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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: neofree on March 21, 2003, 03:48:34 PM
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Hello,
I've been using my A1200 less and less these days and keep thinking I might sell it and get a PS2 instead. I just got this A1200 for Christmas... I've found several games on the net to use with it, but I usually have to reboot to set PAL video or disable caches, which is really annoying. People praise XTreme Racing and other car games I've tried, but I've just not found any games that I'm particularly fond of yet. I get tons of hours of "Retro Gaming" out of my Commodore SX-64 all the time still, but I just havent been as impressed as I thought I would be with my Amiga. Hardware is expensive, and software just to get on the internet is crippleware.
Can anyone convince me to keep this thing, or am I gonna be better off with a PS2?
Thanks,
Neofree
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neofree
I wouldnt get a PS2 right now the graphics are fairly obselete.
I would however take a look at an XBox or a GameCube, both of wich have some incredible titles and the graphics are incredible.
Keep in mind though that the PS2 is still way ahead of the Amiga in terms of 3D gameing and such, if it's really a toss up... the question is 'wich will be more fun' ... for someone like me... the Amiga would be more fun... for someone looking for a pure game expierance the PS2 would be more fun.
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Depends on what you do, i would say for fun keep the A1200 but if your a hardcore gamer and want to play the latest games (not old ports) get a PS2 (chipped).
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I'll never get an XBox. I don't care what the specs are and what titles are for it. I just don't like supporting Microsoft.
I have a long time fondness of Nintendo and some of their classic games/series, but I've read more then once that the PS2 actually had better graphics then the GameCube. Plus the GameCube doesn't use standards like the PS2 does. (CD/DVD) And there are more PS2 games, and my wife doesnt want to get a GameCube. Basically if I get anything it's a PS2, or keep my Amiga.
I guess it wouldnt be so bad if I wasnt spending so much time just getting games to work on my A1200. The main purpose I got it is so I can play games with my son, but he's lost interest in it because I spend more time trying to make games work then actually playing them. And when they do work they're like, "All this for that". Keep in mind I've not had a deep rooted history in Amiga as many others have had, but have had Amiga's over the years. I want to find a reason to keep this, don't get me wrong, but I'm just having a hard time with it.
Neofree
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neofree
I'd get the nintendo then. If its for you and your son to have some fun with, the nintendo is the best option I think since you dont want an XBox,
the nintendo has alot of very nice titles with good quality graphics, the games are 'friendly' moderate titles.
that or get a PC and a rom emulator, then he can play all the games he wants ;P
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When you say PS2 (chipped), I know what you mean but do you recommend any particular chip? I looked at that a bit yesterday and I am wondering which is OK to use. It appears that if you use the "swap" method with the GameShark 2 or AR2 you could damage your PS2 if you're not careful. This is just not something I could do in my home. I would either need a simple bootdisk or something that is totally transparent.
Neofree
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mips_proc: I wouldnt mind the Nintendo, but my wife would. Sorry it's PS2 or keepy my Amiga.
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@neofree
My cousin has a PS2 chipped with a Matrix 2 chip and it boots everything she throws at it, took me ages to solder the bastard but well worth it.
You have to love Backups :-P
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Paul_Gadd: are those expensive?
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Nowadays somewhere around 40 quid or slightly lower or higher, costs more for wires already soldered on , if you have a local computer fair buy it from that as many shops will rip you off with premium prices.
I am recommending this chip with the understanding that your not a filthy pirate hiding behind the term "Backups" :roflmao:
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Absolutely not!
You should by a console of your choosing and just give your A1200 to me. Not forgetting P&P :-D :lol:
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M$ ordered Gateway to discontinue development of Amiga MCC game console as competition against Xbox...
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That's a weird question...
Umm... Are you looking to play games? Is there anything else you wanted to do with it? What configuration is your A1200?
As for other software, have you looked into Back 2 Roots?
http://www.back2roots.org/ ? They have a large collection of "abandomware" .
