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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Amiga Emulation => Topic started by: dredger on September 03, 2005, 02:06:13 PM
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Hello all,
This post will be long but i like to be precise and explain all I already tried
So;
1. I have a A1200/030 with Quantum 800Mb HD, still working, using it and typing on it while listening mods. HD is 3 1/2 in Master mode. To plug it on my pc, i just had to change to slave mode as it's on the same cable than my plextor. I have a 2000+ with 1,5Gb Ram and FX5900, well, i have enough on this side
2. I installed WinUAE, and i also installed AIAB, but I dont really see the use of this ? It added a line in the "Configurations" panel of WinUAE, the following : Default (WinUAE v1.x configuration file for AIAB r10.5) I would guess it's a kind of profile. So I kept it and went in the Misc panel and checked the "UAE scsi.device" as I read in another post
3. Now, going in the Hard Drives section of WinUAE, I click on Add Harddrive button. It well listed me the Quantum HD, only this one, with a horrible name exactly the following : "HD_QUANTUM TRB850A A04.05 3536353835333233353133342020202020202020", I also checked r/w box. - Now ok, it list it in the Hard Drives window, following line :
Device: n/a - Volume: n/a - Path: HD_QUANTUM xxxx (the long name) - R/W: yes - Block Size: 512 - Size: 810.6M - BootPri: n/a
4. I tried to start WinUAE then ==> I have the insert disk page with "3.00 ROM 39.186" displayed.
So, dont work there
I tried another think :
5. Still in Hard Drives section of WinUAE I click on Add Hardfile. In Path I put the long name for the Quantum HD, nothing else changed and clicked on Ok. I have a line in the Hard Drives window which is now the following :
Device: DH0 - Volume: n/a - Path: HD_QUANTUM xxxx (the long name) - R/W: yes - Block Size: 512 - Size: 810.6M - BootPri: 0
I click on start button and here there's a change, I have grey screen with little box telling me "Not a DOS disk in device DH0" and retry/cancel options
One notice is that my HD is partionned. I divided it in 5 partitions. So it's maybe because WinUAE thinks it's only one partition of 810Mo but it's not, and maybe the problem is there !?
So I think I'm not so far to succeed, but Im stuck, I don't know what else i can do. If someone could help !? I wouldnt like to have to re-install all my workbench or whatever. I just would like to see my amiga screen with my boot sequence, my menus, well, all the same than when I start my A1200 in a window on my PC.
One last question : is there a utility for windows which permits to read an amiga HD connected to the PC and browse into the filesystem ? I mean a simple utility which would be transparent in explorer and accessing the amiga partitions like any other dos/ntfs partitions being able to manage files, and without, of course, destroying the amiga filesystem so I still can plug it back on my amiga and boot it ? Dont answer me "yes with WinUAE". I searched but didn't find.
Thanks for the ones who could maybe help
Dont hesistate to send me an email
Cheers
Alex
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Hi again,
I come to add one element :
I tried ADF Opus, I installed it. It need the adflib developped by L. Clevy (http://lclevy.club.fr/adflib/links.html)
But there's a problem, and apparently, the downloadable dll on this site is too old !?
when in ADF Opus v1.2, in the Menu=>File=>Open Device, i have 2 error msg windows, first one "ADFLib Error : ReadFSHDblock : FSHD id not found", i click ok then same window name with msg "adfMount : adfReadFSHDblock" and it's all.
So I tried ADF View (http://www.viksoe.dk/adfview/", but it doesnt work too.
And at least, on this page, it proposes to test if there's well an amiga HD connected to the pc, the small utility http://www.viksoe.dk/code/static_downloads/testhd.zip
I downladed it, extract, went into windows shell and launched the command and here are the results :
C:\>testhd 1
TestHD - Amiga HardDisk test utility
Running basic WindowsNT drive test...
Opening physical device: \\.\PhysicalDrive1
Getting drive geometry
Cylinders = 823
Tracks per cylinder = 32
Sectors per track = 63
Bytes per sector = 512
Disk size = 849494016 (Bytes) = 810 (Mb)
Locking device
Reading sector 0
52 44 53 4B 00 00 00 40 RDSK @
C6 9B 2C 30 00 00 00 07 ãø,0
00 00 02 00 00 00 00 08
FF FF FF FF 00 00 00 02
Unlocking device
Closing handles
Done
Parsing arguments...
Running ADFlib drive test...
Initializing ADFlib
ADFlib version: 0.7.9b (10 september, 2000)
Mounting the device: |H1
ADFLib: Error [ReadFSHDblock : FSHD id not found]
ADFLib: Error [adfMount : adfReadFSHDblock]
Error: Unable to mount device
Done
So I think that ADFlib is an OLD one, and the problem i'm having now and it's really annoying, is to FIND an updated version of this library !? And I can't find any ...
