as you do about orgasms and from your post it is plain to see that you associate sex with rape.
No, that's a non-sequitor, because I clearly wrote that I associate war with rape. And that's quite factual, I can back up that statement with countless of facts.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Darrin wrote:
Tell me what you really feel about my avitar.
Can't you read? (Well, obviously you can't write)
I can read, but you're only telling me what you've been brainwashed into typing. I'm wondering if you actually have any thoughts of your own.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Darrin wrote:Obviously, you know as much about that as you do about orgasms and from your post it is plain to see that you associate sex with rape.
No, that's a non-sequitor, because I clearly wrote that I associate war with rape. And that's quite factual, I can back up that statement with countless of facts.
YOU associate war with rape because some survey says that during war there are rapes.
Please show me your "quite factual" reports that show where I or any of the soldiers I have served with have raped someone?
Using your poor grasp of logic, rape also happens in peacetime by civilians. So, using your argument, civilians must like to rape.
Nice try, but you're urinating into the wind with arguments like that.
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Darrin wrote:
My avitar is to show my support for the troops in this world-wide war. You can believe whatever you like because thankfully for you there are soldiers dieing to keep you free to keep thinking these things.
I just find it amazing that I've had this avitar for years and only now, when I enter a forum and make a post to thank I guy who was worried about us members living near New Orleans, do I get attacked for it.
Chapeau, mission accomplished, see propaganda at work, you THINK you die for freedom. But freedom can only be obtained when people understand the advantages.
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for instance (http://www.aztlan.net/worst_photos_not_released.htm)
another one (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1214698,00.html)
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Darrin wrote:Obviously, you know as much about that as you do about orgasms and from your post it is plain to see that you associate sex with rape.
No, that's a non-sequitor, because I clearly wrote that I associate war with rape. And that's quite factual, I can back up that statement with countless of facts.
Wait a minute! I think I've read a bit deeper into what you're saying. You associate war with rape because you were in a war and were gang raped by soldiers! That's why! Oh, it';s clear now. Sorry about my misunderstanding. No wonder you can't have a normal sexual relationship after that trauma. Still, in time, I'm sure your backside will recover and you'll be able to stop taking the medication.
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Gee, out of arguments, so you make things up yourself.
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to get back to the first question, no, i'm never "offended" by ANY picture. images, music, films, etc are all there to make people think and provote conversation.
hopefully.
ACTIONS, on the other hand, can often be offensive. I'm offended that this war was started for stupid reasons. namely, profit for the "have mores". I'm offended that people have been needlessly killed and worse for corportations. I'm offended by politians who's every word are lies.
I'm offended by politians using soldiers as pawns. and trying to aline themselves with the bravery that soldiers have without having any themselves. In effect they hide behind their troops. hoping the respect one has to have for the military will spill over on them.
I'm offended that these politians think i am so stupid that i would fall for such crap.
I'm offended by politians being so callous that they don't make plans dealing with a hurricane that they KNOW is on it's way - putting uncounted 1000's in fatal danger.
why waste time talking about a picture when there's so much more to be offended by.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
for instance (http://www.aztlan.net/worst_photos_not_released.htm)
ROTFL!!!
Oh, if this is the sort of trash you read then you're beyond hope. You still live with your mother don't you.
This whole site is a work of fiction with articles from dubious "reporters". Hell, why don't you give me some links to some blogs too and call them facts.
You have a long article making a couple of references to "unseen" incidents which have been supposedly verified by people who haven't released the proof to the public. Classic stuff. Let's look at some other quotes:
> According to returning Mexican-American soldiers and
> staff members of Congressmen who have viewed the videos
> and photographs in private sessions, there are far more
> shocking photographs that have not been released to the
> public.
Really? Just no names and no pictures?
> Senator Richard J. Durbin himself said "There were some
> awful scenes. It felt like you were descending into one
> of the rings of hell, and sadly it was our own creation".
Is he talking about teh so-called video or talking about something else and being misquoted to help convince people like you?
> Other members of Congress said, after viewing the images,
Who?
> that they included Iraqi women exposing their breasts and
> other private parts.
Really? Where?
> Congressman Martin T. Meehan said, ''I was obviously
> shocked and horrified to discover that the new photos are
> even more gruesome than those we have seen in the media.
Is he really? Who is he? What was he horrified about? He doesn't say. What a surprise.
> Some of the pictures and videos show actual intercourse
> between male and female soldiers."
Oh no! The US soldiers are hetrosexual! Quick, court martial them before it spreads!