Do you have another computer? Perhaps UAE might be a better use for you... You can look into AmigaForever from cloanto. I believe they have a package where you can purchase the Legal ROMS & OS for them if you are planning on using UAE on something other then their supported platforms.
As for the PS2? I've got one, although I've been playing more with my Dreamcast and GameCube. ;) My PS2 mostly serves as a second DVD player. ;)
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@mips_proc
Why would anyone want to buy an XBOX and support the evil empire? ( oh wait.. I'm part of that evil empire aren't I? ) :-D
Surely there will be a PC *xbox emulator* sometime soon...
But on a PS2, isn't it possible to run linux, and therefore UAE (A1200 emulator) ?
Now a Gamecube is PowerPC based.. hmmm....
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PS2 has more good games. Xbox game selection sucks
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Been awhile since I looked, but I am pretty sure that PS2 has emulators for Amiga and Commodore 64. So I'd still be doing Amiga gaming.
I do use my Amiga 1200 to get on the internet sometimes, but I would call the experience overrated. I also can get on the Internet with my SX-64, and altough options are more limited, the mear fact that I'm connected at all is amazing. Now with a new operating system (Contiki) for the unexpanded Commodore 64 that gives a multitasking GUI and soon PPP support, I can just use that for my secondary internet use.
Neofree
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@sdesros
I recognize your avatar. Its from a national film board of Canada sponsored short film cartoon, right? :-D
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@DarthX:
Yup... It's from "The Big Snit". ;)
I'll need to make a cleaner version of it since I've got that one, "Getting Started" (the bored guy trying to practice piano) and "The Cat Came Back" on DVD.
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There are some great games for the amiga.
If your into strategy, settlers and dune II are real good
Racing games, then skidmarks 2
Adventure , simon the sorcerr and monkey island series
Your right however, it wouldn't be worth spending the money to update the machine, though a hard drive would be a good, cheap investment, u can then get whdload or jst to put alot of game to HDD and make them compatible with the A1200
As to the PS2, gamecube argument.
I have played both alot. The graphics on the gamecube are alot clearer and not blurred like PS2(propbably something to do with ATI doing the graphics chips in the GG)
The dvd player on a PS2 aint all its cracked up to be, some titles dont work, dont work properly etc.
U cant play videoCD on them
give ur missus a good backhander :) (only joking)
and get a gamecube, much more fun games
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wouldnt get a PS2 right now the graphics are fairly obselete.
Which has got nothing to do with playability. There are more good games on PS2 than on XBox and GC together, just because of the larger gamebase.
Plus, XB and GC ain't got no GT3 :)
and if the A1200 is "just" A1200, sell it and get that PS2. Brings a lot more joy
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Xbox is made by microsoft... so what?... Amiga.inc's partnered with microsoft... most of you dont have any qualms with supporting amiga.inc
I dont see anything wrong with Xbox
and although it has less games it has alot more bang-for-the buck ...
it's got the best audio of any console
it can play DVD's
it can play music CD's.
it's got the best graphics quality
and it can run an OS (linux)
I know that the PS2 can also play DVD's and run Linux and has many games... but it's slower... and it's games are mainly obselete graphically.
I love playing games with good graphics quality...If I where to buy one I'd buy the XBox or if I went for 'game play' I'd buy the Nintendo...
PS2 may have GTA3 but i dosent have DOA beach vollyball... and thats a big downside ;P
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It's your choice. I loved my PS2. I wanna get another one as soon as I find a better job than the one I have now. If your remember, the PS was anything short of extraoridnary when it arrived. They hammered the chips on that bastard like they did the Miggy back in the day. Sony doesn't screw around with it's chipset. The PS2 can hold it's own for a few more years, believe me.
Do whatever you need to do, to make yourself happy. I don't currently own an amiga, but that doesn't make me any less an AMIGAN. :-D
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I wouldn't buy a GameCube, stores in the UK are getting rid of them for £79 now.