I went there https://sourceforge.net/projects/adfopus/ and there http://adfopus.sourceforge.net/ no way to find a new version of this dll newer than v0.7.9b, a compiled version, not the source...
And even if I find one, I still doubt that adview or adf opus will work !?
so, please, heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp ^^
Thanks
Alex
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You dont need to install AIAB, its out of date now and it actually can break your WinUAE install. I would recoment taking WinUAE off and then installing it all over again. You should then be able to plug in the hard drive and it will work after you select the option in WinUAE for it.
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Hi Alex,
Ok, I have tried this before and also have had issues. I am sure that you can stick an Amiga drive in a PC and boot from it with WinUAE, but, I have never gotten that to work.
If you just want to get or put files on an Amiga drive from a real Amiga, which is basically what I usually use WinUAE for, here is how I do it:
1. I keep an old AdSys PCI SCSI controller in my PC to hook Amiga drives to. I get the impression from your post that you are all set from a hardware standpoint though.
2. I install WinUAE, not AIAB though, I dont think that it hurts to install AIAB, I just dont need it.
3. I setup a "harddrive" on my PC which is used to boot Amiga OS3.1 from within WinUAE.
4. I then plug my SCSI drive into the controller (with the PC turned off, of course ...).
5. I open WinUAE and load my OS3.1 Amiga configuration.
6. Select "Hard Drives" under "Hardware"
7. Click "Add Harddrive ..." button.
8. WinUAE should automatically find your Amiga formatted drive connected to your PC.
9. Tell WinUAE what you want to mount the drive as.
This works for me, but, as is often the case, your mileage may vary. If it helps, I have been using version 0.9.92 of WinUAE for quite a while. I think you can choose to download previous versions on the WinUAE website. If not, let me know and I can dig out the version that I am using (I must have it somewhere ...) and send it to you.
I hope this helps you out.
Thanks,
Mike
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Or copy the whole Amiga harddrive into a folder in the WinUAE drawer (with PC), then add path to the folder in winuae prefs.
Now you can disconnect the amiga HD…
Boot the amiga os from the folder...
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Ok i did a lot your advises :
Uninstalled all WinUA and AIAB, delete all rep.
Re-install all (c:\amiga\winUAE dir.)
Copy rom files in the winuae dir.
Launch WinUAE - select UAE.scsi.device in the Misc options, save this profile in "configuration" panel
I add the harddisk in the HD section
I select rom 3.1
I launch : I come to the basic grey window with one window opened named AmigaDOS and I can't do much more.
I would say that the problem is coming from the adflib.dll file
Do someone have a Win32 binary version of adflib file newer than the one here http://lclevy.club.fr/adflib/adflib.html ?
At least, the solution to copy the whole HD on my PC would please me, copy an image, iso and whatever and use it. But "how to ?" The only software I know which makes a totally blind copy of a whole disk is Norton Symantec Ghost, and even, im not sure. But I think that the file he creates is not a known standard but a special one just for this software
Im at this time searching for a software which would copy the whole amiga HD to the PC. I hope the partitions will be kept. If someone knows an utility to do it, please let me know
Anyway, thanks for all of your replies !
btw, in the past, i had my name on various amiga pages, I had contact with Jim Collas (dunno if you remember), I pushed to have a standard dual screen on the basic new amiga (which never came), also, i proposed a eeprom disk of at least 4Mo which can be extended and completely managed by the OS which could put the most used file in it. And look now the PC news, they only start, in 2005, to sell kind of ram disk with little batteries. I proposed this idea in 1995 i think to Peter T.... (too complicate his name ;) The Arexx technology was also one of the big strenght of the amiga OS... bah it's too late now...
Cheers
Alex
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(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/hisaythere2/hmmm.gif),
It’s a lot simpler than that...
You have different partitions on the Amiga HD; work, workbench, storage, etc, yeah?
Just create different PC folders for each partition...
And drag and drop the contents into each one.
(Just add the differant paths in WinUAE prefs.)
You may prefer to boot from an .ADF workbench floppy to do that, or just use the PC...
Similarly you can creat a Virtual Hard disk file later on and drag and drop the folder contents into that (using the Winuae/Amiga)
i once just dragged the contents from my 0S 3.9 CD into PC folders (rather than use the OS installer)
BTW you are using XP?
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Yep i have different partitions, i just called them differently ... titi, toto, datas, jeux and ... dont remember the 5th one as my A1200 is opened and not connected at this time ;)
The problem is that i don't "see" the amiga HD, I don't see any partition. It's well listed in the list of HD available, it's the only one listed btw, but adding the HD to WinUAE in the "add harddisk" section doesnt give me after what I was expecting, I mean I was expecting to see then a list of my 5 partitions listed, and it's not the case.
And did i miss or what, but i think that WinUAE use the adflib library (dll so for windows), and when you look the little utility "testhd" I downloaded and when you look at the results i posted in a previous post :
Parsing arguments...
Running ADFlib drive test...
