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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: Maria on August 24, 2005, 10:37:42 PM
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Searched for this on this site but could not find it.
http://powerup.morphos-team.net/
I hope i'm posting this in the rigt forum.
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Maria wrote:
Searched for this on this site but could not find it.
http://powerup.morphos-team.net/
I hope i'm posting this in the rigt forum.
Welcome from the dark side Maria. :-)
This is indeed excellent news for PowerUP board owners.
The first readily available Amiga compatible OS that actually runs on their hardware.
NOTE TO ELBOX
Please release MorphOS drivers for the FastATA and the Mediator.
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mdma wrote:
NOTE TO ELBOX
Please release MorphOS drivers for the FastATA and the Mediator.
I second that. Here our calls ELBOX. Make it happen.. Pleaseeeee!!!!
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I really need to download this =)
Please ELBOX, release the SharkPPC to give us Classic-user's more power for the MorphOs (I hope MorphOs will support the Shark?)
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mdma wrote:
Welcome from the dark side Maria. :-)
Thanks! :-) I'we been lurking for a couple of days if it's that what you mean by dark side...
This is indeed excellent news for PowerUP board owners.
Yes, i think it's very interesting... I downloaded the ISO and perhaps i will give it a try tomorrow, but i doubt i will install it for real (on harddrive), better stick to AOS3.9 on my A1200 so that i can use PAL applications.
(no AOS-MOS flamewar please... i just saw that this news led to flamewars and a locked edited thread on another forum)
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Why not make a Dualboot system? And you can also use both AmigaOS and MorphOS on one partition.
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DJBase wrote:
Why not make a Dualboot system? And you can also use both AmigaOS and MorphOS on one partition.
Thats above my head i'm afraid... :-( I don't even know how that works on Classic Amigas - because there is no Grub or Lilo likeish boot software i assume? Or is it controlled by holding diffrent mousebutton/keyboard combinations at boot?
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MOST interesting!!! I throw my voice in with the others begging for Mediator support. Once that's in, I'll have this puppy up and running in no time :)
J-Golden
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Xcellent news!!! Can't wait to test it on my A1200! :-)
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lillPiP wrote:
I really need to download this =)
Please ELBOX, release the SharkPPC to give us Classic-user's more power for the MorphOs (I hope MorphOs will support the Shark?)
Mediator support is even more crucial, please please Elbox, hurry up with support for MorphOS now! ;-)
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@Maria
You can always choose boot partition from early startup menu or use boot menu programs from Aminet.
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You might have beter luck with Elbox if you ask them not to support it! :lol:
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Support for some zorro cards may be nice too:
Picasso4, CV64 and CV3D are enough fast I think
Prometheus support may be nice too
I have a mediator4000Di and it would be great that Elbox supported it...
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Nice move indeed!
This will be my first OS PPC native on Amiga, afterall.
I thought that it could have been "another one" but . . . pity.
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That's great news! Too bad there are no purchasable PPC accellerators left in the world.
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Dr_Righteous wrote:
That's great news! Too bad there are no purchasable PPC accellerators left in the world.
I'll sell you mine for £300
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> Too bad there are no purchasable PPC accellerators left in the world.
Same for Grex PCI bridges which seem to be a requirement. I've got my CSPPC in my A3000d which will become towerized if I ever have time to finish it, and I also have an A4000T to choose from. All I can find are A1200 Grexes anywhere on web stores, if they even have those in stock. I was given a hint to look up ggsdata for A4000 model Grex, but all I see there is A1200 version.
Oh well, I'll just have to continue my Morph-less existence. Not a big deal, but I was curious to see it...
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@billt:
Try this (http://www.ggsdata.se/Datorer/amiga-expansion.php) page and search for "Grex".
/Patrik
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Proof positive that no one actually bothers to read the news. :)
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Ah, thanks. I hadn't found it on the first pages of the menu button sections, and hadn't noticed the categories off that first page of each. Still took me a few minutes to find the english version of your link.
Still looks like I can't use it anyway, the description only says A4000d, which I don't have. Any chance this thing could work in an A3000d or Quikpak A4000T? Item description doesn't mention that.
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If one of you tries this and has the ability to make a video please do so.. but dont make it blurry or half arsed if you know what I mean. Also some boot up times, performance stats etc... MOS absoloutely rocks on a Pegasos..so I'd love to read about someone running it on a PPC classic.
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look forward to seeing how it works for you maria lets us know what you think. To my knowledg you can still use pal resoultions with morphos someone correct me if im worng.
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billt wrote:
Ah, thanks. I hadn't found it on the first pages of the menu button sections, and hadn't noticed the categories off that first page of each. Still took me a few minutes to find the english version of your link.