> In addition, the May 10-17 issue of Newsweek said that
> yet-unreleased Abu Ghraib abuse photos "include an
> American soldier having sex with a female Iraqi detainee
Does it? Is that really what it is?
> and American soldiers watching Iraqis have sex with
> juveniles."
Which could mean soldiers finding Iraqi's having sex with people below OUR legal age of consent, but not theirs. What are we supposed to do about it? Did they watch it and then "rescue" the person?
>What also has not been revealed to the American public is
>that the sexual humiliation of Islamic prisoners and rape
>of women detainees is actually an Israeli Jewish practice
> used by the Zionists against the Palestinians.
Well, that last sentence says it all. We can all see how "factual" your "reporter" is.
What is sad is that you're obviously prepared to believe anything rather than admit you may be wrong.
Hey, why don't you read the article on that site that says the US government deliberately didn't aid New Orleans because they're racist and what the blacks to suffer. Hey, you'll probably believe that too.
I could go on, but I think I've made my point.
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cecilia wrote:
why waste time talking about a picture when there's so much more to be offended by.
Because people "think" the way they act. A war does not simply begin with a gunshot, a war begins with propaganda.
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Darrin wrote:
I could go on, but I think I've made my point.
No you did not :-)
(just discussing the way you do)
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cecilia wrote:
to get back to the first question, no, i'm never "offended" by ANY picture. images, music, films, etc are all there to make people think and provote conversation.
hopefully.
ACTIONS, on the other hand, can often be offensive. I'm offended that this war was started for stupid reasons. namely, profit for the "have mores". I'm offended that people have been needlessly killed and worse for corportations. I'm offended by politians who's every word are lies.
I'm offended by politians using soldiers as pawns. and trying to aline themselves with the bravery that soldiers have without having any themselves. In effect they hide behind their troops. hoping the respect one has to have for the military will spill over on them.
I'm offended that these politians think i am so stupid that i would fall for such crap.
I'm offended by politians being so callous that they don't make plans dealing with a hurricane that they KNOW is on it's way - putting uncounted 1000's in fatal danger.
why waste time talking about a picture when there's so much more to be offended by.
Thanks you for actually explaining yourself.
Personally, I disagree with your viewpoint, but we live in a democracy and that's what democracy is all about - different viewpoints.
I guess a lot of people think that all of my friends think like I do. I'm a right of center, atheist, oilfeld worker and ex-soldier. My best mate is a left-wing socialist, biker, carpenter just like jesus!), christian. I can tell you that when we have a few a beers and decide to discuss politics and religion that the volume gets VERY loud.
Of course, we're still friends at the end of the night.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Darrin wrote:
I could go on, but I think I've made my point.
No you did not :-)
Damn, a smilie. I think you're either starting to chill out or realised that I'm deliberately winding you up a bit ;-)
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
cecilia wrote:
why waste time talking about a picture when there's so much more to be offended by.
Because people "think" the way they act. A war does not simply begin with a gunshot, a war begins with propaganda.
But the point is, how do they end? That's the important thing (assuming you can't stop them to start with).
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There are very few things I do not take up lightly. War is one of them.
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Darrin wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
cecilia wrote:
why waste time talking about a picture when there's so much more to be offended by.
Because people "think" the way they act. A war does not simply begin with a gunshot, a war begins with propaganda.
But the point is, how do they end? That's the important thing (assuming you can't stop them to start with).
If propaganda is the cause, propaganda is the measure. Take out both fox and al jazeera. But also, don't lie about it, be clear about it. We've seen it by our friendly neighbours, the Germans (difference in amount of nazi's in former DDR and BRD - The Communists ignored the Nazi past, but the BRD did not)
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
There are very few things I do not take up lightly. War is one of them.
Trust me (and I'm serious now), as someone who has done three operational tours, I do not take war lightly.
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Darrin wrote:
I can read, but you're only telling me what you've been brainwashed into typing. I'm wondering if you actually have any thoughts of your own.
Resorting to insults because someone doesn't agree with your POV?
You could say it points to a lack of any thoughts/arguements of your own.
Getting back on topic, I don't find Darrin's avatar offensive, all it says to me is that he's proud of his military background, maybe other people are reading more into it or maybe I've missed the point of this thread completely.
And on the subject of avatars, isn't mdma's one illegal under the new UK tobacco laws?