Initializing ADFlib
ADFlib version: 0.7.9b (10 september, 2000)
Mounting the device: |H1
ADFLib: Error [ReadFSHDblock : FSHD id not found]
ADFLib: Error [adfMount : adfReadFSHDblock]
Error: Unable to mount device
Done
... you clearly can see a problem with this library
Or i'm missing somewhere but where ?
And yes, i'm on WinXP SP2
So im still stucked ... :-(
ps: WinUAE is working well, im just looking at the old redsector megademo right now (with A500 emulation mode cause it crashed in A1200 emulation mode)
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hello,
I did what you're trying to do a few times before. I got my hd from a1200 (which is a 2.5 drive with 5 partitions), connected it to a pci IDE expansion card on my pc, and the winUAE could see it and boot it perfectly. I'm also on winxp sp2. I never selected uae.scsi device or something ? (maybe win uae did it automatically ?) what I could advice you is to try once as your amiga hd master drive in the secondary IDE channel (same jumper as on your amiga).I know it doesn't sound very logical but I think it's worth trying.
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Hi again,
I just tried, put the HD in master and alone on the cable, nothing changed
Look, i made a screenshoot of my hardrive panel once i added the HD,here it is :
(http://www.letsplay.be/UAE.jpg)
Can someone compare with what he's having ?
I'm starting to desespear ... or being angry, maybe both ^^
Cheers
Alex
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it looks pretty similar to mine. I'm using a western digital.
(http://www.xenoempathy.com/winuae.jpg)
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Hum,
It should work...
So, open an Amiga File Manager (http://amiga.emucamp.com/diropus4.htm) and try to find the HD, and the files on it...
Perhaps that may see it...
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Well it doesnt
Good think of the day is that with your post (blobrana) i discovered directory opus for pc, and it's great ! ^^
So i would need to install a basic workbench on my PC then use various amiga utilities to try to access my amiga HD. Problem is that i don't have anymore the amiga workbench disks ... i just searched and found one disk for workbench 1.3.2
It's anyway strange, I wouldnt like to do that way. I spent 2h searhcing for a windows utility which could make a total bytes by bytes clone of my amiga HD. I tested almost 10 software, no one does it ! More than 3/4 of them only list drives or partitions recognized by windows, one list me the quantum but do not propose me to save the disk, and last one make the operation, but told me the disk is empty, so the backup/clone file it created was empty ...
Don't know what else to do now, nothing seems to work.
To sum up how i see to solve the problem :
- Do "what i don't know" to make my partitions see by UAE and problem should be solved
- Use ADFOpus (http://adfopus.sourceforge.net/) which could maybe save me. but it's based on the adflib and it's "not" working with the last version i can download here (http://lclevy.club.fr/adflib/adflib.html), at least for me.
- Make a complete clone of my amiga HD in a file on my PC and open it with UAE, hoping that then the application will see the partitions
If you all abandon to help on this case, i would understand
Cheers
Alex
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well ... im totally disgusted ...
i boot on my amiga with the HD and used an old version of hd toolbox
I had a scsi HD with squirrel defined, but not connected (since a while). But the HD quantum wasnt defined, so, I clic on add new HD, he read the HD infos, then, I had the option to save them to the disk. I tought this was maybe what was missing for UAE to read the HD, so i clicked on the button, then, reboot of my amiga and ... not a dos disk ....
if someone got a floppy disk image bootable on an amiga1200 that i could create with my pc (dunno how my pc could write a 880ko amiga format disk but maybe you know ?) i would be ...no pleased but saved. I have all my writings on my amiga, i made backup but my last ones are still on the HD
Didnt thought it could have been such a pain to make UAE working ...
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From your last two posts I'd rather think it's a mater of stupid-user-sitting-behind-the-keyboard than UAE being too complicated. (Don't be angry, it's meant as a joke).
However, somehow the partition table on your Quantum got damaged, making the partitions invisible by both WinUAE and the real Amiga. Then with HDToolbox you gave it the final shot by overwriting the remaining rest of the partition table.
Tools like RDB-Salv or RDBRecov will allow you to recover the partitions. Unfortunately there is no way to create an Amiga floppy disk without being able to boot the Amiga be cause the PC cannot write Amiga disks.
If you have a Kickstart file for WinUAE I could create a bootable ADF with the needed tools on it, so you can recover the data with WinUAE.
Bye,
Thomas
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well, euh, yep
a little notice anyway : my Quantum HD was perfectly fonctionning since 8 years in my amiga, it's only on UAE it doenst work - and not anymore on the A1200 since yesterday ...
I found 5 installation disks, Amiga Workbench V3.0, Storage, Locale, Amiga Fonts and Amiga Extras, all v3.0 in fact
What do you mean about kickstart file ? the bios, rom ? if yes, i downloaded the 3.0 roms, in fact, all roms
Also, i admit i never been an experimented amiga user. I became one on PC as it's my job. and moreover, it's old
So yes, if you can create me such a disk, but the best would be not to use UAE but boot on the amiga ... problem as u answered, PC cant write an amiga FDD disk, or is it possible once UAE is running or not too ?