Still looks like I can't use it anyway, the description only says A4000d, which I don't have. Any chance this thing could work in an A3000d or Quikpak A4000T? Item description doesn't mention that.
Nope, isn't gonna work. The 4000D is only suitable for the 4000 Desktop, there has never been (to my knowledge) a 3000 version. There was a 4000T version but I believe to have read somewhere that only 12 of these were ever made. If you want a GRex you will need a 1200 or 4000D....
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Dr_Righteous wrote:
That's great news! Too bad there are no purchasable PPC accellerators left in the world.
Then you must be looking the wrong places. Some often pops up on Amibench, others on AmigaWorld, and plenty more on ebay. At least I know they are there, because I have advertised some myself :-)
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Hi,
so who try ?
who succeed ? which configuration ? Reset parameter ?
who failled ? which configuration ? Reset parameter ?
:-o
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Dr_Righteous wrote:
That's great news! Too bad there are no purchasable PPC accellerators left in the world.
There's one here: http://cgi.ebay.com/CyberStorm-PPC-604e-233MHz-060-50MHz_W0QQitemZ5233140016QQcategoryZ8142QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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installed on a bootable partition (CDH0:), set the:
set bootdevice "bootdevice=CDH0:"
tryed the resetlevel 1 or 7 but i'm still at this error:
"startup Failed returncode 10"
erm . . suggestions? :-)
Config: CSPPC-CVPPC
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Did you set the protection of all files to RWED?
Sometimes after copying the files from CD onto HD the files have only the R flag set.
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yes they are already RWED
ah . . MapRom disabled as well.
no idea
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Framiga wrote:
installed on a bootable partition (CDH0:), set the:
set bootdevice "bootdevice=CDH0:"
tryed the resetlevel 1 or 7 but i'm still at this error:
"startup Failed returncode 10"
erm . . suggestions? :-)
Config: CSPPC-CVPPC
Same thing happened to me. You need to put copies of your 680x0-libraries (68040.library 68060.library and so on) in CDH0:libs
Use resetlevel 5
Works great for me :) now, if I just just get some sound from my DelfinaPlus.... and perhaps some interesting software running, like a TCP/IP stack...
-Paul
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Thanks PaSha :-)
Up and running now :-)
My first impression? i have to tweek with the settings . . . slow for now.
EDIT. weird . . . if you open the System Monitor utility once, the system become much faster :-?
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Wayne wrote:
Proof positive that no one actually bothers to read the news. :)
Er, last time I looked the story had 600 reads!
If that's nobody then the Amiga is back in the big time!!!
:lol:
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by ajlwalker on 2005/8/25 16:50:40 Quote: Wayne wrote: Proof positive that no one actually bothers to read the news. :) Er, last time I looked the story had 600 reads! If that's nobody then the Amiga is back in the big time!!!
I think his point was : It is posted as News. Why are people posting in a forum topic instead of posting comments to the news article?
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Argo wrote:
by ajlwalker on 2005/8/25 16:50:40 Quote: Wayne wrote: Proof positive that no one actually bothers to read the news. :) Er, last time I looked the story had 600 reads! If that's nobody then the Amiga is back in the big time!!!
I think his point was : It is posted as News. Why are people posting in a forum topic instead of posting comments to the news article?
Because you can't click "reply" in a news item. :lol:
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Because you can't click "reply" in a news item.
No, but you can reply to a comment.
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mdma wrote:
I'll sell you mine for £300
Woah, I had no idea anyone would be willing to give theirs up! If I had £300 (or rather $542) I'd do it in a heartbeat! Of course the other half of my statement, being NEW ones as well, still holds true.
So I too say "HEY ELBOX! NO MORE EXCUSES! RELEASE THE SHARK!"
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My first impression? i have to tweek with the settings . . . slow for now.
Yes. In my case, it feels slower that AmigaOS 3.x, which is very strange because MOS ic PPC native... Any ideas why?
It could be that i'm using a 68k file system, or maybe not. I will try SFS_MOS later. Atm, i am a bit disappointed.
weird . . . if you open the System Monitor utility once, the system become much faster
VERY weird, indeed! Sometimes i have to start the system monitor to get a desent speed, sometimes i don't.
I think that you must report this to the MOS developing team.
Btw, i've never manage to make MOS 0.4 to work, so i want to ask you how fast V0.4 is, compared to this one?
PS: Another very annoying thing is that internet access is extremely slow for me (using miami). The downloading speed is not even half of the speed when i'm using AOS. It's practicaly unusable for dial-up connections... :(
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Yes. In my case, it feels slower that AmigaOS 3.x, which is very strange because MOS ic PPC native... Any ideas why?