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If propaganda is the cause, propaganda is the measure. Take out both fox and al jazeera. But also, don't lie about it, be clear about it. We've seen it by our friendly neighbours, the Germans (difference in amount of nazi's in former DDR and BRD)
Yes, taking out the extreme viewpoints on both the lefta nd right would help. The trouble is that we would then have people screaming "censorship!" and "freedom of speech".
What we really need is for people to simply respect their own borders. If they have a religion that teaches peace and respect then they should try practicing what they preach. Athesist have an easy time - they know everyone else is wrong so they just try and ignore them ;-)
Anyway, if there is one thing that travelling has taught me is that "joe average", no matter where he is living, just wants a quiet life and to be left in peace. Unfortunately, there's always some greedy little git who thinks he knows what everyone else should be thinking and wants to stuff his ideas down their throats, or a tinpot dictator who can't organise his own country and wants to take someone elses.
I vote for making a Mars colony and leaving this whole mess behind.
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Darrin wrote:
If propaganda is the cause, propaganda is the measure. Take out both fox and al jazeera. But also, don't lie about it, be clear about it. We've seen it by our friendly neighbours, the Germans (difference in amount of nazi's in former DDR and BRD)
Yes, taking out the extreme viewpoints on both the lefta nd right would help. The trouble is that we would then have people screaming "censorship!" and "freedom of speech".
Ah yes, but it's more about the amount. Like spam. If people only see fox fox fox fox they think fox and they do fox. If people see war war war war they think war and they do war. If people only see once war then there's no prob.
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Doobrey wrote:
Resorting to insults because someone doesn't agree with your POV?
You could say it points to a lack of any thoughts/arguements of your own.
You're quite correct, but I was a little pi$$ed off at the time and was deliberately baiting him. I pride myself on my ability to get under peoples' skin :-)
Getting back on topic, I don't find Darrin's avatar offensive, all it says to me is that he's proud of his military background, maybe other people are reading more into it or maybe I've missed the point of this thread completely.
Exactly. It also shows my support for my friends who are still serving and are over there right now doing a very difficult job. I just wish the media would show more footage of the people being helped and who welcome the UK soldiers.
And on the subject of avatars, isn't mdma's one illegal under the new UK tobacco laws?
You're right. And as a non-smoker, I find it HIGHLY OFFENSIVE! Does anyone else find it HIGHLY OFFENSIVE? ;-)
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Darrin wrote:
You're right. And as a non-smoker, I find it HIGHLY OFFENSIVE! Does anyone else find it HIGHLY OFFENSIVE? ;-)
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Darrin wrote:
Yes, taking out the extreme viewpoints on both the lefta nd right would help.
Oh, and btw. it's not about extreme viewpoints, nor it's about left and right, it's about how they think how good their viewpoint is and that it's truly worth dying for.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Darrin wrote:
You're right. And as a non-smoker, I find it HIGHLY OFFENSIVE! Does anyone else find it HIGHLY OFFENSIVE? ;-)
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Oh damn! He's REALLY going to be in a mood then. My wife gave up 14 months ago and I still have to wear my old helmet and flak jacket just to say "good morning honey!"
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Darrin wrote:
You're quite correct, but I was a little pi$$ed off at the time and was deliberately baiting him. I pride myself on my ability to get under peoples' skin :-)
I don't think I'll ever get used to that rude way of discussing.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Darrin wrote:
You're quite correct, but I was a little pi$$ed off at the time and was deliberately baiting him. I pride myself on my ability to get under peoples' skin :-)
I don't think I'll ever get used to that rude way of discussing.
Well, read your initial reply to me and compare it to the others posted after. You weren't exactly "friendly" to me.
Anyway, if you'd like to retract the rather nasty accusations you made towards me and MY military friend's then I'll apologise for the rude and nasty things I said about you. Deal?
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Darrin wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Darrin wrote:
You're right. And as a non-smoker, I find it HIGHLY OFFENSIVE! Does anyone else find it HIGHLY OFFENSIVE? ;-)
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Oh damn! He's REALLY going to be in a mood then. My wife gave up 14 months ago and I still have to wear my old helmet and flak jacket just to say "good morning honey!"
Gee, sounds familiar (considering this thread)
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Darrin wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Darrin wrote:
You're quite correct, but I was a little pi$$ed off at the time and was deliberately baiting him. I pride myself on my ability to get under peoples' skin :-)
I don't think I'll ever get used to that rude way of discussing.
Well, read your initial reply to me and compare it to the others posted after. You weren't exactly "friendly" to me.
True, but you began saying MDMA has no balls,
Anyway, if you'd like to retract the rather nasty accusations you made towards me and MY military friend's then I'll apologise for the rude and nasty things I said about you. Deal?