X-box is just a cheap PC really, I can't help but think M$ will try their "tactics" with the gaming community and we'll soon see (too soon for the traditional gamers) X-Box 2 then X-Box 3. They may try to commit users into a fast upgrade cycle and wean them into M$ extras/services. They don't understand gamers though, they typically aren't PC sheeple, and they clearly got the Japan market wrong, a console so big it won't fit in a typical Japanese house, LOL, with crap, huge controllers.
PS2 is without doubt the market leader presently so you will not be in any shortage of games. I have seen some incredible gfx on it (later parts of Devil May Cry, FF-X etc.) Technically it is the weakest, sure, but that doesn't seem to matter in the marketplace!
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As far as the PS2/Gamecube/Xbox argument goes, here's my few cents' worth: I bought a PS2 a while back. There are boatloads of games for it, but I never found any that I liked on it, so I sold it on ebay.
I've tried the Xbox. Everybody raves about it, but the graphics and animation on my Gamecube are just as good. And though there are more games for the Xbox, there weren't any (other than Halo) that appealed to me. Pretty much any game that's worth getting is coming out for the Xbox and GC now, with the PS2 slowly being phased out.
As far as technology goes, an engineer at MicroSoft has stated that they believe that the only competition the Xbox has is the GC, as the PS2 is built on dated hardware. Sony, in fact, is planning to replace their aging technology within 2 years with a PS3. They'd be doing themselves a favor to release it sooner, though.
However, if you're looking for a DVD player, the GC won't do you any good. The PS2 isn't a great DVD player, but it is functional (unlike the Xbox, where you have to buy a separate remote control).
Just my thoughts on my experiences...
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Forgot to mention my setup so here it is:
Amiga 1200 in original case
GVP A1230-II 40mhz 030 board with 8 meg GVP RAM and External SCSI option
External SCSI cd-rom (1 or 2x)
KS3.1 with OS3.1, 3.5 and 3.9
Commodore VGA adaptor, but I dont use it because I use this for games mostly, using with 1084 monitor
That's pretty much it. I have a few original games and a Vidi 12 digitizer.
I'm still leaning towards the PS2 . . .
Neofree
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If you really don't want to keep the A1200 I'd get a PS2 with a Linux kit. That would be cool :)
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wait a bit longer the playstation 3 is getting nearer get that instead. and just keep the amiga and go to ebay and buy a large collection of amiga disks with games from ebay. :-D
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PS3 shouldnt be out until 2005 as far as I know... PS2 is still in it's prime as far as I can tell...
Neofree
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@neofree
I would either need a simple bootdisk or something that is totally transparent.
Search google for "Swap Magic" ps2 boot discs
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I'm a big console freak.
The only console I have that I dislike is the PS2.
The game selection is crappy (quantity is great, but quality is few and far between). The graphics are between good and bad (whereas Xbox and Gamecube would be "excellent") and many games have a framerate that's so low it's unbearable.
There are a few gems, such as Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance and Splashdown, but in general I'd say it sucks. And it's really really noisy too.
As a matter of fact I still prefer my Dreamcast over my PS2. By far even. The game catalogue kicks the PS2 all the way to hell and back and often the games look way nicer on the Dreamcast too.
It's kind of hard to get hold of new games for the Dreamcast now though, and that's really the only reason why I wouldn't recommend it unconditionally.
Instead I'll point towards the Xbox and the Gamecube. The Gamecube has a couple of really good first-party games and a lot of support from SEGA. Obviously it gets the classic Nintendo titles, which is always good. The Xbox is where the action is at if you want awesome graphics, brilliant games (Halo, Jet Set Radio Future, Splinter Cell, Mechassault, Amped, Oddworld, DoA 3, Morrowind, Gunvalkyrie, Rallisport Challenge and besides those (and many more) there are also the titles that are coming for all three platforms. Besides Xbox does have the ultimate ace up its sleeve: Xbox Live. The headset works so well it's unreal. Can't wait for Phantasy Star Online.
Forget who made it - it's the best contemporary console out there that you can buy today. It's all about the games.