MorphOS relies heavily on features of advanced chipsets, it would also be unbereably slow because of heavy alpha (that's already a problem on BVision).
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Has anyone installed a tcp stack to register it? How much does it cost? how does it work? u get a serial number or something similar? :-?
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@DJBase
I see. :(
About the ambient desktop: Maybe it's too early for me to speak, since i'm testing it for 2 days only. Ambient looks like a wonderful eye candy but it doesn't appear to be a very functional enviroment. Even the standard Workbench 3.9 is far better as functionality is concerned. I mean, just compare the menus of these 2 enviroments to get an idea of what i'm talking.
Who cares if workbench is uglier. Personally i dislike eye candies.
I hope AOS4 will be faster and better.
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@keropi
just registered :-)
its free and they will send out a personalezed key.
and within an hour os less.
Next step. . . SFS native, YAM MOS native and so.
Just a question . . . i've used MiamiDX and its OK (slow but ok)
I would like to use GenesisRA . . . is this possible?
It doesn't works with ClassAct (needs resource.library ver1)
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GenesisRA is not possible, cause it uses ReAction classes, but you can download Genesis MUI version from Aminet and use it (I just copied the keyfile from OS3.9)
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Is GenesisRA shipped with AmigaOS 3.9? If it is then resource.library probably is on your AmigaOS partition too?
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@AmigaMance
You can use Workbench 68k in MorphOS too but I dont remember if old tricks work anylonger.
In theory if you disable ExtModules (fakerom, icon and wb libs), enable kickstart and use 68k LoadWB command you get original Workbench. Maybe :-)
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Just a question . . . i've used MiamiDX and its OK (slow but ok)
Just remember that Miami runs in 68k emulation and that depends on how fast your PPC is. There are huge difference between 603/160 and 604/233.
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I hope AOS4 will be faster and better.
I would be suprised if its no faster because the WB is basicly the same as from 3.9 and dont have all that eyecandy things like in Ambient. But you can try Scalos or Magellan as replacment on MorphOS. Maybe its better than.
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I've tried it on my old A1200 PowerUp&Bvision and no luck ....
My roms version is 3.0, and:
If I do a plain boot (no kickrom updates), I just get a black screen.
If I let the ROM being updated (booting AmigaOS3.9), I get
a "invalid number" message, startup failed return code 10.
Any suggestions?
Thanks.
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@ViD
Always use unpatched kickstart and if you are using Kickstart image make sure it is version 40.68 on A1200.
But black screen probably means BVision driver didnt start. Try using debugramdump (CD0:Boot directory) after failed MorphOS boot. Maybe it reveals something interesting.
Also see another thread (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=17460).
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Just remember that Miami runs in 68k emulation and that depends on how fast your PPC is. There are huge difference between 603/160 and 604/233.
I understand what you say, but i don't think that this can explain the slow-down of the serial port i/o under MOS. Perhaps it does, i don't know.
The fact is that the speed of the downloading gets halved with miami running under MOS. I experience a similar effect under AOS 3.9, when i try to play a movie with a WarpOS player while i download a file. If i try do the same with a 68k player, the downloading speed doesn't get affected much.
Hmm.. i see a pattern here: Is it possible that the PowerPC CPU mess up the serial port transfers? Could this kind of problems be solved with the addition of a fast, buffered serial port like silver-surfer?
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The fact is that the speed of the downloading gets halved with miami running under MOS.
The fact is that you are using 68k serial.device :-) It seems PPC native serial.device is missing from PowerUp cd. Try with this (http://www.lehtoranta.net/serial-pup.lha) (ripped off from PowerUp 0.4 archive).
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I have already tried this device. The MOS version of 8n1.device, too. They both make miami to idle forever at the message "connecting ppp level LCP please wait".
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Ah, that is bad. Then there is not much to do I'm afraid. 68k serial is slow because JIT doesnt work in interrupts and interpretetive emulation on PowerUp cant beat real 68k.
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@AmigaMance
i have me too a very long delay with
"connecting ppp level LCP please wait"
even 30 secs to 1 minute.
and i don't use the serial port. (MiamiDX-MNI driver-pppoe and XSurf2)
So my suggestion is . . . wait a little bit :-)
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-ViD- wrote:
I've tried it on my old A1200 PowerUp&Bvision and no luck ....
My roms version is 3.0, and:
If I do a plain boot (no kickrom updates), I just get a black screen.
If I let the ROM being updated (booting AmigaOS3.9), I get
a "invalid number" message, startup failed return code 10.
Any suggestions?
Thanks.