It's the war rush in general, what I am talking about, not in particular your military friends. Though don't think they're immune to it (nor am I nor you nor anyone). I fear anyone can become a monster in such a situation, whether on the good side or the bad side. So essentially that's an apology I think.
(but please don't hail that situation with such an avatar)
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
It's the war rush in general, what I am talking about, not in particular your military friends. Though don't think they're immune to it (nor am I nor you nor anyone). I fear anyone can become a monster in such a situation, whether on the good side or the bad side. So essentially that's an apology I think.
(but please don't hail that situation with such an avatar)
Then I think this is one too. I apologise.
Anyway, the avitar stays as a testiment to the brave soldiers who are putting their lives on the line for others all over the world.
Just as a point of interest, I'm wring this from a drilling rig in West Africa. I grabbed a copy of the personnel list and noted that 100 people on board from 17 different countries, all friends and all working as a team. Makes you wonder why we can't manage it on dry land...
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Darrin wrote:
Anyway, the avitar stays as a testiment to the brave soldiers who are putting their lives on the line for others all over the world.
The nazi soldiers were tought the Americans would know no mercy. I mean, don't underestimate the power and the invisibility of propaganda.
And, what IF the Americans would face a far superior army, as in, a no-win situation?
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
The nazi soldiers were tought the Americans would know no mercy.
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here?
And, what IF the Americans would face a far superior army, as in, a no-win situation?
Well that's what nukes are for. Haven't you ever played Civilization?
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Darrin wrote:
Just as a point of interest, I'm wring this from a drilling rig in West Africa. I grabbed a copy of the personnel list and noted that 100 people on board from 17 different countries, all friends and all working as a team. Makes you wonder why we can't manage it on dry land...
Because they're well fed, well equipped, a future perspective, an achieveable goal, shared interests and a job to do.
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Darrin wrote:
And, what IF the Americans would face a far superior army, as in, a no-win situation?
Well that's what nukes are for. Haven't you ever played Civilization?
In Civilization the world IS the Netherlands.
But seriously, my country faced a far superior army during WW2. Both diplomacy (as in, staying neutral) and violence failed miserably. Think if we were the only country in the world resisting the far superior German army. What would you do? Well, at least what should have been done has not been done, because WW2 essentially started in 1918, so, too late, way too late. Conquering the hearts of the enemy is the only option left. You Americans were quite on the right way doing that. Pity there was Vietnam.
Oh, and vaporizing countless of random people is not an option I think. It's not very charming, doesn't make you very reliable.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Darrin wrote:
Just as a point of interest, I'm wring this from a drilling rig in West Africa. I grabbed a copy of the personnel list and noted that 100 people on board from 17 different countries, all friends and all working as a team. Makes you wonder why we can't manage it on dry land...
Because they're well fed, well equipped, a future perspective, an achieveable goal, shared interests and a job to do.
So perhaps your anger would be better vented towards the goverments of the countries that don't allow their people to progress. Yes?
You've identified the problem, but you're not seeing the source.
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Darrin wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Darrin wrote:
Just as a point of interest, I'm wring this from a drilling rig in West Africa. I grabbed a copy of the personnel list and noted that 100 people on board from 17 different countries, all friends and all working as a team. Makes you wonder why we can't manage it on dry land...
Because they're well fed, well equipped, a future perspective, an achieveable goal, shared interests and a job to do.
So perhaps your anger would be better vented towards the goverments of the countries that don't allow their people to progress. Yes?
You've identified the problem, but you're not seeing the source.
That's another discussion.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
That's another discussion.
A long one? :-)
Anyway, have to run now - work calls. Have a pint of Dutch beer for me as we're not allowed any out here.
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Darrin wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
That's another discussion.
A long one? :-)
Aye
And a difficult one too (at least, if we let it be :-/).
Anyway, have to run now - work calls. Have a pint of Dutch beer for me as we're not allowed any out here.
Okay, cheers (pops open a nice "Gulpener" beer) :pint:
(http://www.potjebier.nl/bieren/gulpener/gif/korenwolf.jpg)
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mdma wrote:
(http://www.amiga.org/uploads/cavt402e47c6b71c6.jpg)
Darrin's avatar, desecrating the Union Jack (In my opinion).
Since I'm not particular patriotic, I really could not care less what someone chooses to do with the union flag :-)
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Hum,
the tank is going to crush the flags anyway...
More to the point is Bloodlines avatar which is particularly tasteless given the recent tube way bombings...