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@neofree
Been awhile since I looked, but I am pretty sure that PS2 has emulators for Amiga and Commodore 64
There is a 64 emu but no direct port of an amiga emu for the ps2 but as someone said you could run uae using the ps2 linux kit but i doubt it will work very well, from experience, mame is crap on ps2 dog slow, snes station is fairly usable and pgen is a bit glitchy, i think an amiga emu will be too slow, get an x-box if u would like to emulate anything plus the x-box has a port of uae.
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As far as the PS2/Gamecube/Xbox argument goes, here's my few cents' worth: I bought a PS2 a while back. There are boatloads of games for it, but I never found any that I liked on it, so I sold it on ebay.
I've tried the Xbox. Everybody raves about it, but the graphics and animation on my Gamecube are just as good. And though there are more games for the Xbox, there weren't any (other than Halo) that appealed to me. Pretty much any game that's worth getting is coming out for the Xbox and GC now, with the PS2 slowly being phased out.
As far as technology goes, an engineer at MicroSoft has stated that they believe that the only competition the Xbox has is the GC, as the PS2 is built on dated hardware. Sony, in fact, is planning to replace their aging technology within 2 years with a PS3. They'd be doing themselves a favor to release it sooner, though.
However, if you're looking for a DVD player, the GC won't do you any good. The PS2 isn't a great DVD player, but it is functional (unlike the Xbox, where you have to buy a separate remote control).
Just my thoughts on my experiences...
Just my thoughts, had to reply as I have quite lot of experience with consoles.
First argument can be bypassed just by mentioning GT3, GTA3, GTA:VC, FF series, Devil May Cry 1&2, MGS2 and a lot of other games. I've got experience of <>200 PS2 games atm, and there are more good games than there is time for one person. If one is for good rpg/adventure games, sadly not all PS2 games are released outside Japan, which is a shame. But for anyone else there should be more than enough selection of games.
About Halo, after the huge hype and waiting, we got a mediocre 3d shooter which is smacked on the floor by pretty much all 3d shooters on PC today. Biggest dissappointments together with Stuntman and State Of Emergency for past years. Halo is NOT a good game.
"with the PS2 slowly being phased out." I can only answer to see and check out current market status. It's not phasing out. And when PS2 has lost its final appeal PS3 will appear (in 2005 presumedly). XBox2 will be against impossible mission once again, and my quess is that Gamecube is no more then.
For DVD-playing one can get a specific dvd-player, which are cheap as hell these days. Dvd-players are for wathing dvd's, consoles are for playing.
One who has been able to play the same games on for example XBox and PS2 can safely say there are no significant differences, not always even graphically. So the only powerpoint has to be the amount and quality of games, in which PS2 wipes floors with XBox for now. I expect things to change in late 2003- early 2004.
ps. Still, nothing beats a deathmach of Worms DC, NOTHING :-)
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GameCube is really struggling right now, and XBox has hardly any real market share (serves MS right). It really buggs me that Sony took over the industry so quickly, since I had so many reliability problems with all my Playstations.
In a war between the consoles, I agree that my Dreamcast barely edges out my PS2. In a war between an unexpanded A1200 and the PS2, I'd take the PS2. It depends what you do with it. I made lots of music and graphics with my Amiga, so for me, giving it up for a game machine is not an action of reason. ;-)
Just remember that selling your 1200 alone will about cover the PS2. Unless you rent games, getting new titles will cost you an arm and a leg. Make the trade only if you know which titles you want to buy. If you're not burning for a particular game (like I was with Sly Cooper), then wait. The price on PS2 games will probably collapse soon, anyway.
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But on a PS2, isn't it possible to run linux, and therefore UAE (A1200 emulator) ?
I don't think it's gonna be that simple - Linux can run on a PS-2, yes. UAE runs on Linux - yes.
BUT UAE also has inline assembly IIRC - so if that's that case, (and I think it is - especially with the JIT compiler) then it may not compile on the PS2 architecture, UNLESS someone has done a UAE for PS2 port (which I'm searching for right now).