Cheers & thanks
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You not read your personal mail?
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It's anyway strange, I wouldnt like to do that way. I spent 2h searhcing for a windows utility which could make a total bytes by bytes clone of my amiga HD. I tested almost 10 software, no one does it !
Did you try WinImage ? I know that it can at least create full disk images of Amiga formatted ZIP disks, so I imagine it should work with HDDs, too.
What do you mean about kickstart file ? the bios, rom ?
The Amiga's BIOS is called Kickstart. In fact it is not only a basic I/O subsystem but rather a big part of the operating system. So BIOS is not at all the correct word for it.
Bye,
Thomas
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Thanks for all of your answers
Problem now is that im having 2 problems, and one is off-topic to the original post.
I need to repair my HD and I can only do it on my A1200. My internal floppy FD0: is dead and FD1: is ok. I played during +/-2h to install some of the WB in ram disk, and tried to run crossdos. but i had problem once mounting PC1:, could not find mountinglist. I even succeed to install DOpus 4.2 and run it, but there im stuck. im ready to create a bootable disk with crossdos in startup-sequence and scripted mounting of PC1:, allowing me then to insert a 720ko PC disk with a HD salvage utility, but, can someone here list me the step to create this boot disk, the files I need to copy on it to have enough WB commands + crossdos + ability to mount PC1: device, and the write downe a startup-sequence i would write then ?
About my initial problem, so, as you said all, "it should work", i'll so forget to read my amiga HD on my PC. I'll try on another one, maybe a third one. but first, I need to retried my original HD and partitions ... if it's still possible
sorry for these longs posts (im feelink kinda noobish but sorry, havent really ever touched the OS, only a bit, and a long time ago)
Cheers
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You don't need to install anything. Workbench can as well be run from Floppy disk.
You say you have all five Workbench disks, but the Install disk with HDToolbox is missing.
So you should download these files:
http://www.aminet.net/search.php?query=hdinst.lha
http://www.aminet.net/search.php?query=RDBrecov.lha
http://www.aminet.net/search.php?query=lha.run
- Enable the write protection on all your original disks.
- Boot from the Workbench disk.
- Insert the Storage disk, open Storage, open DosDrivers and doubleclick PC1. (If there is no PC1 in Storage/DosDrivers, click PC0 once and choose "copy" from the menu. Click "copy of PC1" once and choose "Rename" from the menu. Rename it to PC1. Click PC1 once and choose "Information" from the menu. If there is a tooltype reading UNIT=0, change it to UNIT=1. If there is no unit tooltype, add one reading UNIT=1. If there are brackets around the tooltype, remove them.)
- You are asked to insert the Workbench disk. Do so.
- Now insert an empty floppy disk. An icon PC1:???? should appear.
- Click the icon once and choose "Format Disk" from the menu.
- You are asked to insert the Workbench disk again. Do it.
- A window appears letting you to choose some options. Insert the empty disk again.
- Click on Format. Confirm that you want to format the disk and wait until it is finished.
- Now carry the empty disk to your PC and copy the downloaded archives to it.
- You need hdinst.lha, rdbrecov.lha and lha.run.
- While the PC is copying, go back to the Amiga and insert the Workbench disk.
- Select "Execute command" from the menu and enter "newshell" into the command line.
- Enter the following commands into the DOS window:
copy c:copy ram:
copy sys:system/format ram:
cd ram:
- now fetch the disk from the PC and insert it into the Amiga's drive.
- enter
copy pc1:#? ram:
lha.run
- now get another empty floppy and insert it into the drive (you can use the PC disk if you don't have another one)
- enter
format drive df1: name empty2 noicons
- press return twice.
- enter
lha x #?.lha df1:
Now the new disk contains HDInstTools which is a freeware replacement for HDToolbox and RDBrecov which is a command line utility to search partitions on a HDD. HDToolbox has an icon and can be run from Workbench. RDBrecov has to be run from the shell window. In order to read the documentation of RDBRecov enter the following command:
sys:utilities/multiview empty2:rdbrecov.guide
Note that as long as you only edit partitions, your data is safe. Use HDInsttools to create the partitions RDBrecov has found, then reboot to see if the data is back. If not, try again. Keep away from the "DOS format" and "copy disks" buttons !!
Bye,
Thomas
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Thanks for all your help Thomas
I did all you listed, until i had HDInstTool and RDBrecov in Ram. I searched on the net to get the exact parameters of my HD, i found this :
Root Device: 800M IDE QUANTUM TRB850A
Root Size/partition table:
Disk /dev/hda: 850 MB, 850010112 bytes
32 heads, 63 sectors/track, 823 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 2016 * 512 = 1032192 bytes
First strange think was that, after read the HDrecov doc, i started HDInst, he read well the HD infos, displayed, but the 6 big buttons in the bottom are greyed ...