'startup failed return code 10' is most likely due to missing 68040.library/68060.library in (MOS):libs (libs/ on the partition you've installed MOS to).
Anyways, if not, the cause of the 'return code 10' ("Represents an error. In scripts a return code of 10 will abort the script, unless a higher limit has been set with the FAILAT command." Quote from the AmigaDOS user's guide from C=, page 4-3) can be figured out if you run 'startup' again from the CLI you get stuck in after the 'return code 10'. This is how I discovered that the 68040/68060 libs should be in MOS:libs
-Paul
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I don't get things like this, why should elbox support Morphos?
the morphos developers have everything they need to make
drivers and other supporting of the mediator...
Frank Mariak was one of the first people on this planet to
get a full mediator developer machine, developer docs etc.
to make drivers for mediator (so he/they should have had no trouble
whatsoever to support the mediator in morphos, if they state otherwise
they are totally wrong).
and considering that OS4 apparently doesn't have any trouble
supporting the mediator on classic amigas... the only conclusion
one can make is... the OS4 developers are better coders.
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@Framiga
Hi. No, that didn't solve the problem. I've tried with genesis MUI, too. I just can't connect using the MOS version of serial.device... :(
And since i CAN connect using the 68k serial.device or the build-in device of miami (with an unacceptable speed, of course), i'm forced to say that there must be a bug in the serial.device of MorphOS.
Is there another MOS native device that i could try?
Am i the only one having this particular problem?
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Are you been able to start Genesis MUI?
Can you tell me how? wich version?
I would like to use Genesis insyead of MiamiDX but i'm not able to see
it even start :-(
I've downloaded gendemo from Aminet with its GenesisMUI, copied the
classes (the ones not present in MOS) and genesis.key in SYS:Libs
(tryed both the AO3.9 one and the other) . . . nada. SnoopDos doesn't
help me, this time.
Any suggestion?
ah . . . i have a Xsurf2 with its xsurf.device . . . i've heard that
thers problems with some 68k devices . . .could be this?
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@Framiga
I'm using the same version of genesis with you and i had some problems problem at the beginning, too. I don't remember exactly how did i fix it but i surely did it by using snoopdos. Iirc, i copied the resource.library to mossys:libs/ and the term.mcc to mossys:classes/mui/ or something.
ah . . . i have a Xsurf2 with its xsurf.device . . . i've heard that
thers problems with some 68k devices . . .could be this?
I already know that there is a problem with 68k serial devices. It's because they have to be emulated and that makes them slow.
The problem is that i can not use the MOS version of serial.device. From miami or genesis.
@All classic users with a serial modem
Does anyone else in this forum have the same problem? Or even, Does anyone with a simiral setup is able to use the MOS native serial.device? It's the 3rd time that i'm asking this question. What the heck?....
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Thanks AmigaMance :-)
but i'm not able to see it working.
Snoopdos, find all the MUI classes, but it stops to a xxx.gadgets.
Nothing else . . . nothing :-(
Tryed even your suggestion
assign LIBS: "AmigaOS3.x partition":Classes ADD
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I have problem whit serial device in MOS..I test 68k and mos serial device from Mos v0.4..and dont work..only works whit build-in device but its too slow...:(please ppl make an natvi mos serial device..
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I've just got a reply from Individual Computers (very kind and helpful as usual) but they haven't never tested (nor planned) the use of xsurfadsl.device on MOS PuP (btw thanks Jens for the fast reply)
IIRC the way the xsuradsl.device works, is a bit tricky.
It is a fake serial.device with a custom way to send the ID and PWD.
Is there someone that uses an XSurf2 with Genesis and xsurfadsl.device/appp.device with an ADSL modem?
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I have finally manage to use the MOS serial.device but it's just as slow as the 68k is! :(
It appears that the problem is not the serial.device, afterall..I don't know.
If someone is interested to read more about this:
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3984&forum=42
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Thanks AmigaMance :-)
From my side, i've heard that "someone" has a patch for xsurf.device for MOS . . . otherwise, nada :-(
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@Framiga
Yeah that is true ...look this post its from Amiga Higway USB Mlist..autor is Chris Hodges
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> I can't use my XSurf2 with its xsurf.device, its PPPoE/xsurfadsl.device
> combo and GenesisMUI too :-(
There's a patch for the xsurf.device to make it work under MorphOS (many
years old by now). I guess if you ask kindly, they might give you a copy of
it.
"
Ask him abut this patch for xsurf!
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oh thanks VooDoo :-)
i'm on that ML too but . . . who are "they" :-D
EDIT- btw i've asked for help (kindly . . .ok without pray but kindly) without any answer :-(