I know there is a UAE for X-Box, but as the original poster doesn't want one.
Side note: I'm not up on the current sales price of a PS2.. One thing to look at is if selling the 1200 is worthwhile - will it give you enough return enough to make a difference buying whatever console is decided upon?
Cheers
Siggy.
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GT3, GTA3, GTA:VC, FF series, Devil May Cry 1&2, MGS2
GTA3 and GTA:VC are mediocre games that have a so low framerate that it makes me seasick to watch them. I personally find the FF-series to be as overrated as anything can be. The plot may be extensive, but it is also overdone. Devil May Cry is certainly good, and if you're a big stealth fan you could do worse than get MGS2, but I'm sure the Xbox version is even better.
About Halo, after the huge hype and waiting, we got a mediocre 3d shooter which is smacked on the floor by pretty much all 3d shooters on PC today. Biggest dissappointments together with Stuntman and State Of Emergency for past years. Halo is NOT a good game.
Halo is - bar none - the best FPS on the planet. It wasn't because they liked the hue of the disc that Edge elected it game of the year and gave it several other awards. It hasn't been topped yet. Heck, I don't even like FPSs all that much, but Halo had me playing it all the way through.
I must agree on the stand-alone DVD player issue though. And there are no signs of PS2 slowing down significantly. However since I nearly fall asleep when reading about upcoming games for it I'd be hard pressed to care less. Oh no, wait.. there's that Alien Breed game coming out for it right? I'll probably drag it out by then in that case. 8-)
I've got three consoles attached to my telly right now: CD32, Xbox and Dreamcast. The GameCube was out a couple of days ago when I got my Sonic Mega Collection (brilliant, just brilliant), but Xbox Live just keeps dragging me back.
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I understand the hard call - however, the 1200 is a really great machine.
Of the game consoles, the PS2 is by far the best of the bunch. The gamecube is for kids, and the Xbox is really just a pc crammed into a box.
I've had a PS2 for a while now, and the games are fantastic.
It is a call that you'll have to think about some. I can't imagine a day without my trusty 3000.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I've always been partial to Dune myself (the first one). It IS real time, just not the same kind of real time as Dune II, it doesn't look like Starcraft or C&C. I also like Lemmings, I think both of those games are on the Amiga, though I run them on DOS (old DOS games are often findable for Amiga)
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strobe:
How about Need for Speed?
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OHOH, I should throw in the little I know about consoles:
I own a Sega Genesis, Atari 2600, Gameboy, Gameboy Advanced, Super Nintendo, (used to own) Jaguar, and I own a Xbox (thats 'a' but it sounds odd, like it should be an, oh yeah exbox :D ) The Xbox does have the highest technical capabilities, but whats that matter if all the current 3 living room consoles have graphics as good as my TV. The Xbox already has M$ extras, try DVD software and Internet. Yes the DVD player needs osftware, I can't just set up my universal to use the Xbox, shame too. I like the games i have on my Xbox, Oddworld was a big reason I went with what I did (M$ payed the company a lot of money I guess since they're sticking with them for Oddworlds next 3 games) . The xbox may eventually have a version of Linux for it (as soon as a bunch of people hack some code I think). Interestingly the Gameboy Advanced has outsold anyother console (though I think its because their aren't other handhelds, Palms aren't the same market: they're more fragile, not oriented towards games alone; more expensive.) The PS2 has, of course, the library of all PS1 games, so please don't praise the PS1 then say PS2 is bad, thats silly. The gamecube sells almost entirely little kids games, with a few exceptions, like Resident Evil. If you intend on doing odd things with it, I'd say don't buy the gamecube, its the least customizable console. Oh and yeah, the xbox is a computer, I've read the specs before, it even has a seperate graphics card... its very much the kind of set up found in computers.
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nah neofree buy a PS2 and f*ck off from here. The existence of the consideration alone puts you in the trash bin.
HARDCORE ONLY!!!!! :-D :-D :-D
-Shane
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How about Need for Speed?