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Perhaps more interesting is the fact that there are 47 replys in this thread... yet it's only been viewed 27 times :-?
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Darrin wrote:
Would you care to explain your opinion? I'd be interested to hear it.
The tank isn't really what offends me, it's the star spangled banner bolted onto it that does.
Also, feel free to explain why you didn't have the balls to at least PM me to join this debate.
Too busy.
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mdma wrote:
The tank isn't really what offends me, it's the star spangled banner bolted onto it that does.
I can't believe you can be so openly racist. I don't know what disturbs me more, the fact that you're a racist or the fact that you're a racist in a teaching job. As long as there are extremists like you on both sides then there will never be peace, but then you don't really want peace because then you'll have nothing to complain about. Sad.
Too busy.
At least that's an honest and fair answer.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Okay, cheers (pops open a nice "Gulpener" beer) :pint:
(http://www.potjebier.nl/bieren/gulpener/gif/korenwolf.jpg)
Drool!
(Darrin open a can of Coke and pretends that it is beer)
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I can't believe you can be so openly racist. I don't know what disturbs me more, the fact that you're a racist or the fact that you're a racist in a teaching job. As long as there are extremists like you on both sides then there will never be peace, but then you don't really want peace because then you'll have nothing to complain about. Sad.
It has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with politics.
I find it worrying that someone as obviously patriotic as yourself finds nothing wrong with associating the country you are proud of with the current regime controlling the USA.
I'm not even that patriotic either.
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FFS, what a friggin' useless piece of thread this is...
If you have problems with someone, someone's posts or someone's avatar pmail the person or contact an admin.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
cecilia wrote:
why waste time talking about a picture when there's so much more to be offended by.
Because people "think" the way they act. A war does not simply begin with a gunshot, a war begins with propaganda.
that's not true, sweets.
honestly. I learned from my grandfather - who spend several years of his teenage years in the trenches exactly WHO is to blame for war.
politicians. their greed. their ego.
while he was sitting in water up to his waist he had no hatred of the germans across the way. he knew they were victims like he was. victims of the stupidity of politians who are too cowardly to fight their own fights. instead they send out others to "argue" for them.
morons.
if people truely understood this we would insist that all heads of governments who have issues with anyone else get into a ring and fight it out themselves. sort of like TV Wrestling. (which i never watch, btw).
that way, they wouldn't have to kill anyone else and might actually provide entertainment for those who like that sort of thing. :-P
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cecilia wrote:
politicians. their greed. their ego.
You can't be a politician without support. So he/she must fit in the common sense, "the good thing to do". Propaganda is a very slow process of steering that common sense.
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cecilia wrote:
politicians. their greed. their ego.
Not always. In some cases, there is an escalating conflict over scarce resources---water, minerals, ports, oil. In other cases, religion is the underlying cause. In yet further cases, it is social inequality (Rwanda) or misguided ideas about what social system is 'right' and which is 'wrong' (capitalism vs. communism). A century ago, you could start a war because it was assumed there was honour and glory to be found on the battlefield. World War I took care of that misguided romantic idea forever.
Propaganda is just a means to an end, because nobody wants to start, let alone be in a war---it costs a heck of a lot of money and it costs lives of civilians too.
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all of that simply translates to stupidity that prevents people from logically discussing peaceful solutions to problems.
EGO.
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cecilia wrote:
if people truely understood this we would insist that all heads of governments who have issues with anyone else get into a ring and fight it out themselves. sort of like TV Wrestling. (which i never watch, btw).
that way, they wouldn't have to kill anyone else and might actually provide entertainment for those who like that sort of thing. :-P
Or perhaps we can insist that our leaders actually have a nicely above average IQ and let them battle it out in chess or something :-)
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Karlos wrote:
cecilia wrote:
if people truely understood this we would insist that all heads of governments who have issues with anyone else get into a ring and fight it out themselves. sort of like TV Wrestling. (which i never watch, btw).
that way, they wouldn't have to kill anyone else and might actually provide entertainment for those who like that sort of thing. :-P
Or perhaps we can insist that our leaders actually have a nicely above average IQ and let them battle it out in chess or something :-)
Wouldn´t work for Stalin because he would send all the pawns to Sibria!!!! :lol:
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cecilia wrote:
all of that simply translates to stupidity that prevents people from logically discussing peaceful solutions to problems.
EGO.