Other think, is that my WB apparently see 2 HD, QDH0 and QDH1, but with strange names and no default tools when clicking on it and not a dos disk also.
But ok, i started RDBrecov with the following parameters and command line :
RDBrecov scsi.device 0 s 512 c 823 cs 2016
It took almost 10 seconds to scan all, but it found nothing
So I have to abandon, and i don't have the courage to start re-installing my whole HD trying to have back more or less what I had before. I had a lot of things installed on it, i customized my WB, i had MUI etc etc ... well, im gonna maybe install one on my PC with UAE, but it make me feel strange that I won't anymre type on the keyboard of my amiga (a black CDTV keyboard connected to my A1200 in fact)
Worst of all is my personal "agenda" i wrote during 2y and some other months of my life, never saved on another support, which is lost. Yep my fault i should have backup'd it...
Game over, thanks to all for your support
Cheers
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No, please don't give up so soon !
RDBRecov is optimized for speed, not quality. As the docs say it was initially made for PFS and SFS, not FFS.
So please try again. Use these parameters:
RDBrecov scsi.device 0 s 512 c 1646 cs 1008
If it still fails, please try this:
RDBrecov scsi.device 0 s 512 c 1659168 cs 1
When it finds the first "possible FFS partiton", press Ctrl C. (Should be near cylinder 1000 or 2000, not later). Divide the "at cylinder" value by 2 and use it for CS. Then divide 1659168 by CS and use that as C.
If all fails, use these parameters:
RDBrecov scsi.device 0 s 512 c 1659168 cs 1 deepffs.
It will probably need hours to read the entire HDD, but it should find everything.
Other think, is that my WB apparently see 2 HD, QDH0 and QDH1, but with strange names and no default tools when clicking on it and not a dos disk also.
When did it see these ? Before you started any recovery action ?
Bye,
Thomas
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Doesn't Windows have a habit of nuking the first blocks of disks it doesn't recognise? I know it used to, as it's caused a lot of corrupt hard disks by overwriting its own gunk over perfectly valid but foreign partition tables.
I can't remember if it still does that, or how to get round it, but I know in the original Siamese system which shared a SCSI chain there was something you had to be careful of to stop Windows nuking your Amiga disk.
But that's all from memory. I may be mistaken.
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@spirantho: you are a little late. The HDD is already damaged.
Win95/98/ME overwrite a vew bytes in the RDB making it useless for AmigaOS. But this is easy to repair and WinUAE repairs it automatically.
WinXP and 2K are the only versions with which WinUAE can access the HDD and they don't do any harm (usually).
Bye,
Thomas
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When did it see these ? Before you started any recovery action ?
Just after HDToolBox once i started WB3.0 with disks.
Anyway, good news, here's the summary i wrote on notepad :
HD infos :
823 cylindres
2016 block par cylindre (512 byte par block)
Launched the command
RDBrecov scsi.device 0 s 512 c 1659168 cs 1
Here are the results :
Possible FFS Bootblock found at cylinder 144: DosType=444F5303 (Cylindre 1, block 144)
Possible FFS Bootblock found at cylinder 205200: DosType=444F5301 (Cylindre 101, block 1584)
Possible FFS Bootblock found at cylinder 819792: DosType=444F5301 (Cylindre 407, block 1296)
Possible FFS Bootblock found at cylinder 1229616: DosType=444F5301 (Cylindre 609, block 1872)
Possible FFS Bootblock found at cylinder 1393632: DosType=444F5301 (Cylindre 691, block 576)
Checking FFS partitions
FFS Bootblock found at cylinder 144: Size = 205056 cyls Dostype=444f5305 / Name="TITI"
FFS Bootblock found at cylinder 205200: Size = 614592 cyls Dostype=444f5301 / Name="TOTO"
FFS Bootblock found at cylinder 819792: Size = 409824 cyls Dostype=444f5301 / Name="DATAS"
FFS Bootblock found at cylinder 1229616: Size = 164016 cyls Dostype=444f5301 / Name="TEMP"
==> note: must read block instead of cylinder, and the size given by rdbrecov is not correct, also, last partition name is JEUX
Calculations :
--Partition 1--
block 144 = 1st cylinder
As 2nd partition starts on cylinder 101, it makes 101-1 : SIZE = 100 cylinders / 100*2016= 201600 blocks // 201600/2 = 100.800 ko
FFS Bootblock is on Cylinder 1 - Block 144
--Partition 2--
block 205200 = 205200/2016 = 101 cylinder
As 3nd partition starts on cylinder 406, it makes 406-101 : SIZE = 305 cylinders / 305*2016= 614880 blocks // 614880/2 = 307.440 ko
FFS Bootblock is on Cylinder 101 - Block 1584 (205200 MOD 2016)
--Partition 3--
block 819792 = 819792/2016 = 406 cylinder
As 4th partition starts on cylinder 609, it makes 609-406 : SIZE = 203 cylinders / 203*2016= 409248 blocks // 409248/2 = 204.624 ko
FFS Bootblock is on Cylinder 609 - Block 1296 (819792 MOD 2016)
--Partition 4--
block 1229616 = 1229616/2016 = 609 cylinder
As 5th partition starts on cylinder 691, it makes 691-609 : SIZE = 82 cylinders / 82*2016 = 165312 blocks // 165312/2= 82.656 ko
FFS Bootblock is on Cylinder 609 - Block 1872 (1229616 MOD 2016)
--Partition 5--
block 1393632 = 1393632/2016 = 691 cylinder
As HD makes 823 cylinders, it makes 823-691 ((((( + 1 ))))) : SIZE = 133 cylinders / 133*2016= 268128 blocks // 268128/2= 134.064 ko
FFS Bootblock is on Cylinder 691 - Block 576 ( 1393632 MOD 2016)
Checks:
Cylinders: 100+305+203+82+133 = 823 cylinders (823*2016*512 = 849.494.016 bytes)
Size: 100800+307440+206624+82656+134064 = 831584 ko = 851.542.016 bytes (850.010.112 bytes !?)