Interesting title that is. I have played it a lot on PS2, and then I also have it on PC. It's one of the slowest games on earth so I was forced to play it on my friends high-spec pc.
Anyway, after a few hours of playing I realised the nfs:hp2 for PC is much WORSE than the PS2 version. The controls in PC version are even more worse than on Porsche Unleashed, which I find has the most ridiculous controls ever.
Surely HP2 is a looker, in this case it doesnt matter.
And before some people tell me "you just can't drive", I have played countless hours of Gran Turismo, then I played GT2 through twice, and on GT3 I am in percentage of 97%. :-D
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@ neofree
just go for the PS2, you won't regreat it. I still have my old miggy to keep secure my personal info (no way virus get there) I just finish Kindom Hearts (excellent game) on the PS2 and there are new realeases coming.
You can upgrade later to a linux and online gaming.
PS2 has the most diverse range of games, not just doom clones :P favorite style of games among pc users, like the xbox.
The GC is going down and soon it will be out of the market.
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>unexpanded 64 that gives a multitasking GUI and soon
>PPP support
Whoa...that would be pretty crazy. Are you serious?
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I liked GTA3/VC...but if I were to buy a console right now
it would probably be the Nintendo. It's cheap...and games
like Metroid are great. It may not be the most advanced,
but it "whips" the PS2 as far as graphics and gameplay
(IMO) and the sound chip is decent.
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What are some of you people smoking?
Please, don't just make up stuff because you don't like Microsoft. The Xbox may have a couple of FPS-games more than PS2 and Gamecube, but the number is insignificant besides all the other great games that are out for it. It is a console - and a good one - in every single sense of the word.
The fact that SEGA makes lots of games for it is enough to buy one at all. Crazy Taxi 3, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Gunvalkyrie, Sega GT 2002, Jet Set Radio Future, Shenmue II, their sports-series and even more games that I can't remember right now. And that's just from Sega for crying out loud.
The people who go on about Xbox being just a PC .. you should get over the hardware and look at the games. The games are what matters. Some people who have bitched about the Xbox being nothing more than a PC shut up good when they finally had a chance to try it. And there is nothing out there that compares with Xbox Live.
I have pretty much every console from Atari 2600 to Xbox (missing a few Asian handhelds and the NES - although I do have one of those boxes with lots of NES-games in a joystick). The king of the console market right now is Xbox. I managed to get over my hatred for Microsoft in this particular case. I really just started to see it for what it was: a bloody awesome console that kicks the living daylights out of the competition.
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Re: Should I sell my A1200 and get a PS2?
No.
(snip)
Can anyone convince me to keep this thing, or am I gonna be better off with a PS2?
Thanks,
Neofree
Aoh, convince you... 1st you'll never quite get the amount of money needed 4 a PS2 out of selling your wonderful 1200...
It's not even in the same league, I mean, considering selling your dishwasher or microwave oven to get a PS2 is the same logical process ;-)
Just put the 1200 in a safe place, and start saving for the game machine of your dreams, wich BTW may well be a G3-based Miggy 8-)
I got a X-Box, partly because my daughter asked me to buy one with the finger on the trigger, and partly because I knew I could run Linux on it.
OK, some games are great. Playing halo, the all-killer FPS with a joypad, mind you, is very difficult, I really prefer KB+mouse 4 it.
I saw XBox live at a friend's... It's really impressive, the way you talk to ppl while riding MotoGP, but I don't want microsoft entering my house like that.
Oh, and a last thing : Did you saw the PRICES of console games ???
I mean, in France, an XBox game costs 50$, OK ?
That's MAD, I prefer 2 wait until those machines are obsolete (easy, not long ;) and then buy those at the flee market 4 a fraction of the price !
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Oh, and a last thing : Did you saw the PRICES of console games ???
Yes, 0.80€ for CD, and 3€ for DVD.