Not quite. The ultimate problem on this planet is overpopulation, not ego. Ego is what you need to make sure that at least your culture gets its share (and if it all possible, more than necessary) resources it needs to survive. ALL of this world's problems can be solved quite peacefully by forbidding 99,99% of all humans to breed until they die. Just sterilise them with a healthy dose of gamma radiation from all that leftover nuclear waste. Painless and quite effective. Afterwards, instate strict birth control policies, using genetic engineering if necessary. That is the ultimate logical and peaceful solution, but thanks to outdated social ('Christ ordains us') and economic ('Growth is Good') viewpoints, this ever becoming a reality stands as much chance as a snowball has in hell. The result, a world free of war, poverty, inequality, pollution and quite a good bit of religion, is obviously not a good enough motivation; the freedom to screw and breed like rabbits is too powerful and addictive to give up. DNA controls us well.
If you don't control the influx of human DNA into this world, all policies aimed at cutting down on use of resources (including minerals, oil, land, water, food, energy and what not) are in the end ineffective. I've seen very simple calculations which tell me that in order to maintain the same level of pollution as in 1990, our resource efficiency has to increase on average by a factor of 50. Imagine that. Your energy bill divided by 50. Your water bill divided by 50. Your food produced using 50 times less energy. Travel requiring 50 times less energy. Completely ludicrous and utterly impossible, of course. Even a factor 10 is very, very difficult.
Right now it is the Third World countries and the environment itself who are paying the terrible price for our continued well-being---which I am heartily addicted to and won't give up without a fight---but once they become healthy nations, the world is really in deep sh*t. India and China are slowly coming up to speed now, and that means that in another 20, 30 years, the world has to provide for 2 billion people living a lifestyle which promotes excessive use of resources.
Yay us.
Thank god for momentary relief in the form of AIDS, H5N1 (the bird flu virus), excessive environmental pollution in densely populated areas, obesity and related cardiovascular diseases, various wars, and natural disasters. And ego. It just might prolong the big bang until after I die---of natural causes, I hope.
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If it's any consolation, last time I was in China I saw a McDonalds and two KFC's in just our little town. Looks like your prediction of obseity and cardiovascular diseases is heading their way.
You right about over-population. Most the hardships I see in Africa could be solved with the widespread use of condoms and the shoot of the Catholic missionaries that keep telling people not to use them or they'll burn in hell. At least China tried to control the population. We were partners on a project with Government owned comapny and the workers told me that if they had more than 2 children then they would be fired from their jobs as punishment. I heard that from several sources so I assume it's true, however the Chineese are good at "shuffling" family members around so it looks like they only have two.
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cecilia wrote:
we would insist that all heads of governments who have issues with anyone else get into a ring and fight it out themselves. sort of like TV Wrestling. (which i never watch, btw).
Nah, make them play multi-player Civilization 3 instead. If they play it on the largest map then they'll all get bored and go home before there's a winner.
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You are in charge of your own emotions friend. Nothing can offend you without your permission - your reaction to anything is the responsibility of no-one else.
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@Cymric
There is a much more humane solution. Just look at northern europe or Japan. When a certain living standard is reached the majority of people don´t want to have many( if any) kids.
But allowing "religion" to influence schools to teach "abstince" and allowing nutcases having a say in how aid-programs should be run, that should be dealt with! HARD!
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I certainly do not find that image offensive.
Overpopulation certainly is a problem, but a related problem is consumerism. I'm not going to get into a massive capitalist/socialist debate, but I will say this:
Thing of all the waste produced as a result of people buying packaged food from supermarkets, think of the fuel costs (and environmental costs) of transporting food around the world (my parents used to have something called 'seasonal produce', if it ain't in season, you cant't have it - not, go to Tesco and buy some that have been grown in Kenya), think of all the pointless electrical appliances left on 24/7, think of all the crap that drops through your door every day (junk mail) and all the paper and ink required for that, think of all the areas greedily cleared to make way for massive farms - oh, but they didn't realise that without trees the soil will all wash away.
THIS is the problem, all the pointless crap that people 'need' because they have been convinced they need it, and all the associated environmental and financial costs....
Oh, and taking up Cymric's point, notice how its only total neanderthals who seem to procreate endlessly?
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Cyberus wrote:
Oh, and taking up Cymric's point, notice how its only total neanderthals who seem to procreate endlessly?
That's no way to speak about the Irish! ;-)
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Doesn't offend me.
I think I remember roughly when Darrin changed it to that.
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Small Planet
And we are all defacating in the same pond !!
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and thats why i never learned to swim.....
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And what when a big swell swoops you of your stone?
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:lol:
Oh sheeeeeet !!