So correct me if my calculations are ok or not ?
Now, after this, i launched HDInstTool but it gives mi this warning : Piktogramm nicht gefunden, die Einstellungen können nicht geladen werden
The 6 buttons below are grayed. Only if i double click on the HD it warns me he gonna all format so I click "Nein"
Hum ... is there a way to recover the partitions ?
Thanks indeed !
Alex
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This would be normal as your use start up file is prob invalid with UAE, especially if you have Cybergraphics or you use special 040 library ot if you had 060, The best way would be to hold right and left mouse button down while booting and select boot without startup sequence and say ok to all exeptions you should bet to the grey screen and type loadwb. You should eventualy get to Workbench.
Of course this is if I remember correctly.
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==> note: must read block instead of cylinder, and the size given by rdbrecov is not correct,
The entire output is correct. You told it that one cylinder is one block, so it gives you cylinder numbers which equal block numbers
also, last partition name is JEUX
There is a root block with the name "TEMP" in it. If there is another one with "Jeux" in it, you probably have to run RDBRecov again with more specific parameters. However you should look after that later.
So correct me if my calculations are ok or not ?
Well, your interpretation of the values is all wrong, so I didn't check the calculations which are probably correct but useless.
FFS Bootblock found at cylinder 144: Size = 205056 cyls Dostype=444f5305 / Name="TITI"
FFS Bootblock found at cylinder 205200: Size = 614592 cyls Dostype=444f5301 / Name="TOTO"
FFS Bootblock found at cylinder 819792: Size = 409824 cyls Dostype=444f5301 / Name="DATAS"
FFS Bootblock found at cylinder 1229616: Size = 164016 cyls Dostype=444f5301 / Name="TEMP"
Well, you didn't read my post very well, otherwise you wouldn't have let it get this far. I told you to interrupt it after the first possible bootblock.
Nevertheless, the data tells us all we have to know.
As the first partition always starts at cylinder 2, we now know that the partitioning program you used to partition the drive for the first time thought that one cylinder has 72 blocks. This is the value we have to calculate with.
If I divide all values by 72 we get this output:
FFS Bootblock found at cylinder 2: Size = 2848 cyls Dostype=444f5305 / Name="TITI"
FFS Bootblock found at cylinder 2850: Size = 8536 cyls Dostype=444f5301 / Name="TOTO"
FFS Bootblock found at cylinder 11386: Size = 5692 cyls Dostype=444f5301 / Name="DATAS"
FFS Bootblock found at cylinder 17078: Size = 2278 cyls Dostype=444f5301 / Name="TEMP"
Now, after this, i launched HDInstTool but it gives mi this warning : Piktogramm nicht gefunden, die Einstellungen können nicht geladen werden
If you followed my instructions to unpack the hdinst archive, go to the desktop, open the empty2 disk, open the HDInstTools drawer and double click the HDInsTtools program icon. It should start without any warning. Then choose your preferred language from the menu (default obviously is german) and make sure the automatic mode is disabled.
Now click on "Setup Drive". Enter Cylinders = 23044, Heads = 1 and Blocks Per Track = 72. Click on Use.
Now for each partition (except TEMP) click on Add Partition and then on Edit Partition. "Start Cyl" should match the "found at cylinder" value, then enter the size next to "Cylinders".
For the last partition you should try to use the entire remaining space. This is probably what you did before, too (when you replaced TEMP by Jeux).
You might want to change the file system so that the Dos Type matches that listed by RDBRecov.
Now click on Use until you are back in the main menu and click on Save Changes To Drive. You are asked if you want to reboot, click on yes.