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-D-: No joke, plus it's not the only one. Check out these links:
http://www.dunkels.com/adam/contiki/ports/c64.html
http://lng.sourceforge.net/
http://www.ros.com.au/~errol/nt10.html
Everyone Else:
Never had any question which console if I got one, PS2 for sure. I'm still thinking of getting a PS2 now because I think my expanded A1200 is worth enough for a PS2 now. Later I'll either get a better A1200 when they're cheaper, or get an A1 with OS4 if it ever exists.
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You are fed up with changing to pal video. You should buy a scandoubler. You don't have to change to pal video manually. There is another solution to play old games: WHDload. You can install the game on your hard drive and you don't have to disable your caches manually. You can find it at www.whdload.de and at www.Aminet.net. What sort of games do you like? If you like 3D-shooters, you can run this on your Amiga: Doom, Alien Breed 3d2 -The Killing grounds and Genetic Species. The best 3D shooter i ever played was Genetic Species. You can download it from aminet or buy Aminet 44.
:-D
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I am using WHDLoad. I have about 30 games installed on my HD, most are WHDLoad configured. And most of the ones I enjoy most require rebooting for PAL or still require disabling cache. The other issue that I'm bored of the games I have. I've not yet found one that I really look forward to play again.
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Yeah, but console games were 50$ in the 90s too as I recall. atleast Pc games sure were. Don't know about 80s but there was more competition back then, 30$s I think...
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Hooligan_DCS: The controls in PC version are even more worse than on Porsche Unleashed, which I find has the most ridiculous controls ever.
Hey! Porsche Unleashed is the best arcade racer ever, and that's a real compliment coming from a NASCAR Racing 2003 freak! Especially since I found a hack to get it running perfectly under Win2K and have been playing it non-stop all week. ;-)
Every other NFS title is crap.
[XBox anything...]
My big beef with XBox is that the most titles I've seen don't really take full advantage of the hardware. Even though XBox had a hard drive, for example, games seem to load much, much slower than they do on the PS2. Also, as harsh as I am on PS2 for reliability, XBox takes the cake for breakdowns. I've almost never seen a working one in stores, and I've seen the green screen of death way too often ("Your XBox requires service"...)
Jeffimix: Yeah, but console games were 50$ in the 90s too as I recall. atleast Pc games sure were. Don't know about 80s but there was more competition back then, 30$s I think...
When Playstation was released, I was hard pressed to find any games less than $70. It wasn't until a year after I bought mine (in my area) before prices started to fall. Needless to say, my Playstation collection was very small for a while.
Meanwhile, most PC and Amiga titles I bought in the late 80's/early 90's were about $35. Adjusted for inflation, game prices have "fallen" quite a bit. It was a real shock to see "Red Baron" selling for $80 in the late 80's, but other than that, I've never thought that games were too expensive.
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Later I'll either get a better A1200 when they're cheaper, or get an A1 with OS4 if it ever exists.
Or a Pegasos? :-D
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Oh yeah forgot to mention to everyone that I stil lhave an Amiga 500 and an Amiga 2000. Was thinking about upgrading maybe the 500 with a HD so I can play most of the same games anyway.
Anyone know if I can run the latest IBrowse or OS3.9 on the 500?
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Did OS3.9 require a 68020 CPU as minimum? I forget. And to run IBrowse you would need an 020 or 030 CPU and some ram, probably 16MB.
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Well, I decided to sell my Amiga 1200...
Basically I use Amiga and Commodore units for nostalgia/retro computing reasons. I've come to the conclusion that the Amiga 500 is actually a better nostalgia piece then the Amiga 1200. The reason being is that the Amiga 500, when it was new, was ahead of it's time. It was an amazing piece of hardware in it's time. However, when the Amiga 1200 came out, it was already kind of just "average" or maybe even a little behind. In otherwords, I expected more out of the Amiga 1200, because I wanted it to live up to the Amiga name.
In any case, I still have a fondness for Amiga, as well as Commodore 64 computers and still have an A500 and an A2000. But this A1200 is going away for a PS2...
Here is the link for the A1200 on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3408958768&category=4598
Thanks,
Neofree