Now all data on all partitions (perhaps except Jeux) should magically be back.
Bye,
Thomas
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Well,
I just performed all, also a rescan of rdbreco with 72 for cs parameter and 23044 for cylinders.
The only difference is that i unpacked hdinsttolls in ram drive and ran it from there. I had problem to format a disk, all had badblocks and no way to cancel the format (non stop retry/cancel requester), so after 3 tentatives & restart of the amiga and all the loads/copy/etc i decided to do it from ram. I tried from the dos 720ko disk but it asked to swap disk drive with workbench non stop too, i did it almost 20x and the progression bar of hdinst. was still at 1/4
Well, there's anyway a problem
In HDInstTool i go in Setup drive, and give 23044 to cylinders, 72 to blocks per track, 1 head and 512 blocksize, didnt touch other settings and clicked USE
Now in Partition Drive section, on the Overview (the bar which show you the % of partioned parts of the HD, the numbers are left 0 (zeros) but right it's 5122. And I think 5122 was the previous one. In this configuration, I try a partiton of one cylinder (in the Edit partition window) and it gave 162kBytes as size, so this mean 1 cylinder = 322 blocks.
I thought i would first need to write new setup of the disk (the change of cylinders & blocks per track), so i clicked on save changes to the drive, the program warned me that this need reboot. So i rebooted. (note that I havent added yet ANY partition or whatever)
Restart all until I come back to HDInstTools, click on setup drive to see if the parameters are well 23044 cylinders and 72 blocs per track, answer is Yes.
So i click on "Partiton Drive" and ... no luck, still displaying 0 to 5122
So, when i want to add my first partition, if I well put 2848 cylinders, start cyl at 2, then DH0 is making 461Mo, half of the HD... not good
As i rebooted using reset, i made a last test by switching off the amiga (and HD) and on. But this didnt change anything, still giving from 0 to 5122
Last notice, I didnt touch the "File System" section of HDInst, but for test i tried to see, I added one filesystem to see the one available on my WB disk and i dont have the FFS, what I have is the following :
aux-handler
CrossDOSFileSystem
port-handler
queue-handler
But maybe we dont care at this point about filesystem ? btw, i didnt save any more changes during these "tests"
So, what's wrong with this HD, or with HDInstTools ?
do i need to say thanks one more time ? ;-)
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Yes, you are right. It seems like HDInstTools is not able to do this kind of editing. Must be a bug.
So we have to use HDToolbox. IIRC you said you have HDToolbox on one of your HDD partitions.
So run RDBRecov again with
rdbrecov cs 72 c 23044 s 512 ml ram:ml
Then enter
mount rdbr0: from ram:ml
to mount your TITI partition (use RDBR1 for TOTO, RDBR2 for DATA and so on).
The icon of the mounted partition should appear on the desktop. Open it, run HDToolbox and do all the partitioning in HDToolbox.
I added one filesystem to see the one available on my WB disk and i dont have the FFS,
Seems like FFS is only on the Install disk. But the same version also is in the Kickstart ROM, so you don't need to worry about not having any file system on the HDD.
Bye,
Thomas
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Well, yep, i acceeded well my partitions, at least the 4th first ones
I just had to edit the mountlist (ml file) and remove the lines "SectorsPerBlock"
But ... yep there's a but ... hdtoolbox seem also a bit bugged
In HDToolbox i have the definitions of my drive (2 drives in fact i had a scsi in the past). For the Quantum, i rewrite all the parameters, and it's now that's it's strange :
Cylinders: 23044
Heads: 1
BpTrack: 72
BpCylinder:512
First strange think is "Block per Cylinder", i assume they mean the blocksize !?
Anyway, i enter these values in order, and i read the summary of the Size which indicates 829548k (810 Meg)
I click on ok, do you want to overwrite it, yep, click on Continue. i come back in the select a drive window i click on ok and here's what he tells me :
Warning! The drive type you selected has 11798528 blocks, while the drive itself has only 1660176 blocks. Are you SURE you want to continue?
In the doubt i click cancel (i tested to click on continue once and he gives another warning). So i click cancel, i click "Edit Old" to re-edit the parameters of the HD and what do i see !? the size has changed to 1704704k, 1664Meg !? And the datas i entered before (the cylinders, heads, BpTrack and BpCylinder) are still the right ones i entered !? Even stranger, i just clic in cylinders but change no value, i push TAB (the focus goes in the Heads box, i still do not change anything, i push again TAB so the focus goes in the Blocks per Track box and at this moment, the size went from the 1704704k to 829548k !? One more TAB to go in Block per Cylinder, still the same, and one more TAB to go in "Park Head..." (which is at 23044 btw) and the zize comes back to 1704704k ....
Is also my HDToolbox bugged !?
I even have disksalv (v2) and it ran well, i even scanned my DH0 and no errors on it, but it doesnt propose me to write the settings to the HD
At least, i also found ExpertPrep from the old GVP; but it did not grand enough options to set all i want, no way to change the numbers of cylinder or the blocksize
Anyway, I saved the mountlist directly on my WB disk ...
And a GREAT THANKS because i can already find back my files ... ouf ...
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First strange think is "Block per Cylinder", i assume they mean the blocksize !?
If they write blocks per cylinder they mean blocks per cylinder. Why do you always believe the software is wrong ? Is this what Windows does to people ?
If you change a value in one of the text input fields you have to press enter or tab to make the changes active.
Blocks per cylinder is calculated as blocks per track * heads. So you should use 72 as blocks per cylinder.
FYI: heads is the same as tracks per cylinder. So blocks per cylinder = blocks per track * tracks per cylinder.
Also if it tells you that the actual number of blocks on the drive is 1660176, then the real number of cylinders is 23058 (= 1660176 / 72).
These are the values to use:
heads = 1
blocks per track = 72
blocks per cylinder = 72
number of cylinders = 23,058
total number of blocks = 1,660,176
bytes per block = 512
capacity of the drive = 850,010,112 bytes (810.63 MB)
You might also try to rerun RDBRecov with the new cylinders value. Perhaps it finds the JEUX partition now. (I am quite sure it does.)
In HDToolbox i have the definitions of my drive
Well, I usually doubt what I saved earlier. I prefer to always use "define new". Newer versions of HDToolbox don't have this feature any more, they always read the actual geometry from the HDD.
BTW, what happens if you click on "read configuration" ? Which values does it use then ?
Bye,
Thomas
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Voilà !
It worked, it's ok i have all and it's running like before
BTW, what happens if you click on "read configuration" ? Which values does it use then ?
In HDToolBox when I use the Read Configuration i obtain the following :
Cylinders: 1647
Heads : 16
BperTrack: 63
Block per Cylinder: 1008
If they write blocks per cylinder they mean blocks per cylinder. Why do you always believe the software is wrong ? Is this what Windows does to people ?
Im well placed about softwares, i should normally be a developper, but not anymore (please dont blame havent touched development since 13y) - and as the first hdtoolbox you made me download was bugged as you said, im just doubtfull.
Im not used with HD, partioning and filesystems, i recognize it, but i like to learn about things and ask people who know about
At this point, I have to thank you greatly. I thought my HD was totally lost
Im wondering if i'll try to put it on my PC. I haven't tried again to plug it and try to make UAE run it.
I'll maybe post another thread for this, or maybe there's a simple answer ?
Well, thanks a lot
BTW, a little question : is there any future plans for a possibility to see back a new amiga ? a new OS ?
My opinion would be to choose a standard harware, like a console game, and stick on it with minor changes. but is there still any company behind ? I doubt, after 10y it's over, no ?
Cheers, and, again, thanks Thomas !
Alex
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Im wondering if i'll try to put it on my PC. I haven't tried again to plug it and try to make UAE run it.
I'll maybe post another thread for this, or maybe there's a simple answer ?
Well, you should make a backup of the RDB or at least write down the output of RDBRecov, so you can easier recover your partitions again. Last time your PC destroyed your partition table. You should also check your PC for viruses or other software which might write to a "empty" HDD. Usually a PC with WinXP or 2000 does not write to an Amiga HDD without a reason.
BTW, a little question : is there any future plans for a possibility to see back a new amiga ? a new OS ?
My opinion would be to choose a standard harware, like a console game, and stick on it with minor changes. but is there still any company behind ? I doubt, after 10y it's over, no ?
What should I say ? You must be blind if you didn't see the news about the AmigaOne and AmigaOS 4.0.
http://www.amiga.com/amigaos/
http://www.intuitionbase.com/
http://www.amigaworld.net/
Perhaps you even overlooked AmigaOS 3.5 and 3.9 ?
http://os.amigaworld.de/index.php?lang=en
Bye,
Thomas
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No no im not blink
It's just that i followed amiga news during 3 to 4 years, gradually loosing interest.
The WB 4.0, if i well remember, was alreday talked about in 1995, or 96, so after 10 years & a busy life, I didnt care anymore about. And now in 2005 it should at least arrive.
I searched a little bit right now. So if I well read, 2 main standard hardware components will be a PPC cpu and ati GFX card. And it's a specific motherboard apparently. I thought, before reading news about, that I could have ran it on my standard PC harware (here i have AMD cpu and nvidia type gfx card)
btw, about the HD, it's not my pc who "killed" him, it's when using hdtoolbox, after having clicked on "read drive parameters" then click on save ... I figured out that reading the drive parameters = read the current used drive parameters, not the, apparently, defaults ones as it was the case
I have saved anyway some amiga url and I'll check around regularly. but if I need to buy a new machine to make run OS 4.0, it's a bit too much. My first opinion here is that i well want to buy the OS and test/use it, but new hardware ... dunno
Cheers